Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) to Become Mandatory in All New Cars in The EU from July 2024

pegaxs on 07/07/2022 - 11:14

Looks like those crazy Euopeans are at it again… (And I thought we needed a break from "I received a fine…" and "I had a crash…" posts)

I made a previous post about the EU making suggestions about mandatory black box recorders for new vehicles. Well, it seems as though they have gone and raised the bar and are now making Intelligent Speed Assistance a thing.

"What is ISA?" you may well be asking. It is a system that relies on GPS and visual readings of road speed limit signs to "encourage" drivers to drive within the speed limits. This encouragement can come in a variety of levels, from an audible warning, to haptic feedback and finally the car's ECU taking over the throttle control and "pushing back" against the drivers attempt to go faster.

I see a few issues with this, namely my wife's Corolla has speed limit sign recognition, and let's face it, it's crap. I have been in areas that are obviously 50km/h and it still reads the last sign it saw at 80km/h, or, I have been entering onto the freeway and the car hasn't picked up on the 110km/h sign and still reads 80km/h. Imagine trying to ramp up to 110km/h and having the car fight you the whole time to keep you at what it thinks is the speed limit…

So, is this government over reach into our lives or is the population just getting so bad at driving that we need to hand over most of the driving functions to computers, or maybe this is just one step closer to autonomous vehicles where we are just merely a passenger and not a driver…

Another knock on effect that could happen is, with this technology, what are the police going to do when everyone's car is doing the speed limit?

Let me know, good idea, bad idea, Would you put up with a vehicle that wants to make too many decisions for you??

Poll Options

  • 150
    Great Idea. Will cut down on speeding.
  • 250
    Bad Idea. Government needs to get out of my car.
  • 27
    Meh. Don't care. I don't speed anyway.
  • 14
    Terrible Idea. It will affect how many new "I got fined" posts appear on OzB.
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Comments

  • harrywwc on 08/07/2022 - 17:41

    have a newish Mazda cx-3 (my20) with some audio-feedback about speed zones (and rail crossings and school zones) as well as icons on the display.

    The main problem is the cadence of the updates. As the council (or RMS) change the speed limits on various roads occasionally e.g. 60kph zone starts a few hundred meters before it used to, or a 90 zone becomes an 80 zone, the reading on the display can often be 'wrong', until the next update - maybe.

    It also doesn't have the smarts to know when school holidays are on, so, entering a school zone earlier today I was told "you are over the speed limit". (thanks MNaggy)

    I did test drive a more upmarket model, and its camera read the "truck 40kph" signs as a "school zone" and put on the HUD that I was (supposedly) in a 'school zone' (even though it was a main road in bushland) and then told me "you are over the speed limit".

    It's not perfect, but it can also be a useful prompter.

  • Odin on 08/07/2022 - 19:09

    Whoever makes a website/youtube about disabling this will get a lot of traffic.

  • mousie on 08/07/2022 - 20:27

    Should do a ps1 and put a mod chip in them

  • jakka on 08/07/2022 - 20:51
    +1

    I think they would be better off making people redo the knowledge test every 5 years and driving test every 10. In my opinion there are more accidents from drivers who do not know the rules, or are lacking basic skills.

    • Herbse on 09/07/2022 - 14:40

      Why bother. Cars will be self driving within 10 years.

  • saltypete on 08/07/2022 - 21:28
    +1

    What’s the problem? Roads are public places and speed limits set for generally good reasons. If speeding is so prevalent and there is a tech fix - why not? In any case, we are talking about OZ here, the place that cares so little for the health of the general public it accepts the worst polluting fuel and cars. The odd citizen getting squished by a speeding car is neither here or there to us….

  • CuteWittleCorgi on 09/07/2022 - 07:24
    +1

    You car doesn’t have this yet?

  • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 09:15

    Governments love the revenue speeding drivers bring in, my concern is what they are going to do if that revenue stream dries up.

    • Euphemistic on 09/07/2022 - 13:09

      Govt will Save a bunch on speed related crashes. Less hospital treatments, less ambulance and rescue, less crash barrier repairs etc etc.

      • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 17:02

        Road safety initiatives which are currently funded by speed fines won't suddenly stop but a very lucrative source of funding these initiatives will dry up, even if money is saved by less speed related accidents our already grossly underfunded hospitals and ambulance service won't have any of that money saved redirected back into road safety.

        So my concern is valid, how will the government continue to fund such road safety initiatives?

        • Euphemistic on 09/07/2022 - 17:21

          They’ll find a way. Struggling to find a ‘number’ for total state expenditure in NSW, but don’t imagine speeding fine revenue would be more than 1% of income.

          • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 18:03

            @Euphemistic: Of course they'll find a way and that's what I'm concerned about, if it isn't raised in another form they will have to cut it from an existing budget. 100% of speed fines is purportedly put back into road safety and related expenses, for NSW that was $201 million raised in 2021 and that's a pretty big budget to fill for a state every year.

            • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 21:38
              +1

              @shutuptakemymoney101: The whole "put back into safety and roads" thing is bullshit - they HAVE to spend money on safety and roads, regardless of fines. If you increase fines you can allocate existing money elsewhere. Pure marketing & accounting spin.

          • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 15:11

            @Euphemistic: It's in the NSW Budget Papers. ALL fines (including criminal ones) total just under 1.5% of revenue. Speed camera fines would be a minority of that - certainly much less than 1% of income. And you also have to take the cost of enforcement out of that.

            So those who claim its all about revenue raising are talking BS.

        • GrueHunter on 10/07/2022 - 14:33
          +1

          Parking fines. Red light fines. It's always easy to take money from stupid people.

      • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 17:41

        This costs the government a negligible amount of money, and if you really want to look at it this way, it's actually probably an economic positive when a crash happens, much like how sending someone to jail is a great economic stimulus.

  • Breno785au on 09/07/2022 - 11:24

    First the government want our bodies, now they want our cars.. What's left to take?

    /s

  • Herbse on 09/07/2022 - 14:40

    If you didn't see this happening, you've had your eyes closed.

  • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 17:40
    -4

    Hell no. My vehicle, my choice to do what I want with it. Technology is awesome but there are always going to be these side effects from those who think they should be completely involved in other peoples lives for literally no reason. Go away. Stop making technology bad.

    • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 18:12
      +2

      I'm interested in how far that extends for you. Would you be comfortable for your inexperienced 18 year old son and/or daughter to throw a leg over a GSX1300 Hayabusa with a top speed of 300+ kph for arguments sake or is it their vehicle their choice?

      • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 21:36
        +1

        Their vehicle their choice. You can buy kitchen knives at 18. You can own a gun at 18. Both of those are just as lethal as a car being driven fast. Discretion is the key.

        Also if you're talking about specifically my 18 year old? Hell yes, you can bet for sure by that age I've taught them to be responsible for their own actions.

        • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 22:16

          Interesting thanks for sharing, you are very trusting of your children. It's a good thing kids never speed and always do as their parents say ;-)

          • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 22:20

            @shutuptakemymoney101: Like, yes, genuinely. I don't know how you raise your children but I am literally 100% confident in that. They are responsible young adults.

            But that is literally beside the point. Are we going to be removing from everyone's possession absolutely every thing that could ever cause harm? Or should we just - you know - do laws that people follow, like has worked for a very long time. This Orwellian obsession people have is just gross.

            • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 22:33

              @Scantu: A lot of kids think they are bulletproof and have an inflated view of their own capabilities, I hope your trust in your child/children doesn't turn out to be misguided.

              Being a normal road user have you ever come across anyone on the road driving at a speed well over the posted limit and in excess of the given conditions?

              • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 23:19

                @shutuptakemymoney101: Of course it isn't. Raise your children properly I don't see how other peoples failures are my issue.

                Yes. It's not a relevant consideration, though. Crimes are crimes, that's the point. Someone else doing a crime doesn't warrant an interference with me, especially at such a bizarre intervention like a very restrictive technical system that isn't needed in the first place on something I own, that I don't want.

                • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 23:37

                  @Scantu: I'll say it a little less elegantly this time, kids are kids and I hope for their sake yours don't end up making a fool out of you.

                  Completely relevant discussion because we all share the same roads and someone else's behaviour can directly impact on other road users lives.

                  A technical system would help ensure that this sort of risky behaviour is minimised or removed, you say someone else doing a 'crime' doesn't warrant an interference with you, perhaps you don't fully understand the risk we all face from other drivers each time we get into a motor vehicle?

                  • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 23:41

                    @shutuptakemymoney101:

                    I'll say it a little less elegantly this time, kids are kids and I hope for their sake yours don't end up making a fool out of you.

                    Say it whichever way you like, what you're saying is invalid so it has no effect on me regardless. Pure projection.

                    Just as I don't support an electronic exosuit being fitted to every human to stop them punching, kicking, stabbing, raping or what have you another human, I don't support a government controlled device being added to something I own to inappropriately dictate how I drive.

        • Ughhh on 10/07/2022 - 11:27

          Hell yes, you can bet for sure by that age I've taught them to be responsible for their own actions.

          It seems you're only taking it from the view of 'protecting society from your kids'. When it's also protecting your kids from society.

          Good on ya for raising good kids, unfortunately you don't have control over what other people may inflict on your kids.

          • Scantu on 10/07/2022 - 12:02

            @Ughhh: So, we're just taking choices away from people with no good reasons though? I can think of many, many things you do day to do where you have the option to seriously maim someone.

            These types of measures only make people "perceive" safety because of some type of positive-action bias, whereas in reality they are totally uncalled for and don't help anyone.

            • Ughhh on 10/07/2022 - 13:40

              @Scantu:

              So, we're just taking choices away from people with no good reasons though?

              There's bad choices that affect others, and bad choices that only affect you. Do what you want to harm yourself, no one cares, but don't drag others into it.

              I can think of many, many things you do day to do where you have the option to seriously maim someone.

              And there are control measures/consequences in place for those actions.

              Not saying the solution in the thread is perfect, nothing is.
              For me personally, honestly, I want zero speed limits and rules, so I can go full GTA. But I have a feeling you'll have a problem with me doing that on your street…even though it'll be my vehicle, my choice.

              • Scantu on 10/07/2022 - 14:43

                @Ughhh: These types of measures only make people "perceive" safety because of some type of positive-action bias, whereas in reality they are totally uncalled for and don't help anyone.

                For me personally, honestly, I want zero speed limits and rules, so I can go full GTA. But I have a feeling you'll have a problem with me doing that on your street…even though it'll be my vehicle, my choice.

                Absence of direct rules is not the same thing as "operate with immunity". There are consequences for actions that cause harm to, or are highly likely to cause harm to others without direct rules.

                The road rules in Australia generally are indeed to strict, by virtue of the States not being allowed to raise their own taxes so they need to find other uniform ways to do it. Then everyone protects it as its a "moral" virtue, whereas in reality its about raising revenue. It's a cancerous system that is detrimental to actual safety.

    • mirovich on 09/07/2022 - 21:14

      Yea it’s your car but you’re driving on common roads.

      • Scantu on 09/07/2022 - 21:37

        … and that's why I obey the road rules. You know that literally all of our laws revolve around people following them right?

        And also the car is sometimes used on common roads when I choose to yes, sometimes not. Not your business to install stuff in my car either way.

        • mirovich on 10/07/2022 - 10:00

          If everyone follow the rules, then we would have far less accidents. Good for you being responsible but you will be surprised how many (profanity) on the road lack common sense.

          We don’t live in perfect world, hence government need to take drastic measures to keep most of us safe. We are lucky enough to have a democracy to elect sensible leaders.

          If you want “freedom”, then move to US. You can own gun and drive like a maniac.

          • Scantu on 10/07/2022 - 11:18

            @mirovich: You are creating a false sense of security for yourself and nothing more, this isn't something that makes people more safe, just more dumb if anything. Popularly elected people clamping down on freedoms that don't impact others is not a good thing.

            The USA does have some advantages yes for sure, things that we don't have like the guarantee of due process etc.

            You're so stockholm-syndromed by shite Australian laws that you think not being fined 1k for not wearing a seatbelt, which is none of anyone elses business, is "driving like a maniac".

  • mirovich on 09/07/2022 - 21:16
    +1

    There will be major loss in revenue from fines if government decided to do that.

    • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 22:20

      That's my feeling too, how they are going to replace the money when this revenue source is restricted is my concern. Guess we can expect heavier enforcement in other areas or new taxes.

  • juzza87 on 10/07/2022 - 10:30

    Just enter the cheat code to disable it; accelerate, accelerate, brake, brake, steer left, steer right, steer left, steer right, wipers on, headlights on.

  • BatmanAU on 10/07/2022 - 10:32

    Car computers would blow up and melt down if they use this in Brisbane with all the constant speed changes every five and a half seconds, bloody ridiculous Government road directions, or just a good money grab

  • conza on 10/07/2022 - 14:26

    Alarming that this isn't one sided to 'get the government out of my car'. So it begins.

  • Mistredo on 10/07/2022 - 15:26
    -1

    Imagine trying to ramp up to 110km/h and having the car fight you the whole time to keep you at what it thinks is the speed limit…

    If you would read the document you linked you would know it is not the case. It will give you a bit of feedback that is easy to ignore.

    The document even starts with it

    The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.

    Most new cars already come with this kind of stuff and manufacturers charge extra for it. EU just wants to make sure all cars are equipped with it and not just the expensive ones.

  • Euphemistic on 22/07/2022 - 11:19
    -2

    Followed a bus the other day and my speed recognition camera picked up the 40 on the back of the bus in a 70 zone.

  • Odin on 23/07/2022 - 13:28

    Can't wait to hack this

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