Non-Plus users have the option of Wireless1's $179 with free delivery over $200
Not sure when these became available as I only started my AP hunt a few days ago, but thought this was decent given that other stores have it going for $189-199.
I did a search on the ACMA website seeing if they have done anything toward approval for 6Ghz which is what E is about, I don't have high hopes that it will be any time soon :(
Doubt Ubiquiti will have anything with 6E for another 2 years. 6Ghz devices aren’t approved for unlicensed use in Australia so even if they were to hit the US, that frequency for now would need to be disabled. Apparently it’s a pretty similar situation in most regions outside of the US where spectrum use is restricted.
Yep, that’s the timeline I’m thinking. Waiting for that to upgrade, but the AC Pro will easily do me for the mean time. If your current Wi-Fi was shit it’s not going to be worth waiting for 6E in Australia.
If all your devices are Wi-Fi 6 then 6E doesn’t gain you much, but if you’re in a dense / mixed environment it could.
https://www.acma.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/FYSO%202…
Doc has a section on 6ghz, basically a "discussion paper" was submitted in Q4 2020, so very early days yet, won't be good for approvals here for a while Is my guess also!
These only landed in Aus in the past week, but they've been available in the Ubiquiti early access store for about seven months, they went to retail about five months ago from memory.
Also note https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ubiquiti-says-cloud-hosted-it…
Wonderfully vague comments about what may-or-may-not have been accessed.
I got the email from them about it and thought it was a pretty good. It detailed what they believed to have been leaked and encouraged people to change their password (not only on this platform but others if need be).
I think they probably still need to do some more investigation, but being proactive and telling what they know so far is a good thing. If it comes out later that more data is leaked, I think they know their audience enough to come out and give further details.
Be interesting to see what Troy Hunt thinks about it in his next weekly update as he is a huge evangelist of their gear - https://www.troyhunt.com/tag/weekly-update/
Can I ask what more you'd expect them to know if it's a third party that got breached? Would you want them to wait till they had every detail laid out?
What they did IMO is par for the course. Release what info you have now so that people can take pro-active measures and then release more info later when the investigation progresses.
Much better handled than the shopback leak.
It's a bit of a cop-out. As if the "external cloud provider" which they don't name isn't AWS - where the bulk of their services appear to already be hosted.
I very much doubt the source of the leak was from AWS - as opposed to some misconfiguration or vulnerability on UI's part.
The narrative here should really be around mandatory cloud logins / services and arbitrary apps being required for hardware, which really, has no need for cloud connectivity. And yes, I know technically you can use Ubiquity gear without the app etc, but half the functions aren't available or configurable.
It would be very disingenuous of them to mention the cloud infrastructure provider to imply fault, if indeed it was not a fault of that provider. I suspect if it was simply a mis-configuration issue within that cloud providers console, even if not named, they'd be open to a huge lawsuit.
If they were simply trying to imply that it wasn't anything to do with the software running on their hardware, they could have easily said that in a much better way.
I suspect there might be a lot more to come out of this in terms of the breach… potentially other companies affected.
All in all, I respect your cynicism as the history books on companies handling breaches well (even technical ones) doesn't bode well… Troy does seem to be some what critical too - https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1348727530186960897
@bargaineer: The wording was designed to make it look like another parties fault, but it said ‘hosted by’, and I doubt they’re using any SAAS beyond potentially a DB so it really looks like 100% UI’s fault. If it was a third parties fault they generally get mentioned.
It’d be just as worrying if they were sending everyone’s user records to anyone that wasn’t just providing hosting.There’s a massive lack of detail here that doesn’t inspire confidence, and I say this as someone who’s had to write a few awkward emails/reports to clients about failures.
I've been using Ubiquiti stuff for over a decade. Don't have an account, none of my setups have required a cloud login. ???
@DonWilson: Then you're not affected. It was only their portal that was affected, not their devices themselves.
@grumpybum: Right, but nemesis was complaining about having to have a login. You don't have to have one.
@DonWilson: Fair enough. I misread your response thinking the question marks were asking if you were affected. I'll get back in my box now :)
@DonWilson: Some of the newer equipment really does need one, at least for protect. As far as I know you don’t need one for any of the AP’s.
Finally UI jumped on wifi 6 bandwagon.
Ubiquiti have had Wifi 6 hardware for well over a year - the Amplifi Alien was launched in November 2019, while the Unifi APs have been around for five or six months at retail.
Hopefully the LR come across soon. Sounds like a nano performance but with the wifi6 added on.
I have just got one of these and overall I'm pretty happy with it. Two things to note:
- they don't come with a POE injector (has to be purchased separately)
- my existing injector from my previous AC lite wasn't compatible. I had to use my POE switch to power this new wifi 6
Yes, but that reduces the size and weight of the packaging and reduces the cost of the whole unit. The injectors can be purchased separately for very reasonable money, for those that need them. Remember these are designed primarily for business environments where PoE switches will be used, making the injectors useless - I have dozens of them from various models in a box for exactly this reason. You're never going to please everyone all of the time, but personally and professionally I think this is the better option.
Damn Ubiquit and their POE standards…
24v Passive (their standard for ages), finally started adding 802.3af to some but not all devices and now 48v POE
Pick one and stick to it…preferably 802.3af
A bunch of their stuff needs more power than af can provide, so at or bt, (POE+ or POE++) but at least you can have a switch with all of those.
I was umming-and-ahhing about 'when will the WiFi 6 APs land in Australia' and even asked around on Ubi forums and reddit. I went ahead anyway and got the nano but returned it a couple weeks later (never opened). Glad changed my mind.
Bugger, ordered it for $179 from MWave a few days ago. Good deal OP.
For non-technical folk who want Wifi 6 in their homes, but don't have or don't want to run a Unifi controller (yes that includes the UDM), the Amplifi Alien is due in a couple of weeks. It is not even remotely what you'd call cheap, but it should deliver whole home coverage and is exceptionally easy to manage and maintain.
not even remotely what you'd call cheap
Ballpark price in AUD?
Alien router $599. Alien router and meshpoint $999.
RRP is only $99 USD so this is a bit on the expensive side.
That may be the case - USD$99 works out to around AUD$128 given fee free exchange rate, plus GST puts it at $141. However that ignores freight and distribution costs. At $169 the retailer is making less than 10% over their wholesale costs, so no one is ripping you off here.
$99USD RRP will not be their wholesale cost.. but yeh in general I agree with you people can't convert USD to AUD and expect the pricing to align.
No, it isn't - I know what the wholesale costs are for various quantities because I purchase from the same national distributor. The national distributor will be buying for less than USD$99, but by the time retailers can buy it, it is very much more than $140, I can assure you.
How do the Lites compare to Pros for home use?
It depends on your home layout. I live in a double brick house and the lite doesn’t work in the backyard. Replacing this with the pro gives me around 75% signal instead.
When I was in an apartment, the lite was good enough.
Thanks for the insight :)
Had some unifi 6 lite aps for a while their pretty good though do note they are not 4x4. But they go well with nanohd (same size).
I am waiting for In-Wall WiFi 6 access point.
Does anybody know when it's going to be available in AU?
No dates at this stage. There's no point in us speculating as the national distributor won't know until they've had confirmation the container is actually arriving - there are containers of hardware sitting in ports in China that haven't been allowed to leave for quite some time, so just because an order has been paid for and processed by the manufacturer no longer means anything.
I'm also waiting for the in-wall APs. Will continue to be patient.
Hey guys, sorry to ask a noob question and even though I work in IT i'm still a bit confused.
But this is basically a wifi extender but theres only a LAN cable.
How do you put it somewhere in the house when it needs to be connected to LAN and no power?
It's an access point, not an extender. It uses PoE to power it so you either need a PoE switch or an injector. The bigger brothers come with injectors but the lite version doesn't.
Multi-band UniFi APs can 'mesh' or use wireless for uplink to another UniFi AP to network. You'll still need PoE to the remote AP.
https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002262328-UniFi-Con…
Nitpick: an 'AP' is just a place where you connect to WiFi. So a mesh/extender is still an AP.
No, this is what you'd probably call 'pro-sumer' - it's not Cisco / Aruba corporate gear, but it's an order of magnitude better than your Netgear / D-Link stuff. You would turn off the wifi built into your NBN router and use this for Wifi instead.
It needs a controller (software to configure and run it) - you can buy something called a Cloud key from Ubiquiti, or you can run software on your windows PC (or a raspberry pi, or a Docker image, or even on a cheap AWS/GCP/Azure system). You can add as many of these APs as you like if you need the coverage
I've had a single UAP-AP-Pro access point in the middle of the house mounted on the ceiling (our house is double brick and tile, about 230m2) and it's awesome. We stream spotify outside, every room in the house get's a good signal etc.
But there is a bit of a learning curve. FWIW I added their USG (security) gateway into my setup, it's all managed by the same controller.
Basically, in 2021, if your WiFi isn't cutting it, you either invest in Mesh equipment (Google WiFi, Eero, the Tenda stuff seems to be good value), or these. If you're not interested in understanding how this works, and your budget stretches to $300-500, then go the mesh options.
But I love my unifi gear…we're a bit like the Thermomix crew, once you buy one, you become a bit of a zealot.
To add to rx8pilot's post, if you're not interested in managing a network manually (and keeping it updated with occasional security patches) then get the Amplifi Alien, which will be available in a couple of weeks. A Unifi cloud key plus Wifi6 lite APs will be cheaper, but you also have to ensure you can get cable to their mounting locations. And you have to manage the Unifi Controller. If you get a mesh system like Amplifi you don't need to run any cables, and you can apply updates with a single tap on the router's touch screen. But you do pay for that convenience.
I don't think you actually need the controller unless you want the stats and autoupgrades. You used to be able to install the controller to provision the access point and then turn it off but I think you can actually provision them with a phone now. That said, I have my controller running in docker on FreeNAS because I like the stats and autoupgrades.
Yeah I just ran the controller on my Windows PC when I first got Ubiquiti gear. It doesn’t have to be continually running to use the gear, just to upgrade and monitor. Running it the same way as you now.
Basically if you can run cables a non mesh system is better, but if you only need one AP or don’t/ cannot run cables there are other solutions.
Yes, you've always been able to configure and provision Unifi gear using a controller that you then disconnect. However, this is a Very Bad Idea. All network hardware can potentially be exposed by security vulnerabilities - there's not a network vendor on the planet that doesn't regularly publish security patches for their products. Ubiquiti is particularly good at security - their products are kept up to date from their custom code right down to the OS kernel, and they do so for as long as is practical for the lifetime of the hardware (unlike pretty much any other manufacturer). However, it can only remain secure if it's kept patched - if you orphan devices by disconnecting them from the controller, they can't ever be patched. Well, unless you do it manually via SSH, but something tells me people who are deploying orphaned Unifi devices deliberately aren't going to be SSHing into those devices to patch them by hand…
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. And in this case, to make absolutely certain there's no ambiguity, you definitely shouldn't.
this is not extender but an independent access point (not a mesh network either). it needs to be hosted by a controller (you can host it on your pc if you must, a vm or separate hardware purchased).
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@TrevorX: That link isn't about disconnecting a controller, it's about managing an AP with the mobile app instead. You can use the mobile app to manage the AP including upgrades. Yeah, it's not as good as having a controller doing it automatically for you but you can do it and it's not as bad as you are making out.
Do I need a bucket and a mop for this WAP?
Not with jokes like this one.
Marked out of stock but they must have added more. Was just able to order two.
Looks like more are available but not arriving until mid to late Feb.
Is Ubiquiti also replacing their nanoHD and AC PRO with WiFi 6 versions?
Yes, eventually.
The replacement for those models is the “6 LR” which was put up for general preordered mid December for mid Jan shipping to US customers. It’s been in early access before that to the US.
Waiting on that one myself.
Just adding: it was mentioned in the Ubiquiti forum that the '6-LR' was originally badged as a 'Pro' AP. Another hint is that the LR is a 4x4 unit.
Yep. If you crawl through the spec sheet there’s lots of overlap with the previous Pro and Nano units. Probably the best bet for people looking at features aligned with either of those two units.
Where the Lite in this deal has a USD price equivalent to the US previous gen Lite pricing (@ 99USD), the 6 LR in the US is shipping at the price point of the Nano HD, so expect local pricing somewhere around the cost of a NanoHD.
A really comprehensive review for this device can be seen at: https://youtu.be/f5WUifimRcE
It's good to understand the differences between WiFi 6 and WiFi 5 before investing in the technology.
As a side note, I'm a huge fan of Ubiquiti gear and have a relatively decent investment in their products. The gear simply works and works well.
About a year ago I went to NZ on holiday and Ubiquiti gear is basically everywhere. It's pretty much the go to standard over there for hotels/motels/airbnbs/etc.
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Are these new … When will they have 6E support?