ACT Banning Petrol and Diesel New Car Sales from 2035

tanksinatra on 19/07/2022 - 06:45
Last edited 22/07/2022 - 00:48 by 1 other user

Apparently the ACT is looking to become the first Australian state to set a firm end date for the sale of petrol and diesel-powered new cars.
The ban would be the first of its kind here in Australia, and will come into force in 2035.
We don't have any details on this plan or how it would be enforced.
I'd be interested to know if this would cover utes and other commercial vehicles.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/act-banning-petrol-die…
https://www.drive.com.au/news/act-to-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-…

Automotive

Comments

  • DarkOz on 19/07/2022 - 07:17
    +31

    Just buy one from NSW or VIC and drive it back to the ACT?

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 19/07/2022 - 08:18
      +2

      Wouldn't you need to register this in NSW or Vic? And renew the rego each year in NSW or Vic?

        • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 09:37
          +25

          It's the sale of new ICE cars that is banned, not ownership

            • DashCam AKA Rolts on 19/07/2022 - 13:25
              +1

              @EightImmortals: I would be surprised if they disallowed registration of new ICE vehicles in the ACT after this date, so if you purchased in NSW, you may not be allowed to register the vehicle.
              Trying to circumvent the restrictions by giving false info on registration docs is an offense, and may nullify insurance on the vehicle.

              • Sigiriya on 22/07/2022 - 13:14

                @DashCam AKA Rolts: Then there will be demand for ex demonstrators :-)

                • DashCam AKA Rolts on 22/07/2022 - 15:54
                  +1

                  @Sigiriya: The ACT may simply ban registration of vehicle after a certain build date, to avoid people circumventing the new law.

                  • Dsiee on 22/07/2022 - 16:25

                    @DashCam AKA Rolts: Yeah pretty simple and straight forward to work out the simpletons who think they are sneaky buying a ICE crap box interstate.

      • boomramada on 19/07/2022 - 08:37
        +5

        Have you seen how many NSW/VIC/SA/NT/QLD cars in ACT? lol

        • Domicron on 20/07/2022 - 08:57
          +6

          Well, the ACT is a suburb in NSW?

    • tonyjzx on 23/07/2022 - 01:07

      mores the point the EU and JP KR have all decided that 2035 is going to be the end of ICE cars anyway… so its not like as if we have a choice.

      In about 13 yrs time I'm guessing that they would have figured out how to make a $30,000 car that has 500km range and then… why bother with ICE?

      And if they cant do it, the Chinese would be there to steal their lunches.

      But then again maybe most of Western Europe will be 50c and all the ocean view property is under water by that time.

    • franco cozzo on 30/08/2022 - 05:47

      it will be nationwide 100% guaranteed

  • pegaxs on 19/07/2022 - 07:31
    -4

    And the first change of government will just repeal this or people will drive just over the border and buy a petrol car in NSW.

    • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 08:11
      +7

      They might make it that you can't transfer registration to ACT for petrol vehicles manufactured after 2035

      • itsme56 on 20/07/2022 - 10:25

        they wont, what if youre moving to the ACT? cant bring your 10 year old car with you?

        • Quantumcat on 20/07/2022 - 10:53

          Maybe there will be an exception for that situation, for example if it was previously registered to you for 6 months or longer at your address interstate. Relying on the other states to not let you register the car fraudulently (at a friend's house that you don't live in for example).

        • Dsiee on 22/07/2022 - 16:26

          Your 10 year old car isn't going to have a Dom after 2035 until 2045 when I could see all ICE only being registrable as vintage cars.

    • Vote for Pedro on 19/07/2022 - 16:41
      +52

      Or, and hear me out, in 13 years electric cars will be more common and better value than today and most people will be happy with the policy.

      Kinda like solar, old bugger of a neighbour absolutely hates ‘this climate change rubbish’ and is a rusted on LNP voter who is anti windpower and clean energy but has solar panels on his house. You know why? More money in his pocket.

      I thanked him for doing good for the climate and heard him mumble something along the lines ‘piss off leftie hippe’

      • DemocracyManifest on 20/07/2022 - 08:39
        +4

        lol was your neighbour Malcolm Turnbull? 😂

        • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 08:48
          +11

          Nah, this bloke proudly flies the strayan flag in his great wall dual cab ute. He’s a barrel of lolz. The gift that keeps giving.

          • DemocracyManifest on 20/07/2022 - 08:49
            +1

            @Vote for Pedro: Probably has a Ned Kelly sticker and a ‘if you drive close to me I’ll slow down and shank you’ one as well

          • abb on 21/07/2022 - 12:19
            +3

            @Vote for Pedro:

            proudly flies the strayan flag in his great wall dual cab ute.

            You better ask if he's rigged the cabin light to always-on. It's very unpatriotic to let the flag hang in darkness!

            • Vote for Pedro on 21/07/2022 - 12:21
              +2

              @abb: Ah yes, I called out another neighbour for disrespecting our flag like that. Has a flagpole but never brings it down.

              I was a prick. I said “you might be new to this country but are you aware that…”

              He was fuming

        • Drakesy on 20/07/2022 - 14:20
          +4

          Malcolm Turnbull acknowledged and actually tried to do something to mitigate climate change :)
          More than Tony abott etc.

      • Korban Dallas on 20/07/2022 - 10:00
        +4

        My uncle who is a mechanic and LNP voter is worried about Labor's death tax.

        • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 10:10

          Lolololol. Is he also worried about the 5Gs giving him the rona so bill gates can cultivate his cells for cthulu?

      • RefusdClassification on 20/07/2022 - 19:17
        +1

        I wish more people would wake up and realize that 'woman made global warming' is a hoax designed to line the pockets of the top end of town and punish the proletariat with constant price increases.

      • jerrus on 21/07/2022 - 10:33

        which makes the ban pointless?

        • Vote for Pedro on 21/07/2022 - 11:53
          +3

          Or a signal to the market to have investment certainty.

          Your electricity prices have skyrocketed because of the uncertain signals the commonwealth government sent over the last decade meaning private industry couldn’t make long term strategic investment decisions.

          • jerrus on 27/07/2022 - 21:57
            -1

            @Vote for Pedro: It is not a signal to the market it is an order/command that destroys the vast majority of the market. A signal would be subsidies or tax incentives (not that I support these either)

            I don't want to bite to hard on the electricity but the uncertainty in the market came from both state and the federal governements actions that again either distorted or destroyed the market. Having a clear signal to a bad market can cause very high electricity prices - see germany who has had a clear direction for several decades and has some of the highest prices in Europe.

      • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 16:57
        -1

        There's a difference between solar and electric cars in that one of them gained consumer preference naturally through free market choices and the other is being forced upon us.

        The reason solar became so popular is because the technology developed enough to convince people to buy it. That's the product of market innovation. When electric cars are forced onto everyone, manufacturers are not going to bother trying to steal market share or be the first to solve a problem. They'll just collect government grants and rely on people who are forced to buy the cars.

        • Vote for Pedro on 27/07/2022 - 17:05
          +1

          Ah yes, there was no signal to the market on solar. No subsidies. No enhanced feed in tariffs. No rebates. No incentives. No signals whatsoever.

          • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 17:09

            @Vote for Pedro: No bans or forced purchases.

            • Vote for Pedro on 27/07/2022 - 17:18

              @SlavOz: Transition. Kinda like CFCs. Government provided a signal to the market and the market responded. Probably shouldn’t have banned asbestos either. Should allow people a choice.

              We live in a democracy. If you don’t like the signal the elected government is providing, vote them out.

              Kinda like the signal the electorate gave to the coal carrying former pm.

              • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 18:07
                -4

                @Vote for Pedro: Once again, you don't understand how goods work. Your neighbour adopted solar, like myself, not because he wanted to save the planet or the government forced them to do so. It's because solar technology improved to the point where it made economic and practical sense to get it. Some of that was government grants, most of it was the private sector chasing profits via innovation.

                We see the same thing in other industries. When the government funds or mandates things, the manufacturers have no incentive to improve the product or even set any reasonable quality standards on it. The vaccine was a good example. God only knows how effective it could've been if we dangled billions of dollars in front of all the pharma corps and told them to battle it out. Instead, we signed a blank cheque for whatever they came up with after 7 months. Are we supposed to believe they didn't cut any corners and did everything possible to make it effective? That goes against decades of the progressives telling us that corporations do not have our best interest at heart and therefore must be regulated.

                If you really wanted EVs to succeed, you'd look at rhe evidence and beg the government to stay as far away as possible from them. This is the only way the technology will improve enough to actually make a difference in our environmental footprint. Having the government force it onto everyone won't work.

                Kinda like the signal the electorate gave to the coal carrying former pm.

                Your green energy saviour who won the election on the promise of reducing emissions has taken about 60 private charter flights since getting elected. I also note he hasn't switched his security convoy to electric cars - they're all still petrol operated, at his command.

                That Australians are too gullible to judge someone for their actions rather than words (or the words of the media) does not support your argument.

                • Vote for Pedro on 27/07/2022 - 19:06

                  @SlavOz: Rightio. Australians were wrong and you’re right.

                  • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 19:21

                    @Vote for Pedro: Something like that. I am not about to take advice from a country where the majority also thought White Australia was the way to go, or violating human rights in the name COVIDZero made sense. You and the rest of the mob trying to force your beliefs onto everyone, while your Elders don't even follow their own rules, will be eagerly met by my non-compliance.

                    Annoy me enough and I'll leave my car running on my driveway while I sleep, just to burn more emissions in your ozone.

                    • Vote for Pedro on 27/07/2022 - 19:23

                      @SlavOz: Yes. White Australia was wrong and we evolved. Treating LGBTQI+ in a different and discriminatory way was wrong and we moved on. ICE cars are the past and we’ll move on.

                      Though some wish to remain stuck in the ‘good old days’

                      • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 21:22
                        -1

                        @Vote for Pedro: Or maybe the majority were wrong about White Australia and the majority are also wrong about banning the only reliable form of transportation we currently have, causing mass human suffering and food shortages.

                        Our attempts at social engineering rarely work out and have only led to this country's darkest days, all in the name of the mob mentality.

                        • Vote for Pedro on 27/07/2022 - 21:25

                          @SlavOz: Or the previous majority realised the errors of their ways with coal and ICE and decided to be better.

                          Isn’t that the point, leaving it better than you found it

                          • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 21:33

                            @Vote for Pedro: The previous majority that ushered in ICE cars did not cause mass injustice and harm to society. ICE cars are one the most important pieces of technology of the last century. They have opened up our society to new possibilities and convenience like nothing else has.

                            Whatever happens, even if we all burn to a crisp tomorrow due to climate change, nobody can say ICE cars were a mistake. However there is a very real possibility that banning them will be a mistake. The risk is enormous and Australia is taking a massive gamble. If electric cars do not reach a similar level of reliability, or some other social or market factors make them untenable, we suddenly get pushed back into the stone age of transportation. The effects on society will be nothing short of a humanitarian crisis.

    • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2022 - 18:16
      +8

      GM are stopping production of ICE cars by 2035. If you want to stay petrol you might need to get a custom built car by then.

      • derrida derider on 20/07/2022 - 11:15
        +9

        All the major manufacturers, worldwide, have already ceased all further R&D for light ICE engines, and are spending their money trying to work out how to run their heavy engines on hydrogen or ammonia. All the European manufacturers (including VW group - the largest in the world) intend all new models to be all-electric well before 2035. The Chinese new car market - currently the largest in the world by some margin - is moving electric rapidly (already over a third of new car sales).

        By 2035 you won't even be able to get a custom built new ICE car. Of course it will be at least a decade after that before old ICE cars disappear off the road entirely - but petrol stations will become harder and harder to find. It is ICE owners who will suffer from range anxiety.

        • Dogsrule on 20/07/2022 - 17:40

          (including VW group - the largest in the world)

          Second largest.

          Unfortunately the largest vehicle manufacturer has been lobbying hard against fuel economy targets and BEV's.

        • SlavOz on 27/07/2022 - 17:05
          -2

          If this policy works out anything like the other cL1M4t3 cHanGe policies, I suspect only the working class peasants will need to drive electric cars and stop to charge them every few trips.

          Our Elders, aka the rich and politicians, will continue to swoosh past in their private convoy of petrol cars, telling us it's imperative that they be allowed to break the rules because "the experts we paid said so".

          And of course, can't forget anyone who has a problem with this double standard will be smeared by Dan Andrews' talking head as an anti-climate nutjob who doesn't trust the Science!

    • Hackney on 21/07/2022 - 09:32

      @PegaxsYou read my mind!

  • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 07:37
    +22

    And???? That’s a fair way off. I suspect by that point the majority of car sales will be electric anyway. They are projecting 80-90% by 2030.

    And who knows, maybe we’ll have 600km range with 10min recharge and a fast charger network that will mean all but the most serious outback travellers won’t want noisy, smelly ICE anyway.

  • Mokr on 19/07/2022 - 07:52
    +6

    Ten percent of new car sales in Germany are electric.

    Over fifty in some places.

    Aus is at less than one percent.

      • blocky27 on 19/07/2022 - 09:29
        +28

        Bro we're literally 16th: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/carbon-fo…

          • sheamas88 on 19/07/2022 - 09:35
            +23

            @Trying2SaveABuck: Now look at per-capita and see where Australia and Germany sit comparatively

            • dave999 on 20/07/2022 - 09:11
              -1

              @sheamas88: Per capita is not really a great way to compare for Australia, or anywhere.

              Australia exports huge amounts of mining and agriculture which produce huge amounts of CO2 but really that CO2 should be on the importing countries CO2 count, not Australia's (as the importing country is getting all the benefit/use of the product).

              It also should be net CO2 that is counted, not gross. Countries that have small populations but huge amounts of forest will be smaller net CO2 contributors than countries that have large populations in a small area.

              Not saying we should not be heading quickly to zero CO2 but data should be used correctly.

              • GrueHunter on 20/07/2022 - 21:34
                +8

                @dave999: Awesome, glad to hear you're happy for Australia to wear its share of China's emissions because of all the stuff they manufacture but we import

                • ThithLord on 21/07/2022 - 08:26
                  +1

                  @GrueHunter: lol got 'em

                • dave999 on 21/07/2022 - 09:17
                  +4

                  @GrueHunter:

                  Awesome, glad to hear you're happy for Australia to wear its share of China's emissions because of all the stuff they manufacture but we import

                  That's exactly right, we should - as we are responsible for those emissions.

                  We are doing nothing to reduce CO2 emissions by just moving high CO2 industries outside our borders - that achieves nothing. In fact in most cases it is worse because we are often more efficient than overseas, so moving those industries overseas just produces more CO2. It would look great on these completely useless gross CO2 emission charts, but nothing to reduce overall CO2 emissions or helping the environment.

                  The only thing that matters is reducing net CO2. In other words the only thing that matters is actually reducing CO2, not cherry picking data.

                • Yotta00 on 21/07/2022 - 19:44

                  @GrueHunter: Only 10 percent of China's CO2 emissions is related to exports. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra…

              • OzzyOzbourne on 21/07/2022 - 08:29

                @dave999: That's like saying it's not X county's fault for producing and selling drugs to country Y

          • blocky27 on 19/07/2022 - 09:35
            +1

            @Trying2SaveABuck: Hahahahaha.

            India number 1 again. Super power 2030

            • ZenderBing on 19/07/2022 - 16:51

              @blocky27: He put a wrong link for Films produced.
              your original link has India being #3 i.e. 1/5 of china and 1/2 of US.

          • Mistredo on 20/07/2022 - 20:11
            +4

            @Trying2SaveABuck: Why are you sharing a link that ranks countries by number of films produced based on data from 2010 in the discussion about carbon footprint in 2022?

      • sheamas88 on 19/07/2022 - 09:34
        +3

        Please show me the source that says AU is not in the top 100

      • Given on 22/07/2022 - 08:41

        Plants like CO2

  • Krankite on 19/07/2022 - 08:00
    +2

    Pointless posturing, Queanbeyan will make up for any difference. Any move like this needs to be a Federal decision.

    • derrida derider on 20/07/2022 - 11:19
      +3

      But car registration is entirely a matter for the states - the feds do not have the power to do it. The most they can do is try and talk all the states into moving together (generally by offering cash), as they do for ADRs and safety requirements. The ACT is silly to have done this without extracting some money from the feds in return "to help the transition".

  • SBOB on 19/07/2022 - 08:32
    +3

    We don't have any details on this plan or how it would be enforced

    quick, grab the pitchforks….

  • boomramada on 19/07/2022 - 08:44
    +1

    This could make the price of second hand ICE car go up in value, not everyone has spare 60K in their bank to upgrade their cars (even with the government grants). During the last hail damage, tons of people were struggled to replace their cars.

    ACT already have higher percentage of electric cars, as their pay is high, compare to other cities, works for some of those decision makers.

    And by 2030, there be other issues, demand for raw materials gonna go up.

  • Bid Sniper on 19/07/2022 - 08:51
    +7

    in terms of emissions small number of cars going round in circles for 15min isn't anything.

    any gains will be wiped by Summernats in a blaze of V8 glory /salutes flag

  • Hackney on 19/07/2022 - 08:55
    +6

    This would have come from the leader of the Greens, Shane Rattenbury. Labor would have had to agree to this as the Greens are in bed with Labor.Stupid Greens, they are just nut jobs.

    • pharkurnell on 19/07/2022 - 10:06
      -2

      Sadly everyone knew this… sadly people were blinded and voted for em…

      • GrueHunter on 20/07/2022 - 21:35
        +16

        Or we knew exactly what we were doing, and we're getting what we want.

        Suffer in your jocks.

        • idonotknowwhy on 21/07/2022 - 23:11
          +1

          Or we knew exactly what we were doing, and we're getting what we want.

          This seems more likely to me

    • whatgift on 20/07/2022 - 08:25
      +13

      They can see the future, like most other countries, and ICE cars are not in it.

    • dtoovey on 20/07/2022 - 11:34
      +3

      Dunno about that. ACT did a power output deal with Neon to buy the wind farm/tesla battery output, and is heading towards carbon neutral as fast as they can. Been mucking around with methane capture at the tip for years, put couple of big paddocks of panels in nearby, had the most generous solar feed-in tarrifs in Australia. So they have form over at least a deacde now.

    • derrida derider on 20/07/2022 - 11:36
      +6

      In the ACT the Greens hold the balance of power. Knowing some of the people in the ACT Greens - yes they are nut jobs (though not at all stupid ones). And I say this as an occasional Green voter elsewhere.

      But they are neither stupid nor nut jobs in this - the ACT is only leading where the other states will follow over the next few years. All of Europe and many states in the US already have this.

      Like it or not, EVs are taking over. In some parts of the world EVs are already as cheap as comparable ICE cars, and their price relative to ICE is still dropping quite quickly. By 2035 it will only be a handful of old buggers yearning for their V8 hoon youth who will want a new ICE car, and only the richest of them will be able to afford such an expensive and impractical toy (think the "old farts in Lamborghinis" market). I can't say I'll weep for them.

      • Hackney on 20/07/2022 - 12:43
        +1

        @derrida derider, that is the ‘dilemma’ that beholds Labor.Same with the Light rail.All greens policies.They control to much in the territory.

    • caitsith01 on 21/07/2022 - 17:02
      +1

      Facing reality = nut jobs, got it.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 19/07/2022 - 09:13
    -2

    Oz-ALP dont complain you wanted this

    • Vote for Pedro on 19/07/2022 - 16:44
      +12

      Who’s complaining?

      • smartazz104 on 20/07/2022 - 08:45
        +13

        A bunch of narrow-minded, backward-thinking luddites.

        • pformag on 20/07/2022 - 10:25
          -1

          Or people who can't afford 70k electric

          • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 11:12
            +5

            @pformag: Who wouldn’t be buying new cars anyway.

            • Dogsrule on 21/07/2022 - 09:11
              -1

              @Euphemistic: What? Last I checked there was a whole world of cars from $20-$70k that rack up nearly 1 million sales per year in Australia.

              Plenty of people buying $30k Corolla/Cerato/i30 etc.

          • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 13:07
            +8

            @pformag: The clairvoyant’s who know the prices of EV’s in 13 years?

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