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QNAP TS-464 4GB 4-Bay NAS - $737.10 + Postage + Surcharge @ Shopping Express

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QNAP TS-464 4GB 4-Bay NAS - $737.10 + Postage + Surcharge @ Shopping Express
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B3 on 31/08/2022 - 19:30 shoppingexpress.com.au (541 clicks)
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This is the new release QNAP mainstream NAS and is currently quite hard to get hold of in many parts of the world outside of Asia. Was widely expected to be similarly or more expensively prices than previous models but is somehow significantly cheaper here and now. Not sure what the full story is but as someone who has been watching the NAS market closely in recent years I can assure you this is a very good price that seems unlikely to come along often. Part of their 10% off promotion from Shopping Express. 1% surcharge for Card & PayPal payments

You can also get this with an 8TB Ironwolf drive for an extra $252 by my calculations, which also seems a good price. https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/qnap-ts-464-4g-4-bay-…

Powerful yet tiny and efficient, featuring 2.5 Gbe networking, an additional 2 inbuilt SSD slots, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Port (10Gb/s), HDMI output and great expansion options.

https://nascompares.com/2022/04/18/qnap-ts-464-nas-review/

Will make a sensational media server. Stomps all over the Synology equivalent in hardware specs. The main weakness of QNAP is a lack of newbie friendliness in setting up many aspects for non tech types, there is likely to be a learning curve involved for many non-basic aspects of using this NAS. The downside of this is you will very likely need to be prepared to sink in some hours to learn the ropes.

https://nascompares.com/2022/05/04/synology-ds920-vs-qnap-ts…

Certain people love going on about QNAP security issues but these are resolved and as long as you take basic care you'll be fine. I've had two for the past few years through the various waves of attacks and experienced absolutely zero security issues. QNAP have certainly been motivated to up their security game because of this but yes, they did drop the security ball in various ways in the past.

And yes, you can build your own box that will be more powerful for less money, we know. There are three main paths you can choose here:

Synology = Poor value hardware. Relatively easy to use software. Professional support.
QNAP = Good value hardware. Relatively technical software. Professional support.
DIY = Great value hardware. Very technical software. Non-professional support.

Synology is more popular than QNAP because of their software and ease of use. People generally don't seem to care about specs so much but HIGHLY value ease of use and people who advocate for DIY solutions seem to ignore that most people think that way.

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  • jv on 31/08/2022 - 19:50
    +12

    I've been using QNAPs for about 15 years and they are great.
    On my second one now, but the 1st one is still going strong.

    • Master Bates on 31/08/2022 - 19:54
      +10

      A rare serious post from the notorious jv

      Keep up the good work!

      • bongo007 on 31/08/2022 - 20:05

        Must tell you something!?

        • scud70 on 31/08/2022 - 22:02
          +4

          His a QNAP sales rep…

  • sachz on 31/08/2022 - 19:56
    +2

    Prefer the 6 bay

    • 2025 on 31/08/2022 - 21:08
      +1

      Prefer the 8 bay

      • Dr Techno on 31/08/2022 - 21:23
        +3

        Prefer the 12 bay

        • Sxio on 31/08/2022 - 22:10
          +11

          Prefer Michael Bay

          • Chris McMahon on 31/08/2022 - 23:16
            +5

            @Sxio: Doesn't it keep exploding?

            • Sxio on 01/09/2022 - 08:45

              @Chris McMahon: And the dialogue is awful but it can be entertaining if you're in the mood.

        • rodericb on 01/09/2022 - 16:09
          +1

          Prefer Bay Watch.

  • B3 on 31/08/2022 - 20:07
    +1

    Yes so would I but it's $400 more for 2 extra bays. So I decided to get this one.

  • solidussnake on 31/08/2022 - 20:22

    At this price wouldn't it be cheaper to build your own, in a mini or micro atx ?

    • Ivegottheskill on 31/08/2022 - 20:46
      +2

      Yes, but as OP quite rightly says, the trade off is the learning curve of something like Unraid or TrueNAS, and the fact that you're more or less "on your own" with regards to support and hardware warranty etc.

      I used to have a 4-bay QNAP box, and was happy with it, but I sold it and later turned off them when:
      - I needed space for more drives (and more powerful hardware)
      - I learned about the significant spate of security issues their software seems to have (over and above their competitors): https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tag/qnap/
      - Realised I could get a far more capable, upgradable, and 'fit for purpose' system for half the cost

      • flashi007 on 31/08/2022 - 22:12

        Did you use a guide to build your own? I’d like to and don’t know where to start

      • thedean on 31/08/2022 - 22:44
        +2

        I disagree with 'On your own' on software support with Unraid.
        The forums and team are fantastic, I don't think i've ever had an issue they haven't helped with.
        The downside is the extra technical ability required to understand the context of the issues you may come across I guess.

        • Ivegottheskill on 01/09/2022 - 08:48

          Don't get me wrong, I use Unraid now and think it's great. The forums are a great resource. But there is still more to learn (and Spaceinvader One videos to watch), than generally required for a Synology or QNAP box

          For anyone who likes computers, wants better value for money, or wants better NAS hardware full stop, I can't recommend Unraid + DIY enough

      • solidussnake on 01/09/2022 - 06:00

        Mine had hardware enabled raid 1 with a copy of windows, did me well for about ten years, now I have 4tb in the same config in my gaming PC and use Plex to send it to my 77c1 I just feel it's alot of money for the average user but obviously there are different scenarios out there

    • djbst on 31/08/2022 - 23:11

      For some people, yes, but for others who want just a place to files locally, no. I was in the first category and went to the 2nd. Too many things to manage on your own, and I can't be bothered these days.

  • dajiska on 31/08/2022 - 20:48

    Just last yr bought the qnap - its great nas!

  • dutchman on 31/08/2022 - 20:59

    do you need to learn linux?

    I have a HP microserver with freenas installed and I don't use it anymore. It required a lot of tutorials and I don't want to go down that path again.

    • B3 on 31/08/2022 - 21:07
      +2

      No linux. In some extreme cases it might be helpful to SSH into it but they are rare. A difficult part for me was setting up Docker containers via Container Station which is basically a linux front end and that's easy once you get the hang of it, but it took me a while cause I just didn't understand some basic things.

      I try to get in linux every now and then and always decide it's too difficult for me if you're not using it regularly, but I can now basically get a really good media server up and running on one of these things in my sleep.

      • BigLeviathan on 31/08/2022 - 21:20
        +1

        Linux knowledge is not required but handy to have to SSH to the server.

        For docker, try portainer, it's a good alternative UI than the one provided by QNAP

    • Joker042 on 31/08/2022 - 21:09
      +1

      Not at all. If you want to do some weird stuff then maybe, but for NAS and installing Plex, it's all gui.

  • Jase83 on 31/08/2022 - 21:23

    So QNAP don't have the equivalent of Synology SHR or Terramaster TRAID?

  • Mr Simple on 31/08/2022 - 22:28

    Doing my research now but I'm looking for a 2 bay version of these new release if someone can link me. Thanks

  • themadman on 31/08/2022 - 22:36

    So I'm trying to figure out an upgrade path from my Lenovo M92P USFF PC with 2x external 2.5" drives connected (cost me <$200 used).

    I checked the scores on this CPU and they're lower than my i5-3570t from 2012 (PassMark: 4018 vs 4144) and half the RAM (4GB vs 8GB)? That said, CPU power draw on this is 10W vs 45W so I guess that counts for something.

    Are there any well-spec'ed alternatives to a NAS like this that are good value performance upgrade, have some sort of drive bay storage and are fairly DIY friendly? I don't even know if there's a space-efficient alternative to NAS devices for HDD storage aha. I'm comfortable with Docker and VM's FWIW.

    • B3 on 31/08/2022 - 23:02

      In what areas do you need the performance for and do you need it to run 24/7? This main use of this is often media monitoring, streaming and transcoding and things like Quick Sync.

      Good value is scarce in this arena. It's like, size, efficiency, power, value, silence, administration time - prioritising one of them costs you in another area. Something like this might qualify but is $700: https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/tl-d800c I think other brands like Terramaster have cheaper versions if you check out the reviews.

      Every consumer PC case I've seen requires a TON of space to fit hard drives in. Maybe keep an eye out for second hand rackmount / enterprise sales / auctions.

      • themadman on 31/08/2022 - 23:13

        The 3470T handles most of my Docker containers pretty easily tbh. I mostly notice it struggle with Plex, and sometimes I lose network access to it (it's running headless) and have to reboot the whole PC. I'm assuming it's "overloaded" in some way, so an upgrade can't hurt. My main concern though is using portable USB HDD's instead of a proper enclosure, which just doesn't feel like a good idea from a data protection POV.

        Since making this post I've just discovered that RAID enclosures are a thing, so might do some more digging. While definitely not as convenient as a NAS like this, the performance difference is pretty significant if you compare a $400 RAID enclosure + $400 USFF PC (albeit used) vs $800 NAS.

        I'm on a pretty tight budget atm, so trying to squeeze as much out of my setup as I can. 8 bays is a little overkill at this stage given I don't have any 3.5" drives yet heh. And I don't really have the space for a rack mount. If I went that route, I might as well move away from USFF and buy an ATX PC with extra bays.

        • rodericb on 01/09/2022 - 16:25

          I am contemplating the same as you. My Netgear ReadyNAS won't work with Windows due to security plus it only supports up to 1tb drives. The Synology and Qnap NAS's are not cheap. Self building a ITX based thing can get very expensive quite easily unless you choose the board carefully as most are miniaturized gaming ATX boards which seem to cost more as they are smaller! Most small cases only have space for two 2.5 inch drives. All that said there are some basic ITX boards and a couple of ITX NAS cases out there. ASRock J3455b board and Jonsbo N1 case for example.

          Then i think meh just buy one already built….

          • themadman on 01/09/2022 - 16:31

            @rodericb: Yeah I don't think building your own PC is the most economical way to do it by a long stretch. All the USFF PC's aimed at corporate environments work pretty well as microservers - I'm seeing a lot of 6th-8th gen intel chips with 8-16GB RAM coming through ~$400 used these days which seems decent. It's just the data storage you need to figure out at that point.

            • rodericb on 01/09/2022 - 17:21

              @themadman: Yeah they certainly look tempting. I want to have at least three drives for Raid5 and the SFF's don't have the room. Transplanting the guts into another case might be possible if they don't run a custom board. And if they have enough SATA ports. I looked at hardware RAID but they aren't cheap.

            • Nom on 01/09/2022 - 21:17

              @themadman: See post above - the USFF machine makes a great base when coupled with an 8 bay USB DAS.

  • zoner on 01/09/2022 - 09:07

    Been a qnap user for 12 years but will not buy a new one. The ransomware & malware make it quite impossible to use all the functionally you buys it for. Not sure what my next NAS solution will be but it ain't QNAP

  • dirtybigbjelke on 01/09/2022 - 15:53

    Can I run Docker and therefore PiHole on one of these?

    • laudalashun on 01/09/2022 - 23:16
      +1

      Yes you can. Takes literally 2 mins to get it setup using container station.
      I have pihole on docker and ubuntu LXD that is my dev server and also used to route traffic through cloudflare tunnels.

  • ttt888 on 02/09/2022 - 14:19

    how many camera channels this unit comes with?

  • ChipsChicky on 04/09/2022 - 13:34

    Tempting but scared of setting it up, never had a nas before.

    Is it too much for me, i am looking for Files Storage and Sharing in home based office and taking backup of family photos. Speed and Noise are also imp factors.

    • Nom on 04/09/2022 - 14:41

      Don't forget to also take backups of the NAS if you're going to fill it with family photos.

      • ChipsChicky on 04/09/2022 - 15:37

        Another NAS in parallel ? 😂

        • Nom on 04/09/2022 - 16:22
          +1

          Yes, or just buy a couple of big-enough external USB hard drives, and use them to take a complete copy every so often (you can connect them directly to the NAS when required). Store one somewhere other than your home. Disconnect power and data cables when you aren't in the middle of a backup.

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