With the rate of inflation was curious to understand how much % of salary increases people got this year or how much % you are expecting…..
Do not include salary increases due to change of company or change of role
% of Salary Increase
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Don't they get inflation?
Are you saying 3% per year or 1% per year?
If it is 3% over 3 years, it is less than 1% per year.
@mdavant apparently teachers all earn over 120k lol
Stop misquoting me to big note yourself. It is peurile.
Teachers are paid extremely well for the hours they work and the holidays they get. I have quoted their hourly rates and salaries as published.
Unfortunately people who haven't worked in real professions don't believe that other professionals do work outside of hours either.
Only teachers do work after the doors close and only teachers do extra study /research
read the above teacher. I rest my case
@boostpak: Show me the quote where I said all teachers earn over 120k
I rest my case.
But a quick Google for SA teachers seems like they received a good result for the times.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/62bb70…
Stop acting like a spoilt child. The facts are out there if you care to look for them.
Teachers are paid extremely well for their skillset and their work conditions.
PS. Show me the quote before your next snide comment.
@mdavant: That's only a 3 year deal barely keeping with inflation. They had to fight for that too, who knows how long they hadn't had one for or how low it was if they had previously…
@boostpak: IFS buts and maybes
I post you a fact and again you cannot acknowledge that your position is fueled by stalking and disbelief.
It is a reflection of your character that you cannot let it go.
PS. Show me the quote
@mdavant: A survey of more than 8,500 staff across 552 government schools in Victoria by the AEU found teachers, principals and education support staff are working, on average, 16.5 hours unpaid each week.
Teacher working hour 'myth'
The results of the survey were not surprising to teacher Rebekah Feweks (abc news article), who said she spent weekends, evenings and holidays preparing student reports for parents.Rebekah Feweks has been a primary school teacher for 19 years and said the AEU survey showed the "myth" of teachers working 9:00am to 3:00pm was "up there with the Loch Ness monster".
I thought you said teachers earn 120k on 20hr weeks haha
@mdavant: It's a daily occurrence that a teacher does work outside the classroom, very different to most other professions. Teachers around Australia are crying due to burnout over the last 2 years.
@boostpak: What, a topic change.
I am happy to discuss this (though I have before)
But first, please address the above, plus the quote I asked for
@boostpak: I am trained in epidemiology, and have done extensive statistics courses over decades and have been involved in internationally recognised research.
A survey by AEU.
Sounds like the most reliable data available!!
Please show me where I said 20 hour weeks!
You are such a pathetic debater who makes up lies to support your argument
@mdavant: 115k a year, which is more than 80% of the population earn. Not sure what teachers get paid, but I don't think it would be more then that.
mdavant on 03/02/2022 - 10:47
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@boostpak: No. About the same pay, but only work 25 hours a week and 40 weeks a year.I stand corrected - you said 115k for 25 hours a week lol. Maybe you need to do a different statistics course. Typical bloke who won't give up on his failed argument.
@boostpak: Show me where I said what you quoted. I never gave a percentage.
Yes. An experienced teacher earns 115k per year for a 25 hour work week.
Exactly what it says in the award.
See, I actually do my research before posting stuff like that, unlike you, with your clear history of lying.
I apologise for being competent and correct.
@mdavant: Give me the name and the number of any teacher in Australia that works 25 hours a week and gets paid 115k salary. Go right ahead. Prove me wrong
@boostpak: Give me the name of any experienced qld teacher who has to work 25 hours according to their award who earns less than 115k
In my profession I do at least 15 hours unpaid per week.
Working more than your award is not something special for professionals.
Stop pretending that teachers aren't paid exceptionally well for a very short work day and year.
I again make note you fail to answer the question where you are making stuff up.
Quality
But I'll bite. How many hours do you think a teacher works extra per week (knowing that I have multiple family members who are teachers )
@mdavant: again:
Give me the name and the number of any teacher in Australia that works 25 hours a week and gets paid 115k salary. Go right ahead. Prove me wrongI'm waiting
@boostpak: Don't strawman.
Answer your question.
There are thousands of teachers who are paid 115k for a 25 hour week.
Stop making things up. You know you are being obnoxious and immature.
Be careful communicating to those in a bubble
care to respond to mdavant
Care to troll and make things up more?
I have provided all you need to know the facts. You make things up and double down on that.you are immature and no doubt unsuccessful in life.
You're such an amazing human being. You can judge someones success based on a forum. Legend. How does one even get to decide the definition of what is success or not. It's a very subjective matter. But mdavant knows all. All teachers get paid 115k to do 25hr weeks, it's in the award!!! Shame on us all for thinking in reality. Where normal people live. You're actually laughable at this point buddy.
@boostpak: I can tell what you are like.
You wouldn't be able to climb a ladder to earn a decent income because you are a liar.
You make things up.
Obviously not able to form a logical argument.
I can guarantee you teachers are not paid less than the award rate they are entitled to.
@mdavant: I'm just going to stop this nonsense now because frankly, I'm sick of hearing from non teachers speaking for teachers about how good they have it.
Current SA DfE pay rates (2021 as new agreement still not in)
https://www.education.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/school_t…
It takes 10 years minimum to reach step 9 (200 days teaching per step, harder on contract or relief) - not every teacher reaches step 9 as it's an extra 'thing'. Many cap out at step 8. For life.
It's gone up slightly, about $1-2000 per step over the last agreement.
As a teacher (and one that has left the classroom), I can say - do not conflate face to face teaching time (set at 5.5 hours a day) with actual job function time.
Let me put this into perspective. The average public service job is 7.35 hours or 7 hours, 21 minutes. For sites, the duty of care window is from between 8am-8:30am and 3:30/4pm. That's when staff must be on site to perform duties (supervision). This is not included in the 5.5 hours.
Then, in SA, add on 1260 minutes a week for a 1.0FTE for NIT (non-instruction time). NIT is for lesson planning, professional development etc. NIT is almost always guaranteed to be swallowed up by a relief or another duty.
Teachers have a minimum of 3-4 duties per week. This includes during their break times and as early as 8am and as late as 4pm.
Staff meetings (general), once a week, in your own time. 5:30-6pm finish. Faculty, same again.
I would be lucky to leave a site by 4-5pm everyday. I started at 7:30am.
Teachers who 'rush off' often have children to collect from other schools. They then work at home. Or, they can be co-teaching at another school (I did this, teaching a night class), or coaching after school sports.
Coaching, marking, camps, excursions, work experience managements, VET course management, clubs etc are all unpaid. If a teacher is contract, the mandatory sessions they are expected to deliver in the school holidays for seniors - unpaid (contracts, which make up a large portion of all teachers, only get paid for term time).
Teachers only get 4 weeks Annual Leave. You cannot take AL during Term time without years of notice. LSL is at least a 2 year notification period and is generally at least one term off.
Edit - Oh! And before anyone cites the TRT rates - do you know what the chances are of working TRT for 200 days a year are? Zero. TRTs, if they are lucky, will work maybe 100 days. Most work 2 or 3 jobs.
@Benoffie: I am not currently a teacher.
I have many family members who are teachers.
I am flabbergasted that they are so naughty as they spend 10-12 weeks at home on holidays, not 4 as you profess.
As a professional I put in at least 2 hours unpaid per day. 7 days a week and work (and I mean I actually go into work 50 weeks a year). Extra time above paid hours is not exclusive to teachers, so teachers, stop pretending it is.
Almost all professionals put in a lot of unpaid work over 48 work weeks per year not 40-42 work weeks per year
Stop exaggerating.
Eg some staff meetings result in toil (eg at my family members school (yes a teacher) they have days off at the end of the year)
Might be worth people having a read of this
https://www.qtu.asn.au/bg-gwc@Benoffie: Mate, all of what you say here is true. At least, from my experience in the role, it is. There's no point engaging with this bloke though. I tried and he ignores valid points and falls back on the same few lines. He also believes there's no teacher shortages, despite how clearly desperate things are getting.
@Benoffie: No. Just in a role with similar unpaid conditions but work double the paid hours per year
( Check prior posts)
The problem with some teachers is that they truly believe they are the only people who do unpaid work ( which I have never denied they do)
Better not become a professional a lot of other roles hey
@Orion au: I note in prior exchanges I said what I said here. Nothing new.
I note some questionable misrepresentation by you. As occurs from teachers. The funniest was pretending that other workers get paid for lunch breaks!!!
Anyway. If you look at the first post I responded to here you will see some trolling.
After that all I am saying really is the same thing over and over to a person in denial.
As for shortages. Again it is in almost all areas. There is a thing called covid. Heard of it? It might just be me though who has heard of it being a frontline worker who has been face to face for all except the few weeks hard lockdown at the beginning of Australia's response. Weren't most teachers working from home for months?? I know of a few who were.
Now Orion.
I know you will dyor.
Prove to me that all teachers attend work 48 weeks a year.
Now remember, in your made up answer, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I can't believe the lies on here. Just ridiculous.
@mdavant: Hi guys,
This is where the exchange started. Thread page 2 - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/680687?page=1#comment
About a theatre nurse who makes good money but says it's very tiring. My response was to Mdavants first comment stating - 'should have been a teacher and got paid a lot more'.
I then calculated based on what this nurse told us, what her average year would be (110-115k) and Mdavant said teachers earn about that for only 25 hours work per week and 40 weeks per year.
CAN YOU ALL PLEASE MAKE SENSE OF THIS AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT MDAVANT IS ON ABOUT????mdavant on 03/02/2022 - 06:17
Should have been a teacher and got paid a lot more.At least you are unionised AND organised.
Eg jmo doctors are too stupid to formally wear uniforms to get free clothes and laundering etc.boostpak on 03/02/2022 - 09:02
You have to work hard and it's tiring, but it's still great pay. With these rates and penalties post 8 yrs you're making 100k-115k a year, which is more than 80% of the population earn. Not sure what teachers get paid, but I don't think it would be more then that.mdavant on 03/02/2022 - 10:47
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@boostpak: No. About the same pay, but only work 25 hours a week and 40 weeks a year.boostpak on 03/02/2022 - 12:14
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@mdavant: I have never heard of any teacher working a 25 hour week. Maybe a casual teacher. The amount of hours you have to put in outside of class teaching is a fair amountmdavant on 03/02/2022 - 12:26
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@boostpak: Many teachers in my family.The award states 25 hours.
Many other professionals do unpaid overtime too.
No weekends ever. No late nights. No early starts. Govt protections.
25 hours a week, 40 weeks a year of bliss
boostpak on 03/02/2022 - 12:53
@mdavant: I can almost be certain no teacher govt or not does 25 hours a week as a full-time worker and makes over 100k.mdavant on 03/02/2022 - 14:11
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@boostpak: Well then you are ignorant of their awardLook up the qld teachers award. Page 37
I can guarantee you hundreds of teachers in qld work full time, 25 hours per week, with 10+ weeks holidays per year and make over $100k per year.
And fwiw, casual teachers in qld earn $83 per hour.
Dyor
boostpak on 04/02/2022 - 15:25
@mdavant: Regardless of their award, there are no teachers doing 25 hours a week of teacher related work and earning over 100k. Teachers take their work home with them and do lots of office hours outside of classrooms, along with meetings etc. You're an ignorant …. if you think otherwisemdavant on 04/02/2022 - 17:46
@boostpak: I am from a family of teachersI know very well what they earn.
I know that they do some extra work, and I clearly posted that earlier, and that almost all professionals do extra work.
I know that the qld award is 25 hours per week
I know teachers have to front up approx 40 weeks a year
And I know a casual qld teacher earns $ 83 per hour.The problem is you have made a poor point and will try to defend it though I provided you with the exact details which prove beyond doubt that a teacher does 25 hours paid work per week.
Meetings are included in the 25 hours. As per the award. ( Have you heard of the teachers union?)
Stop making things up. It makes it look like you didn't dyor, which I know you didn't otherwise you would be posting from an informed position.
@boostpak: Thanks. Great summary.
Everyone can now check out the award and see that I haven't made stuff up.
I'm sure you'll find some teachers who will support you (that IS what you want innit)
But they have not been other professionals who put in hours of work per day as well (and as you quoted, you can see I said, as above too)
Teaching is a great profession and is paid very well.
I would also like people to read your first post here where you intentionally misquoted me. Why?
PS. Is your name Olivia?
@boostpak: Hi mate. I tried to engage in the thread titled, "Changing School Hours, What Are Your Thoughts ?" but it was pointless. Don't waste your time.
Do not include salary increases due to change of company or change of role
Why not?
yea those 20-50 % increases , or someone greater
So many directors and CEO's here surfing through at a bargain website (all joking around 10-17% would be max salary increase for those who are in need of most). Although most people like me so unfortunate to even get any increase from same job, I guess really need a tertiary qualification nowadays.
Or just changed jobs for something higher paid
Could be a politician.
So many people are getting fleeced by their employers.
Tertiary education or not, if you're confident in your abilities, it doesn't hurt to look for opportunities elsewhere. Unfortunately, most people don't get awarded for loyalty.
I jumped ship recently for a 20% increase, near identical role. Funnily enough, my ex-employer offered a 10% bump when I went to submit my resignation. Something they refuse to negotiate for the past 2 years.
This is so true. Nothing like another offer in hand to get the negotiations moving, but by the time that happens it’s often too late and you’ve taken the other job
Yup exactly, especially when company is giving a dam about you as a really hard worker, instead saying your complains as rants, and BS etc. when you are one of only 16 workers that work hard in that store.
Had a job, worked too hard for a company, always helped that company so much as a team member, once the good manager left that workplace, the place was a total mess, so much stress and work to deal with. Actually really wanted to step up in that company, but company had no ethics at all (at least the people in the higher positions like Area managers, etc.). Ended up now leaving that company and another job I had for a minor payrise (like 12%) A bit more stress full (but at least here everyone is taking stress equally, and is having a lot more respect and friendliness to team members).
But thanks for the kind comment :)
You guys get increases?!
Yo this lol
Its more wishful thinking by most…..
Hopefully more than 0%. Didn't get a payrise last year as was newly promoted to current role.
Have you looked at other jobs in the market and found they pay more, why have you not changed jobs?
3.5%
Super is going up 0.5% over the next few years. Businesses will factor that in as a pay increase and give you less of a pay rise as well.
Depends on your contract. If you're on a 'package' they'll pay you less and put it to super. But if you're on a salary + super the extra super will have to come out of their pocket.
20%.. by jumping ship
"Do not include salary increases due to change of company or change of role"
Ah, missed that.
In that case would have been 3% if I didn't leave. They also offered a 10% increase when I told them I was leaving.
2% come 1 July + the extra 0.5% super on top of that.
It’s not huge but I changed jobs about a year ago and am lucky to earn well above what many people earn so I am not complaining.
Timely. Apparently the latest ABS data released today shows wages grew 2.3%, CPI increased 3.5%, = real wages fall again.
well that depend what you spend your money on, for most people paying mortgage that hasn't change they actually benefited from rate drop in the last 10 years
electronics stuff get cheaper each yearso unless you spent all your money on a basket of goods calculated in inflation figure, a 2.3% increase in wage probably comparable or better than 3.5% inflation
Apparently the CPI is based on items such as food, alcohol and tobacco, clothing and footwear, housing, household contents and services, health, transportation, communication, recreation, education and financial and insurance services.
like I said it all depend what you spent your money on, for some a 2.3% pay rise can out pace inflation
for example I haven't bought any new clothes for the last 2-3 years an probably wont for another 5 years.
I mostly ride my bike to work and drive occasionally so Petrol is not an issue
my mortgage is set and getting cheaper each year
I don't drink alcohol or smoke
communication internet and data for phone barely change actually went down for menot everyone spent all the money in the CPI figures basket of goods
If I add it all up 2.3% for me will beat inflation by a good margin
2.75% under our EBA. The increase in super is on top of that. Our agreement has another two years to run but we will probably start negotiating for the next one at the end of this year.
I was actually a staff representative during the last negotiations because I wanted to see how it works and would recommend it to anyone if you get a chance. I found it really interesting seeing how the two sides moved from their opening positions until we had an agreement. I also developed much better working relationships with management as well as my colleagues. Did I love it enough to become union delegate? Hahahaha no way, but I found it to be a personally and professionally rewarding experience.
Dream on…
The current monetary condition is called "financial repression" for a reason.
Not only you get higher inflation that eats away your current and future earning power but also you get real negative interest rates so you could not save any meaningful amount as well. Same goes for corporations that do not have pricing power and will eventually reduce business leaving less people employed and there we will arrive to a stagflation.So good luck with that wages increase. In the not so distant future you gonna be lucky of you have enough to buy food for your kids.
No negative option?
Many self employed people will go backwards due to the increase in employee wages, sg, and overall increase in costs.
Definitely no love for the self employed from the govt and unions etc.
Sweet FA. Teachers are lucky to get 3% over 3 years. It's why I've bailed for the time being.