It has begun. The destruction of the jacket man. The end of red and green colours. With the introduction of the blue colour we can finally see GPU full colour! Choose your fighter, jacket man, GPU/CPU always in second place lady or “wow this guy is a bad driver” man.
$649 is $50 cheaper than other retailers right now. here for $699
AV1 encoding apparently on par with 4090. But graphics worse than 6600XT.
Fight it out in the comments for which colour you choose.
Nvidia is already earth bound though, prices have been jacked up because
A) Inflation
B) Cost of R&D, Production, Silicone etc
C) Nvidia is a public company and is beholden to its shareholders so they are legally obligated to increase profits year over year ( See fiduciary responsibility )
D) AMD isn't a strong enough competitor ( See GPU market share )
E) 90% of Nvidia profits come from GPU sales
@StarboardDrifting: Nope.
The main reason NVIDIA prices are high is:
F) Enough people are still buying at these insanely high prices
Mostly because some folks have gotten used to the crazy high prices (3 to 5 times higher) during the worst GPU shortage ever, and feel double price is a bargain (or are new to PC gaming and don't realise).
I mostly concur with Intel development roadmaps being what they are.
Still, whippings where they're due, it's Intel and they're still getting the beating they're owed for stagnating for a decade.
Agree. Happy for miners & scalpers to take the entire lot of this 1st gen, you would imagine 2nd and 3rd gens might be worth buying once the teething issues are ironed out
LOL, whatever happened to INTEL pricing these at thier current DX11 performance level as promised. Instead, they priced is closer to 3070 in Australia :D Good luck bringing nvidia down at these prices. Infact, they are hinting nvidia to up thier prices.
yep, this is not a 3070,
new 3060 and RX6600 is much cheaper for same performance,
I would be a lot more willing to overlook the shoddy software if they provided a decent price/perf. But at this price the a770 is competing with the 6700xt, so unless all you do is play raytraced games you'll be far better off going with them.
Even if you just want to support an underdog, according to the last steam hardware survey Nvidia is had an overwhelming share of GPUs (the 3080 alone had a higher share then the 6000 series)
I mean, I'd argue AMD never redeemed themselves in the GPU space hence the 4090 price… I haven't looked at or considered a red team GPU since the switch from ATI nor has anyone else I know. They're behind in every feature, hell they're even behind intel in raytracing/ai and Intel just started… But as for your actual point, I agree. Hopefully Intel sticks with it and does brings performance gains down the line.
So gonna throw this out there to those who may not remember the old days when there were more graphics manufacturers….
Intel used to sell graphics cards on their own and they were terrible, don't believe me look up the intel i740, intel's last attempt at a standalone gpu.
It could do some games but it was mediocre at best. Instead of learning from the competition and gettting better, intel went to just manufacture onboard graphics, which again, no striving for anything or learning from the competition, it was just meh theres graphics.
To this day when you see laptops and desktops sold with "intel graphics" it's not a sign of quality or anything good to come, IRIS and XE aren't that impressive nor are they value for money.
I'm not a nvidia or amd fanboy on this, just warning people that like google intel have a habit of trying things, doing a very mediocre job despite hiring on excellent people for projects (they got one of nvidia's former engineers on this) and apart from the video encoder and it's really got not much to offer.
That also being said as well, a lot of nvidia's poor practices such as locking out the video encoder, driver restrictions and price gouging can easily be fixed, where a lot of what intel isn't doing here to make these cards good can't really be fixed, so just be warned, team Blue aren't really going to be pushing any envelopes here.
Loved my Matrox, Number 9, Diamond Stealth Pro w/2MB upgrade…
My 3dfx Banshee is sitting in a glass display cabinet.
Baby steps. Nvidia took many years to overtake VoodooFX even with better hardware.
had a i740 - never buying intel again after being abandoned. Long memory :)
You've sent me down an absolute rabbit hole reading about the i740 now!
I still have memories of a mate who got it as a hand me down back in the day was still rocking it because we were all poor kids.
I remember him begging me to burn him a copy of unreal tournament 2003 which had just leaked and took forever to download all 3 discs on dialup, i'm there wondering how my Geforce 2 mx is going to run the thing, and heres my mate with his pentium II 333 and intel 740, with a 20gb hard drive telling me he's prepared to blow 3x cdr's in the glimmer of hope he can get it running.
Next day at school he's bragging to everyone that he's playing UT2k3… end up at his house after school thinking he's talking shit, walking home he's telling me how he pretty much had to delete so much stuff and put his mp3's on cdrw's to save space, but it's all woth it because the game is running.
After what feels like forever of it loading, he proceeds to run it, in freaking low resolution, everything on low (we're talking even low by early 2000's standards), about 15-20 fps and low and behold he's playing ut2k3 (technically).
I might sound like im praising this card here, but i'm really not, that card was a heap of crap. It even struggled with unreal tournament 1 and rogue squadron.
If you look back 25 years there are plenty of examples of shitty cards by both AMD, Nvidia and others.
Remember MOHAA struggling to run on a Riva TNT… yet it could run on a 3dfx voodoo 2
It's a good first effort, but it will take time. Hopefully they stick it out because more competition is a good thing.
But at these prices… HODL is (sort of) back!
i'd love to see them bringing nvidia back to earth instead of their galactic space high horse.
It's a similar thing with sony and microsoft, everytime one of them is dominating, they get shittier and shittier with their innovations and customer services.
When they have to actually fight for the consumer things seem to improve.
HODL doesn't end until GPU prices are back to where they would have been without the GPU crisis.
We're almost there, maybe only about double reasonable prices now (with some exceptions).
Have an upvote.. because I think it’s the start of interesting developments.
Definitely may lead to more interesting virtualisation, better integrated graphics from Intel and in another year or two, they’ll perform better against discrete cards in the mid range
Almost a two year delay, but that's COVIDs fault. What was to be a card that could take it to the high end market is now positioned as a mid range card.
The power/performance ratio isn't there and the drivers are far from optimal.
Hopefully Battlemage changes all of that.
Almost a two year delay, but that's COVIDs fault.
COVID is only partly responsible for the delay, it's mainly due to Intel's driver team(s) being unable to get anything stable and working properly. That should really be no shock to anyone that's used Intel products other than CPU's though, their drivers always suck
Spent a bit more and get the 6950 posted earlier
What a pity they couldn't release these during the crypto craze. They could have charged double and still sold out in minutes.
Should I buy it just to support Intel in this?
No. They'll sell enough to keep going, and if not, prices will fall. They may even hit a point where they represent OK value for money.
These will be sold out. Only 4 mils produced and there are more fainbois than that. I dont see them producing more cards at this point as nvidia and amd inventory is already high. The first batches are probably released to improve driver support.
Yes, poor indie startup Intel needs all the charity it can get.
I assume you wouldn't be buying it to actually use it since it's so broken right now.
If you have a spare $650 and like Intel / hope they'll pull through, why not spend that $649 on Intel shares instead?
INTC looks pretty cheap right now.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intc+stock+price
More expensive than I had anticipated.
I do not care about brand. I just want good value.
I bought an RX 6800 for $20 more than this price a few months ago. So this pricing isn't that sharp. $400 ~ $450 would be more appropriate. BUT, while an RX6800 would stomp this card at raster at 1080p and it wouldn't even be close, supposedly at 4K with Raytracing enabled, this card will trade blows with the RX6800.
Wonder if it's time to upgrade from my GTX 970…
If you watch the Gamer's Nexus reviews they talk a lot about how the drivers are broken; if you buy one, you're likely to have to do a lot of tinkering to get it to work right.
Much better off going with AMD/Nvidia unless Intel drops the price to below the competition.
Yeah honestly if I was to upgrade it would probably be to whatever the GTX 4060 would be
Will consider this for $399 at most and a750 for $299.
For this price you can get a 3070 or 3070 ti used these days
I believe you can also score a copy of Modern Warfare 2 with the purchase of an ARC GPU as well and maybe some software. Not sure if Australia is getting some love but seems to be a thing in the USA.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (valued at $70), but there's also Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed (valued at $40), Gotham Knights (valued at $60) and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodhunt (valued at $20).
On the software side there's, even more, to be given away, with PowerDirector 365 (valued at $70), D5 Render (subscription value $114), MAGIX Video Pro X14 (subscription value $60), Topaz Gigapixel AI (valued at $100), and XSplit Premium Suit (valued at $60).
Limitations: you'll only be able to choose three of the five software titles, but you'll get all of the games. Intel kicked off its new Software Advantage program on August 25, and will run it until December 31, 2022. Intel will let consumers claim their codes and get their free games + software by January 2023.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88326/intel-arc-gpus-include-…
$240 USD that a few weeks ago, knowing that I wouldn't pay any more then $500 AUD
If AMD represents team Red, nVidia team Green and Intel team Blue, I wonder who is big enough to represent team White? Once we get a fourth competitor, we'll finally get a full RGBW spectrum LOL :D
White is Apple? except it has to be RGB_______W since they keep their distance from the Red, Green & Blue teams.
Interesting possibility considering Apple already have their own M1 processors. But knowing Apple, their GPUs will only have drivers for their Mac OS, so it won't be a proper competition. LOL. I remember Matrox used to do video cards. They could be an interesting contender. Or 3DFX if they get revived. LOL
These should have come in at a more aggressive price if they want to compete with the established GPU manufacturers. Most I'd pay is $500.
I've got a 4090. No thanks.
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You'll make it, povertybrah.
yealad
Intel, welcome to the GPU market!
this card seems pretty legit, especially when it comes down a little more. competition good either way.
only weakness really, seems to be older games & dx11 support, for which its emulating drivers or wrappering, or whatever its doing, and getting poor performance… from what ive read sounds more like a driver support maturity problem, in that its a software problem which may potentially sort itself out? when better support for older directx comes out? if thats right, or how likely that support is to come, i dunno?
Intel had to suspend their Russian operations and relocate employees who where ok with moving to countries where Intel could actually pay them.
The shader compiler and related key performance pieces are (were) developed in Russia.
bug770
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA $650 for 3060ti performance and terrible drivers
Somebody please release something decent in the low profile single slot category… Those of us with tiny cases are stuck with such rubbish options
Intel's first gfx card…almost worth buying and keeping in box.
it's not. It's intel's first attempt in a while, their lineup in the 90's sucked and got abandoned like these likely will be.
:(
not first, they had a discrete card in Voodoo days, can't remember the model though
Let's hope their next gen is more competitive, if they get there
Good to see it here. Probably need a more aggressive pricing to compete with the market.
I am glad intel join GPU market, hopefully more competition, better for customers. But at this price, it is quite hard to recommended this over $500 6600xt.
this is heinously overpriced. but hey, competition, i guess…
Buying a new card in 2022 that gets gapped by a 2060 to own the Nvidia and AMD libs.
I was only interested in the A380 for encoding.
Thanks. I hate it
Anyone know if any Australian retailers are selling the Intel Arc A380?
Buy a used 3070 or 3060ti
A bargain?
So it performs like a RTX 3060, on a good day, but has extremely bad drivers and is nearly 2x the going price?
No thanks Intel, maybe next time, I'm not going to be your beta tester, sorry.
Not at that price, only a good would buy
Good to see a 3rd players on the market, but I'm not going to buy it for this price, also drivers and features are still lacking, AV1 is nice though. Give Intel some time to catch up.
Too expensive for AV1 encoder
Value wise the 4090 is better value compared to this.
Says it all.
Whats the positives to a card like this? I don't game (maybe play 10 year old steam classics) but I want 4 monitor output (3x 144p, 1x 4K).
My selection criterion is the lowest noise and temperatures possible with stock fans
I stream video content to the 4K display.
Is this card for me or are there better alternatives?
At the moment I think you should definitely be focusing on an Nvidia card, NVENC is supported by everything. Look for a 3060 or 3060ti with 3 fans, I prefer the ti as you usually get much better performance per $, it's actually an underclocked and cut down 3070 (and performs very close to one) rather than an overclocked 3060 like the name would suggest. The ti should have better ports but this varies by brand and model
If you aren't gaming power consumption isn't going to be high, whatever you choose.
Thanks for the reply. I’m still using an EVGA GTX 670 to achieve the above but I’m displaying 1080p on the 4K screen (my TV).
With DVI to HDMI adapters this is fine for now but it’s a 10yr old PC so I’m expecting it to die at some point. The CPU has a passive heat sink and I only have two 120mm case fans for cooling that are set up in a push pull config. That’s why I was biased towards this card because I like the way it exhausts the heat straight out the back though the small fan on the GPU is the only audible part of the system besides the hard drives.
What CPU and what passive heat sink?
Blower design coolers usually are louder, and less efficient at cooling. I would suggest reading some reviews before you pick something if noise is important. For low noise you want fans as large as possible, running at low rpm
Arctic make excellent low noise fans that aren't expensive, a couple of 140mm case fans will solve all your airflow problems. E.g.https://www.pccasegear.com/products/53193/arctic-p14-140mm-pressure-optimised-silent-fan
I would also suggest a noctua D15 air cooler for your next CPU (or similar) NOT an AIO, they create more noise generally, and the noise is produced outside the case where you can hear it the most. You can use 140mm fans at 800rpm, should be basically silent
@greatlamp: I lied! I use to have just a dual fan setup but I recased it and connected up the additional fans 2 years ago. I might have them dialed down. I did on the last case.
The CPU is an i7-3770 (non K model stock speeds) and the cooler is a Thermalright HR-02. They still make passive coolers for lowish TDP CPUs like the Noctua NH-P1. They do run a little hot but for productivity they are fine.
Seriously this was the best system I ever built. Passive seasonic PSU too so it's barely audible. It tripple boots MacOS, Linux and Windows. I didn't set up bluetooth/wifi on it though so no airdrop on MacOS.
Thanks for the advice on the cooler and fans. The D15 looks solid. Noctua fans are quality. A lot has changed in 10 years. Things much more thoroughly reviewed nowadays too (i.e. thermals, noise etc.)
reminds me of the i740 days..
Been keeping any eye on the development of this card but after watch some reviews on this. I gather that the buggy drivers still need time to mature before I'd be interested. Especially if your a gamer and looking at buying this card.
Terrible product, AMD and NVIDIA's prices are justified by a reliable driver support for their GPUs for many years after the product is no longer for sale. Intel need to prove themselves before they can justify a price like this.
AMD
reliable driver
hmmmm
AMD is no longer the ugly sister
Is it sli capable or what ever it's called on arc… I'll call it Archi.
Overpriced for what it is, but nice to see them finally enter the market even if it is a bit meh! Perhaps in a year or two they will be a decent 3rd option
6700xt is cheaper, much faster, consuming less energy, better driver. Intel should fix their price before anything else, but still welcome intel join GPU market.
Not a deal.
Not funny. Stop trying so hard OP.
If these came out with the current driver support a year ago. I think they would have been able to get a foot hold but right now it will be a fair bit harder for them
If these came out with the current driver support a year ago. I think they would have been able to get a foot hold but right now it will be a fair bit harder for them
OOS
Unfortunately this isn’t really a deal, while there are very specific use cases where it shines it’s genuinely horrible for the average consumer who’s simply looking for a GPU to purchase. Try to convince them that it’s all good because of AV1 encoding when their DX9 games crash.
While I love competition, I hate getting uninformed consumers onto some Gen 1 product.
another 10/10 caption from checkingthisout
What would a decent price be for a 24GB GPU?
So tempting.
Question is: Do you buy into omni-verse, and see what amd and intel create when people go bat@#@ crazy for rtx in old school games.
To be fair Nvidia wants you to buy into the Omni verse creating a situation like Microsofts backwards compatibility and gamepass, or how epic tries to give free games away to compete.
Once the 5000 series cards come out omni-verse will have people protecting it.
How is this a deal? This is basically rx6800 price but has buggy drivers and gets beaten by the 6600xt and 3070. Also, Intel's drivers haven't improved in years.
This is still a broken card due to drivers.
6600xt on special are way better value.
Who in their right mind would pay anywhere near $649-$699 for this.
I wouldn't even pay $300 for it when it's possible to get sales on 6600xt for $350-$400.
So how many of you actually use AV1 encoding at the 4090 level?
I do value the 3rd team competition though but the price completely takes the p!ss.
overpriced. this card is barley a 3060 performance for a 3070 price.
Been following the Intel dGPU development for years and was hoping to buy it after all this time! Just to be disappointed at the performance but thought okay midrange still fine… but now shocked and disappointed at the pricing… better off getting an AMD or Nvidia card at this price! :(
HODL
at this point it's more than a shake, your looking at nvidia needing to be brought back to earth and someone to hide the coccaine, and amd needs to successfully get it's gpu department through rehab.