Deal or no deal? It's too hard to decide with the market the way it is. Nvidia only releasing higher end cards so there may be less wiggle room with the lower end cards for good deals. Ebay plus only so get out the spare email address.
Hasn't yet, the 40xx prices are ridiculous.
I'm moving from the hodl camp to the Torvalds camp, wait for AMD to catch up a bit.
Lol, stupid expensive.
RTX 4080 (12GB) will start at $1,659 AUD
RTX 4080 (16GB) will start at $2,219 AUD
RTX 4090 (24GB) will start at $2,959 AUD
Is anyone really going to pay these prices.
And those are MSRP for Founders cards. No chance they'll be those prices either.
Sounds like they are keeping the price high to keep 30 series sales alive (and no lower tiers announced as yet).
@Abaddon: Yes msrp for founders cards. Yep, They have to keep pricing this high to sell out current stock.
Probably one of the reasons EVGA told them to go fck them selves.
@mckayver: Pretty sure EVGA are a big part of why these prices are the way they are. They sold heavily to miners, and expected NVIDIA to clean up their over-ordering mistakes with more rebates.
My impression of things is that NVIDIA told them to get lost as much as the other way around. NVIDIA can do better, but AIBs really need to tone down their business given most of their work is done for them in terms of board designs.
EVGA had shocking margins because of how they chose to operate in the US market, and tried to lock people into their product suite with predatory buyer programs.
@jasswolf: I guess we'll find out eventually what really happened. EVGA account for 40% of USA gpu stock.
@mckayver: Yup, that would be people milking their step-up program for a cheap card upgrade.
Probably a big part of why their margins were half of other AIBs.
@jasswolf: Given Nvidia's epic reputation for screwing over partners far and wide I would personally back it was Nvidia screwing EVGA and it takes a lot of screwing to walk away from a 40% market share.
@gromit: 40% in the US only, because of their expansive trade-in programs, and they were only making 5% profit on their sales. They had to change what they were doing, or exit.
40% means nothing if someone else is at 20% while making 10% profit, because you're outputting twice the product for the same gross margin. They were a failing business.
@jasswolf: seems I was right though.Even a 5% profit is nothing to be sneezed at and a lot of the restrictions on price were imposed by the usual Nvidia BS.
in an interview with Gamers Nexus, EVGA executives said it notified Nvidia about the company’s decision to bail from the graphics card business back in April. The company is ending the partnership, citing a lack of “respect” from Nvidia’s side.
One major problem is how Nvidia will refuse to reveal basic information about its PC graphics cards, such as the price, to partners. The company will only do so when Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang announces the GPUs during the formal product introduction.
“We’re told this is even true for the cost to buy the (GPU) chip,” Gamers Nexus host Steve Burke says in the video. “It’s hard to run a business when you don’t even know the cost of your product is—that you’re imminently launching.”
Another issue is how Nvidia can restrict prices on some cards, at the high and low ends. On top of this, Nvidia will release limited-edition Founders Edition graphics cards that can undercut EVGA’s own products in terms of price.
@gromit: Absolutely none of this is new information, and is built off having to deal with multiple competitors in the chip manufacturing space.
Until the pandemic, prices have barely moved for several cycles despite several constraints and pressures at various nodes. Even now, this pricing tactic seems to be about clearing existing inventory, and will probably disappear in January at the latest.
EVGA were double dipping everywhere, because they wanted to have a service level offering in the USA that was clearly unsustainable.
The RTX 4080 12GB is really an RTX 4070. Don't fall for Nvidia's Jensen Huang's greed. HODL.
@Richardc: Only if you go by the bus. The chip design throws a lot of transistors at upping the L2 cache, and the VRAM is generally doubled compared to what you'd otherwise expect, not to mention substantially faster than the previous gen.
It's a 4070 Ti at launch, but the price is terrible.
What happened to all those people here saying they weren't going to be ridiculous? 🤣
What happened to all those people here saying they weren't going to be ridiculous? 🤣
Looks like 3 of them found their way to my comment by negging. Sucks to be wrong.
@Clear: AD103 SKUs (380 sqmm) are in same ballpark as what Navi 21 SKUs were 2 years ago… it's ripe for a late price drop.
If the RX 6800XT could launch at $649, the 4080 16GB should be $699-$749.
From a business perspective, I can understand why Nvidia have done what they've done. From a consumer perspective, I hope AMD kicks the shit out of them for it.
$490 isn't bad for new RTX3060 even it's a low model.. but only cos low end model card prices haven't gone down much. (at least in Australia)
But personally I wouldn't pay $500 for RTX3060 cos it's pretty slow..
i.e. RTX3060 is ~10% slower than the old skool GTX1080Ti & ~25% slower than the RTX3060Ti.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060.c3682
They have massive overstock of 30xx models, so are pricing these super high to avoid being left with old tech.
You either buy a 30xx series, or pay double for a new series.
The 60 series cards haven't dropped much (in some cases not at all) as Nvidia didn't focus much on them and instead produced more higher end cards…. so bigger drops have happened at that level….
And more importantly, no lower/mid range cards will be available in the 40 series for a while yet…. and it's not like Nvidia hid these older mid range cards from their announcement too…. don't wait around looking for mid range bargains in the 40 series. Not unless AMD really shakes them up IMO.
40 series wont drop price of 30 series. What will drop the price is if amd release 7600 7700s and they are low cost with great performance.
$490 isn't bad for new RTX3060 even it's a low model.. but only cos low end model card prices haven't gone down much. (at least in Australia)
But personally I wouldn't pay $500 for RTX3060 cos it's pretty slow..
i.e. RTX3060 is ~10% slower than the old skool GTX1080Ti & ~25% slower than the RTX3060Ti.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060.c3682
Is there a massive difference between this and the 6600xt?
In case anyone else is lazy and wants the summary
In a nutshell: the RTX 3060 offers similar rasterization performance, superior ray tracing, DLSS support, a bigger VRAM buffer, and a full PCIe 4.0 x16 connection, making it a better product — and if available at the same price, the obvious option.
Whether or not AMD can tempt us with the Radeon RX 6650 XT has yet to be seen, but we're keen to look into that very soon.
There's always the 6700XT for another $100: https://www.centrecom.com.au/asrock-amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-ch…
Yeah I really struggle to see the value proposition for nvidia (for gaming) at this end of the market… the 6700xt has been down around $530-540 several times and the 6600xt is substantially less for equivalent performance.
hold
6700xt will be this price very soon
Prices for second hand cards on ebay are still above this point.
Damn - I'll keep hodling.
I'm probably gonna get this or the 6800xt once amd launches rdna3. Hodling also, like almost everyone around the world lol.
I'm suddenly seeing a LOT of 3070s for $600 on eBay today. I don't think they'll all sell.
Prices may end up tumbling pretty fast when the miners realise the longer they wait the less they'll get for their cards.
Miners have being hodling for so long and making bank out of it that they think they can hodl a used product the same way. The smart ones sold early.
Nvidia have no intention of allowing video cards to come down in price, if you must go with them and think the performance will carry the games you like its not that painful. Its kind of disappointing, I bought the 2070 for around $650 a few months after launch, that's getting on 4 years ago; this card is basically that.
Personally holding on until AMD announcements on Nov 3rd.
Nvidia may not have a choice with the prices, if second-hand mining GPU come on the market they may bring the prices lower and lower.
Not seeing mining cards coming on the market at realistic prices yet.
Will hopefully see a surge after Nov 3rd.
The 3060s are going for reasonable prices secondhand on eBay. One here for $350 buy now.
$490 is 40% more.
Agree this is cheaper than they have been but this is an old card, a cheaper brand with 2 fans and really should be lower priced still.
I bought this Gainward 3060 from Techfast $750 delivered back in Jan this year. F in the chat…
You’ve had the card for eight months. Think about it as renting a GPU for $1.60 per day up to this point.
Deal Or No Deal?
I guess it depends on the value you attach on the 3060 improvements over the 2060. Both cards need to be priced lower than they are now, I reckon. After all, it's been years after release for both of them. The 2060 in particular. When the 3060 successor is selling next year, we should see some more serious price action.
I mean, 6600xt is 200 bucks cheaper often. Like, is barely 60fps ray tracing worth 200 bucks?
Spot on
Who cares about ray tracing when you are getting a sub 60fps on a 144hz display
I can't name a friend or steam friend who has actually played a game with it enabled (to their knowledge)
Crazy price.We can buy a 3080 at this price later this year.
Dreamin'
Definitely will be 3080 price by year end, otherwise not worth buying.
Tell him he's dreamin'. Maybe if 4080 pricing was half what it is…
Going from a 1660 the improvement with the 3060 was extremely noticeable. It can run almost all current games on Ultra at 1080/60 or very high with RTX 4k DLSS for games that support it. It's great paired with my cheapo Aldi 4k TV.
Very smooth with no frame drops for basically anything I can throw at it in VR with a first-gen Vive.
I didn't regret paying nearly twice this price a year ago so if you're doing a sizable upgrade it could be worth it.
On the other hand, I'm still so impressed with 1660. Yes, this is 40% faster, but 1660 can handle almost anything you throw at it at 1080p. Pretty good for an outdated low-mid range.
I went from 970 to 6600xt and it was barely noticeable compared to going from GTX 560 to 970.
970 ran my games 1440p with a mix of low/med settings at 90-110fps (pubg/bf5/hell let loose). 6600xt can't run them ultra or only gets 80fps on 1440p ultra (needs a mix of high/ultra to get same fps as 970). With the GTX 560 I jumped from 1680x1050 to 2540x1440. With the 6600xt I jumped to low/med to high settings on the same resolution.. pretty meh tbh. I'm so thankful I didn't waste $800 on one last year. And with AMD I'm having minor driver issues, but bigger problems on U4 engine/DX11 games (ADS/shader cache stutter, which the 970 didn't have).
I'm surprised the 1660 didn't already run them at 1080p/60hz. It's effectively a GTX 1070 which runs demanding games like Hell Let Loose at 120fps 1080p.
My 1660 I'm still using in my other PC I was building which was the main reason for the upgrade.
It runs games well, even at 1440p, but it won't go to ultra like the 3060. Plus RTX/DLSS for the 4k tv is what I really wanted, god of war was insanely good looking, as is Spiderman.
970 to 6600xt should be more than 2x performance increase
I love how people were calling out that "4000 series it coming, wait for better value".
Nobody said that. Eth merge and bitcoin at 20k usd however lower demand. Google supply/demand
Of course Jensen will try his little cash grab. He'll need another crypto boom to sustain these launch prices. We all know there's morons who will actually buy these at launch.
the words cash grab is like used by teenagers who don't understand all businesses operate as cash grabs. Just thought i educate you a little so you can see when you sound like a click bait rage zombie
Wow. Businesses try to make money? Check oit the big brain on nrad.
But then why aren't intel grabbing cash as successfully as Jensuang?
It's a good idea to first "grab" context before posting. Perhaps not all business have the privilege to attempt cash grabs like you think. You need a tremendous surge in demand for a start. That's why "every businesses" msrp hasn't doubled over the past decade.
I'm sure if people threw $2000 at intel for the 12700k and cleaned them off the shelf, they too would "cash grab" with their 13700k. Even a gold fish could comprehend what
I meant.
This or 8GB Ti for $200 more?
Both are very shit cards for their price. 6800xt has been $799 a few times now (it's faster than the 3070ti let alone 3060ti). Don't listen to "people" here who paid 2k for gpu (they're trying to hide the better deals so people don't hold and tank gpu values)
Bought this deal, person who bubble wrapped it clearing wasn't trying :)
Is this worth upgrading too from a gtx 1080?
not really, be better with a 3060ti at least, its much larger jump in performance. Or wait till Nov and look at AMD options
After merge, 3060 worth $250 max
Used 3080 are $600 only, it can cut half soon, once miner dump their rigs, 3080 can reach $400 in 2-3month
Source on this $600 3080 so I can put it in a second rig.
FB marketplace, ex mining 3080
For machine learners, this is incredible value - especially if your workload can spread across 2 cards. Dual RTX 3060s setup is going to beat a single RTX 3080 or even RTX 3090 for less money.
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Yep I've been running my 3060 at 11.3/12gb vram usage for Stable Diffusion textual inversion for weeks now, which is about the minimum vram that it can be done at. Bought the Asus Ko for $500 from the deal here and it's probably the best purchase I've ever made.
Also played some games on max everything without even thinking about settings for the first time in my life after decades of gaming. It's finally registered just how much time I was wasting not spending more on the things I use more than anything else in life.
Well worth the investment. Especially if you both ML and game. Many said how nvidia's cards are overpriced but in the ML space you cannot really go with AMD as the ML software stack for team green is lacking. Basically all the popular libraries relied on CUDA. Would love to see this RTX 3060 drop a bit further though and I'll complete my dual card setup.
Except you have single point precision, cant pool memory, and the bridge is gimped.
You will get a used 3080 at this price in the next few months.
Wow what a shit deal. I paid $140 less for the faster 6600xt. People honestly upvoting this? Stop being desperate and call it for what it is (a shit deal)
Think I'll be going team red for my next GPU purchase, NVIDIA are pricing themselves out of the market.
C'mon, seriously, upvoting this just because it's under $500 (which it's been several times), HODL and make em bleed green for trying to dupe us with a 4070 dressed up as a 4080 12GB
If you need something now, have a look at second hand or AMD or wait to see what AMD is offering with RX7000, 3060 12GB will drop further and new variants of 3060 and 3060 Ti will be released soon as well.
nice much better deal imo, cos 3060Ti is ~25% faster than the normal slow 3060..
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060.c3682
Someone is selling OEM brand new 3060 ti's on eBay, managed to score one for $460. If you see them pop up make an offer. Better deal than this if you don't care about it not having a fancy look.
Link to listing?
Can't believe there is still large amount of "brand new" unused 3060TI cards for sale, not mention LHR, so I assume they are old FHR stocks which sold for $1500 last year.
Is there warranty on these dell 3060 ti gpus?
just bought second hand 3070 @495
Bought a 3070 a few months ago, I regret waiting so long. I forgot how much I love computer games.
with the 4000 series coming soon I would say they will get alot cheaper soon :D
Its 549 on their website. Talk about a price jack
Terrible value
![[eBay Plus] Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Eagle OC 12GB GDDR6 Graphics Video Card $490.62 Shipped @ Shopping Express Clearance eBay](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/42/726442.jpg?h=ca9ceb4d)
I'm guessing the 40xx series card announcement will drop prices of 30xx series cards, wondering how much more they will drop. But might HODL for the 40xx series anyway.