Cheaper than PLE if you account for postage cost(at least for me).
Would be good for anyone using gift cards.
On backorder until who knows when.
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Raptor Lake isn't far away, and looks promising
Intel's own slides didn't really show any great gaming gains though compared to existing 12900k and the 5800X3D.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with…
12700k even
Not sure where you been…. 12th Gen Intel is fantastic and 13th looks even better.
Ryzen 5000 series got pricey cause they could (thanks to the poor 11th Gen Intel), and expected, 7000 series is very underwhelming, particularly with compulsory DDR5.
7000 isnt underwhelming, it's only due to the compulsory expensive upgrades, had it been on AM4 it wouldve been the greatest single gen IPC gain in some time.
Yes it is underwhelming. Compulsory DDR5 only. As you said. And the 5800x3d still more than holds its own. Pricing too… I'll stand by that.
You also contradicted yourself saying if it is in the same platform…. It's not.
12th Gen Intel gave DDR4 options.
Power usage, big deal. I don't leave my PC on 24/7 running benchmarks.
it is underwhelming, 7600x is almost double the frequent sale price of 5600 for ~20% more fps.
@xrailgun: looking at the reviews, the 7600x is rubbish value proposition.
while the 79xx are suitable for people needing that grunt.
overall amd shot themselves in the foot for creating a product so good with the 5000 series that it made it harder to top that range. add on top the AM5 requirements, it becomes expensive quick.
with the supply shortages etc etc, don't expect prices to go lower by heaps.
it's underwhelming for people who only build gaming rigs, they have the recent 3D chips anyway.
performance wise, i don't think the top end 7000s are underwhelming, not so much value per compute, but hardly something i'd describe as underwhelming.
Yea not sure where the underwhelming part is coming from…significant gains in both gaming (excl. the 5800X3D) and productivity (eg. 7700X is almost 30% faster than the 5900X in Photoshop benchmark from HUB) in one generation leap not sure how much more you're expecting.
Ridiculous prices on the motherboards though that we can all agree.
B650 boards will be released this week and prices look similar to launch prices of B550, so I'd just wait.
I picked up a ryzen 5600 for $230 to replace a 1600af and sold the 1600 for $100 so got solid gains on that.
Its not all bad for AMD, I wouldn't jump on the AM5 platform yet as price on those chips also has room to fall
@Dunnomuch: Truly hope so. It's crazy the price of (for example) the ASUS X670-E Gaming is double the price of the X570-E Gaming that I paid for at launch.
I too am not in a hurry to upgrade to the 7000 series especially since I don't feel the need to chase absolute cutting edge these days…actually looking at the 5900X as a budget friendly but significant upgrade to my 3700X (I do photo editing and one software I use for astrophotography actually was coded properly to take advantage of however many cores and ram you can throw at it).
You even said it yourself. If you are gaming, you keep the 5800x3d. You don't upgrade to the 7000 series with expensive boards and memory.
You guys are saying I'm wrong, but saying, let's all ignore the bad things about 7000 series….
Non gaming related benchmarks are for the absolute niche. I've never met anyone that's primary use of a PC requires 5950 level systems. Gaming is by far and away the dominant high end use.
@scuderiarmani: you've never met doesn't mean there isn't.
the x950 series are a good budget chip to jump into before TR series.
@slowmo: Agreed, they are.
But overwhelmingly the majority of people are buying these chips for gaming, running at higher resolutions and completely wasting their money….
12400 and 5800x3d are for me the 2 best options, budget and higher budget going around. I wouldn't be the only person who shares that opinion.
@scuderiarmani: i would go further to say that 5800x3d is the only option if you are gaming.
it also largely depends on what platform do you have now or building new.
personally i'd avoid intel chips at the moment and see what's the upcoming releases looks like.
edit:, i removed the intel comment, as i was thinking about the 12900k series which tops out at 241w the excess energy could be used for the gpu instead
@slowmo: 12400 at low end is exceptional value, and is all you need at high resolution which many would prefer too. Particularly if not interested in competitive online shooters and the like. Given I use a 49 Ultrawide, there's zero reason for me to get high end chips now, I've realised my mistakes in the past.
Otherwise, 5800x3d for competitive, especially at 1080p.
wait what?
compulsory DDR5 is bad, while compulsory 125W-241W is acceptable?
I tune my 2700x to run at <18W at 2.2Ghz temp 33'C, how is that not acceptable? compare with this cpu of 35% gain, not seeing the benefit of upgrade.
@dlovep: ikr, i mean at this point majority of intel chips are drawing huge amounts of power to play catch up.
we should have a power:compute ratio for the industry because peak 241W for just the CPU is just overclocking in my mind.
up-voting because I recently bought INTC shares
To be fair we are only just exiting a multi year period where global supply chain shortages have been jacking up the prices of all tech. So AMD would want to prioritise their moneymaker top end chips over mid/low range whilst production lines are limited.
Before we had AMD Ryzen, we had 6 years of stagnation from Intel (between Core 2nd gen and 8th gen) where performance barely shifted between generations and core counts stayed the same, yet for some reason each generation demanded a whole new chipset. And there were no global shortages or pandemics to speak of - it's telling that once Ryzen became a threat, Intel suddenly and miraculously found a way to up their core counts without jacking up their prices.
I'm not excusing AMD's behaviour entirely and more competition is always great for the consumer! But they are still nowhere near as bad as Intel was when Intel was top dog.
I agree, and Intel to match price/performance are apparently squeezing retailers margins and ability to discount moving forward.
After 30 series nVidia products I'm wary od mrsp anyway.
Somehow I still feel like Nvidia did it worse. (to a more extreme level than AMD)
To be fair we are only just exiting a multi year period where global supply chain shortages have been jacking up the prices of all tech.
DRAM, CPUs and mobos were the cheapest they've ever been. It was only GPUs and to a much lesser extent PSUs that were inflated, thanks to ETH mining.
They have but this thing absolutely blows every other CPU out of the water in performance in gaming. This is their top performer.
While I agree with you that AMD is taking advantage of the situation and having increased prices, the thing is that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is far from mid-end. The extra cache on the CPU itself is lending itself to some really impressive performance results in both games and productivity uses!! Of course the usage case does matter a lot with the performance bonus though but have a look at some benchmarks for code compiling, 7zip, CPU bound games, and GPU bound games. The 5800X3D trades blows with the high end CPUs from both AMD and Intel - in some specific use cases even surpasses the high end CPUs by 10-15% performance improvement. It's pretty exciting to see both CPU manufacturers trying out different things to get a competitive advantage!
Cant say worse. Its a new CPU thats as good or if not better than Intel with lot lower consumption. Newer platform thats gonna last. Say you buy a 7700X and in 2026 you buy a 10700X or whatever, that will last another 4 years giving you a total of 7 to 8 years of very good service. Its definitely good value. Sure it will be expensive if you buy now. But if you wait and buy it once B650 mobos are out, there is no better value.
If Intel would have provided similar features instead of releasing a 13900K with no upgradability path, then Intel would have charged much more premium. The key is to wait for 3+ months after new tech comes out for prices to normalise.
I paid $649 delivered at release, so don't think this is much of a deal. The CPU itself is very good and no regrets purchasing it. Upgraded from a 3600X and the boost in framerate was more impressive than expected. Overall, recommend the CPU, but prices could be better.
prices could be better but i'm not surprised considering it's the fastest gaming cpu for many ddr4 users.
AMD gimped the 7000 series by not including the 3D Vcache tech on all models from the get go. It’s not like it’s a new feature or a very expensive implementation, that tech is a generation old. Basically they did this so they can charge a premium and add additional ‘higher’ spec models of the same CPU’s further down the line. We need Intel to step up with 13th Gen or else this ‘Apple’ way of releasing gimped products would become the norm with higher and higher prices while removing low-mid end models completely and releasing ‘plus’ models with ‘full phat’ features and charge even more money on the same performance tier of the prev generation.
3D cache slightly reduces the productivity performance of the CPU due to thermal throttling of peak clocks. They need to remain separate product lines for different users.
Having the 3D Vcache causes more heat and reduces how fast they can run. This results in them being worse for productivity. Not including it doesn't gimp them, including it is a niche.
Review: Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an interesting tech demo that’s hard to recommend is worth reading. The summary is "Big cache benefits games, but lower clock speeds hurts everything else."
Gamers are the loudest, but server and embedded are where the majority of money is made. The majority of cpu dies would have been allocated to server. 5800X3D also only exists because AMD created Milan X Epyc CPU, with a big cache, for server to handle specialist workload. 5800X3D are technically a Milan X die that was not suitable for server.
Holding out for ~$500
Didn't help that about a week after release everyone in Aus jacked their prices :-/
I still remember the days where $200-250 could get you a pretty good cpu. $650-1000 seems nutty.
Are you accounting for inflation?
There are still great options at reasonable prices.
This 5600 (6c/12t) is a solid CPU for ~$230
The 5700x (8c/16t) is a step up for those need more cores at ~$370
The 3800X3D is a sort of premium niche product.
Not a gamer. I know this Cpu is supposed to be very good. But very good 6-8 core intel used to be like $250 when I built a Pc. Maybe those days are over.
You wouldn’t get this CPU unless you were a gamer. It’s a premium niche product as mentioned before.
The 5600 and 5700x are very good 6 and 8 Core CPUs, respectively. The former is at the price point you want. The Intel i5-12400F is around that price too.
I don’t recall any 8 Core CPU around the $250 price mark unless it was being heavily discounted.
I don’t think CPU prices have gone up much at all. You’re looking at high end products and expecting it at midrange prices.
Now GPUs on the other hand… well midrange products are now at high end prices and high end products are through the roof
@FireRunner: Yeah I only got some idea of this Cpu from the LTT video. Mind you 60fps casual gaming on medium is fine for me.
This is for the full gamers. + $1000+ on a GPU card at current prices.
@checkingthisout: Yep, it’s for gamers wanting the best of the best. For non-gamers, the 5700X would be basically identical in performance but at ~$370
You still can. The i5 12400F and Ryzen 5 5600 are both outstanding CPUs.
Yeah but this CPU isn't just "pretty good" it's very, very good for gaming
The 2600k was released at $299 US, adjusting for inflation that's 399. This is the same price as the 7700x for the same level part.
Side note. Why didn’t AMD ad this 3D cache technology to the 7 series?
Non gamers wouldn’t care about a 3D cache and it adds cost and limitations (like power limits and no overclocking). They will likely release 3D cache variants in the future
They are adding it. Expected early next year.
i think from 7 series onwards, they threw the low TPU and power draw out the window.
it would be some serious cooling headroom challenges imo.
there are other challenges that might make it impratical for the r9 variants.
I think I got my values worth out of a $330 i7 2600k which I used from 2012 through to last year
Many of you seem to forget that a CPU used to be the most expensive part in a system.
While CPU used to bundle with motherboard… RAM come next, 2MB ram cost more than $600 in the eighties.
Exactly, more and more components pulled out of the MB and into the CPU, motherboards should be much cheaper.
Then there is people buying 6 and 8 core CPUs thinking they need a $500 motherboard.
This entire conversation will be obsolete in a couple of months when cheaper motherboards are available. Very short sighted to be buying a 5800x3d now.
You'll just get an Xbox instead anyway.
safely can say over the next year, the prices for am5 based build would be a bit higher than am4.
the ram prices are nothing to be sneezed at.
if people were thinking about 7600x, then it makes more sense to get a 5800x3d from a value perspective. however it also meant they are buying a 'dead end' am4 line. so people have to weigh that up.
for most people that are in my position who already have am4 mobos, then it's a no-brainer - i'll top the cpu and run it to the ground.
For this price you can pretty much get an Xbox or ps5
This cpu will generally only go in PC's that perform much better than a xbox or a ps5, although at a much higher cost overall.
Yeah I know. I was thinking of upgrading my 3600x CPU but for this price I could just buy an Xbox and have both
I was thinking the same but also I don't want an Xbox. And even as a PS gamer previously, I'm still not sold on the PS5 when I can just use PC and a NVIDIA Shield if I want couch gaming. Still, it's expensive though. And I need to upgrade my GTX1080 too.
Personally, as I also WFH and do lots of workstation stuff too, it's probably a good idea too
Completely different product for completely different customers
Do they run Windows?
Devils advocate, Xbox can…
So the Xbox can do everything my desktop can? Lol ok
@scuderiarmani: The question continues. It runs Windows? Yes. Does it do everything my desktop does? No. Thus an Xbox is not a better alternative.
i mean for the price of an flagship smartphone, you can get a couple of those…. what's your point though?
id wait for intel 13th gen guys, i dare say once it launches amd will cut prices a little to entice people
I don't think it will happen in a significant way Intel's own 13th gen presentation doesn't show much gains in gaming. The 12900k and 5800X3D seem to hold their own.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/xpmc9q/whats_up_with…
I will wait 13700k for 600ish
I will wait and HODL!
Still overpriced. This CPU should be $500 at most. Personally will wait till it hits $450
It's becoming a halo product because there hasn't been any significant gains in gaming performance from recent reviews.Intel's 13th gen presentation also showed the 5800X3D out performing the 13900k in certain games.It was also number one selling product on Amazon US yesterday and number 3 today.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/…
Stupid question, if I have a 5900X and play Fortnite competitive 1080p should I sell it and go for the 5800X3D? I've heard it pushes the limits on 1080p games? I only game, no productivity. Motherboard is X570 Aorus Master.
Not looking at upgrading to DDR5 anytime soon, at least for another year or two but I'll definitely be getting the 4090 and selling the 3090 Aorus Master.
Compared to the 5800X the 3D gets a huge increase on fortnite
https://www.techspot.com/review/2451-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-…
Compared to a 5900X, in general it exceeds it.
![[Backorder] AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Processor $619 Delivered @ Amazon AU](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/82/727682.jpg?h=648eeece)
Man AMD….. has become much worse than Intel now with pricing. Holding back low-mid end CPU’s with decent performance. Pushing mid end $250 CPU’s to high $500 + priced parts. Raising minimum entry prices by limiting models. Holding back full features and technology and drip feeding ‘updates’ at higher prices instead of same tier previous gen prices. We need Intel back in the game.