Do You Teach Your Kids about Sex/"Birds and The Bees" or Leave It to Schools?

SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 09:41
Last edited 09/04/2022 - 09:42

This is currently a hot issue in the US in lieu of the incorrectly named "dont say gay bill", also known as the Parental Rights Act which prohibits discussion of sexual credos to young children (K-3).

However there are similar issues going on in Australia as well. As recently reported, a Victorian school was found to be giving out homework telling 10-year olds to ask their fathers about erections and ejaculations

For one reason or another, there seems to be a massive movement towards not only teaching sexual politics to children, but also lowering the age where such discussions would traditionally be appropriate.

Are there parents here concerned about this or do you unconditionally trust the state to teach these things to your kids?

Poll Options

  • 113
    Parents should be the ones teaching kids about all sex matters
  • 4
    Sex education is best left the government
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Comments

  • MS Paint on 09/04/2022 - 09:47
    +25

    Where's the both option?

    • pharkurnell on 09/04/2022 - 11:23
      +4

      Wheres the Youtube option??

    • SF3 on 09/04/2022 - 11:27
      +6

      Because the Poll options are all stupid.

      • pegaxs on 09/04/2022 - 13:14
        +2

        Poll options are all stupid.

        That seems to be a bit rich coming from the king of shit polls himself…

        • SF3 on 09/04/2022 - 15:27
          +3

          I think this saids it all about OP.

          A perfect parent is a person with excellent child-rearing theories and no actual children.

  • Hithere on 09/04/2022 - 09:53
    +3

    +1

    It's the parent's responsibility to teach their siblings about sex but it should also form part of the education system where qualified people can fill in gaps and advise from a more 'technical' point of view.

    Some children may find it easier to talk to a professional rather than be embarrassed talking to their parents.

    Their parents may not even know the full details or correct answer anyway.

    • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 10:31

      What makes primary school teachers qualified to teach kids about sex? Are we to assume that they're a bastion of sensible sexual choices?

      Many people are actually unaware that most child molestations occur within schools. Much more than what happens in the church. I think views on sex ed in schools would change dramatically if people knew this. Just imagine the outcry if someone suggested that Catholic priests should teach kids about sex ed. Yet the data says that this is actually no more dangerous than outsourcing such power to teachers.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/m…

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/do-the-right-thing/2…

      • Hithere on 09/04/2022 - 10:34

        What makes primary school teachers qualified to teach kids about sex?

        Try reading my post properly

        where qualified people

        • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 10:52

          Ditto. What makes anyone qualified to teach kids about sex?

          Does every financial expert have a yacht? Do mechanics never have car troubles? Is Kerry Chant less likely to catch COVID because she's the expert on public health?

          This idea that we can assign "experts" to teach kids about an extremely sensitive and dangerous topic is silly.

          I don't think anyone is against sensible biology lessons teaching kids about their bodies, but as we've seen in other parts of the world that pride themselves on sex ed, it often goes far beyond that, even to the point of hosting demonstrations on
          how to masturbate.

          https://news.yahoo.com/sex-ed-teacher-taught-1st-131233151.h…

          https://wrno.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/…

      • spackbace on 09/04/2022 - 10:51
        +5

        What makes primary school teachers qualified to teach kids about sex?

        They always have been though? I was in year 5 when we were taught about development, watching the stupid cartoons etc.

        Mrs' 11yo has already started puberty (year 7), probably a good thing they're aware of what's going on before then, what not to do, etc.

        Though I don't know why you choose to weigh in on this topic, with you not having kids and all…

        • cookie2 on 19/05/2022 - 05:22

          So if you're not personally affected by a topic you can't have and share a comment, criticism or concern about it huh. That's a warped view.
          BTW knowing about puberty and your own body is very different to knowing about the opposite sexes body, arousals etc and this is so sensitive for diff people in diff ways. Teachers should stay away from it unless parental consent (Not just implied through children being enrolled at the school). Parents have the right to choose.

          • spackbace on 19/05/2022 - 09:55

            @cookie2: Lol if only parents taught sex ed, a whole bunch of kids would have no idea what they were doing 😂

            And yep, someone who doesn't have kids shouldn't be trying to dictate what parents do. Put that in the same category as governments who decide on the rights to abortion.

            • SlavOz on 25/05/2022 - 09:46

              @spackbace:

              Lol if only parents taught sex ed, a whole bunch of kids would have no idea what they were doing 😂

              Humans have been successfully procreating for millions of years, well before the advent of the school curriculum. I think we'll be fine.

              If anything, the countries with a developed education system have dwindling birth rates. It's the poor countries with no schooling system that seem to be making most of the world's babies.

              And yep, someone who doesn't have kids shouldn't be trying to dictate what parents do

              So if you don't have pets, you're not allowed to comment on animal rights? If you don't own a gun, you don't get an opinion on national gun rights? If you're vaccinated, you don't get to tell unvaccinated people what to do?

              Thanks for your logic.

              • spackbace on 25/05/2022 - 10:58

                @SlavOz:

                So if you don't have pets, you're not allowed to comment on animal rights? If you don't own a gun, you don't get an opinion on national gun rights? If you're vaccinated, you don't get to tell unvaccinated people what to do?

                Thanks for your logic.

                You're welcome!

                You're entitled to an opinion, but you don't get to shout it from the rooftops. Same as neither you or I should be weighing in on a woman's right to abortion

                • SlavOz on 25/05/2022 - 11:54
                  -1

                  @spackbace:

                  You're entitled to an opinion, but you don't get to shout it from the rooftops.

                  I'll keep that in mind the next time someone complains about house prices being too high. "You're allowed to have your opinion, but if you don't own a house please keep it to yourself".

                  Same as neither you or I should be weighing in on a woman's right to abortion

                  Pish-posh. Women love it when men weigh in on abortion as long as those men agree with them. They only bring up the vagina card when a man disagrees with their opinion. It's just tactical outrage.

                  Society is based on the idea of finding collective agreements. You're allowed to demand rich people pay more of their money in taxes, or that the unvaccinated sacrifice their bodies for your ideal society. Why should I keep quiet when I see something that can reasonably be interpreted as one person killing another person?

      • Ughhh on 09/04/2022 - 11:39
        +2

        Do regular parents have the knowledge to explain sex in terms of science and biology? As in the biological purpose for all species? How you deliver it is important.

        • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:41

          Who are "regular" parents? Ones that you deem not smart enough to raise their own kids?

          The answer is yes - regular parents (most of whom are married) and have kids are very capable of teaching good sexual and relationship practices to their children. They themselves are living proof of that.

          • Ughhh on 09/04/2022 - 11:48
            +1

            @SlavOz: By 'regular' I mean parents who do not have background in biology ffs.

            You said below

            Besides, teen pregnancy rates are at all time highs in recent years.

            Unless you think kids get 100% of info only from schools and none from parents, this contradicts your second paragraph.

            • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:55
              -2

              @Ughhh: You don't need to be a biologist to teach kids about sex. If you have kids, it's sensible to assume that you know how sex works.

              Besides, there is a moral/cultural aspect to sex as well. Just because you know the complexities of human conception and the names of different body parts, doesn't mean you're a good source of advice on when a child should have sex.

              • Ughhh on 09/04/2022 - 11:59
                +3

                @SlavOz: You still don't understand.

              • Ughhh on 09/04/2022 - 12:01
                +7

                @SlavOz:

                If you have kids, it's sensible to assume that you know how sex works.

                LOL. There's sex and there's safe sex.

                I know someone from primary school who's a single mother to ~4 kids with different fathers, I suppose you think she's an expert and qualified to teach your kids.

                "2+2=4, therefore I'm an expert in maths and know everything about maths" - Seems like thats the way you think, no wonder you think you're an expert in everything.

                • ozhunter on 09/04/2022 - 20:24

                  @Ughhh:

                  I know someone from primary school who's a single mother to ~4 kids with different fathers, I suppose you think she's an expert and qualified to teach your kids.

                  I think she knows what she's doing, lol.

                • cookie2 on 19/05/2022 - 05:26

                  @Ughhh: So you pick the one person that's so different that it stands out to you, as your validation that parents aren't generally capable of doing this?

                  • Ughhh on 19/05/2022 - 06:32

                    @cookie2: Op made a statement implying its applicable to everyone, I'm saying it's not. There's a reason why safe sex is heavily promoted by others besides your mum and dad.

                    There's only one Einstein. She could be the Einstein of sex and perhaps qualified to teach yours kids all about sex. From the beginning, to how it becomes a baby inside?

        • cookie2 on 19/05/2022 - 05:24

          Do you genuinely believe that the primary teachers conducting this would have a background in biology?

      • freefall101 on 09/04/2022 - 13:47
        +5

        The same thing that makes primary school teachers qualified to teach about anything, they have an education and training.

        Teaching kids about sex has significantly better outcomes than not. If parents don't want teachers teaching their kids and instead want to brainwash them with their own personal brand of bullshit then they can homeschool them. But kids need to learn about sex and including it in their education makes sure that happens.

        Glad you've found a new moral crisis to adopt after it turned out we wouldn't be held in lockdown forever by an authoritarian government. I just wish you'd stop importing American garbage though.

      • Nucleus Acumbens on 26/12/2022 - 20:17

        Most child molestation doES NOT occur within schools.0

    • TEER3X on 09/04/2022 - 10:40
      +7

      It's the parent's responsibility to teach their siblings about sex

      That doesn't really solve the problem

      • MS Paint on 09/04/2022 - 11:08
        +2

        You don't teach your sister about sex? Weird.

        • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 11:18
          +1

          I think I've seen links to those kind of educational videos on phub, but usually it's step sister

    • redfox1200 on 09/04/2022 - 14:56

      not sure about teaching siblings lol

    • Nickels n Dimes on 09/04/2022 - 20:42

      Agreed. There are too many uneducated, ignorant or blindly religious people in the world, for whom sex education is not required / comprehended. The government needs their program to start from an early age to introduce and inform children, throughout their schooling, to prevent future generations from making the mistakes that many of our parents and grandparents. Some are fortunate enough to have well informed parents that aren't afraid to confront these issues head-on, but those people are a minority of Australians.

    • Lastchancetosee on 10/04/2022 - 07:38

      Their siblings?

      • reactor-au on 10/04/2022 - 08:10

        The World is a messed up place

    • ozboygsl on 10/04/2022 - 08:35

      teach their siblings???????

    • LFO on 10/04/2022 - 13:54

      Their parents may not even know the full details or correct answer anyway.

      Once I heard that "sex education and parents don't mix".
      Inexplicable as in why but there is a something that some kids might not accept that daddy and mommy will do that to each other …
      Sad but true as they would exist if parents didn't do it!
      Inexplicable.

      Another terrifying aspect is that parenthood does not guarantee accurate knowledge.

      I am horrified and devastated on how many mature women refer to their external genitalia, their own genitals, as "vagina" totally missing and misunderstanding what every part of their anatomy are called and what function they perform.
      Pathetic really.

      Perhaps parent's "technical and accurate" sex education re-training will be of benefit.

      • Nucleus Acumbens on 26/12/2022 - 20:47

        There is a book called "where did I come from"?

        If you don't know, it's a good read with lots of pictures and little words

  • rektrading on 09/04/2022 - 09:59
    +9

    Researchers from the University of Washington found that adolescents who receive comprehensive sex education are significantly less likely to become pregnant than adolescents who receive abstinence-only-until-marriage or no formal sex education.
    28 Mar 2008

      • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 10:38
        +16

        Besides, teen pregnancy rates are at all time highs in recent years

        You making up facts again to support your argument?
        Eg
        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-…

        • spackbace on 09/04/2022 - 10:52
          +4

          facepalm

        • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:07
          -3

          Notice how these studies intentionally skew the data by lumping in 15 year olds who get pregnant with 19 year olds.

          Like, does anyone seriously consider legal adults getting pregnant to be part of the teen pregnancy problem?

          In fact - Most adolescents (76%) who give birth are 18 or older Link

          So your declining child pregnancy rate literally relies on data predominantly collected among women who are old enough to get married. 🤔

          • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 11:14
            +13

            @SlavOz: It's your quote…you said teen pregnancies are at an all time high.

            Last I checked that includes the age groups youre claiming shouldn't be included.

            But it's not unusual for you to make an unsubstantiated claim to support your argument/beliefs/bias that's usually easily disproven by a simple Google check

            It's also not unusual for you to then follow that up with some article that you didn't read, that supports that your claim was incorrect
            Eg
            "The national teen pregnancy rates for ages 15-17 and 18-19 (the number of pregnancies per 1,000 females in the specified age group) have declined almost continuously for nearly 30 years. The decline has been most striking among teens ages 15-17 - by 82 percent"

            So thanks for agreeing you just made up that fact, and it's completely incorrect based on both my and your supporting links

            • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:32
              -7

              @SBOB:

              It's your quote…you said teen pregnancies are at an all time high.

              The problems associated with teen pregnancies are much higher today than before. Teenagers getting thrown out of home or deciding to perform dodgy abortions was not an issue in the 80s or 90s, it is today. Teenagers getting exposed to sex too early, leading to all sorts of problems, is much more of an issue today than it was 30-40 years ago.

              It's also striking that you're using stats from the US to paint your utopian worldview. The US has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world, right after New Zealand. Looks like the progressive havens that pride themselves on sex ed are showing us how it's done.

              • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 11:56

                @SlavOz:

                It's also striking that you're using stats from the US

                I simply used an easy to find study to illustrate the point, didn't care where it was from, and you're free to go find the same info from any other country to prove to yourself that you're initial statement was facurally incorrect.

                The US has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world

                That have been declining, like everywhere, over the last decades. Complelty contradictory to your statement

                Im not making a utopian view, and I'm not even supporting or commenting on teen pregnancies trends or social impacts, apart from to point out that your stated fact was completely made up and incorrect (as they commonly are).

                At any point, feel free to admit that your claimed 'fact' was incorrect.

                • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 12:24
                  -3

                  @SBOB: It's not incorrect, you're just hung up on the semantics rather than the substance of the argument.

                  Countries with ultra-progressive views on sex ed are leading the way in teen pregnancies. This is more of an issue today than it was 30-40 years ago because the scale and social dynamics of the problem as changed.

                  • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 12:35

                    @SlavOz: "Besides, teen pregnancy rates are at all time highs in recent years"

                    That was the substance of your argument.

                    Countries with ultra-progressive views on sex ed are leading the way in teen pregnancies

                    Do you forget that old correlation does not equal causation line?

                    One could equally link that the changing trend in sex education to trending towards more 'ultra progressive' (whatever that means in your head) education over the last decades aligns with the reduction in teen pregnancy rates.

      • Awoke on 13/08/2022 - 14:03
        -1

        Abstinence is absolutely the best education. Our lord and saviours representatives practice it and so should we. It is the way.

        Teaching kids sex is just gonna lead to no good coming from it. All these ltgqbi letters that keep growing in length each month. What’s with that. Soon it’ll be the whole alphabet.

        • [Deactivated] on 13/08/2022 - 14:12

          You must be @CrowReally's Dad - oh, the absolute dysfunctional mess you've made!

  • AustriaBargain on 09/04/2022 - 10:02
    +8

    My christian school never taught any sex ed. Closest thing I got to sex ed was when alone with the principal in his office.

    • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 10:34
      -2

      No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches, tutors etc).

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/do-the-right-thing/2…

      • Baysew on 09/04/2022 - 10:53
        +4

        The best data we have suggest that approximately 5 percent of the Catholic clergy have had involvement with minors, the vast majority being adolescent boys. That figure is not inconsistent with other male clergy or with the general population. In fact, in the general population it's probably a bit higher. But what is unique about the Catholic Church is that there are so many victims — the case in Boston that kicked this off had 138 victims and the guy moved from parish to parish over 30 years. That's unique.

        -Thomas G Plante

        We have examined a broad range of institutions – from schools to Scouts, from the YMCA to sporting and dance clubs, from Defence training establishments to a range of out-of-home care services. We have considered institutions managed by federal, state and territory governments as well as non-government organisations. It is clear that child sexual abuse has occurred in a broad range of institutional contexts across Australia, and over many decades. However, we heard more allegations of child sexual abuse in relation to institutions managed by religious organisations than any other management type.

        -The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

        • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:12

          Allegations are not abuse, and the number of sexual molestations that are reported to the government is not the same as the number of sexual molestations that actually take place.

          In fact, if we look at sexual assault in general (among adults), the majority of such crimes do not get reported. It would be sensible to assume that this is also true for sexual assault on children, where the victims are completely powerless to speak out. It's understandable that there would be more of these crimes uncovered within the church as the church was the central focus of such investigations. Had they looked elsewhere with just as much scrutiny, they would find it in equal proportions.

          • AustriaBargain on 09/04/2022 - 11:58
            +1

            @SlavOz: Seems to me that churches, who tend to operate Christian schools whether they are Catholic Churches or not, are more likely to want to cover up abuse than the Department of Education are. The Department of Education will also be far more likely to refer knowledge or allegations of abuse to the police, whereas churches tend to call their lawyers first and enact the cover up without involving the state at all.

            • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 12:30
              -2

              @AustriaBargain: Perhaps it seems that way to you because you're reading into anti-religious bigotry from the media. As per the link I posted:

              The Church has used best practices to deal with this issue since 2002

              • fantombloo on 09/04/2022 - 12:43
                +1

                @SlavOz: "best practices"

              • AustriaBargain on 09/04/2022 - 12:49

                @SlavOz: lol

                • Awoke on 13/08/2022 - 14:19

                  @AustriaBargain: It’s quite appalling how you attack the above comments by SlavOz really exposes your own bigotry against homosexuality. I thought your mob was all about equality but now attacking clergy for it. Like he said, abuse is the same across all society not just church. Your intolerance is showing.

                  • Ughhh on 13/08/2022 - 18:01

                    @Awoke: How many pats does slavvy owe you now?

                    • Awoke on 13/08/2022 - 18:16

                      @Ughhh: Typical. Attack the person

              • Ughhh on 13/08/2022 - 18:00

                @SlavOz: So as long as other people are sexually abusing children, it's no big deal if the church does it. If the morals the church has defined is of the highest standard as you make it out to be, shouldnt the church do better?
                Seems like your telling us the church is a sheep.

                • SlavOz on 13/08/2022 - 18:12
                  -1

                  @Ughhh:

                  So as long as other people are sexually abusing children, it's no big deal if the church does it.

                  No, but as long you ignore the systemic child abuse in every organisation, and pretend it's some unique problem within the church, there's no point in expecting to be taken seriously.

                  Why don't we just assume that gang shootings are only a black issue and never bother reporting it on other groups?

  • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 10:06
    +4

    Are there parents here concerned about this or do you unconditionally trust the state to teach these things to your kids

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/11986442/redir
    "you seem to be very big fan of binary arguments"
    Direct quote with zero irony

  • SmiTTy on 09/04/2022 - 10:08
    +1

    Should be taught by both - parents and school. But should be age appropriately done so.

    I think the school from the link you provided handled sex ed terribly

    • TEER3X on 09/04/2022 - 10:42
      +11

      It's SlavOz, what do you expect?

      SlavOz is also trying to sway the vote by saying you have to "unconditionally trust the state" if you leave it up to the schools, while also linking a very negative article.

      • spackbace on 09/04/2022 - 10:54
        +8

        We may as well just call him "Cherry-pick" from now on

        • SBOB on 09/04/2022 - 10:58
          +4

          We may as well just call him "Cherry-pick" from now on

          No no no….slavoz is against cherry picking data…

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/11987330/redir
          "You have not presented a single study to back up your claim. You've simply relied on cherry picked data and premature interpretations of said data to conclude that…."

          Direct quote presented with zero irony….

      • dstar012 on 09/04/2022 - 10:54

        You must choose from 1 of 2 extreme scenarios. No…there couldn’t possibly be anything In between.

        • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:35
          -5

          Sorry, I didn't know that teaching 10-year olds about erections and ejaculation can be done in healthy moderation.

          "Just a little bit here and there", right?

      • SlavOz on 09/04/2022 - 11:38
        -1

        The point you're missing is that schools cannot be trusted with this responsibility, and the article I posted is an example of that. Have a look at the data I've posted throughout the thread. Primary schools are one of the most common grounds for child abuse to take place, often even more common than what occurs within religious institutions.

        So you'll have to excuse me when I call bullshit on people who claim that you can balance sex ed between schools and parents for optimal results. So just a little bit of common sense from parents coupled with the occasional 10-year old being taught about ejaculations, right?

        • DashCam AKA Rolts on 09/04/2022 - 12:48

          So as you don't trust schools, I presume you are home schooling.
          What else don't you trust schools to do? How about drug ed, vaccination programs?
          Schools usually fully inform parents of the content of their Sex Ed courses, usually via parent info evenings, where content is shared, questions answered and concerns addressed.
          The advantages of such programs is that parents who feel uncomfortable or lack confidence/knowledge to address sex ed often feel relieved.
          The other part of such programs is it gives children knowledge of what is private and reinforces the right to say no to unwanted touching, and the vocabulary necessary to tell a trusted adult about what has occurred if they are the recipients of inappropriate touching/sexual abuse.
          In some schools, outside agencies deliver sex ed courses with the teachers. One such agency in SA has the course delivered by a presenter who is both a trained teacher and qualified nurse. She was brilliant.

          • DashCam AKA Rolts on 09/04/2022 - 14:47

            @DashCam AKA Rolts: P.S. You can opt to withdraw your child from Sex Ed as you can with Religious Ed.

          • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 09:35

            @DashCam AKA Rolts:

            What else don't you trust schools to do?

            Oh God many things. Teaching healthy eating, morality, preparing students for the real world, passing down skills on how to find a job, enforcing common sense dress codes, the list goes on…

            I'd be fine for children to partake in those things whole they're at school but every parent knows they're a complete time filler as our schools have proven they're absolutely dogshit at teaching them effectively.

            Anyone who relies on schools to teach these things to their kids should not complain about welfare being too low.

            • Ughhh on 10/04/2022 - 10:23
              +2

              @SlavOz:

              Oh God many things. Teaching healthy eating

              Do you think this could be one of the reasons for obesity in society? Are teachers in charge of buying the kids groceries?

              morality

              Do you think kids only 'learn' morality from school teachers? Or maybe it's developed through watching and copying close role models ie. parents? You think teachers are more influential to a kids life than a parents?

              preparing students for the real world,

              So you just want teachers to teach kids that 2+2=4, but not how to apply it in the real world and in daily life? Do you think a hospital would let a 15yo you do work experience there for 2 weeks without schools involvement?

              You're assuming everyone has those skills to teach their kids those things. People who think they know everything and is the smartest are usually the dumbest.

              • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 14:49
                -1

                @Ughhh:

                People who think they know everything and is the smartest are usually the dumbest.

                Sounds like a pretty accurate way to describe the government.

                • Ughhh on 10/04/2022 - 15:12

                  @SlavOz: If that was the case 100%, they wouldn't be consulting with health experts in the field. Its more about people who think they're experts in fields they have no professional educational background in, presenting their opinions as if its a fact, and refuse to listen to actual expert with a narrow biased mind.

            • DashCam AKA Rolts on 10/04/2022 - 13:49

              @SlavOz:

              Teaching healthy eating

              Schools do this, but parents provide all of the food children eat or the money to purchase food. Schools can not counteract this.

              morality

              Morality is highly subjective with many cultural variations. You would not want someone else's standards imposed on your child. Schools have a diverse community, there is no one size fits all.

              preparing students for the real world

              The world is constantly changing. Schools aim to make their students literate, numerate, understand and be tolerant of a range of cultures they will encounter, use critical thinking, have skills in IT and being aware of the negative sides of social media.

              passing down skills on how to find a job

              VET pathways exist, as do career counselors.

              enforcing common sense dress codes

              School uniforms? Schools can't enforce dress codes out of school hours.

              • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 14:59

                @DashCam AKA Rolts:

                Schools can not counteract this

                Nor would I expect them to. I'm just pointing out that they would be utterly horrible at it if they tried.

                Source: look at the way most people eat (and the associated social/medical implications) due to the government's phony shit-grade eating guidelines.

                The world is constantly changing.

                Yet our model for teaching children has remained relatively unchanged. Other countries are a little more in line with the times but overall school is nothing but a glorified daycare centre for working parents. Very little of the behavioural, social, or even literal knowledge taught has practice use in the real world.

                I spent 13 years doing the same narrow tasks over and over again yet nobody ever taught me how to write a good resume, file a tax return, which documents I need to apply for a job, how annual leave and salaries work, etc. You don't even learn these things at university which ste supposed to be the gold standard for career preparation.

                I can't count the amount of detentions I got for not tucking my shirt in at school only to go out into the corporate workforce and never be expected once to tuck my shirt in. It's just bullshit rules designed to teach kids how to lick the boot and follow authority.

                • DashCam AKA Rolts on 10/04/2022 - 15:23
                  +2

                  @SlavOz:

                  Teaching healthy eating

                  then

                  Nor would I expect them to.

                  Next

                  enforcing common sense dress codes

                  then

                  I can't count the amount of detentions I got for not tucking my shirt in at school

                  So which one is it? You seem to contradict yourself in lashing out at anything to do with schools. Perhaps this explains it:

                  I can't count the amount of detentions I got

                  • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 15:43
                    -2

                    @DashCam AKA Rolts: You seem to be having a real problem with comprehension here.

                    You asked me what else I don't trust schools to teach children. I gave you a bunch of answers using real-life examples (which I'm sure most people can relate to) - the implication being that my personal experience (and that of children today) is the reason why I don't trust schools to teach this sort of stuff, even though they "try" to.

                    I'm not saying schools should teach healthy eating or dress codes. I'm simply pointing out that the government is teaching these things but are doing a horrible job at it.

                    • SBOB on 10/04/2022 - 16:37

                      @SlavOz:

                      but are doing a horrible job at it.

                      based on your review of how your kids are being taught?
                      No.
                      I assume this is just another one of your made up statements based on your beliefs, rather than any actual facts or experiences.

                      • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 17:05
                        -2

                        @SBOB: Here's the thing mate. I'm younger than most regular users here, including yourself. That means I have more recent knowledge of what it's like to be a child than you or most others here.

                        Additionally, as you know, I come from a very conservative ethnic community, so you'd have to put 2 and 2 together and realise I have more children in my family line than the regular "Aussie".

                        So despite your snarky remarks, I do know what goes on in schools, and I do know what children and their parents today are going through. I have skin in the game, probably much better than some parents who's only claim to credibility is having sex and begging the taxpayer to foot the bill.

                        So please, spare me the mightier-than-thou hogwash. A poor education system affects my family and community much more than it would affect most people's.

                        • SBOB on 10/04/2022 - 18:03
                          +1

                          @SlavOz:

                          I'm younger than most regular users here, including yourself. That means I have more recent knowledge of what it's like to be a child than you or most others here.

                          ah….ahahahhahahahahaa

                          A poor education system affects my family and community much more than it would affect most people's.

                          "spare me the mightier-than-thou hogwash."

                        • Ughhh on 10/04/2022 - 18:04
                          +1

                          @SlavOz:

                          That means I have more recent knowledge of what it's like to be a child than you or most others here.

                          My 15yo cousin, who is younger than you, therefore by your standards, has more recent knowledge than you, says you don't know anything and to stfu. 🤷

                          • SlavOz on 10/04/2022 - 18:18

                            @Ughhh: Yeah, no difference between me and your 15yo cousin except that only one of us is a legal adult deemed competent to make sound decisions.

                            • Ughhh on 10/04/2022 - 18:31
                              +1

                              @SlavOz:

                              competent to make sound decisions.

                              That's debatable.

              • cookie2 on 19/05/2022 - 05:39

                @DashCam AKA Rolts: There's a big difference between saying that schools are supposed to do something vs actual doing it properly.

    • cookie2 on 19/05/2022 - 05:34

      Agreed, they did handle terribly if 10 yos are randomly getting this. But everyone's all hungup on OP. Little actual discussion about the topic, everyone just being argumentative with OP.

  • Ocker on 09/04/2022 - 10:54
    +8

    Asked my 8yo son what he knew about the birds and the bees - he replied "plenty dad, what do you want to know?"

  • rektrading on 09/04/2022 - 11:05
    +1

    Parents can't stop adolescents from learning about sexuality.

    They'll either learn it from school, a professional sex education centre, friends, the Internet, siblings or their parents.

    • plmko on 09/04/2022 - 14:35

      What about crypto?

      • rektrading on 09/04/2022 - 14:39
        +1

        What about crypto?

        What do you want to know?

  • mskeggs on 09/04/2022 - 11:15
    +9

    Astounding to see SlavOz posting in favour of ignorance with a side helping of pedo apologia.

    No, sorry, my error. Not astounding, the other one.

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