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[Preorder] Low-Earth Orbit Satellite Internet (up to 150Mb/s) $139/Month + $809 Setup @ SpaceX / Starlink

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[Preorder] Low-Earth Orbit Satellite Internet (up to 150Mb/s) $139/Month + $809 Setup @ SpaceX / Starlink
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Elon Musk’s space venture - SpaceX / Starlink is now available for preorders!

Starlink is a satellite internet service providing high-speed, low latency broadband internet with speeds from 50Mb/s to 150Mb/s and latency from 20ms to 40ms. Early beta users are reporting speeds of 100Mbps+.

For Australian addresses, the estimated date for coverage is mid-to-late 2021.

Preorders cost $139. When the service goes live, you will need to pay $809 for hardware (satellite dish + shipping) and a $139/month service fee.

This looks like an attractive option for those on NBN satellite. Also can be worthwhile to replace a slower NBN connection due to the exorbitant prices for a NBN FTTP upgrade.

Starlink is now delivering initial beta service both domestically and internationally, and will continue expansion to near global coverage of the populated world in 2021.
During beta, users can expect to see data speeds vary from 50Mb/s to 150Mb/s and latency from 20ms to 40ms in most locations over the next several months as we enhance the Starlink system. There will also be brief periods of no connectivity at all.
As we launch more satellites, install more ground stations and improve our networking software, data speed, latency and uptime will improve dramatically.

As a point of reference, the best speeds achieved on Starlink in USA are

Download: 209.17 Mbps
Upload: 47.74 Mbps
Ping: 15 ms

List of Confirmed Starlink Speed Tests

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The referrer and referee receives bonus credit for a month of standard service, 30 days after the referee activates and keeps their Starlink. Referrals will only issue credits to Standard Plan (Residential) and Mobile Regional (Roam) subscriptions. Kits purchased from a retailer or reseller are not eligible for the referral program. No credit will be given even if a referral link was used during activation.

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    • MSG on 09/02/2021 - 13:30
      +90

      This can be a game changer in places without decent NBN or 4G / 5G coverage. Not exactly designed for urban areas, but cheaper than a FTTP upgrade to higher speeds.

      • mini2 on 09/02/2021 - 13:34
        +23

        Absolutely. I've seen Sky Muster with >1000ms latency (that's navy ship level of shittiness) and while Aurora isn't anywhere near as bad but it's nowhere near 20-40ms latency quoted by Starlink.

      • MSG on 09/02/2021 - 13:49
        +6

        Interesting link to speed test results. I've updated the post as well with the fastest speeds to date.

        List of Confirmed Starlink Speed Tests

    • [Deactivated] on 09/02/2021 - 13:30
      +6

      If you look at the competition for satellite internet its worse and has data caps.

      • mathew42 on 09/02/2021 - 14:21
        +15

        It is the 20-40ms latency that will see people pay for this. It makes video calls and gaming possible. Speed and data caps are secondary to this.

        I expect that emergency services (especially country fire services) will early adopters so that command centres in the field can have ready access to the same satellite imagery as head office.

        • pm086 on 11/02/2021 - 12:08
          +1

          Not to mention many mining companies who have remote operations, usually in the middle of absolutely nowhere, but require a truck to be remotely driven from Perth.

        • jv on 15/02/2021 - 23:22
          +1

          It makes video calls and gaming possible.

          Lets see what the numbers are like when real numbers of people start using it.

          • affinity on 15/02/2021 - 23:47

            @jv: And when most of the satellites are in place.

      • Diji1 on 19/02/2021 - 15:30

        the competition

        Competition usually drives prices up in reality. Not what the theory for the braindead says but that's what happens.

    • Merlict on 09/02/2021 - 13:31
      +18

      Lol obviously you've never used the older satellite net, this is lightning fast in comparison

    • GrueHunter on 09/02/2021 - 13:31
      +6

      laughs in FTTN

    • mwblink86 on 09/02/2021 - 13:33
      +13

      Its better speed than NBN fixed wireless too. We all dont live in Cities

      • Twix on 09/02/2021 - 13:58
        +2

        NBN are looking into 5G for fixed wireless. nbn sets 5G long-range transmission world record

        • mwblink86 on 09/02/2021 - 14:11

          My fixed wireless drops out for days sometime, maybe the 5g signal might be better. I dont know how any of it works lol

          • Twix on 09/02/2021 - 14:21

            @mwblink86: Tell your ISP about the dropouts. NBN need to come fix that.

        • Diji1 on 19/02/2021 - 15:32

          Wireless is garbage. Doing it over longer and longer distances only increases it's hopelessly inconsistent service levels.

    • Jklaro on 09/02/2021 - 13:48

      I get only 100mb/s and that finer to the house. This is crazy good.

      • Twix on 09/02/2021 - 13:59
        +4

        FTTP = up to 1000/400.

        • BlinkyBill on 09/02/2021 - 14:08
          +3

          Yeah FTTP has the scope to go much much faster.

          • Twix on 09/02/2021 - 14:09
            +2

            @BlinkyBill: Yeah when NBN pull their finger out :-)

        • ATangk on 09/02/2021 - 14:09
          +15

          If only a certain government didnt sabotage FTTP for everyone. Our NBN comprised of years of waiting just for someone to come along and say,

          "Your current connection is already NBN, thx for the tax monies buying our old networks. Oh but you need to sign up to a more expensive plan, since theres a new name now."

          • Diji1 on 19/02/2021 - 15:38

            @ATangk: The Labor NBN was always going to be a disaster because the private sector was allowed to operate on it. Australians paid the upgrade costs that the private sector should have paid and then continued to be scammed by the private sector. They are literally braindead.

            The ACCC head describes this as "severely damaging" the overall economy.

            • ATangk on 19/02/2021 - 16:19

              @Diji1: So… what’s this NBN that we have now? Exactly what you described but worse. Since we don’t get FTTP and still get slugged the same if not more.

    • axlfan on 09/02/2021 - 14:27
      +9

      U kidding right? This is satellite internet and will be GAME CHANGER for rural and country folk!

      I get 95 Mbps on wired NBN for $90 a month!

    • Okayy on 09/02/2021 - 14:30
      +3

      @Koipanda Great when it comes with no censorship.

    • brifog on 09/02/2021 - 14:54
      +4

      Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between MegaBYTES and MegaBITS.

    • R4 on 09/02/2021 - 15:04

      When you look at what's involved to get that it's not

    • DMFD on 09/02/2021 - 15:21
      -8

      geez, the hate on the opinion. It is quite shit though. Why wouldnt you just mesh wifi small remote towns at that point

    • ChadHominem on 09/02/2021 - 15:46

      Well if you think 150 megabytes a second is shit, divide that by 8..

      • the discombobulated… on 10/02/2021 - 15:46

        Multiply ;) and Mb is megabits. :) so it's 150 megabits/sec at 20ms latency is pretty decent and I'd say competitive not just in rural areas but in cities in certain situations.

        I'm surprised the deal is this good. I expected worse pricing and internet speed and latency.

        • ChadHominem on 11/02/2021 - 23:19

          What?
          They said

          up to 150MB/s only? Thats quite shit

          So I pointed out it’s actually (150/8) megabytes a second

    • [Deactivated] on 09/02/2021 - 19:15
      -1

      150 MB/s is extremely good, that's rougly gigabit internet, about the most you can do on FTTP with non extortionate pricing.

      150Mb/s which is what this actually is, is alright, still better than most household's actually get with FTTP, but obviously not as good as FTTP can top out at.

    • lac0449 on 09/02/2021 - 20:13

      clearly you dont live in area that are subject to only skymuster access….
      eyeroll

    • kranix on 15/02/2021 - 10:58

      I suggest you learn the difference between bits (b) and bytes (B) before trying to judge.

  • [Deactivated] on 09/02/2021 - 13:27
    +56

    This could be great for rural communities, I can't see it been used in metro areas.

    • xdivino on 09/02/2021 - 13:29
      +32

      that's pretty much the point of this service… NBN should really have bought in to this for rural delivery of NBN service.
      You'd kinda be silly to get this if your in a metro area that has FTTx services.

      • ndenham on 09/02/2021 - 13:43
        +40

        I'm as happy to ding the NBN for being poorly planned as the next guy but to be fair Starlink didn't exist even as an idea more than say 3 or 4 years ago whereas the NBN was planned ~13 years ago.

        The NBN should absolutely pivot to using this as soon as they can get out of their existing arrangements though.

          • banana365 on 09/02/2021 - 14:00
            +107

            @1st-Amendment: Havers. The private sector (Telstra) sat on their globally embarrassing network for decades longer than they should have just to wring every last penny out of it that they could. Other countries had fantastic nationwide broadband networks installed many years ago, by governments, not by private enterprise (with the exception of private enterprise with massive government funding).

            Telstra's greed and arrogance combined with government ineptitude has left Australia lagging behind in technology.

            • sjj89 on 09/02/2021 - 15:06
              +65

              @banana365: internet is a utility, not a commodity. Government should own and operate all utilities. Privatising utilities has always given poor results.

              • banana365 on 09/02/2021 - 15:07
                +8

                @sjj89: Absolutely, though not sure if you meant to respond to me.

                • sjj89 on 09/02/2021 - 15:17
                  +8

                  @banana365: yep! clicked the wrong damn reply button.

              • RedHab on 09/02/2021 - 16:04
                +16

                @sjj89: True - I'd expand that to "Privatising utilities monopolies has always given poor results."

            • blueskywalker on 09/02/2021 - 18:42
              +1

              @banana365: In Europe there's fibre to the premises done by private companies

              • banana365 on 09/02/2021 - 19:47
                +5

                @blueskywalker: True, but they're done under strict regulation, true competition (not the "who sucks up to the Libs the best" competition between a couple of players in Australia) and an entirely different type of market.

              • Kevin Coleman on 10/02/2021 - 08:46
                +1

                @blueskywalker: Europe is a very broad term, it's available too in Australia if you care to pay!

            • bpop99 on 13/02/2021 - 12:35
              +3

              @banana365: Its shocking how our collective short term memories, and concerted attempts to downplay this and attach NBN as some commie dream has lead to people forgetting this to being the case AND at the same time taking for granted that most people today have access to much better internet.

              Lets also not forget those that attacked FTTP, forced NBN to buy the old copper lines from Telstra (basically a bailout if you look at it another way) to be saddled with an aging line.

              Lastly, to be fair, the Sky Muster was a good idea in general, and is really a precursor to amazing satellite technology like this. I'm very critical of the whole mixed mode stuff, but satellites for remote internet, for all its flaws, was not the wrong choice.

              • et tu brute on 15/02/2021 - 14:20
                +5

                @bpop99: @bpop99

                "Lets also not forget those that attacked FTTP, forced NBN to buy the old copper lines from Telstra (basically a bailout if you look at it another way) to be saddled with an aging line."

                Not just the aged and obsolete Tel$tra copper PSTN, but also the NBN Co was forced to purchase both Tel$tra's and Optus's HFC networks. Telstra HFC was able to be absorbed into the NBN Co network, but Optus HFC was made redundant almost immediately due to costs and lack of compatibility. These decisions were made politically to force the NBN Co to adopt this infrastructure and merge into the Abbott/Turnbull MTM model. A massive waste of capital that the NBN Co was forced to outlay at the time.

            • affinity on 16/02/2021 - 22:09

              @banana365: It was better for Hel$tra to invest elsewhere with greater return, they didn't give a stuff about AU especially with it's extremely dominant market position.

              The only time we started to get call cost relief was when Optus setup shop.

              And as for ADSL, it was limited to 1500/256 or 512/512 at best until other parties starting deploying DSL equipment at the exchange in protest from Hel$tra.

              Private sector has a hell of a time competing in the past with Hel$tra, even when Hel$tra was required to make services available for wholesale customers — the pricing was still extreme and Hel$tra got almost 100% (not quite) of the revenue from each and every DSL service until other DSLAMs come in to play. Even then, many exchanges were deemed to be full by Hel$tra, only to end up getting more Hel$tra DLAMs installed in the same ones.

              And to top it all off, Hel$tra are complaining to NBN about high costs?!?!?!?! Talk about pot, kettle, black…..

              If Telstra want business, then they should have built out their networks so that NBN wasn't necessary and given us fair prices without being pushed bu competition to do so.

          • Blitzfx on 09/02/2021 - 14:04
            +32

            @1st-Amendment: Until you look at the oligopoly that is Comcast, Verizon and AT&T.

            https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/comcast-raised-p…

            Yeah no thanks. Rather have government manage the NBN than pay double/triple the price

          • AltF4 on 09/02/2021 - 14:06
            +8

            @1st-Amendment: the main reason the government does get involved in this is usually the high barrier of entry mainly due to the price required to contribute all this infrastructure such as telstra.

          • pjetson on 09/02/2021 - 14:26
            +45

            @1st-Amendment:

            the private sector always finds a way to do it better and cheaper

            Ah, this would explain why our utilities bills are now much cheaper than they used to be. Oh, wait…

              • banana365 on 09/02/2021 - 15:18
                +30

                @1st-Amendment: The carbon tax was really a shift in cost. The removal of it is something we'll all pay for, just in longer lasting ways.

                Though as you seem fixated on a Labor implemented tax as the reason for electricity price rises, how do you explain the 100%+ rises (that show no sign of decreasing, or even levelling off) for some states when the carbon tax only accounted for around 14% and that ceased several parliaments ago?

                https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart…

                • 1st-Amendment on 10/02/2021 - 14:04
                  -3

                  @banana365:

                  Though as you seem fixated on a Labor implemented tax as the reason for electricity price rises

                  Nope. But good attempted strawman…

                  • banana365 on 10/02/2021 - 14:17
                    +5

                    @1st-Amendment: You really don't seem to know a lot of the terms you're throwing around do you?

                • affinity on 15/02/2021 - 18:49

                  @banana365: The VDO is a reason why many people whom had good deals, cannot get them now; all the "good" deals are poor. It sure helps those that were on the rotten original plans with no discounts, but for everyone else, it has increased costs (generally); aside from the latest round of cuts to wholesale costs.

                  My supplier is one of the most expensive going around, somehow they managed to delay price cuts in the latest round, looking at you AusNet. Many other wholesale suppliers have lower costs already. However, the deals available are not as good as they were before VDO was a thing.

                  The best we can do as consumers is install solar and perhaps down the track add in battery tech when it is more affordable. My solar should be much better, but we're limited to exporting 5Kw at any time, so I get flat lining on good sun days, If batteries were affordable (without rebates or other problems), then I could feed the batteries instead of the inverter limiting the solar generation. As it is now, I only get 10.2c per Kwh and have to pay more than double that to buy it back in the evening and overnight. The export limit needs to go and the wholesales costs need to be greatly lessened; there should also be parity with FIT rates and the rates paid for usage.

              • Loot N Plunder on 09/02/2021 - 16:14
                +15

                @1st-Amendment: LOL

                The European Parliament gave the nod to the move on Friday, which means Australian products entering the EU will be hit by a tariff to make up for the fact Australia has no price on carbon.
                https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/02/08/carbon-border-…

                The liberal nationals will be dragged along kicking and screaming weather they like it or not.
                How good is that

                • tileys on 09/02/2021 - 17:27
                  +1

                  @Loot N Plunder: I said this would happen years ago - it is obvious that economies around the world will not take lightly the lack of effort some economies have made to pull their weight because they wanted their companies to make more money.

                • CookieJacker31 on 09/02/2021 - 22:31

                  @Loot N Plunder: The major pollution leakage is industry. Ie Europe exporting their high CO2 manufacturing to developing countries. The UK is one of the worst CO2 dodgers according to their own experts. Shutting down steel mills and importing steel doesn't make global emissions go down but does look on your country's CO2 balance sheet.

                  This won't hit Australia that hard, Europe is only about $20b and most of our exports to Europe are not high CO2 industries. Minerals (gold, metallurgical coal, farm produce etc are limited in CO2. Europe sells us car (tons and tons of emissions in car manufacture, just making the iron and aluminium is brutal). It will also hurt our competitors in the same fields.

                • 1st-Amendment on 10/02/2021 - 14:12
                  -3

                  @Loot N Plunder:

                  The liberal nationals will be dragged along kicking and screaming weather they like it or not.
                  How good is that

                  How good is paying more tax for no percerptible gain in anything? I'd say that's sounds really dumb.
                  And while we pay more tax, and things cost more here, China isn't subject to the same rules so will undercut our industry even further. How good is that (if you're Chinese)?

                  • Loot N Plunder on 10/02/2021 - 14:40
                    +7

                    @1st-Amendment: How good is paying more tax for no percerptible gain in anything?

                    You just like the liberal national just don't get it do you?

                    Just like the billion dead fish last year
                    the record fires
                    the towns with no water
                    the record heat
                    the extinction of animals that took millions of years to evolve
                    the record land clearing done by Australia

                    Never mind we will frack, dig up and burn coal drain the rivers dry clear the last tree pollute until our hearts are content because we have planet B or god will come and save us

                    Hallelujah amen

                    Or we can believe science
                    Your call for your children's future

                    • 1st-Amendment on 10/02/2021 - 15:45
                      -7

                      @Loot N Plunder:

                      You just like the liberal national just don't get it do you?

                      Don't get what?

                      Just like the billion dead fish last year

                      Fishkills are natural events. How many tax dollars would you be happy to spend to save 1 fish?

                      the record fires

                      85% of bushfires are lit. How many tax dollars are you willing to pay to get those to people to stop lighting fires?

                      the towns with no water

                      Which ones?

                      the record heat

                      According to NASA data, it's about 0.1 deg per decade averaged across the globe. How much would you pay to reduce the temperate by 0.1 degree for 10 years? For the parts of the world who have improved climate conditions, how much should they pay to fund your discomfort by 0.01 deg per year?

                      the extinction of animals that took millions of years to evolve

                      There's been 5 mass extinction events, all of which happened before humans. What caused those and how much tax would it have taken to prevent them?

                      the record land clearing done by Australia

                      Will more tax prevent a farmer from clearing their own land?

                      Or we can believe science

                      None of this is science, it's emotional fear mongering. If the argument goes along the lines of 'here's some bad stuff, give us money to make it go away' it is most likely a scam.

                      If you disagree, then feel free to definitively list the actual demonstrable benefits we've gained from Climate Policy against costs incurred so we can measure this scientifically. Or do you only throw the word science around without actually understanding what it means?

                    • Jhonka on 11/02/2021 - 13:03

                      @Loot N Plunder: but ma negative geared properties!

                  • et tu brute on 15/02/2021 - 14:26
                    +2

                    @1st-Amendment: @1st-Amendment
                    "How good is that (if you're Chinese)?"

                    Sounds like your been sipping the kool-aid with ScoMo… How good is that? ;)

                    • 1st-Amendment on 15/02/2021 - 15:54
                      -1

                      @et tu brute:

                      Sounds like your been sipping the kool-aid with ScoMo… How good is that? ;)

                      Did you have a counterpoint or do you have no idea so simply resort to petty insults?
                      The Paris accord requires Australia to commit to reduce CO2 levels to 2005 level by 2030. This costs money to do, money which you and I will pay for.
                      It requires China, the world's biggest CO2 emitter, to do nothing until 2030, meaning they have been handed competitive advantage for at least 14 years (since 2016).

                      Why do you think it's good that we will be stung with higher costs, more taxes, while China doesn't?
                      Do you think it's good that this will mean more Australian jobs/industry go to China since they can offer lower costs and take more of our jobs?

                      China's emissions increase since 2016 is more than the entirety of Australia's emissions. So even if we turned the country off for a year, global CO2 still increases.

                      So tell me, why is it good that we pay more tax and higher prices for absolutely no perceptible gain in anything?
                      In fact we pay more tax AND lose more jobs. Only a fool would think that is a good idea.

                      • affinity on 15/02/2021 - 17:28

                        @1st-Amendment: China has actually made a greater commitment than Australia has; they are on target to be zero emissions by 2060 I believe as their date. Almost always when Chins makes a commitment, they over achieve, unlike LNP whom always under achieve and benefit from pure luck, such as high resources income due to things that LNP have zero control over. The LNP budgets are always based on assumptions that are far too optimistic, but give the "results" they profess they can achieve and then they fail on those results only to be "helped" out by the luck as mentioned above.

                        • 1st-Amendment on 16/02/2021 - 11:41

                          @affinity:

                          they are on target to be zero emissions by 2060 I believe as their date.

                          You believe? And what you believe is worth more than actual facts?

                          China's emissions increase since 2016 is more than the entirety of Australia's annual emissions. Facts don't care what you believe.

                          • affinity on 16/02/2021 - 22:15

                            @1st-Amendment: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/05/china-…

                            Cutting down on ScumMo's coal is part of the commitment and I'm sure they have greater plans to make AU pay (warranted or not). LNP has made China an enemy and for that, every Australian will pay.

                            • 1st-Amendment on 17/02/2021 - 10:41
                              -1

                              @affinity:

                              Cutting down on ScumMo's coal is part of the commitment

                              1. There is no commitment, China has no obligation under the Paris Agreement until 2030. I suggest you stop reading trash like the Guardian.

                              2. China's emissions increase since 2016 is more than the entirety of Australia's annual emissions. Facts don't care what you believe.

                              LNP has made China an enemy

                              1. China was has been an enemy since the end of WW2, all that has changed is that this is now recognised across both sides of politics thanks to Trump not being too scared to call out the elephant in the room.
                              • affinity on 17/02/2021 - 22:47

                                @1st-Amendment: In modern times, it has never been as bad as now, the AU / CN relationship.

                                China has made a commitment, which is a damn sight more that LNP whom are being dragged to a "preferably" statement that doesn't hold water; if it held water, it would be sold!

                                • 1st-Amendment on 18/02/2021 - 10:24
                                  -2

                                  @affinity:

                                  In modern times, it has never been as bad as now, the AU / CN relationship

                                  Also the NZ/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Brunei/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Cambodia/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Indonesia/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Laos/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Malaysia/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Myanmar/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Philippines/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Singapore/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Thailand/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Vietnam/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Taiwan/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Japan/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Korea/CN relationship,
                                  Also the US/CN relationship,
                                  Also the Canada/CN relationship,
                                  etc
                                  etc

                                  Hmmm, I wonder what is the common connection here…

                                  China has made a commitment

                                  No they haven't. They are under precisely zero commitments until 2030. And they are by far the world's largest emitter of CO2, and they increase their emissions by more than Australia's total emissions every few years.

                                  But we should raise our taxes, that will make us feel better about ourselves lol…

                      • Loot N Plunder on 15/02/2021 - 18:23
                        +1

                        @1st-Amendment: See your at it again spreading falsehoods
                        There is more than enough BUT your team are corrupt
                        https://www.michaelwest.com.au/revealed-australias-top-40-ta…

                        Had the last seven years to do something anything
                        What have we got?
                        rorts
                        porkbarrels
                        lies
                        corruption
                        cowardice in parliament
                        theft
                        police investigations
                        branch stacking
                        jobs for mates

                        and another case of sexual misconduct (alleged rape) swept under the carpet

                        Definitely a team to be proud of

                        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuPoVG1UcAg-BJx?format=jpg&name=…

                        I will put a simple question to you what have the liberal nationals done in the past seven years that has been good for Australia?

                        https://twitter.com/MikeCarlton01/status/1361161339910021120

                        • 1st-Amendment on 16/02/2021 - 11:37

                          @Loot N Plunder:

                          See your at it again spreading falsehoods

                          Which part of what I said was false? You wrote whole lot about something else, but ever actually addressed anything I said.

                          • Loot N Plunder on 16/02/2021 - 12:00

                            @1st-Amendment: The largest drops in carbon are from a labor government
                            The liberals have not reduced emissions they have increased it
                            https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/6686d4…

                            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMb2EppVUAA32AA.jpg:large

                            for absolutely no perceptible gain in anything?
                            Doing something for the good of Earth our home surely is a reason? Do you clean up your home or live in trash?

                            Going green will create more jobs than the mines going robotic don't you think? the trains are going that way to.

                            If Australia wont do it then someone else will force us and then let china get away with it. Don't think so they will be hit the same.

                            Collect the tax here or let someone else have it? What happened to the MRRT
                            Why haven't the liberals used BHP steel? To busy buying from china to busy selling houses, education, ports, airports, islands, jobs, water, food, farms to them.

                            A quick edit
                            I will put a simple question to you again what have the liberal nationals done in the past seven years that has been good for Australia?

                            • 1st-Amendment on 16/02/2021 - 12:43

                              @Loot N Plunder:

                              Doing something for the good of Earth our home surely is a reason?

                              Only if you can measure the effect of what your action is, which you can't. Merely taxing Australians more while China, the world's biggest CO2 emitter, has no obligations doesn't meet your goal. Surely you can see that?

                              • Loot N Plunder on 16/02/2021 - 13:11
                                -1

                                @1st-Amendment: Its got to start and if not by us who?

                                When its to late to do anything then prevention was the best cure.

                                So what we waste billions doing something isn't that better than doing nothing and finding out it was true and to late?

                                The future another morrison government FAIL
                                prove me wrong

                                I will put a simple question to you again (3dr) what have the liberal nationals done in the past seven years that has been good for Australia?

          • asdfaoeu on 09/02/2021 - 14:28
            +2

            @1st-Amendment: 5 years later though… By that logic we should have never built copper phone networks and just waited for fibre. Satellite internet was obviously not cost effective for companies in Australia before.

            • 1st-Amendment on 09/02/2021 - 14:38
              -4

              @asdfaoeu: What you wrote there is not logic.

              Satellite internet was obviously not cost effective for companies in Australia before.

              So if it's not cost effective, why is the government burning taxpayer money investing in it? Does burning other people's money somehow make it a better idea?

              • asdfaoeu on 09/02/2021 - 14:48
                +6

                @1st-Amendment: Well the cynic in me would say political reasons but the other argument would be the economic argument is that it would increase economic output. Same reason they provide subsidised public transport, roads and education. Even Starlink is getting subsides from the US government (not to mention all the subsidies SpaceX has gotten) https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/07/spacex-starlink-wins-nearly-…

                • 1st-Amendment on 10/02/2021 - 13:46
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                  @asdfaoeu: It's little more complicated than that. A valid role of government is to create an environment for business to succeed in order to build a stronger economy, hence things like subsidies and tax breaks are within their remit. What their role isn't, is to build stuff themselves as this has proven time and time again to end up with crap solutions eg NBN.

          • Meconium on 09/02/2021 - 14:56
            +2

            @1st-Amendment: It wouldn’t have been better or cheaper if they’d finished the job the first time.

          • sjj89 on 09/02/2021 - 15:17
            +9

            @1st-Amendment: internet is a utility, not a commodity. Government should own and operate all utilities. Privatising utilities has always given poor results.

          • Cyb3rGlitch on 09/02/2021 - 17:58
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: They'll do it better alright… for metro areas. The point of the NBN was to fund a reliable network for everyone, not just where it's profitable to do so.

          • trixpan on 10/02/2021 - 01:04
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: Only if you ignore the money starlink received from the USA govt for its satellite internet…

            But all of that would pale in comparison to all those private sector USD spent on getting Von Braun into USA soil where would eventually build the Saturn V and pave the way to Space X and its competitors…

            • 1st-Amendment on 10/02/2021 - 14:08
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              @trixpan:

              Only if you ignore the money starlink received from the USA govt for its satellite internet…

              Differentiate between funding and governance; and execution

              But all of that would pale in comparison to all those private sector USD spent on getting Von Braun into USA soil

              And if Hitler hadn't have gassed the Jews… and if…

          • furythree on 06/03/2021 - 12:46

            @1st-Amendment: Internet should be a utility like water and electricty gas, if government was involved youd have less of the price racket we all currently experience

            its only inefficient if they outsource a major part of it to private

            • 1st-Amendment on 07/03/2021 - 15:19
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              @furythree:

              if government was involved youd have less of the price racket

              You have a price racket BECAUSE of the Government. NBN is owned by the government and it sets the prices.

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