[VIC] Solar Package 10.375kW: Longi Solar, Goodwe 8.5kW Inverter - $5990 ($4590 Upfront) @ Marshall Energy Solutions

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  Rumbaar on 09/10/2022 - 14:35

  One thing most solar installers fail to tell buyers, specially those looking for a future battery installation, is that you can only claim the rebate once. For which the solar PV rebate is $1400 and the battery is around $3000 (was $3500). So if you claim the panel rebate you cannot claim the battery one, and you can potentially loose out on a larger more useful rebate.

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    bobzor on 09/10/2022 - 14:45

    +2

    But the battery doesn't pay for itself, whereas the panels do.

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      drprox on 09/10/2022 - 18:55

      Yep and the batteries should (must) get cheaper

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    chickenchipsgravy on 09/10/2022 - 15:00

    -3

    Who even qualifies anyway, most household incomes would far exceed the criteria. It’s a poorly created govco initiative.

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      Manny Calavera on 09/10/2022 - 15:19

      +5

      Dude, $180k covers like 80% of households.

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      freefall101 on 09/10/2022 - 15:50

      +6

      Won't someone think of the poor families on $200k a year who want a government handout?

      Median household income in Vic is $90k.

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        chickenchipsgravy on 09/10/2022 - 16:04

        -3

        Exactly, you guys get it — those with limited means are paying thousands to save a few bucks on their energy bills. Much better initiative is to support those households with education subsidies to raise quality of living and reduce living pressures.

        Instead the heaviest polluters, those big bad rich households, don’t bother reducing their emissions because rising energy costs, comparatively are minimal, they can afford their energy bills and also likely they’re distracted by interest rate increases.

        Low incomes suffer, middle incomes do nothing and high incomes already have 7* energy rated new builds anyway.

        Chairman Dan, what a guy.

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          freefall101 on 09/10/2022 - 16:13

          +3

          @chickenchipsgravy: We already support those households with education subsidies. Free education the whole way through, then go get a free nursing degree if they want. Plus we can't have a society of highly educated people that reduces living pressures. It would massively increase living pressures. If everyone is a doctor, who's going to install all these solar panels?

          The rest of this is atrocious too. First you argue rich households don't bother reducing their emissions and don't care about cost, then you claim they have 7* energy rated builds and need a handout to switch to solar. And this totally ignores the power that's not used goes back into the grid anyway to replace coal so it doesn't matter who is generating it, green power is green power.

          Solar is already cheaper than staying on the grid, if someone is worried about cost and has the spare cash then they should have already installed it without the government helping. If they're not worried about cost then how does a handout work?

          All that education and salary and not even a basic grasp that the government isn't there to look after your self interest, but to get as much solar as possible for the minimal cost and giving rich people a handout doesn't do that. Chairman Dan, applying basic economics in a sensible manner. You've convinced me to vote for him, if the other guys will give out handouts to the rich.

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            chickenchipsgravy on 09/10/2022 - 16:47

            -1

            @freefall101: Exactly, you’re all over it too — I love OzB, everyone gets it !!

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              Nom on 09/10/2022 - 18:39

              @chickenchipsgravy: So you agree that's it's NOT "a poorly created initiative" then ?

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                chickenchipsgravy on 01/11/2022 - 08:27

                @Nom: no, I believe my point is relevant — you can buy a Tesla vehicle and receive $3K rebate without income restrictions but to create a sustainable way of living with solar hot water/panels/batteries I'm subject to income tests and other qualification criteria — this scheme is managed by the same VicGov agency, so it's a sham.

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        itshammer on 09/10/2022 - 19:30

        +2

        A 180k household with 3 kids under 5, both working.

        90k in childcare

        45k back

        A mortgage of 750k, now with interest repayments of 37k + principal of 13k.

        So they have 140k after tax, after the childcare and mortgage they have just over $1k week to pay for cars, health, food and other bs.

        Don't act like 180k is a lot, this country cost of living is a joke. How anyone survives is beyond me

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          Nom on 09/10/2022 - 20:21

          @itshammer: Well those giant childcare fees stop when the kids start school - you just have to make it past those 4 years 😁

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  Gowrie29 on 09/10/2022 - 15:46

  What have you got for 6.6kW?

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    AssociatedAndySolar @ Marshall Energy Solutions on 10/10/2022 - 10:22

    +1

    6.64kW Solar Package

    16 x 415w LONGi LR5-54HPH-415M
    1 x 5kw Sungrow Inverter SG5K-D,

    Price after the rebates: $3590
    SolarVIC interest-free loan: -$1400 ($29 per month, direct debit)

    Upfront deposit: $2190

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      Salvationk on 03/11/2022 - 19:56

      Can i get this offer in NSW?

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  HunterBargainHunter on 09/10/2022 - 16:38

  +2

  Also based on your electricity distributor, you may have a capped export of 5kW. So even if you generate the full 8.5kW you would have to use 3.5kW to get full utilisation.
  Also check where to put the inverter because I’ve seen a lot of poorly advised people put it outside mostly in the sun

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    chickenchipsgravy on 09/10/2022 - 16:53

    Excellent point

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    bobzor on 09/10/2022 - 19:21

    These guys seem good, they even do inverter awnings installs

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    Fapprehend on 09/10/2022 - 21:25

    My distributor is Jemena, however i cant seem to locate this info, just broad statements saying typically vic us 5kw.

    Would this be something i need to contact them gl find out?

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      HunterBargainHunter on 09/10/2022 - 22:03

      Yes, they should be able to tell you based on nmi/meter number

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  bobzor on 09/10/2022 - 19:09

  +2

  Hey Andy, on your website it says:

  As per the latest estimates, almost 30 million home roofs in Australia are now installed with residential solar solutions, which is equivalent to one in every four households being dependent on solar energy.

  There's only like 26m people, do we really have 30m homes?

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    bobzor on 09/10/2022 - 19:10

    ..wait, 1 in 4. 120m homes xD ?

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      Royale with cheese on 09/10/2022 - 23:33

      We are serious about housing

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  Squirmy Squid on 09/10/2022 - 19:47

  Is there a deal that includes a battery package?

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    AssociatedAndySolar @ Marshall Energy Solutions on 10/10/2022 - 10:25

    Yes, please email us your details at [email protected], and our staff will reach out to you.

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      Squirmy Squid on 10/10/2022 - 10:29

      Sent.

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        Squirmy Squid on 10/10/2022 - 18:41

        For anyone interested, here is the response:
        Solar proposal:
        Panels: 16 x 415w LONGi Solar - LONGi is one of the world's largest panel manufacturers & our favorite tier-1 product, with a solid 25-year warranty

        Inverter: 1 x 5kw GoodWe - Goodwe manufactures one of the best & efficient residential inverters across the globe with an in-built monitoring system

        Battery: 1 x 5.4kw GoodWe - Specially designed for residentials, very safe & reliable to use. This system allows you to add 6 battery packs & comes with a 10-year warranty

        Total system cost: $14,950.00*

        STC incentives deduction: -$2660.00

        SolarVic battery rebate: -$2950.00

        Balance to pay: $9340.00

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          od810 on 17/10/2022 - 21:32

          @Squirmy Squid: If you don't mind lock in with Origin, their virtual power plan is quite decent. I had my solar installed 2 years ago with 5.3kw solar + 9.8kwh LG chem + sungrow sh5k30 for 9.1k without any rebate (no vic battery nor solar rebate because i already had existing system).

          I think the price of their system has been increased but you should get cheaper than 9k with battery rebate.

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  aussman on 09/10/2022 - 21:11

  What’s the normal cost
  Or is this ozadvertising as you mentioned your previous ad?

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    AssociatedAndySolar @ Marshall Energy Solutions on 10/10/2022 - 10:29

    The usual upfront cost for a 10.375kw system after the rebates and the loan from SolarVic is $4990!!

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      aussman on 10/10/2022 - 11:24

      listing loans etc is a bit disingenuous just list the total cost to the customer - and the conditions of the rebate ie income requirements etc
      I'm sure the ACCC require total consumer cost to be listed

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        bobzor on 12/10/2022 - 16:29

        He already did that in the op

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          aussman on 14/10/2022 - 16:29

          @bobzor: no I asked how this was a discount and not an ad/spam

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  beach bum on 10/10/2022 - 10:38

  Wouldn't you be better off using higher watt panels per metre of your roof space , and double sided ones too?

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    bobzor on 12/10/2022 - 16:30

    Yes.
    I have asked a bunch of installers and none have bi-directional yet.
    And highest wattage I found was 460w.

    But it's the same game as always, technology increases all the time so the longer you wait the less you save. But juxtaposition to that is with the new tech the longer you wait is also the more you save.

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      skysurfer on 13/10/2022 - 22:27

      Bifacial panels are only used in situations where there is light coming from behind the panel in addition to in front. For example when used as a shopping centre car park awning where they are high up and receive reflected light on the underside. They're no use on a house roof 15 cm above the roof, all sides butted together and the undersides in the dark.

      Technology hasn't changed much at all and is unlikely to anytime soon. Panel efficiency, or watts per unit of panel area, has barely increased over the last 10 years and there is no indication that will change in the next ten years. Don't mistake higher wattage panels as advancements they are just larger panels taking up the same area per Watt as the smaller ones. Inverters still do the same job they have always done too.

      The only thing that's rapidly evolved is the monitoring user interface which is nice but makes no difference to the actual system performance.

      In the case of solar, waiting won't get you a system that produces more electricity, with producing electricity being the fundamental goal of a solar system. In fact with supply chain issues and record inflation it's likely waiting at this time could see you lose time you could be saving on your power bills AND pay more for the system when you eventually buy it.

      I help people navigate the solar minefield with unbiased advice and reliable information, if you're interested I have a 5 minute video explaining this on my website https://whichsolar.net.au All the best with your solar journey.

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        bobzor on 14/10/2022 - 07:41

        ad?

        There's 700w+ panels now
        You can also ground mount, don't have to be on the roof.
        And technology wise inverted pyramid lenses (AGILE) will massively improve efficiency.

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          Nom on 14/10/2022 - 20:31

          @bobzor: Bob, an average roof is already big enough to host enough solar panels to power that home.

          There's nothing to gain from a 700w panel option, unless you have limited roof space.

          Efficiency is already good enough to go ahead right now.

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    Nom on 14/10/2022 - 20:34

    Only if your roof isn't big enough to host enough panels to cover your usage.
    For the majority of homes, this isn't the case - existing panel wattages are "good enough".

    Don't forget that feed in tariffs are now close to zero and at least here in Vic there's a 5KW export limit anyway - so there's no point getting a system that's way bigger than your usage…

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      beach bum on 14/10/2022 - 21:24

      What about all the sub-optimal days like winter or when it's cloudy or even in the mornings or afternoons when you use the most power.
      There are many reasons why you could need a bigger array and inverter , including having a battery bank for nightime use or during a blackout , charging electric vehicles , or just not having to pay extra for (Rising) electricity costs when a small set up doesn't meet your present or future needs.
      Maybe you like to buy cheap and inefficient appliances from aldi.
      This maybe some offset against loosing a small amount in the middle of summer.

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        Nom on 14/10/2022 - 22:16

        You don't spec your solar system to provide the most possible output even on cloudy/winter days - that's not how the economics stack up.

        Size the system to cover the average annual sun in your particular area - your installers already do this when they design you a package. Yes it will produce more in summer than winter.

        Again, if you don't already have solar, it's good enough right now - you don't need to wait for future improvements 👍You can start banking the savings right now.

        And definitely don't buy a small setup that doesn't meet your present or future needs - there's no need to compromise unless you have a limited roof, as already mentioned.

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          beach bum on 22/10/2022 - 20:21

          @Nom: You are of course correct, in that you are repeating the sales pitch verbatim , if you were to calculate over 20years the savings vs cost ,
          but yea my comment was based on experience with smaller set ups than this.
          Probably fine for TAS/VIC , but I think there's money left on the table if you go too small in sunnyr states .
          There's a local battery co. In Darra bris that does home battery banks starting at $3500.
          I think you could buy fair few lithium deep cycle without the middle men and have a workable system to run fridge , tv , ect at night.