[PS4] Free - Black Lives Matter Theme @ PlayStation Store

dorian_gray on 20/10/2020 - 18:33
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Give your PlayStation®4 system’s home screen a personal touch with this special theme in show of support for the Black Lives Matter Movement.

Themes can be downloaded to give your on-screen display a completely new look, changing the background, icons and colours to match your favourite game or style.

After downloading, you can select the theme you want to use via the Themes option on the PS4™ system’s Settings menu.

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      • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 21:27
        +1

        Wasn't the whole K Rudd Sorry was suppose to end it all, and provide the nation with a fresh start? At least that's what the activists said at the time.

        I think rather than calling out problems, look for solution to fix it without introduce more injustice

    • tmcn85 on 20/10/2020 - 21:41
      +4

      BLM is a hate group. Deluded supporters have the false idea that black people are discriminated against and the cure is segregation and marxism.

  • HKS on 20/10/2020 - 19:55
    +8

    wheres white lives matter then or is sony racist?

  • aneil915 on 20/10/2020 - 19:56
    +7

    No thanks.

  • meowbert on 20/10/2020 - 19:56
    +14

    Not a bargain because it's always free, also we are not American so get your American politics out of here

  • AlanHB on 20/10/2020 - 19:56
    +2

    Any chance we can just agree or disagree whether it's a bargain? I mean, I don't remember people giving negs on other products on the basis they'd personally not use them.

    I'd personally opt not to vote because I don't see the value of PS themes, but it's free so you ain't losing cash. Could be a bargain to whoever wants a new theme.

  • gromit on 20/10/2020 - 19:57
    +7

    not a deal or bargain.

  • Blue Cat on 20/10/2020 - 19:58
    +14

    The post that divided all of OzBargain, what a show folks!

    I universally hate virtue signalling attempts from companies equally and free is this theme's regular price so this is not a bargain.

  • ChickenFeed on 20/10/2020 - 19:59
    +12

    So sad, some of the comments on display in this thread is disgusting. Please do be respectful.

  • mr_asstight on 20/10/2020 - 20:00
    +13

    BLM and Antifa are communists. We do not want our democracy to be undermined here.

    • TEER3X on 20/10/2020 - 20:14
      -1

      Well said comrade!

    • [Deactivated] on 20/10/2020 - 20:21
      +5

      Agreed

    • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 21:43

      we can always blame Snowball for any and all failings

  • Autonomic on 20/10/2020 - 20:02
    +24

    Comments on posts like this make me genuinely sad about ozbargain. The racism & ignorance on display here is disgusting.

    There are commenters posting "1488" (google it) and linking to Stonetoss (an outright white supremacist).

    • Ezekiel2320 on 20/10/2020 - 20:08
      +9

      Made plenty of reports and messages to the moderators who have refused to act on it, therefore they condone Nazi hate speech on Ozbargain.

      • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 20:16
        +7

        Yeah the mods here are massive cucks.

        • Ezekiel2320 on 20/10/2020 - 20:18
          +4

          I bet Synergy Wholesale would be interested to know they are hosting hate speech on their service

          Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
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          • brendanm on 21/10/2020 - 14:42
            +2

            @Ezekiel2320: There isn't any hate speech that is any being deleted. Having an opinion that you don't agree with, doesn't make it hate speech.

      • Autonomic on 20/10/2020 - 20:45
        +2

        I sympathise with the moderators because it can take a lot of resources to moderate a site like this. Personally I think they should just moderate with a heavy hand. Edgy comments add nothing to a discussion about bargains and it would save them a lot of hassle. A few months in the penalty box may give them some time to consider what they type.

        • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 21:45
          +4

          tyrannical much? Hate to have you as a mod.

    • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 21:44

      aren't you just drawing more attention to this?

      do not understand trolling?

      • Autonomic on 21/10/2020 - 09:13

        It's not trolling. That's just a convenient lie people tell themselves.

        • yannyrjl on 21/10/2020 - 17:38

          mind reader here !!

          • Autonomic on 22/10/2020 - 11:44

            @yannyrjl: And yet you claiming they're just trolling is not mind reading?

            • yannyrjl on 22/10/2020 - 13:04

              @Autonomic: benefit of doubt and adding the additional option of trolling into the poster's consideration when they accuse other of racism which I believe is a huge claim and should not be used in such trifle manner.

              I've seen others respond to thing they posted that state they did not know / realise after being accused of being racist immediately

              • Autonomic on 22/10/2020 - 20:52

                @yannyrjl: When people literally saying racist things then they're being racist. It's very, very simple.

            • yannyrjl on 22/10/2020 - 13:06

              @Autonomic: when used often and trivially, the word loses it's significance

              • Autonomic on 26/10/2020 - 09:56

                @yannyrjl: A claim only used ever said by those who wish to downplay racism. It's just a silly non-sequitur that never has anything to do with the discussion.

                • yannyrjl on 26/10/2020 - 12:08

                  @Autonomic: I would have to disagree with your notion there, are you suggestion that my intent was to downplay racism? I find it without basis and rational thought

                  I would counter by pointing out absolution motherhood statement you have made without basis especially in my individual case, suggest intellectual laziness or attempt to argue without integrity

                • yannyrjl on 26/10/2020 - 12:11

                  @Autonomic: just so I know where you stand, do you honestly believe like some have claimed that people who voted negative are all white and do not know racism?

  • yadq on 20/10/2020 - 20:04
    +6

    I would love to just put the "always has been" meme here.

    This theme has always been free - therefore it belongs to forums tops, comrade.

    Peace.

  • AzuAzu on 20/10/2020 - 20:05
    +15

    This isn't a deal, it's virtue-signalling.

  • dufflover on 20/10/2020 - 20:05
    +3

    I wonder if all black video game characters endorsed by their system are voiced by black people

  • Aerith-Waifu on 20/10/2020 - 20:05
    +8

    Since when a peaceful protest ever becomes peaceful?

  • Mahalo on 20/10/2020 - 20:05
    +13

    Real Bargains Matter 🤑

  • DarKBlooD on 20/10/2020 - 20:07
    +9

    If i install this will all my local businesses be burnt down?

    • BarUp on 20/10/2020 - 20:41
      +7

      Yes but it will be mostly peaceful arson

    • [Deactivated] on 20/10/2020 - 21:09
      +5

      No. If you don't install it it'll be burnt down as you'll be labelled a nazi, mostly by white people who just want to fit in.

      Just make sure you install it when the hordes arrive. Might prevent your PS from getting stolen/burned down.

  • 4agte on 20/10/2020 - 20:08
    +10

    PS4 store is full of free themes available. None of them are bargains

    • Gehirn on 20/10/2020 - 20:24
      +3

      Then why is there so many free theme bargains posted here?

  • spiff on 20/10/2020 - 20:09
    +20

    Cringy virtue signalling, nah

    • [Deactivated] on 20/10/2020 - 20:33
      +7

      Exactly this

  • ozbargained on 20/10/2020 - 20:12
    +5

    Just no

  • 4agte on 20/10/2020 - 20:12
    +5

    Changed my windows 10 wallpaper. Bargain!

  • Sammy Boi on 20/10/2020 - 20:12
    +12

    For the record all lives matter

    • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 20:19
      +17

      Black Lives Matter doesn't mean other lives don't matter mate. I encourage you to actually read about what the purpose of BLM is as an organisation and movement instead of shitty right-wing propaganda on Facebook. It aims to address systematic racism against black people and other minority groups, as well as police brutality, which is something experienced by literally everyone, but something black people have had to face disproportionately.

      • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:07
        +1

        what are these systematic racism against black people?

        I find BLM not very inclusive as it doesn't include Brown People

      • Sammy Boi on 20/10/2020 - 22:32

        Assumptions assumptions

    • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 20:28
      +5

      Like, do you genuinely think that I, or any BLM organiser thinks it's good when white people get merked by cops and bad when black people do? Police brutality is an issue that affects everyone, but particularly minorities. It's a problem here too in Australia. Don't forget how police illegally strip searched teenagers, have been caught repeatedly beating mentally ill people for no reason, and harassing minorities along with literally high-fiving white supremacists.

      • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 20:49
        +4

        Shouldn't we then focus on the police brutality and not who is being affected by it? A message like stop police brutality, would make more people support it, no?

        • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 20:56
          +4

          As I pointed out, black people in particular are victims of this, and it's largely due to the colour of their skin. To illustrate this, I can point to the many examples of black NBA players, who are super-wealthy, who have experiences of being harassed by police. You have to recognise that black people in particular, due to their race, have been oppressed and (profanity) over. In the US, they were brought over as slaves against their will, worked for nothing for centuries preventing them from accumulating any wealth, then had to deal with issues such as Jim Crow, redlining and social discrimination. Black people's predicament is unique, hence why BLM is a unique organisation. It would be akin to saying, "Why don't leukemia foundations and research centres not focus on testicular cancer, don't they care about testicular cancer, do they hate people who have testicular cancer and want them to die?"

          • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 21:05
            +2

            @WinstonWithAY: That's all true, but how saying black lives matter helps to solve any of these problems? It diverts from the real problems because it is very ambiguous and it hides too many problems under one name.

            • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:10
              +5

              @Mistredo: It's just a slogan mate. Slogan's are meant to be catchy and easy to remember. BLM protestors don't go out chanting the Communist manifesto or MLK's speeches. That's all it is. Black people have a very unique situation and so extra attention needs to be placed on their unique problems. That being said, this doesn't mean that BLM doesn't stand up for issues that are outside their scope. You can't just have a blanket approach when dealing with systemic racism and the legacy of centuries of it when one community in particular is disproportionately affected by it. It just doesn't work that way. The phrase "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean "Non-black lives don't matter." It's not really ambiguous, I just think people have been pumped full of braindead, horseshit right wing propaganda that makes them deny reality and fall for insane conspiracy theories.

              • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 21:21
                +2

                @WinstonWithAY: Honestly, they couldn't pick a worse slogan if they want to solve their problems. This slogan makes a lot of people upset, and hence a lot of people saying all lives matter. Yes, you can argue black lives matter does not mean others do not matter, but you know, people are stupid, and they will interpret in their own way.

                Instead of finding a motto that would unite low and middle class against the capitalist class. They just made the gap between races even larger and people at the top are laughing.

                • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:26
                  +1

                  @Mistredo: Actually, you'll find that BLM doesn't actually make a lot of people upset. You'll see here that the BLM protests, although they lost support slightly, still enjoy support from the majority of the US populace. (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/16/support-for…)

                  I'm glad you recognise the issue of capitalism, which is a good step forward. But we can't reduce all issues to class. Racial issues and racism still exist and need to be solved, and capitalism needs to be abolished. Both can be worked towards simultaneously.

                  • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 21:34
                    +3

                    @WinstonWithAY: If it didn't make people upset you wouldn't see such heated discussion here. :-) As you are probably well aware, the US society is pretty divided, and slogans like this do not help it.

                    The research does not go much into detail about age and location. If you conduct it in California between young people, you will get different results than you would get with older people in more conservative states.

                    • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:39
                      +3

                      @Mistredo: Which is why its a poll of the entire nation. I don't get your point. A bunch of racist Australians not liking something that doesn't affect them doesn't change the fact that it enjoys support from the majority of Americans. This type of divisive concern-trolling reminds me of all the people calling the pro-gay marriage types in 2017 divisive and intolerant, and then getting blown the (profanity) out in a landslide referendum.
                      It's like MLK famously said:

                      "First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

                      • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 21:49
                        +1

                        @WinstonWithAY: You should check the poll details https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/BLM-t… you will notice a number of people who strongly oppose the movement almost doubled, so it is not just the support went down, but a number of people who strongly oppose it went rapidly up, so as you can see the majority of the white population opposes it, so this is not just a bunch of racist people, but half of the white population. That's what I mean when I am saying the gap between races is growing instead of shrinking, and it would be more beneficial to unite people to a common cause that does not involve races.

                        • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:13

                          @Mistredo: to be frank, you are right and race shouldn't be an issue in 2020

                          Most people have grown up in mixed communities.

                          John Oliver actually did a segment around school segregation which actually puts an interesting perspective. Not a fan but when sourcing I like finding sources from the other side which is usually better received.
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yiYCHMAlM

                        • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 22:13
                          -1

                          @Mistredo: You just keep saying they need a better message without suggesting anything. You're just concern-trolling and don't give a shit about dealing with systemic racism.
                          "so this is not just a bunch of racist people, but half of the white population." Guess when half the population supported slavery they weren't racist either, or segregation etc. Dumb point.
                          All you've said is that we need to solve racism by ignoring it.

                          • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 22:21

                            @WinstonWithAY: I don't think we can solve racism by talking about racism or labelling problems after races.

                            My first comment proposed to focus on police brutality, reform police, provide better training to police, reform gun laws, so police are not afraid they can be easily killed.

                            Get rid of the private health system and provide medicare to every citizen. Reform education system so high education is to available to everyone for free like in Europe and so on. These are the solutions we need and not slogans about races.

                  • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:08

                    @WinstonWithAY: picks a stat point in Sep, try picking one more recently

                    • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 22:12

                      @yannyrjl: We're in the month of October now champ. I gave a stat point from September. You're just being obnoxious at this point. Go find a more recent data point then since I've already provided ample evidence.

          • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:29
            +1

            @WinstonWithAY: I don't think anecdotals are what people need. Also what does it mean harassed by police? I mean a lot of rapper do carry unregistered guns with them, is their so called "harassment" justified?

            So you must be a republican party supporter given majority of these were at the hands of the democrates (Slavery, Jim Crow, Redlining)?

  • Gehirn on 20/10/2020 - 20:12
    +10

    I hope I never have to run into any of you conspiracy nuts when there is a good instore deal somewhere.

    BTW nobody has complained about free PS4 themes this hard before, even on the LGBT one.

  • Loki556 on 20/10/2020 - 20:13
    +9

    Propaganda is not a bargain

  • cynicalmike on 20/10/2020 - 20:13
    +2

    I thought I'd just come in here and inflame the situation by name dropping, so here it is:

    OJ Simpson
    (not to be confused with orange juice, or Homer Simpson)

    • nostalgiaultra on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
      +1

      Didn't Bruno name his baby after him

      • cynicalmike on 20/10/2020 - 20:43
        +1

        yes

        GIVE ME BACK MY BABY! OJ!!!!

  • Pippenn2K on 20/10/2020 - 20:13

    Thankyou, I enjoyed the read

  • cyphill123 on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
    +25

    I never knew Ozbargain was so racist. This has been a good wakeup call.

    • dorian_gray on 20/10/2020 - 20:21
      +7

      I wonder if it is a reflection of the wider Australian community.

    • Ezekiel2320 on 20/10/2020 - 20:24
      -1

      Ask Synergy Wholesale (the host of this website) if they support hate speech on their platform:

      Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
      Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +61.383999483

      • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 21:02
        +2

        I'm curious where the hate speech is? I've seen comments claiming this deal is Marxist propaganda and others claiming all lives matter and so forth, but nothing that can be deemed hate speech. Some muppet posted something that was 1488 or whatever it is (had to look it up myself) but looks like they were quickly downvoted. Perhaps that's where a mod could get involved and remove that particular comment?

        I don't think it helps anyone to be contacting the host of this site when there is no direct evidence.

        • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:11
          +3

          "Quickly downvoted" No it wasn't. And as far as I can see, that account is still active and hasn't been banned. You think open Nazis should be allowed on this platform, seriously?

          • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 21:45
            +4

            @WinstonWithAY: WinstonWithAY I feel like you are trying to pick a fight with anyone who tries to exchange ideas with you? Please point out where I indicate "nazis should be allowed on this platform" and then act all indignant. Re-read what I wrote. I said "perhaps a mod could get involved and remove that particular comment" because genuine hate speech is never OK. However, the people suggesting BLM is a Marxist organisation are perfectly entitled to say that (and indeed its true the founders are on record claiming to be trained Marxists so we are still dealing with the facts here). Others are also entitled to suggest this is not a deal or even share statistics on black deaths and so forth. This is what usually occurs in a free, open debate, the exchanging of ideas. Calling people racists is a ploy to shut down the conversation.

            • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:48
              +1

              @PDeez: What is a trained Marxist? I see a lot of people saying this and not providing a definition nor any evidence. Marxism is an ideology, it's not an occupation or a skill you can be "trained" in. Also, there is nothing wrong with Marxism or people being Marxists.

              • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 21:54
                +2

                @WinstonWithAY: You would need to ask the founders of BLM. There are links to videos of them discussing it, I'm not posting it here as I really don't want to get into a debate with you over it given your aggressive comments to other posters.

                In my opinion, and clearly yours differs and that's fine, I believe Marxism to be misguided and certainly not in the majority of people's best interest.

                • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 22:15

                  @PDeez: You keep saying it without providing a definition. If you can't define a term you keep using as a pejorative to undermine a social movement that is supported by the majority of the US population, you have nothing valuable to add. Or are you seriously suggesting that over 50% of the US population are Marxists.

                  • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 22:33
                    +2

                    @WinstonWithAY: It's not up to me to provide a definition. Like I said, ask the BLM founders what a 'trained Marxist' is. I guess that would lead to the question trained by whom and for what purpose?

                    Here is the direct quote from Patrisse Cullors, co founder of BLM. I've tried to find an impartial source with nothing else apart from her quote, I can't vouch for any of the other videos of the poster as I haven't gone through the history:

                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1noLh25FbKI

                    Again I'm not suggesting anything, just dealing with facts. You seem adept at steering the narrative by inserting assumptions such as "are you suggesting that over 50% of the US population are Marxists". You know I'm not and once again I've not said or implied such a thing. Your message would be a lot more powerful without the hyperbole and mistruths.

            • petry on 20/10/2020 - 22:56

              @PDeez: The mods on this site have tolerated hate speech for a long long time.

              The purpose of this thread was to divide and give the far right free rein to put forward their hatred en masse which is how bullying always works.

              There are many blm groups in many countries with different leaderships and aims, and they are far less organised than the fascist groups who are heavily funded currently as can be seen here.

              • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 23:07
                +2

                @petry: I'm still failing to see the 'hate speech' apart from the comment I addressed above. I see differing opinions and debate which is what you'd like to see in a free and open society but have yet to see any actual hate speech. I will absolutely admit I'm wrong if someone can point out where the hate speech is.

                It's unfortunate I need to put out a disclaimer here that I have no political affiliations or leanings, I just think common sense is needed.

                It's important we are able to discuss things from differing viewpoints and opinions without shutting each other down by name calling and labelling

                • petry on 20/10/2020 - 23:11

                  @PDeez: well your interpretation of whats going on here is clearly at odds with what has been espoused. And your assertions lack credibility because there is no single blm group or movement which you know.

          • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:14
            +1

            @WinstonWithAY: so tolerant

    • Gehirn on 20/10/2020 - 20:26

      Visit other deals like this and the forums, and you'll be surprised.

    • wizzlesticks on 20/10/2020 - 20:40
      +18

      It's not racist if you simply disagree with the BLM ideology. There are plenty of people of colour trying to break free from this stigma, and who argue this is taking them backwards and indoctrinating them to believe they are victims. There are some vocal black activists who also claim it's mainly affluent whites who support and protest for BLM, using it as a tool to make them feel better about themselves, while hiding their underlying racist feelings.

      TLDR: Don't be judgmental and label people racists for disagreeing with you.

    • Snakey Chook on 20/10/2020 - 21:12
      +1

      Let's all call each other commies and racists, that always helps.

      • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 22:16
        +1

        I've seen people being called Nazi here, we attacked the BLM idea with strong ties to communism as can be seen in the damn logo

    • Scythic on 20/10/2020 - 22:04

      To this moment, if you still think BLM is about racism, you're clearly misinformed and being censored by media

  • Chicken Kyiv on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
    +8

    No thanks

  • [Deactivated] on 20/10/2020 - 20:20
    +7

    Good on them. But please… don't try to tell me what to think or influence me into supporting your movement.

  • belongsinforums on 20/10/2020 - 20:21
    +1

    Ozbargain AKA 'Anything's a deal'

  • Toffees on 20/10/2020 - 20:21
    +17

    It's a free wallpaper. That's it. Didn't realise there were so many racists on ozbargain

    • spiff on 20/10/2020 - 20:54
      +7

      Ever consider that those that disagree with BLM are not actually racist and you're buying into an ideology that promotes victimising yourself, promotes social division by being hyper sensitive to any injustice no matter how small, conflates the (very real) issue of police brutality into a menacing system of racism when there is no evidence of this?

      • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 21:02
        +9

        No evidence of racism? So slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, redlining, social discrimination never happened? Black people being oppressed for hundreds of years brutally and you seriously don't think the effects of that still exist today?

        • spiff on 20/10/2020 - 23:05

          Those atrocities you mentioned did happen but how do they form part of the "system" today that is claimed to be racist? The systemic racism was outlawed in the 60s. And how is this linked in any way to police brutality, which I also concur is a real issue? At what point do you stop blaming things on the past and take some personal responsibility to take advantage of the most free and (classically) liberal system in the world and make a better life for yourself, in spite of the abhorrent injustices of the past? BLM is divisive by fear mongering and preaching that racism exists in every facet of society and therefore society needs to be broken down and rebuilt. It makes its constituents hyper sensitive to any innocuous comment or action when it probably wasn't even intended that way. Its solutions to fix the system rely on identity politics where equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity is prevalent, where the colour of your skin matters more than behaviour, competence and personal accountability. This isn't a society I want to live in and I don't think any of the above makes me racist.

          • Autonomic on 20/10/2020 - 23:46
            +1

            @spiff: What impact do you think those hundreds of years had on the outcomes of black peoples lives today? Slavery, Jim crow and segregation literally shaped in every way the socioeconomic status of blacks today.

            BTW systemic racism obviously still exists today. You're less likely to get hired, receive poorer education in school, more likely to get declined a loan, more likely to be denied a house in a rich suburb, given poorer healthcare and so on. Please do a modicum of research.

            • spiff on 20/10/2020 - 23:56

              @Autonomic: Every metric you mentioned suggests you support equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity in which case we aren't even going to be debating from the same premise.

              • Autonomic on 21/10/2020 - 09:11
                +1

                @spiff: There is no equality of opportunity. That's my point.

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