[PreOrder] ASRock Arc B580 Challenger 12GB OC GPU + Assassin's Creed Shadows, 6-Month Ubisoft Classics $449 Delivered @ Scorptec

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[PreOrder] ASRock Arc B580 Challenger 12GB OC GPU + Assassin's Creed Shadows, 6-Month Ubisoft Classics $449 Delivered @ Scorptec
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phocks on 11/01/2025 - 11:09 scorptec.com.au (267 clicks)
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ASRock Arc B580 Challenger 12GB OC (Base: 2740MHz), 12GB GDDR6 (19000MHz), PCI-E 4.0, HDMI 2.1, 3x DisplayPort 2.1 with DSC, Stylish Metal Backplate, Dual Fan Design, LED Indicator, Battlemage
3 Year Warranty

I've been wanting to test out Intel's new GPUs and this seemed like a pretty good deal to me for the new B580, so I ordered.

(They also have the 3 fan Steel Legend model for $30 more ($479) with slightly higher clock speed, which maybe I should have sprung for in hindsight)

Free Assassin's Creed Shadows and 6 months of Ubisoft+ Classics apparently worth $150.

$449 delivered - Delivery: eta: 28-01-2025

Surcharges: 0% Afterpay & ZipMoney, 1% card & PayPal payments.

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  • Commodore64 on 11/01/2025 - 11:10
    +2

    Not a bad deal, but I'm almost certain Intel will be releasing larger memory models (potentially 24gb) and am very curious to see what comes next with the battlemage architecture.

    • Aureus on 11/01/2025 - 12:06
      +5

      The larger memory models are supposed to be targeting professional/ai workloads. Fair chance this is as good as it is going to get for Intel gaming this generation.

      • jasswolf on 11/01/2025 - 12:52
        +1

        With the RTX 5070 and 5070 Ti pricing, performance and features, this is likely correct.

        They'll be looking to driver optimisations to remain competitive with the RTX 5060 and equivalent AMD card when they release.

        No point chasing even lower yields and margins on a 384-bit bus card without it being able to out manoeuvre the RTX 5070 or RX 9070XT.

  • J0hn on 11/01/2025 - 11:14
    +7

    hopefully they release something similar to a 4080 super!!

  • bob98 on 11/01/2025 - 11:16
    +13

    honestly nearly bought one last night. then i watched a b580vs1080ti and the 1080ti was running cooler with higher fps in some games. it was only 5-10fps less on the 1080ti in a lot of other games. how the fk is a 10 year old card even competing.

    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 11/01/2025 - 11:34
      +12

      crypto inflation > covid inflation > ai inflation

    • Tuttorix on 11/01/2025 - 11:50
      +5

      The B580 actually has an issue where if it's running with mid-tier other components, the performance drops off heaps. Most benchmarks seen when it was seen as "amazing" is apparently only with the latest and greatest cpus etc.

    • JerryBeansMan on 11/01/2025 - 11:56
      +5

      I mean the 1080ti is probably the best gpu ever made (In terms of how performant it was for the time and the value proposition). I don't think we will ever see a gpu as good (for the consumer) ever again.

  • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 11:42
    +19

    The initial reviews on these were glowing, since they beat more expensive NVIDIA and AMD cards, and no longer seem to have any of the previous gen's driver issues in terms of performance and stability.

    BUT a few days later reviewers noticed something:

    They currently don't always perform that well on mid/budget CPUs.

    Standard practice when reviewing GPUs is to use a PC with the fastest gaming CPU available (so that you're actually comparing just the GPU performance).

    But a few days after release, when they tried the Arc B580 with the kind of CPUs most people will pair it with (budget and mid-range) they found the performance drops a lot, in some games, so much that it no longer beats the competitor cards.

    Now it's important to note this might be temporary (just a performance issue in the drivers making them take up too much CPU time, so much that they are taking away some of what some very-multicore games need. Might be a glitch that can be quickly fixed).

    But right now, you should look up benchmarks with your CPU (or a similar one) and the games you want, to see what you'll actually get, before you buy.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=b580+reviews

    You may end up deciding to hold off and see if they fix this.

    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 11/01/2025 - 11:51
      +3

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYOj-r_-3mA

      The latest review shows it's not that bad overall, but in very specific games it lost ~50% performance with a slower CPU

      • marshmall0w2 on 11/01/2025 - 13:20

        not that bad overall

        it lost ~50% performance with a slower CPU

        Huh?

        • witheredcouch on 11/01/2025 - 13:43
          +2

          They are talking overall not that bad, but in very specific cases it is bad.

    • leonardr on 11/01/2025 - 11:52
      +1

      Thanks for this! Very informative

      • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 12:40
        +2

        No worries.

        I looked it up on PcPartPicker au, and for us here in Australia, the B580 is an even harder sell right now, since both the RX 7600 and RTX 4060 have options for $429 e.g.:

        https://www.centrecom.com.au/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-4060-8…

        That 4060 seems like it would be better value if you already have a budget CPU. Depending on what games/res/etc you play, and if this performance issue persists. It's only 8GB, not 16GB, but don't forget: that only matters if it translates to better performance. Look at the actual benchmarks.

    • OzzyBrak on 11/01/2025 - 12:08

      What are budget and midrange cpus?

      • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 12:28
        +3

        Hardware unboxed saw drops with the very popular Ryzen 5 5600, I'd call that mid range (though people planning new builds might usually consider it budget, since it's older now).

        I haven't seen any actual budget CPUs yet (like my i3-13100f and my 3300x) but logically you'd expect them to be more affected, not less.

      • StormOfRazors on 11/01/2025 - 12:36
        +1

        At this point it seems like you're at risk of performance falling off for anything older than the Ryzen 5600.
        The key issue though is that the performance drop-off for the Arc GPUs seems to be due to them having a higher driver overhead (simply, requiring more CPU usage) than comparable AMD or Nvidia cards), which means the problem isnt tied to given CPU - its just that issue becomes more impactful on older CPUs.
        The HardwareUnboxed video linked above is a great resource.

    • Lief on 11/01/2025 - 12:58
      +2

      The initial reviews on these were glowing, since they beat more expensive NVIDIA and AMD cards

      It's also worth noting that while this is true in America, in Australia the RX 7600 and RTX 4060 are slightly cheaper than this deal (though they only have 8GB of VRAM) which also makes the positive reviews less applicable.

      • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 13:04
        +1

        Yep the reviews were based on it being at least 10% cheaper than both of those in the USA.

        But here in Oz? Both are cheaper than this B580, as low as $429 delivered on pcpartpicker au.

        Seems inevitable the B580 will fall soon enough, but right now? Not a bargain, sadly.

    • RedHab on 11/01/2025 - 13:08

      Also note that your PC and OS need to support resizeble BAR for these Intel cards to work.

  • Bid Sniper on 11/01/2025 - 11:48

    If they release a 5080 equivalent Im in.

  • jimmej on 11/01/2025 - 11:53
    +12

    I really hope that these do really well. I am sick of buying Jensen more jackets.

    • shabaka on 11/01/2025 - 12:14
      +10

      rumour has it it's the same jacket

      it just looks different 'cause of dlss and frame generation

      • edforums on 11/01/2025 - 12:20
        +2

        Actually the new jacket has less fabric than the older ones, but they managed to make it look "better", and for the same price

        • shabaka on 11/01/2025 - 14:11

          yeah the fabric is actually thinner than ever, but they compensate for it using thread compression

  • Cupa Bundy Drinker on 11/01/2025 - 12:22

    Sorry for a noob question.. How it compares to Intel Arc B580 Battlemage 12G Graphics Card 31P06HB0BA? Thanks!

    • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 12:31
      +2

      Basically identical performance.

      There's no real significant performance difference between brands.

      • TheFreaK on 11/01/2025 - 12:32
        +3

        Actually I’d expect better performance from the board partner than the reference design as they typically do a better job cooling the card

  • Kelvin on 11/01/2025 - 12:47
    -7

    Hmmm…

    Very little no reason to buy the B580 over the RTX4060, other than if you are worried than the 8gb vram will become limiting …
    Pricing in australia.. is very similar to both cards.. and sometimes you can get the Nvidia card for $400 or even less..
    and performance is similar or worse for the Intel card on mid to lower tier CPUs..

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/880718

    RTX4060 ATL - $329..

    Best to pay the small NVidia tax, and get a card with solid drivers and support..

    Intel is the newbie, in the gaming GPU market.. it will take many years to get to the level of AMD and Nvidia iin this market..
    It took AMD almost a decade of catchup to even get drivers right..

    Intel is financially in trouble, getting off non profitable / less viable divisions… look at their Nuc / Nuc notebook line..
    The processors, are a poor 2nd to AMD at the moment..

    They have a history of entering and bailing out on the GPU market..

    My predictation is that they will bail out.. or significant cost cut the GPU division.. in an attempt to ressurrect / fix their CPU issues..
    Either way.. I don't think, we can expect as much resources to be poured into fixing any GPU issues… until their bread and butter (CPUs) are back on track..

    The lack of intel cards on the market.. also means that pricing, is at RRP.. without any specials
    The new 50xx series cards are around the corner, and we might see a runout on 40xx series cards… and some bargains around..

    • botchie on 11/01/2025 - 12:55

      I don't know why ppl bother with Intel , they are clearly very behind the curve and unless they drop the price I don't see how this is enticing to anyone

    • Merlict on 11/01/2025 - 12:59
      +2

      other than if you are worried than the 8gb vram will become limiting
      Not will become, it's already a huge weakness. Simply not enough.

    • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 13:12

      I don't think intel will bail out when the profit margins are so enormous on GPUs right now.

      Prices never went all the way back down to the historical trend line (even accounting for inflation) after the COVID/crypto/scalper GPU price crisis 5 years ago, and NVIDIA and AMD are still printing money like crazy.

      You shouldn't be getting negged, though, you're quite correct that this is a hard sell given the RTX 4060 is cheaper. 16GB matters for 4k/ultra/RT, sure, and will matter even more in coming years, but the benchmarks don't lie: the 8GB 4060 is STILL faster, regardless, with mid/budget CPUs, in most games, and at the most common resolutions/settings choices.

      Hardware Unboxed is reluctant to recomment the B580 over the 4060 even at US prices:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYOj-r_-3mA

      But here? The B580 is a hard sell until it falls another 50 bucks or so.

      • sane on 11/01/2025 - 14:04

        I'd guess intel will keep producing GPUs, so they can keep producing tiles for their APU/CPUs. However as discrete entities - they have a lot of issues that make them not the bargain some people hope for. 77/7800 XT or the 9070 if it comes out at a sane price are going to have better longevity.

    • qtvinsta on 11/01/2025 - 13:15
      +1

      Shame its not a B780 at this price… would buy it just for sh!ts and giggles

  • Bunnyburger on 11/01/2025 - 13:10

    Gentlemen, how much better is this than a 1080ti?

    • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2025 - 13:23

      Not enough to bother upgrading, IMO.

      And many people using a 1080ti have older PCs without resizeable bar, which is still a must when using an Intel GPU.

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