Was trying to free some space on my phone and saw the COVID safe app.
wondering what the group thinks re deleting the app?
Should I Uninstall The COVID Safe App?
nat why on 09/12/2020 - 18:41
Last edited 09/12/2020 - 18:42
Last edited 09/12/2020 - 18:42
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Why do you need someone to tell you what to do? Do you use it? Do you need it? Does that ~40MB saved space really make a difference?
You can do this. Have confidence in yourself.
Have confidence in yourself.
Have confidence in yourself.
You are not safe, unless you are covid app safe
It's garbage spyware that ASIO (or some other alphabet agency) is tracking you with, delete that trash off your phone
Oops sorry guys, it was an accident tee hee.
it's actually amazon first, then the government
They didn't access the data. And plus, why wouldn't they do so for criminals?
A global business not accessing data at it's disposal? We hear differently every day. You don't know what data they access via the deal with the government - there will be a deal for sign in data at the least. And why would a global business suddenly decide to do things differently? They wouldn't. Data is power and profit.
Did you forget that the Australian Government is not a business? I am fully aware about data security and monetisation.
Should u wipe? Do you really need someone to tell you?
I deleted the app, because it would stop running in background every 4 hours, drained my battery by keeping location services on and interfered with my car hands-free.
I wouldn't do it for space saving reason.
Not advice.
The same happened to me. Kept interfering with my Bluetooth in the car stopping and starting etc…
You need to sit beside someone else with their phone on them within a meter or so, for 15 minutes to actually get a result. What if their phone is more than a meter away like in a handbag and your phone is in your pocket?
What happens if you leave that space for 15 seconds, does that 15 minutes start again? Waste of space on your phone.
Small bladder, have to urinate every 14mins. Shit!
It doesn't work anyway unless you have a 5G phone and the vaccination.
I thought it was the 5g that gave you covid to start with?
the vaccination gives you 5G so you can bluetooth your brain to your phone and they can track your free thinking with the covid safe app
Hmmmm. On the one hand, Bluetooth to my brain sounds cool, but tracking my free thinking seems bad. It seems I have a lot to think about.
No, you should buy a brand new phone.
Also of note that Apple and Google have snuck covid 'something' onto their phones, you can remove the android one by getting rid play store updates and stopping the auto -update. Instructions are on the web. Not sure about Apple though.
Apple exposure notifications are off by default.
What's the point? That API was meant to help governments with tracking. Our government has not used that API and instead developed COVIDSafe, which drains your battery and sucks.
Ok cheers, I wasn't up with the particulars. :)
Waste of space.
In Victoria, the contact tracing app is yet to identify any close contacts of people diagnosed with COVID-19 that were not also identified via the traditional and painstaking manual contact tracing process.
Data from the app has been accessed in around 30 coronavirus cases nationwide, during a period when around 565 new cases were diagnosed in Australia, including infections acquired overseas.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-c…
When you say 'cases were diagnosed' do you really mean 'tested positive via the PCR test' or were the people really sick?
Amazing how many people are against attempted methods of trying to manage COVID.
Yeah, the bloody covid is out of control here, and the app was so effective.
So the app didn't work as well as they hoped? So what. At least they actually made an attempt! Everyone would be having a big ol' sook if the government made no attempt.
Some of us are out there working really hard to try to do what we can to help manage the situation.
It was blatantly obvious that not enough people trust the government to:
A) make an app that is actually secure
B) make an app that doesn't track you and log it
Therefore it was always destined to fail, and simply be a(nother) waste of taxpayers money.
@brendanm: I see the lack of trust as fortunate, given that the two concerns are unfortunately quite likely.
Why didn’t they use the Apple-Google offering?
Making their own shitty app is an attempt at ripping privacy out of your hands, not an attempt to control covid.
I’m not sure how you can defend them when the solution was already there and free but they decided to roll their own because tee hee.
@ausmechkeyboards: It's simple. Either you agree that we should attempt to do more to contact trace or you disagree and say that we should do less. That's all I see.
@Clear: Nice way to try to whittle this down into a false dilemma.
All I see is a government that had the option of choosing contact tracing or government surveillance and instead chose to put everyone’s lives at risk for government surveillance.
@ausmechkeyboards: Oh so what happens when someone tests positive? Who does the contact tracing? The local Rotary club? Nope the government. Owait no they're just spying on us all aren't they? Because that's "all you see".
@ausmechkeyboards: I thought the Apple and Google solutions came after the covid safe app was released?
@kiitos: Yep COVIDSafe did indeed come first.
These deniers are more concerned with spying and don't see it that way though.
@ausmechkeyboards: You're right, the other contact tracing system that BOTH Google and Apple worked together on, to be compatible between both Android and iOS, is far more effective and being used in other countries.
We don't seem to need it anymore either way.
The PM -
“CovidSafe is like sunscreen for Coronavirus”.
If the health community had promoted it as a tool to assist managing a pandemic, rather than the PM pushing it with snake-oil claims, perhaps we wouldn’t have been so sceptical. Turns out that scepticism was entirely warranted
Some of us are out there working really hard to try to do what we can to help manage the situation.
Get over yourself bro. You're not a hero.
You're being dense on purpose.
I agree the app had many issues, but knowing many friends from other countries (e.g. Korea and Taiwan, as well as some over the pond in NZ - all democratic countries with a free spirit, mind you), it's absolutely undeniable that many people here were against attempted methods of trying to manage COVID (which was what Clear said - nothing about the app).
It's a combination of things, including laziness, non-compliance for non-compliance sake (i.e. I'm a snowflake and I'm just gonna be contrarian) and in many senses, it took a huge outbreak in VIC, including the possibility of things getting really bad (i.e. Europe/US style) for people to get their ducks in a row and hunker down.
As someone who works in healthcare, do you know what has really scared me about this pandemic? All the anti-vaxxer GPs have come out of the woodwork. The shit pouring out of their mouths to patients should be enough for them to lose their license.
@Clear: In other words trained, licenced and experienced doctors are making claims that go against what the government and the media propaganda are telling you…so hang the doctors and praise the politicians? Good God no wonder the world is in a mess right now.
@Clear: Do you believe in Jesus?
I ran into a GP I know the other day, he's not anti-vax but even said the whole thing was giant scam.
And what do you mean by 'do I believe in covid'? Do I believe that sars-cov-2 has been isolated as a pure virus from a human sample? I'm not sure, the science doesn't seem to support that conclusion. Do I believe that this alleged sars-cov-2 virus causes a condition called 'covid-19'? I can;t find any convincing science on that yet either. Do I see people dropping like flies all around me like one would expect in a PANDEMIC? Not a single one, it's all going on in TV land so far. Although I am waiting to see that's going to happen in England now that they've started jabbing people with the vaccine and then you might see a real pandemic.
@EightImmortals: Correct me if I'm wrong but you're coming off as being anti-vax. Statistically however COVID-19 has resulted in a massive decrease in confirmed influenza cases.
@Clear: Actually I'm anti BS but regardless of my position on vaccination safety this thread is about the covid tracing app and other things related to covid 19. If you want to discuss the safety (or not) of the experimental covid 10 vaccinations then ask about that. But ask me a specific question and not something vague.
@Clear: You're not a very good trollbot are you. :)
I'm against dangerous vaccinations but not a-priori against the concept.
"Do you think the flu shot is effective?"
At stopping the flu?
What does the science say?
The CDC reports that for the 2019 season (through February) the flu shots effectiveness is around 47%
(Doyle JD, Chung JR, Kim SS et al. Interim estimates of 2018–19 seasonal influenza vaccine effectiveness—United States, February 2019. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2019;68(6):135-9. )
But when other strains of flu virus popped up the vaccine was almost worthless. (Wappes J. Poor late-season protection limited flu vaccine impact for 2018-19. CIDRAP, Jul. 2, 2019. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/07/poor-late….)
In fact, the estimated 9 percent effectiveness for that strain dragged the overall effectiveness rate for the season down to 29 percent.
A Cochrane Collaboration report from 2012:
https://ahrp.org/cochrane-collaboration-flu-vaccines-of-no-b…Or for more up to date information:
For older people: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD…
Older adults receiving the influenza vaccine may have a lower risk of influenza (from 6% to 2.4%), and probably have a lower risk of ILI compared with those who do not receive a vaccination over the course of a single influenza season (from 6% to 3.5%). We are uncertain how big a difference these vaccines will make across different seasons. Very few deaths occurred, and no data on hospitalisation were reported. No cases of pneumonia occurred in one study that reported this outcome. We do not have enough information to assess harms relating to fever and nausea in this population.
The evidence for a lower risk of influenza and ILI with vaccination is limited by biases in the design or conduct of the studies. Lack of detail regarding the methods used to confirm the diagnosis of influenza limits the applicability of this result. The available evidence relating to complications is of poor quality, insufficient, or old and provides no clear guidance for public health regarding the safety, efficacy, or effectiveness of influenza vaccines for people aged 65 years or older. Society should invest in research on a new generation of influenza vaccines for the elderly.
For younger people they concluded:https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004879.pub5/full?cookiesEnabled
A slight improvment compared to older folks We found 41 randomised studies. Most studies included children older than two years of age and were conducted in the USA, Western Europe, Russia, and Bangladesh.
Compared with placebo or do nothing, live attenuated vaccines probably reduced the proportion of children who had confirmed influenza from 18% to 4% (moderate‐certainty evidence), and may reduce ILI from 17% to 12% (low‐certainty evidence). Seven children would need to be vaccinated for one child to avoid influenza, and 20 children would need to prevent one child from experiencing an ILI.
And for health care workers working with older folks. https://www.cochrane.org/CD005187/ARI_influenza-vaccination-…
Our review findings have not identified conclusive evidence of benefit of HCW vaccination programmes on specific outcomes of laboratory-proven influenza, its complications (lower respiratory tract infection, hospitalisation or death due to lower respiratory tract illness), or all cause mortality in people over the age of 60 who live in care institutions. This review did not find information on co-interventions with healthcare worker vaccination: hand-washing, face masks, early detection of laboratory-proven influenza, quarantine, avoiding admissions, antivirals and asking healthcare workers with influenza or influenza-like illness (ILI) not to work. This review does not provide reasonable evidence to support the vaccination of healthcare workers to prevent influenza in those aged 60 years or older resident in LTCIs. High quality RCTs are required to avoid the risks of bias in methodology and conduct identified by this review and to test further these interventions in combination.
So going by the science it doesn't seem to be worth the risk to me. You are free to make your own choices though.
@EightImmortals: Seriously no trolling this time. I'm legitimately interested as you have well researched answers and I respect that.
I've only started getting flu shots in the last 3 years as I work in a high risk area and it's strongly encourage (but not required). Admittedly I came down with a very severe strain of flu earlier in the year despite having both flu shots and it obviously didn't work.
@Clear: Fair enough, I was reading a Hong Kong study (which I lost now) but they concluded the risk of ILI's (influenza-like illness) and other respiratory issues were up to 450% in those who have a regular flu shot and that subsequent yearly shots increased the persons susceptibility. FWIW we've never had a flu shot and have only had the flu once about 18 years ago when our son who was young at the time picked up something feral at kindy.
@EightImmortals: That's an alarming figure if true about influenza-like illnesses. Fair to say it had all the symptoms of COVID and the flu but in reality it was neither. The only thing they could find was my blood count was off the chart like you would get with EBV, but it wasn't that either.
@Clear: I've heard of similar things so it's not just you. If in doubt then avoid all vaccines if you can (IMO) and see how you go next year. Keep your immune system healthy and it should be able to handle most of what comes your way.
. Admittedly I came down with a very severe strain of flu earlier in the year despite having both flu shots and it obviously didn't work.
Lol, same thing with my dad many years ago. He hasn't had a flu shot since and hasn't had any severe flu since.
At least is appears you can somewhat see why others aren't rushing to get the covid vaccine.
Just found this https://learntherisk.org/vaccines/diseases/
Could be nonsense, but makes me more skeptical 😀
@ozhunter: The founder of Learn The Risk was suicided earlier this week. She was an exec at Merk who quit after the Vioxxx scandal that killed 50, 000 people and became an actvist. Can post vids of overt intimidation if you like. Just one of many unfortunately.
https://bgdsearches.com/2020/12/09/learn-the-risk-founder-br…
You're being dense on purpose
I'm always purposeful. Nothing worse than being dense by accident.
I hope they get that vaccine out soon, we really need to get those covid numbers down from 0.
@Clear: Solution to what? The lack of covid in Australia? The inefficiency of government? The fact that this app did absolutely nothing that hadn't already been done by people doing contact tracing?
Since its launch on April 26, more than 6.2 million people have downloaded the app. But so far, no local health authorities have announced that COVIDSafe identified any otherwise unidentified contacts.
So the alternative was people doing the contact tracing. Seems to have worked ok. Not much contact to trace at the moment though is there. Hopefully those hotel security guards keep it in their pants.
@Clear: Exactly. Just another reason the app was stupid, it was already being done. Good to see you've come around.
@Clear: If sure seems like attempting more does a whole lot of diddly squat, apart from waste money, and give ASIO "incidental" information.
@Clear: No, its "a complete waste of time and money" more than anything else. I want even aware of the ASIO thing until it was mentioned a few posts up. It was never going to work, blind Freddy could see it was never going to work, yet our glorious government, in their infinite wisdom, did it anyway.
@ozhunter: That would be easiest. It's for the safety of everyone, how can you say no? You aren't a selfish scumbag are you?
An alternative to the app.
Why need an alternative to the app when the app wasn't necessary in the first place?
The Government eventually realised that after wasting a few million dollars of taxpayers money and promptly stopped pushing it.
@Clear: By your logic, we should just make infinite contact tracing apps, and employ infinite people for contact tracing, as the relationship between number of contact tracers and the amount of contacts traced is linear.
The app did nothing that wasn't already being done. It added no value at all, it is completely useless.
@brendanm: No. By my logic it was good the government made an attempt, because people would be sooking a lot louder if they didn't. It was disappointing it didn't work as intended.
@Clear: I don't think I've seen or heard one single.pwraon.who said that they wish they had a contact tracing app.
Why would people possibly be sooking anyway, there are zero cases, apart from the ones we are importing.
@Clear: No, but there weren't many. It also did absolutely nothing to reduce the number is cases, so my point still stands: it was useless and a waste of money.
@Clear: Of course it is. By doing contact tracing they are meant to be having people tested who may have been in contact with a confirmed case, so they can isolate and not spread it further. Or do you think they were just doing it because it's fun to see where people have been? Gosh its extremely scary that the "The plans of mass vaccination clinics in cities have already come across my desk ;)", and you don't even understand how contact tracing is meant to reduce the number of cases.
@Clear: Hahaha. So you don't understand how contact tracing works, and now suggest that I've proven your point, when the opposite has happened, because the covidsafe app has done no effective contact tracing at all, therefore has not reduced numbers, and is therefore a waste of money.
@brendanm: At this point I really don't know what I'm talking about anymore. Isn't that clear? I stopped reading hours ago.
@Clear: I'm well aware you don't know what you're talking about. I honestly can't believe that you suggested contact tracing doesn't reduce numbers, it's actually mind boggling. The government obviously only hires the best and brightest.
Well there's your issue. It's not designed to reduce the number of cases.
Direct quote from you.
@brendanm: No mention of contact tracing. Some well informed OzBargainers said it's an ASIO spying app you see.
@Clear: You replied to comment;
It also did absolutely nothing to reduce
the number is cases,Where "It" is the covidsafe app, who's only purpose was contact tracing.
I hope they get that vaccine out soon, we really need to get those covid numbers down from 0.
Yes, because there are places around the world with hundreds of thousands of new cases and thousands of deaths per day that really need a vaccine.
Not just about case numbers. Vaccine is almost required to be able to open up again with the rest of the world, otherwise it'd be impossible to have any travel to regions which are heavily infected without risking a large outbreak here.
thousands of deaths per day that really need a vaccine.
They are welcome to it then. Ivermectin has proven in studies to be effective already, why not use that? I know that the Pfizer executives may not be able to buy another house in the Hamptons if people don't go nuts for their vaccine, but sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
Ivermectin has proven in studies to be effective already, why not use that?
There are many clinical trials looking at Ivermectin. Either way, drugs are not the same thing as prevention.
I know that the Pfizer executives may not be able to buy another house in the Hamptons if people don't go nuts for their vaccine, but sometimes sacrifices have to be made
This is silly - we live in a capitalist economy where the fact that Pfizer executives can buy another house in the Hamptons (or whatever nonsense) is exactly what drives the effort to produce what people want. It's no different to how Tim Cook benefits when people go crazy over the new iPhone or Jensen Huang benefits when people go crazy over the new 3080.
Just because someone else benefits from a sale doesn't necessarily make that product good/bad by nature, otherwise by that nature, everything is bad. Is bread from the local bakery bad because the baker benefits every time you buy a loaf?
I'm not running a defence apparatus for the pharmaceutical industry. There have been plenty of examples of ethically questionable behaviour, but to say that "sometimes sacrifices have to be made" because someone stands to gain from making a high demand product is a stupid argument and you know it.
@p1 ama: People have a choice as to whether they buy a new iPhone.
I understand how capitalism works. You just used the same argument I use when socialists in here get all upset that order pickers don't get $100k. However in the case of this vaccine, it is rushed, and is going to be basically forced on people. Of course they want to be the first to get over the line, who cares if there are consequences, deal with them later. It's basically a licence to print money.
I'd be more convince they are trying to manage it, if they made medicine thats much more accessible in other countries to us, such as hydrochloroquine and ivermectin.
They're securing stock for vaccinations which have been proven to be more effective than medicine like hydroxychloroquine that's been proven to be ineffective. The plans of mass vaccination clinics in cities have already come across my desk ;)
Ah, that's why you restrict it during a pandemic of all times.
hydrochloroquine and ivermectin.
Don't be silly, those are too cheap.
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