Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) to Become Mandatory in All New Cars in The EU from July 2024

pegaxs on 07/07/2022 - 11:14

Looks like those crazy Euopeans are at it again… (And I thought we needed a break from "I received a fine…" and "I had a crash…" posts)

I made a previous post about the EU making suggestions about mandatory black box recorders for new vehicles. Well, it seems as though they have gone and raised the bar and are now making Intelligent Speed Assistance a thing.

"What is ISA?" you may well be asking. It is a system that relies on GPS and visual readings of road speed limit signs to "encourage" drivers to drive within the speed limits. This encouragement can come in a variety of levels, from an audible warning, to haptic feedback and finally the car's ECU taking over the throttle control and "pushing back" against the drivers attempt to go faster.

I see a few issues with this, namely my wife's Corolla has speed limit sign recognition, and let's face it, it's crap. I have been in areas that are obviously 50km/h and it still reads the last sign it saw at 80km/h, or, I have been entering onto the freeway and the car hasn't picked up on the 110km/h sign and still reads 80km/h. Imagine trying to ramp up to 110km/h and having the car fight you the whole time to keep you at what it thinks is the speed limit…

So, is this government over reach into our lives or is the population just getting so bad at driving that we need to hand over most of the driving functions to computers, or maybe this is just one step closer to autonomous vehicles where we are just merely a passenger and not a driver…

Another knock on effect that could happen is, with this technology, what are the police going to do when everyone's car is doing the speed limit?

Let me know, good idea, bad idea, Would you put up with a vehicle that wants to make too many decisions for you??

Poll Options

  • 150
    Great Idea. Will cut down on speeding.
  • 250
    Bad Idea. Government needs to get out of my car.
  • 27
    Meh. Don't care. I don't speed anyway.
  • 14
    Terrible Idea. It will affect how many new "I got fined" posts appear on OzB.
Automotive

Comments

  • Hackney on 07/07/2022 - 11:28
    +5

    This is going to open a ‘can of worms’!Not to fond of this idea!Should imagine this will not go down well in Germany, we’re the Autobahns are unrestricted speed limit.

    • freefall101 on 07/07/2022 - 11:39
      +7

      Autobahn has a recommended speed limit of 130 and there are insurance implications for going over that, pretty much a do at your own risk. ISA is much like that too.

      Automated driving will be the norm one day, computers will eventually be better drivers than humans since they can have more senses, not get distracted, not get drunk and crash their brand new Jaguar because they think they've made it being the shadow AG of Victoria. Slow introductions like this is a good idea, to get people more and more used to it. If it can save lives all the better, we don't have some kind of constitutional right to drive however we feel like.

    • jjjaar on 07/07/2022 - 12:04
      +1

      It’s not every autobahn that is unrestricted.

        • Euphemistic on 08/07/2022 - 17:38
          +5

          Speed doesn’t kill. Sudden deceleration does. Speed just increases the risk of having an incident where sudden deceleration occurs and increases the amount of energy that deceleration transfers to a body.

          • banana365 on 08/07/2022 - 18:03

            @Euphemistic: Speeding also removes you from the mass of predictable road users. Road users expect others to behave in certain ways. Once you start behaving in unusual ways (through any form of poor driving) you've increased the chances of causing an incident.

          • LFO on 09/07/2022 - 16:14
            -3

            @Euphemistic:

            Sudden deceleration does

            Actually stopping kills, the sudden stop, not deceleration.
            Parachuting players know that. From free fall to gentle fall. And they survive.

            Counting the number of negs my sarcasm went badly misunderstood.
            How do I dare question government revenue collection.

            • Euphemistic on 09/07/2022 - 17:01
              +2

              @LFO: And what is stopping, but sudden deceleration. Greater the speed before, greater the damage.

              • LFO on 09/07/2022 - 22:05
                -1

                @Euphemistic: Deceleration does not imply stopping.

                Free fall and then parachuted deceleration but it is not stopping.
                Two different states.
                One implies movement the other is static.

                • Euphemistic on 09/07/2022 - 23:52
                  +2

                  @LFO: You also don’t need to stop to decelerate hard enough to cause injury. Run into the back of a truck moving at 40km/h at a speed of 140km/h is a sudden deceleration that would likely kill you that doesn’t involve stopping.

                  Stopping is changing from your initial speed decelerating it to zero. The quicker you change your speed, the more damage. The sudden change of speed requires some sort of force which causes a squishy body to deform. Your body can with stand a few g of deceleration. Much more and you’re in trouble.

                  But it’s largely semantics.

                  • Kangal on 10/07/2022 - 10:26
                    +1

                    @Euphemistic: It works the other way too.
                    That's why Space Travel is difficult because the rockets have to gradually add the forward acceleration. If it's too sudden then you also get "cosmonaut smoothie" or at the least serious injuries.

                    • LFO on 10/07/2022 - 10:37
                      -2

                      @Kangal:

                      That's why Space Travel is difficult because the rockets have to gradually add the forward acceleration.

                      It is gravitational forces the culprit, not speed nor forward acceleration.
                      Gravitational forces drag you down into zero.

                      • Euphemistic on 10/07/2022 - 12:36
                        +1

                        @LFO: It’s not gravitational forces that cause most of the problem, have you never seen the astronauts floating in the ISS? There isn’t much gravitational effect up in space.

                        Firing boosters moves the spaceship, the astronauts stay out and crash into the back of the spaceship if they aren’t strapped in.

                  • LFO on 10/07/2022 - 10:35
                    -2

                    @Euphemistic:

                    Stopping is changing from your initial speed decelerating it to zero

                    Yes but decelerating does not imply stopping.

                    Similar to posting here that implies to be acceleratingly and copiously negated but will not stopping.

                    • Euphemistic on 10/07/2022 - 12:33
                      +1

                      @LFO: But you don’t need to stop to receive an injury from sudden change in velocity.

                      • LFO on 11/07/2022 - 12:30

                        @Euphemistic:

                        But you don’t need to stop to receive an injury from sudden change in velocity.

                        Well, you don’t need a sudden change in velocity to receive an injury either.

                        Also unlikely to get injured by going from 120 to 20kmh

                        C'mon, say it "it is the sudden stop what kills"

                        By the way, good neg'ing. Fan Club paid off at the end.

                        • Euphemistic on 11/07/2022 - 15:41

                          @LFO:

                          Also unlikely to get injured by going from 120 to 20kmh

                          That just depends how fast you decelerate. As example above if you hit a truck that is at 20km/h and you’ve been travelling at 120km/h you are pretty likely to get injured.

                          Or go stand in front of a moving bus, the injury occurs when you suddenly move from stopped to 60km/h stuck to the front of the bus.

                          C'mon, say it "it is the sudden stop what kills"

                          Pretty sure sayings aren’t an accurate description of physics.

                          • LFO on 12/07/2022 - 11:24
                            -1

                            @Euphemistic:

                            you hit a truck that is at 20km/h and you’ve been travelling at 120km/h you are pretty likely to get injured.

                            Well you are actually stopping when hitting the truck.
                            The truck will always be on your face, as when stopping.
                            If the truck or the planet earth moves does not not impliy you have not stopped.

                            Gosh, talking about an accurate description of physics!

                            • SBOB on 12/07/2022 - 11:35

                              @LFO:

                              talking about an accurate description of physics!

                              you're calling stopped when a 'body' in motion goes from 120km/h to 20km/h… not sure you want to be using the word 'accurate' in your description of physics if that is your logic

                              The ground speed is the reference in the given example as that is what your velocity is in reference against.
                              You go from 120km/h to 20km/h by running into the back of a moving object at 20km/h, the resulting forces are due to a change in velocity from 120km/h to 20km/h. You dont 'stop'. Your frame of reference goes from 120km/h to 20km/h

                              Change the numbers to make the example easier….. If the truck was going 119km/h and you hit it at 120km/h…. Do you stop, or does your velocity decrease (and resulting impact force) by 1km/h?

                            • Euphemistic on 12/07/2022 - 11:44

                              @LFO: No. You don’t stop if the other item is moving at 20km/h. You end up going at 20km/h (plus whatever change in speed you cause the truck by adding 120km/h worth of energy from your mass). You decelerate by 100km/h almost instantly, you don’t stop.

                              FWIW I have only applied one neg vote to any of your replies here.

                        • SBOB on 11/07/2022 - 18:10

                          @LFO:

                          Also unlikely to get injured by going from 120 to 20kmh

                          the time of deceleration is important.
                          How can you argue about the resulting forces on an object from a change in speed, unless you include the time period for that change

                          120km/h to 20km/h over the period of an hour… thats slow
                          in 0.5 sec, well…thats a force of ~5.5g

    • Dslrfirst on 08/07/2022 - 10:18
      +1

      Should apply to posts in this forum that have sPelin/GRama mistakes.

    • CalmLemons on 08/07/2022 - 23:54
      +1

      Think the whole idea is to prevent guys doing 140km/h in 100km/h or 60km/h zones.

      Like that jackass who was doing 130km/h on the west gate and clipped the truck.

  • avoidfullprice on 07/07/2022 - 11:37
    +4

    is the population just getting so bad at driving that we need to hand over most of the driving functions to computers

    Based on this forum, we need TCAS on every old and new car to deal with car A or B right polls…

    • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 11:56

      i don't think i've ever seen a post on here where speed was a factor in an accident, it's always they weren't looking where they were going, or someone didn't know the road rules etc

      the only posts that had anything to with speeding were the ones about the fines

      • avoidfullprice on 08/07/2022 - 17:08

        I take you reply to my comment is because you agree with me we should have a TCAS on cars? TCAS avoids accident by deciding where two plane goes, whereas ISA is speeding related.

  • SBOB on 07/07/2022 - 11:38
    +16

    not sure 'fighting' is overstating it enough ;)

    The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.

    having the car fight you the whole time

    it will push the driver’s foot gently back to make the driver aware and help to slow down. The driver can ignore this feedback and override the system by pushing slightly harder on the acceleration pedal

    Having seen the quality of drivers out there, the more smarts within cars the better.
    Even a Haval is likely smarter than the average driver these days ;)

    most people leave them on, and those that dont can easily push a button to disable (eg lane assist, smart cruise ctrl etc)

  • MS Paint on 07/07/2022 - 11:40
    +5

    what are the police going to do when everyone's car is doing the speed limit?

    Start attending civil matters for scams (but only gumtree issues that are raised in ozbargain forums).

    They will be run off their feet again.

    Also, where is the confirmation bias poll option?

  • Mokr on 07/07/2022 - 11:42
    +8

    Just means cars are more expensive for the working class

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:35
      +2

      no, not just that.
      Also (if well implemented) means vehicles behaving more rationally on roads, making it a safer and less frustrating place to be.
      and less accidents, less deaths, cheaper insurance….

  • pharkurnell on 07/07/2022 - 11:46
    +11

    While the law does recommend drivers be able to switch off ISA “when a driver experiences false warnings or inappropriate feedback as a result of inclement weather conditions, temporarily conflicting road markings in construction zones, or misleading, defective or missing road signs,”

    ok … so 99.99999% of roads in Oz

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:37
      -1

      This is the problem. I totally agree this is the future, but we aren't there yet.

  • Drakesy on 07/07/2022 - 11:49
    +3

    I'm ok with the indication of speed limit on the display, the number of times i've missed a speed change, google maps has the wrong speed limit listed, or i've just been caught out on the highway.

    Taking control of the speed though is a bit extreme, there'll always be a way to override it in an emergency situation.

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:44
      -1

      I remember last century discussing the need for cruise control to be smarter. I was told that cruise would never interfere with braking, as it would be too dangerous.
      Finally people have seen the light and active cruise is so much better.

      Ultimately we'll get councils and transport departments to lift their game so that vehicles can get reliable information, then we don't want it turned off.
      In my future, I'd like to see driver's need to lodge an explanation if they override the vehicle's controls, so that manufacturers can examine any shortcomings and/ or the driver can get a ticket.

      We need to take some functions away from average (and below average) drivers: merging onto highways, changing lanes, highway overtaking lanes,…

      • Hangryuman on 09/07/2022 - 18:13

        'active cruise is so much better'

        yeah I loved it with a rental car in Germany - with stop'n'go, I could set the cruise to 220kph, and it would automatically do that auf den Autobahnen when traffic allowed, slow with vehicles in front, and stop as required at roadworks, then automatically start off again as available - I could go for hours without touching any pedal

        I believe Toyota's 'active' cruise requires repressing the throttle or something after stopping ?

        and only a few models like VW, Merc, BMW in Australia actually have the full no-touch stop'n'go cruise control as I enjoyed - frankly I wouldn't bother with anything less.

        the one annoyance was turning off tight off-ramps where a slow vehicle in the other lane would come into view of the narrow radar, which would be interpreted as my lane, whereupon it would slam on the brakes hard - I had to learn to turn off cruise control on tight bend offramps.

        • ozbargainsam on 09/07/2022 - 18:18

          My 2015 Mazda is the same with the 'no-touch' active cruise. On the same car, you also override the braking part of active cruise just by lightly applying throttle.

        • SlickMick on 09/07/2022 - 19:17

          The Kia requires accelerator or restart cruise after a complete stop. I agree I'd prefer auto restart, but I can imagine the problem of the driver forgetting the car is still in drive and is in the backseat or glove compartment or something when the car in front turns and allows yours to enter an intersection.

  • roguescholar on 07/07/2022 - 11:50
    +1

    As long as there's training to understand the feedback given by the car, and will the feedback be standardised across manufacturers?
    Also there's a problem with people losing driving and awareness skills and relying on automatic systems.

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:49

      People here aren't going to like it, but driver monitoring is also required.

      Too many lives are taken by inattentive drivers (this doesn't just apply to autonomous vehicles, but will surely get worse).

  • Nalar on 07/07/2022 - 11:53
    +10

    This WILL be used to void your insurance.

    "I see you've scraped your door in a parking Garage, but the system here is showing you speeding 3 days ago so we are going to cancel your insurance."

    Also isn't Tesla already doing a black box kind of thing already? https://thedriven.io/2021/10/08/tesla-insurance-will-change-…

    • avoidfullprice on 07/07/2022 - 11:57

      What? How does that void insurance?

      Even at fault, you pay excess and claim insurance.

      • Nalar on 07/07/2022 - 15:37
        +1

        If you are provably speeding, and cause an accident, your insurance will wash their hands of you.

        So it follows that If you have a device that shows that you regularly break the law while driving, an insurance company will def use it as an excuse get out of paying.

        • shutuptakemymoney101 on 09/07/2022 - 09:12

          Pretty sure kids in the UK can opt to have a 'black box' installed which tracks their speed in order to get a reduced insurance premium.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 11:58

    i wouldn't put up with it, in fact i still have to go and turn off the speedometer in my dashcam as it is about 10 ks off what my speedo is saying, but if i ever got in an accident, the insurance could look at it and say i was speeding, when my speedo would be reading 10 ks lower.

    • MS Paint on 07/07/2022 - 12:19
      +4

      Or is your car speedometer 10k off the real GPS speed?

      • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 12:51

        no idea, but speedo doesn't get recorded.

        speedo shouldn't be off (GPS reads about 10ks higher than speedo, so 100 on speedo would be 110 ~ on GPS) as it's supposed to read faster than you're actually going, not slower.

        • MS Paint on 07/07/2022 - 12:55
          +1

          That doesn't make sense. Cheers

          • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 12:59
            +1

            @MS Paint: https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/why-your-speedo-is-wro…

            speedo shouldn't be indicating a speed slower than i'm actually going, for example it should not say i'm going 100 if i'm going 110

            it is allowed to say that i'm going faster than i am actually going, for example it's allowed to say i'm going 110 when i'm only going 100

            i made a mistake in other comment, i meant that speedo shouldn't be off in that direction (reading slower than i'm actually going)

            though having read that, my car is pre 2006 so i'm not sure if it has to follow the new rules

            • nigel deborah on 08/07/2022 - 20:05

              @[Deactivated]: That's very odd, GPS isn't perfect but it shouldn't ever be consistently reading x km/hr above your true speed, rather fluctuating up and down. The nature of GPS and how it calculates position means it's very unlikely to consistently overestimate your speed. Also can't see any plausible reason the dashcam manufacturer would intentionally increase the displayed speed. All of that said, I'd image you'd have been getting a lot of tickets if your speedo really was reading 10km/hr under.

              Probably be a good idea to check your true speed using mile markings and a stopwatch.

              • [Deactivated] on 09/07/2022 - 03:29

                @nigel deborah: from what i've heard, Tas police are a lot more lax about traffic violations than the mainland, and we only have a few speed cameras around, maybe i've just been lucky if my speedo really is reading 10 ks less than i'm going,

                having said that, if my speedo really is reading incorrectly, then the majority of people around me are speeding, as most either keep up or go faster. i admit i've had a few times when i just could not be bothered being stuck behind some idiot who constantly fluctuates their speed between 110 and 90 so i've sped to get past them and stay ahead as they always sped up when we got to double lanes, but then when i've been going that fast, i've had people going past me at even higher speeds, i swear one guy i saw in a dual cab had to have been doing at least 130

            • Mistredo on 09/07/2022 - 16:50

              @[Deactivated]: Try to use your phone with Waze and see if it reads more as well.

      • forged on 07/07/2022 - 15:02

        Aftermarket wheels/tyres with increased diameter…?

  • tamckinnon on 07/07/2022 - 11:59
    +1

    Q. Another knock on effect that could happen is, with this technology, what are the police going to do when everyone's car is doing the speed limit?

    I was thinking, what if the insurers get a hold of this data; for the safe drivers whom are able to maintain the speed limit they pay the regular rate and then have a risk based system for drivers who exceed speed limits.

    Or, my current insurer requires I specify how many times per week I drive to work/train station and if I drive in peak times etc. If it's a automatic calculation (weekly) great but if they have any wiggle room not to pay, they won't.

    • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 14:35

      Gee, which insurer is that? I'll get a quote from them for my car, which does hardly any k's in traffic. I've long wanted insurance premiums that tries to adjust for how much distance in traffic it covers.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 12:01

    With Australias shit roads and even shittier drivers it may cut down on all the drunks going double the speed limit.

    • cameldownunder on 07/07/2022 - 12:31

      And that's another one: Car starts only after Alcohol Breaths Test by the car.

  • cameldownunder on 07/07/2022 - 12:30
    +1

    If it's GPS based, I wonder how many GPS blockers will be sold and used on those cars ….

    • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2022 - 12:52
      +1

      could probably just remove the unit altogether, people do DPF deletes on current diesels to improve them, it's not legal but cops probably don't know what to look for, or to look out for it at all.

      • nigel deborah on 08/07/2022 - 20:06
        +2

        If you're doing DPF deletes and you live (or drive) in a residential area you're a genuinely bad person. Even if you hate Greta, you're still (profanity) up people's lungs.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/07/2022 - 03:25
          +2

          haven't got a diesel mate

    • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 14:38

      You'll find that if you have an accident and the GPS is deliberatley blocked your insurance company is going to be very reluctant to pay your claim.

      The "compulsory black box" law is as much for the benefit of the insurance companies (and their safer driving clients) as anything else.

  • SF3 on 07/07/2022 - 13:30
    +3

    Sounds like a "solution first" to whatever problem they are trying to solve.

    It's how a lot of those people get promoted, but they won't be around (because they succeeded in delivering this solution, and moved into another better role) when this solution tanks.

  • krazek on 07/07/2022 - 13:34
    +7

    You're driving along and some hooligan is trying to ram you off the road because you cut him off not long ago, you hit the accelerator hard to avoid his ram attempts but this system comes online and forces you to slow down. The other car ends up slamming you and you veer off the road and smash into a light pole.

    • SF3 on 07/07/2022 - 15:10

      you need to be part of the consultation committee.

    • Euphemistic on 07/07/2022 - 15:37
      -1

      Has that actually ever happened to anyone.

    • HelpMeiCantSee on 08/07/2022 - 08:13
      -3

      Or you can not drive like a dick?

    • thanatos350 on 08/07/2022 - 16:19
      +6

      I know a lot of people may disagree with me, but there are certainly times where speeding is the safer option.

      I drive a lot for work, and often on shitty, narrow lanes with a lot of truck traffic. These guys often swerve, invade your lane, or come close to hitting you. Slowing down to create distance isn't always the best option, and at those times, it's better to speed for a few seconds to get away.

    • Diesmile on 09/07/2022 - 17:03

      Quite the opposite. The hooligan is trying to ram you, but these new ISA will slow him down, so you will smile and drive on.

      • Che0063 on 10/07/2022 - 12:17

        I wish I was smart enough to think of comebacks like these

    • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 14:41
      +1

      Completely misses the point. These systems WARN the driver if they're speeding (via haptic feedback, an alarm, whatever). They prevent unintentional speeding, not deliberate speed.

  • trustnoone on 07/07/2022 - 14:49
    +2

    Not sure I super agree with it, maybe if the solution was to give you a heads up on speed or something I get it. I would actually love an official thing to tell me what the speed limit is on the road I'm on. But as someone who lives regionally a lot of the time, most of those GPS stuff suck. They miss so many roads, basically never get updated and many times will calculate weirdly. My house legit doesn't even appear on Google Maps, and I've tried some GPS that don't have it.

    Then comes the auto speed, typically after some time I see many electronics in cars start to fail, to me this feels like another point of failure in 5/10 years time. I also imagine it would need to be updated very regularly, again living in the country you don't get much internet going around.

    Then is the problem where it sort of tries to slow you down as well. This is another problem I see, due to the long roads I've had trucks up my ass going +110KMH (legal limit is +100KMH I think for trucks?) as many have strict deadlines. Last thing I want is for a random slow down at a speed sign they may or may not be updated or broken or removed while infront of a road train.

    I get the idea on paper, but I would imagine theres even more problems then I came up with for real life use.

    • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 14:48

      These systems only ever give you a "heads up on speed", though admittedly they are sharper about it than just a beep (eg vibrate the throttle pedal, a voice calling out "speed speed speed"). It's the same approach as used in aviation (stick shakers, terrain and collision avoidance systems, etc). They don't slow you down in an emergency.

      All they really do is get rid of the "sorry officer I didn't know I was speeding" excuse. And get fewer whinging "I woz fined by a revenue raiser and it aint fair" posts on Ozbargain.

  • Euphemistic on 07/07/2022 - 14:56
    +2

    I have been entering onto the freeway and the car hasn't picked up on the 110km/h sign and still reads 80km/h.

    I’ve had the reverse. Travelling along the freeway at 110 and the car picks up the off ramp sign at 70, then doesn’t revert to 110 until the next sign.
    Although, I could conceive a GPS mapping enabled system, not a dumb sign reader, would work out quickly that you didn’t take the off ramp.

    • Miss B on 09/07/2022 - 01:08
      +3

      I would prefer if it parked them on the side of the road. If they already can't handle driving I don't really want them going any faster.

  • lainey13 on 07/07/2022 - 19:27
    +3

    I'd like to see such a system cope with the school zones and term dates, as well as the blanket 50km in residential areas.

    • pharkurnell on 08/07/2022 - 09:56

      or those roadworks sites where the speed limit changes 56 times in 5 kms…

  • mapax on 07/07/2022 - 20:00
    +7

    This will only make people less capable at driving as they start to rely on the aid to tell them to slow down instead of them paying attention to their surroundings. Kind of like how a heap of idiots can no longer reverse a vehicle unless it has a reverse camera.

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:56
      +1

      Last century's skills.

    • GrueHunter on 08/07/2022 - 16:17
      +5

      Tell us more about your blacksmith's workshop granddad and how the world has gone downhill since nobody knows how to shoe their own horses anymore

  • Bristhrifty on 08/07/2022 - 07:14

    I already have ISA on my car. It's not that big a deal really. When it's on it will try to slow you down by limiting acceleration to bring you down to the speed limit but you can override it by accelerating more. The cameras that detect speed limit signs are incredible accurate, I was really surprised. The main problem is things like school zones where it thinks it's 40 all the time. GWM Cannon L ute.

  • garddn on 08/07/2022 - 08:02
    +4

    All part of the great reset. You will have a carbon emissions passport. You will have an annual limit and everything you do will be tracked, from the food you eat to the type of transport you use. Once you use your annual quota you can purchase carbon credits or go without. They will also tax you per km travelled.
    And if you don't comply they can shut down your car.
    No, it's not a good idea.

    • SlickMick on 08/07/2022 - 08:58
      +4

      You should write a book. Maybe call it 2084. Everyone will be saying what a prophet you were.
      or not.

    • dvsbastard on 08/07/2022 - 15:23
      +2

      They will also tax you per km travelled.

      They already do that by taxing fuel (the more you travel, the more you need, the more tax you pay). And if you don't put fuel in your car, your car will shut down!

    • GrueHunter on 08/07/2022 - 16:13
      +2

      oh god, what next

      they'll start taxing income, and the more we earn, the more they'll tax us
      and then they'll start taxing consumption so you can't hide money
      and then they'll start taxing petrol so there's a link between how much you pay and how much you drive
      and we'll have some sort of "tax file number" and a big government agency to keep track of it all
      and we'll have special cards with the mark of the be…I mean, special chips to spend money
      and we'll willingly carry electronic trackers in our pockets that connect to the phone network

      oh wait it's been like that for decades

    • RefusdClassification on 09/07/2022 - 19:06
      -1

      Oh course these limits won't apply to the Brahmin left (ALP/Green politicians + Unioned government employees + academia). They will continue to fly everywhere in private or chartered planes and drive huge luxury SUVs and live in climate controlled mansions.

      • GrueHunter on 10/07/2022 - 14:30

        Would you like me to start posting links to examples of your conservative mates winging it around the country and around the world on the taxpayer's dollar or do you think you can google it?

        Or is Google too MSM for you champ?

        Here's a start because thick people also tend to be lazy. Before you start going all "hurr durr left wing bias":

        • Albo is on the list
        • Michael West's dad was the principal of Trinity Grammar and for most of his career he worked for the Fin Review, the Australian and the SMH - not exactly over on my side of the fence.
  • HG Dendrobium on 08/07/2022 - 08:36

    I have a mazda 2022, it has navigation with speed display and its pretty accurate, as soon as i pass the speed sign(or enter a different speed zone), the display changes.

  • bamzero on 08/07/2022 - 09:53

    Won't work with the current revenue model here though…

  • dvsbastard on 08/07/2022 - 15:20

    I love that my car displays the speed limit on my cluster and flashes when I exceed it by 5km/h - I wouldn't mind if the steering wheel gave a small vibration but I wouldn't want anything more intrusive than that.

  • apple2016 on 08/07/2022 - 15:31

    All the issues you have stated are going to exist in existing tech like Tesla's autopilot. still it has not stopped people from using it.

  • GordonD on 08/07/2022 - 16:12

    With all the prophets of doom here predicting what it will be like in the future, here's something that has already arrived.

    Certain places in the US already have smart number plates. Instead of being stamped with your car's registration number they display it on a screen. They are also GPS and mobile phone network connected. So you can set them up to display, say, your company's logo. But also, if your car is stolen then it can display that it is so everyone, including any passing police, can see that immediately and stop the car, or report its location if it is dumped so it can be recovered quickly. Everyone's waiting for someone to figure out how to hack them. It'll be fun when that happens.

  • GrueHunter on 08/07/2022 - 16:14

    "Why can't we be like Germany"
    "Oh god what if they make us like Germany"

    Cars have been using alerts and haptic feedback for years - DAW, HBA, LFA, LKA, FCA…somehow we've managed to cope.

  • htc on 08/07/2022 - 16:21

    Well thought out poll including the 4th option, must be the work of an experienced ozbargainer!

  • GordonD on 08/07/2022 - 16:25
    +1

    Remember they told us all in their expensive "road safety" education campaigns that distracted driving was such a big problem that AI-controlled overhead cameras were vital and necessary to detect people using mobile p[hones while driving, along with lots of demerit points and a big fine? And they weren't really doing it because those cameras generated lots of big fines, honest, I'm sure a lot of people believed it.

    Well, the first research has come out on what is causing the significant increase in distracted driver crashes in recent years. Its from the US, where the same thing has occurred, but there's no reason to believe the causes aren't the same here. And in the US the numbers of road deaths are big enough that they get to sizes that can give statically significant results faster.

    To everyone's surprise the numbers showed the problem was NOT mobile phones. They contributed to 13% of the 7% of fatalities that were the result of driver distraction. That is, to about 1% of total fatalities. So the cameras and the penalty points and the fines are likely to have an insignificant road safety benefit.

    https://www.newsweek.com/study-men-three-times-more-likely-d…

    • Ughhh on 10/07/2022 - 11:14
      +1

      Just because something doesn't lead to death (as much as other causes/reasons) , doesn't it's no big deal and control measures are not necessary.

      • GrueHunter on 10/07/2022 - 14:32
        +1

        "Let's reduce driver distraction fatalities by 7%. It'll be easy and cheap"
        "Nooo you're not eliminating all crashes and fatalities at the same time or curing cancer so it must be a bad thing and you should just let people keep killing themselves and one another"

  • MrKnowItAll on 08/07/2022 - 16:59
    +1

    I've seen some spectacularly poor driving in my life, even at / below the speed limit. In fact, it's usually those who have no idea how to drive so they go 20-30 under the limit, bouncing around in their lane, that cause the most problems.

    I honestly can't see this making a big difference to the number of people who die each year on our roads. Plenty of other things that can be targeted like driving tired / drunk, inattention like mobile phones, radio, etc. or just overall a poor understanding of road rules or how to operate a motor vehicle which will have a real world impact.

    • derrida derider on 10/07/2022 - 15:04
      +1

      Of course it won't make a big difference to the number of people killed each year - especially as the whole point is only to stop people speeding without knowing it. Hoons can still hoon to their heart's content because it doesn't prevent deliberate speeding - only discourages it by inconvenience (a warning voice, a vibration).

      But it'll make a modest difference. That is worthwhile.

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