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Penfolds Grange 2009 Shiraz 750ml Bottle $689.90 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Dan Murphy's
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$729-$900 at various places. This is a decent price.
Thanks, bought 4
Only 4? Need at least half a dozen when dealing with wine
some wines when you sell to restaurants they want 1/2 or 1 doz to make it worth putting on wine list ….grange is in the league of burgundy …..some restaurants have it on a list for show more than they expect to sell a bottle a day ….
Ron Burgundy?
Haha upvote for the pure wit and originality. I don’t know how you come up with this stuff but it’s comedy gold. You should be a writer man. Send your stuff into some studios.
I do take pride in my wit and originality. I came up with the joke all by myself. I'm a big boy.
Why do people pay so much for alcohol?? After all all of them achieve the same result. They all bitter and all have hangovers. Not talking about real cheap ones.
Some of the Granges appreciate over time, although if they're already discounting the 2009 one it's not a great sign.
94/100 ratings doesn't sound promising.
Hard to know. The grange has seen big rrp rises over the last 20 years. The Chinese ban might be bringing it back down to only stupidly expensive!
Aftermarket says this isn’t that exciting a price:
https://www.wickman.net.au/Grange_Prices.aspxdunno where that guy got the pricing, but 1998 vintage @$600? i'll bring in my truck for this.
@bubblebobble2: I guess if it is from auction sites you would be relying on the quality of the cellaring from some random who kept it on top of the microwave on display for 10 years.
Pretentious status signalling
I wouldn’t spend hundreds on a wine, but I wouldn’t say you might as well play frogger as Breath of the Wild because they are both computer games and the end result, of wasted time is the same.
For people who like red wine, this label is very highly regarded, so I can understand why some would pay it.
Bernard: "It's all waffle! Nobody is prepared to admit that wine actually doesn't have a taste!"
Manny: "But you can't taste anything: you smoke eight bajillion cigarettes a day … what's that? What are you eating?"
Bernard: "It's some sort of delicious biscuit."
Manny: "It's a coaster!"
Bernard: "Is it? Are there any more?"
pay so much for alcohol??
The alcohol is incidental in this case, just like when spraying Champagne over a fast car driver.
But for a regular wine you buy for dinner, it tastes better if you pay more. This is well-proven. Even if you know this, and know price-quality correlation is low in double-blind tests, it still tastes better if you spend more. The human brain is weird.
need to do something with the rent money from tenants ….. nothing like a taking a bath filled with organic milk and a glass of grange while you soak in it …..
on a serious note ….some people don’t drink for the alcohol, it’s the flavour …. and people who are into wines things like grange are a bench mark so it allows you to better compare cheaper wines for value, myself and a group of friends often chip in, buy an expensive wine and have a glass each along with some cheaper ones.
2009 was a year plagued with drought. Not the best conditions for an ideal vintage.
China's giant tariffs on Aussie wine ,probably means excess stock sitting in a warehouse , could be the reason for the discount.
Im quite sure in a double blind experiment that the wine toffs who wax lyrical about expensive wines could not tell the difference between this and a decent $20 bottle lol
I'd be happy to be part of your experiment. Let me know when it'll be
I’ve had grange 3 or 4 times.
I would never pay hundreds for a bottle of wine.
Nevertheless, it is markedly more refined than a $20 wine, and would be very apparent to anybody who drinks red wine.I think you can get pretty good wine for $20 if you hunt it down, and can easily get a good wine for $30.
A $100 wine can taste better, and a $500 a bit better still.Is it worth it if you can get 80% of the benefit for $30? Not for me, but that doesn’t mean the benefit is nonexistent.
Can you recommend a few $30 wine please?
$30 wine is easy. Wynns black label is regularly under $30, and consistently high quality (and the cheaper wynns are pretty good too). A touch over $30 is St Hugo (the Cab Sav). Wolf Blass grey label, Parker Coonawarra, Brokenwood.
These are in any bottle shop. They won't impress wine snobs, but the reason they are the most popular wines is because they are consistently high standard and enjoyable. The same is true of Penfolds, except they are the Apple of wine - good products but you pay a premium compared to competitors with similar quality.Check out posts here by Tonester for regular high quality wines at a good discount (they are much more of an enthusiast than me). Tonester seeks out lesser known, premium quality, smaller vineyards, or mainstream premium wine at a good discount.
My own preference is to find good drinking wine for low or very low prices.
This month was 2017 Philip Shiraz under $15 a bottle (if you order 12 here you will get 50% off https://mountpleasantwines.com.au/collections/all/products/2… but you need to be on their mailing list, I think)Kemeny's also has a range of hidden label wines that are usually of good quality at a good discount, if you can handle the risk of a surprise.
Pepperjack shiraz, this never fails. Please give it a try
Blackstone Shiraz from ALDI for only $19 is criminal!
it is markedly more refined than a $20 wine
It does taste different, but in a double-blind test, the average wine-drinker is highly likely to prefer a good $20 bottle. (Where "good" is defined by such tests.)
People can be taught to recognise the "refined" wines (as defined by winemakers), but that does not mean they taste better, in any objective sense.
I highly recommend watching the documentary, "Sour Grapes"!
Yeah I heard it on Joe Rogan show
Will watch today
The same problem exists not just for wine toffs but audiophiles and cameraphiles etc who litter blogs with anecdotal evidence mostly based on expectancy effects. Often only trained experts have any hope of picking (consistently) fine detailed differences. You can try the classic trick of giving a blindfolded person a few teas to compare and note their astonishment when its revealed one was a coffee. Thats why you need a double blind test, the subjective mind is not a great judge when it sees the lable in advance lol.
The thing with audiophile and cameraphile equipment is that you can distil the performance of the equipment down to data, measured using scientific methods. With wine at this level, it is all subjective and about emotion, memories and feel. So yes, in a double blind test, there would not be people who can differentiate which was more expensive, comparing an $800 bottle of wine from a $50 bottle of wine.
It makes no difference if the digital attributes of some sound are 'better' than some other sound if the person listening can't tell the difference either though.
You can definitely break down the chemical composition of wine for a similarly useless 'look at the balance of x y z in this'. It's just that no one bothers I guess.
The tea coffee trick is for those that think they taste with their mouth, coffee and tea are quite easy to tell the difference, however when holding your nose even an expect tea taster cannot.
Just becareful because i spilt some in my Lamborghini and the stains didnt come out, but in my Ferrari it came out easily. My supermodel wife was apologetic but shes lucky her chauffeur is great at cleaning.
I christened my new super yacht with this stuff because I’d forgotten my usual and had to call my housekeeper to bring me something and this is the only thing she had after rummaging around in the boot of her car
Great price
Bear in mind Dan Murphy's buy from Langton's, meaning the provenance could be an issue; although DM tend to source only the better conditioned bottles in terms of ullage, label condition etc based on what I saw in store.
These second hand bottles are usually from older vintages, and some bottles would have a Langton's sticker at bottom. 2009 is no longer 'new' and to me this warrants a buyer beware. Pricing is best compared with Langton's for the same reason.
God i had the 2019 last night and it's honestly the worst shiraz i've ever had, don't think an extra ten years will make it good!
even though the latest vintage is 2016?
Obviously, this dude had it straight from the barrel ;)
Maybe from a silver bag on the hills hoist?
Yes, all Grange are released 5 years after the grapes were picked. Either choumada is confused or lying.
So what does an expensive bottle of wine taste like? Never bought anything even remotely expensive, but I'm certainly willing to be convinced…
You can buy a cheap shiraz or cab sav which is very strongly flavoured, and has the fruity, earthy flavours the wine writers talk about. But it will have some unpleasant flavours too, which most people will say is 'rough'.
Premium wines will have this too, when they are very fresh, but will slowly lose those coarser flavours over time as they mature.
To combat these, most premium wine is cellared in barrels for some years before it is bottled, and often stored longer in the bottle before it is drunk.
So when you open up a cellared wine it will still have the strong flavours, but with a smoother, lighter feel on your tongue. Obviously I'm no wine writer!You can get a good idea of what is going on here reasonably cheaply. Dan's has a cellared range where you can buy a bottle of, say, 2012 Coonawarra shiraz from a reputable brand for $35 or so, and buy a bottle of the 2019 of the same wine (likely $25). Try a glass from each, and I am sure you will be able to taste a substantial difference.
I can report the Grange I have tasted is very concentrated in flavour, but also have a smooth taste (I'm sure some of that is because they have all been 20+ years old). I don't think $100+ wines are useful, and I am far from sure I could taste the difference between a 10 year old Grange and a 10 year old Penfolds Kalimna - they are made by the same wine maker, with fruit from the same vineyards - but the Grange is 15 times the price because it uses the best of the fruit, and is more carefully made. Definitely not 15 times the value.
All that said, if you are happy with a glass of soft red out of a cask, it would be a disaster to train yourself to only like expensive wine!
Very informative. Thank you!
Personally the most expensive wine I have ever tasted was the best by far, E&E Pepper shiraz. Absolutely awesome, but at $100 a bottle, one would hope so. Next best was 2nd most expensive, a Penfolds Bin 389. Very very very good. Not far off the E&E in quality. The flavour is fuller, larger, smoother. Compare it a watered juice box to a 100% juice or your Hungry Jacks burger to a Waygu steak cooked to perfection.
Both of these were presents and I personally could not justify spending $100 on a bottle of wine, but I certainly understand why some people do. IE : Those with a larger disposable income. Are they worth 2 - 3 times a $30 - $40 bottle, I would say yes. Having said that I am not a wine snob by any stretch of imagination, but personally the the taste in quality was certainly there.
Might I suggest that you buy one, from a good vintage - as varying vintages can often make a huge difference in quality with the more expensive wines - and drink it on a special occasion. Oh and let the wine breathe for a couple of hours, especially if it is 5+ years old. This will let the air penetrate the wine and give the aromas and flavours a chance to improve significantly.
I agree that $100 wines are often worth it. Beyond that it’s often more to do with demand vs supply. If a wine that’s worth about $150 gets some name recognition for a particular vintage and then gets snapped up, it will quickly become a $500 or a $800 bottle. It has just become harder to come by.
I think the sweet spot for spoiling yourself is $40-60 bucks.
Anyone know how I can get a bigger discount than 4% cb + 4-5% off via giftcards?
Not much of a Wine person but this was what i was told.
My cousin from France thinks wine is too expensive in Australia.
He spent a few years here working in restaurants.
He said you could spend $100-150 in France to get similar quality of wine worth $600+
Whether it is true, i can't confirm but i wouldn't be too surprised if this holds trueTaxes are a big part of alcohol cost here. You can see Australian wines for sale in other countries far cheaper than we can get them here locally as a consequence. It’s not just wine.
Maybe not quite the $100-to-600 comparison. A Château Pichon Longueville (either Baron or Comtesse) is about half the price of Grange but shits all over it for quality.
Yep, and that applies not only to high end wines but also to low cost ones. Decent "everyday" wine in Australia is $15 - 25 a bottle. In France it's more like €5 - 10.
I was lucky enough to experience a Penfolds wine tasting where they went through the 389, rwt, 707 etc and it also included a 100point grange, which this bottle is not. The grange was amazing but no way $700-800 amazing. Buy it only if you want to collect.
I think the penfold range is waaaaaay over priced. Even the budget Koonunga range I think should be $5 instead of $15 lol.
But that's just my opinion….each to their own.
The Taylors range of wine great value and very accessible. My goto is the Jaraman for under $20 at costco. I'd take 3 cases of this over a bottle of grange any dayAgreed RE Grange being overpriced. Had one bottle of Grange followed by a bottle of Octavius once and the Octavius was the much better bottle. Can’t see the value of the $800 against the $80-100 Octavius.
Yep
Can confirm the jaramans are a ripper of a wine great value (were 4 for $40 at liquourland a year ago) but at $20 they're still great value.
Else my go to sub $20 would be a peter lehmann portrait shiraz or the barrossan. Else most taylors are safe bets
the 1990 grange got a write up as “ top wine of the year” in a foreign magazine, overnight grange went from $110 bottle to $400 due to global demand ….the 1991 didn’t get the same write up , so people who bought 1991 hoping for same “ boom” missed the boat, prices didn’t go up, but penfolds through good marketing managed to keep the price up, and luck and demand in asia for prestige items to show of wealth came along ……
So 1990 hill of grace became the affordable drink at $90, demand went up to fill the grange void and then hill of grace went to $400 as for wine drinkers it used to be will i have grange or hill of grace , same prices in 1989.yep, a lot is marketing at these price points , and penfolds sell a lot of bottom end wines by the prestige of grange …. it’s creates a buzz for the name penfolds.
If one plan go keep for many more years, say 10 more years, can it be kept in a cold room like kitchen pantry or does it require special treatment?
Best to have cool and stable temperatures, like under the house.
Yes, recommended cellaring temp is around 13 - 15 degrees. Summer heat and or leaving wine in the kitchen with a hot stove, oven will destroy the wine.
What a steal.
No, wait, I mean robbery, that's daylight robbery.
For people who don't know, 2009 was one of the more disappointing vintages.
I remember going to Dan Murphy's for a Grange tasting years ago. A couple were waiting behind me and we started chatting. They had purchased Grange and been storing it at home, but admitted they're never tried it. They had to visit a bottle shop to try…
Grange is a bit of a scam. It's really good wine, but not dramatically better than a good $30 bottle. Penfold's makes a fortune on sales, gets the halo effect for its other wines, buyers purchase it but seldom drink it, and often keep the wine too long with starry eyed thoughts of making $10k profit on their bottle.
Have 2 x bottles of the Penfolds Grange 2014 Shiraz 750ml. 2014 Vintage is by far the best vintage out of the Penfolds range. Trying to sell them as I am not a wine drinker.
I just love when a noob gets out a nice red wine and says you have to drink it warm at room temperature 🤦
- Compared to RRP, this is a good price
- If buying this as an investment rather than to drink, then I'd suggest getting something else like shares in Treasury Wine or maybe a cryptocurrency (my favourite is Cardano FWIW)
- If buying this to drink in 10 or more years, then you need a decent place to store it - where there's no light, vibrations, decent humidity (it has a cork, rather than stelvin screw cap, so you don't want that to dry out), and the temperature should be constant and ideally below 16 degrees.
- If buying this to drink now, or even within the next 10 years, don't. Grange is good to drink now but you have to be able to imagine how much better it would eventually. You can get much better wine for drinking now that is much cheaper. This wine needs age to really build up the complexity that it's famous for. If you want to experience what all the fuss is about, for close to what this is selling for I'd buy an older vintage of Grange, roughly 20 years old give or take a few years eg I'd try to find a1996 that has been cellared well (a quick search then found it for sale for $825). If the history of the bottle is unknown, then try to get one that has been tested and certified at a relatively recent Penfolds clinic.
selling is always a challenge, wine shops like como cellars or restaurants typically give you 20% less than auction price ….idea being you don’t pay commission and get the money straight away , so to break even the wine needs to go above 20% what you paid for it at auction ….takes a while any only really works if you got in a before a wine gets the write up …..you will be buying this grange for $689 for a few years to come …..so don’t expect quick money …..
whats the RRP?