[PS4] Free - Black Lives Matter Theme @ PlayStation Store

dorian_gray on 20/10/2020 - 18:33
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Give your PlayStation®4 system’s home screen a personal touch with this special theme in show of support for the Black Lives Matter Movement.

Themes can be downloaded to give your on-screen display a completely new look, changing the background, icons and colours to match your favourite game or style.

After downloading, you can select the theme you want to use via the Themes option on the PS4™ system’s Settings menu.

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  • KingSlayyer on 20/10/2020 - 18:35
    +53

    Gamers are about to be very angry watch out…

    • dorian_gray on 20/10/2020 - 18:37
      +15

      How can one be angry at a freebie?

        • tm001 on 20/10/2020 - 20:43
          +15

          OK, starting about slavery…. but are you aware that slavery originated in Africa, right? Not in US. Right?
          I think everyone should be treated equally. My predecessors were treated badly too, very badly actually, yet I am not rioting, stealing, etc.
          The BLM had a great chance, but it discredited itself by violence and some stupid people… I am sorry, but the first association I got with BLM is the violence now.

          • Ravensbane on 20/10/2020 - 21:07
            +21

            @tm001: Yeah its interesting when you delve into it that historically Africans from a losing tribe were being sold by Africans of the winning tribe to anyone that would buy them. Including slave traders from the middle east. Just a side of it you dont really hear about.

            • petry on 20/10/2020 - 23:20
              +3

              @Ravensbane: I didn't realise that white people were never involved in slavery - oh those terrible lies about george washington….

            • brentsbits on 21/10/2020 - 16:26

              @Ravensbane: What has that side got to do with anything?

          • Chchnu on 20/10/2020 - 21:15
            +2

            @tm001: If it was legal and accepted when it happened it’s ok. No malice intended. Like if in 100 years for whatever reason Keeping a dog on a leash is the worst thing you can do, would it mean all of us are wrong?

            • Zilch on 20/10/2020 - 22:22
              +2

              @Chchnu: Sorry mate but I have to disagree. First, that's a horrible analogy. Second, something being "legal and accepted" doesn't make it ok at all…

              • Chchnu on 20/10/2020 - 22:27
                +1

                @Zilch: From the perspective of the slave traders, it was a business. So it was normal to them. So it is like any sorts business now that is deems horrible in 100 years time meaning the people involved now are bad.

                Maybe horse racing is banned and cruel in the future. Are jockeys now going go to hell?

            • brentsbits on 21/10/2020 - 16:26
              +2

              @Chchnu: No malice intended? Sure, the beatings, lynchings and killings, nothing personal.

            • bamp on 21/10/2020 - 19:52
              +2

              @Chchnu: The killing of 6M+ Jews in WW2 Germany was perfectly legal and accepted under Nazi rule at the time, do you think that was ok? No malice intended?

          • blackfrancis75 on 20/10/2020 - 21:29
            +12

            @tm001: BLM refers to systemic racism in the US and around the World, especially w.r.t Law Enforcement. The vast majority of BLM actions are peaceful in the spirit of Martin Luther King.

      • Snakey Chook on 20/10/2020 - 18:46
        +24

        Rod M has kindly demonstrated this for you :) What a helpful person.

      • jaimex2 on 20/10/2020 - 19:40
        +32

        It's like getting free religious pamphlets on your door

      • Miami Mall Alien on 20/10/2020 - 19:54
        +131

        Only the ignorant and the racist will be offended

        It's the stupidity of the average punter taking these virtue-signalling, multinational corporations at face value and genuinely thinking they're doing these overt PR stunts out of some deeply-principled altruistic concern for justice and righting historical wrongdoings, that offends me.

        Sony's gaming products (and entire portfolio of electronic goods) are built on the backs of sweatshop labourers living in semi-slavery, many of them children, in addition to forced labour from China's oppressed Uyghurs imprisoned in detention camps.

        Sony has zero moral high ground with which to try and browbeat the masses as to which political or ideological causes are righteous and legitimate and deserving of support when their entire business model depends on slavery of a kind not too dissimilar to that experienced by those subjugated peoples shipped to the New World during the Atlantic Slave Trade.

        All these giant corporations care about are their quarterly earnings and profits and anything that might upset that, like boycotts or class action lawsuits over perceived inaction or dismissal of socially important issues, will cause them to react accordingly to improve their public relations image as being a socially-conscious brand worthy of your loyalty.

        People really need to stop accepting the input of brands, celebrities and non-elected, unaffiliated entities on matters of political importance as being indicative of anything other than a self-serving interest in seeing their stock value rise.

        • railspider on 20/10/2020 - 20:06
          -7

          You're still going to buy a PS5 though, aren't ya?

          • Miami Mall Alien on 20/10/2020 - 20:12
            +31

            @railspider: Seeing as I haven't owned a console since the N64, no.

            And in light of Sony's half-assed attempt to lecture us peasants on socio-political issues? Definitely no.

        • Wystri Warrick on 20/10/2020 - 20:06
          +11

          Very very well written Amar89, totally agree 🙂

        • PDeez on 20/10/2020 - 20:13

          Well said

        • punk000 on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
          +1

          This is also the same company with the rootkit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk…

        • m0usju1c3 on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
          +2

          Well said @Amar89 thank you

        • Mistredo on 20/10/2020 - 20:21
          +29

          Blizzard recently nicely demonstrated that. When people were protesting in Hong Kong, they banned gamers who mentioned it, because they didn't want Chinese politics in their streams. Because it might impact their business in China. Later on, Blizzard didn't have any issues using BLM and other messages in their campaigns.

          Companies use politics only when it does not impact their bussiness.

          • iainmacsoul on 20/10/2020 - 20:42
            +3

            @Mistredo: yup one way street with lefty mindset

            • Grandslam on 20/10/2020 - 21:59
              +4

              @iainmacsoul: BLM used to have something on their website about wanting to disrupt the western nuclear family as well. They have an agenda far beyond just racial issues.

        • first in line on 20/10/2020 - 20:28
          +1

          I like how you used reddit as a source

        • Slakemoth on 20/10/2020 - 20:29
          -2

          Right on, except…

          They're not just cynically virtue signalling like you wish they were, Sony as a whole are actually spending serious money to effect change. In addition to doing stuff like this that triggers you so badly.

          https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/business/record-label…

          • pj1351 on 20/10/2020 - 23:49
            +2

            @Slakemoth:

            Sony as a whole are actually spending serious money to effect change.

            How much is $100 million compared to Sony's annual US taxable income? Pretty safe bet that it's less than 25%, huh? Which means 100% of this "fund" will be writen-off against money that Sony would have otherwise had to pay in taxes anyway.

            Of course, how much of this slush fund will actually be spent to "effect change"? Wouldn't be surprised if 50% of it will quietly disappear into administrative costs (read: cushy jobs for family, friends, and maybe beauracrats who make laws/ruling in Sony's favour). Then whatever's left is then directed towards other similar funds.

            Wash, rinse, repeat.

            … Until somewhere much further down the line, it'll probably end up as a few thousand dollars to bail out white trust fund kids who burned down shops in black neighbourhoods in "mostly peaceful" riots protests.

        • elseye on 20/10/2020 - 22:07
          -4

          Disagree with some of your points.
          1, What sony has done is certainly NOT perfect! But "when all the developed countries export rubbishes to developing countries and keep their own lands clean, then you cannot blame it is all "dirty" fault of developing countries". It is a metaphor but enough to tell you this issue is not just sony's fault, in fact from many parties at all. So please analysis with all necessary inputs.
          2, "Forced labour from China's…" Have you ever really been there and seen YOUR truth with your eyes? As I know, such articles/topics are rather than tell the world the truth but a tool to fight among different countries, one of many political tools. So many people think China is a monster because they only get knowledge from western media, but only people in the world who can read Chinese or been in China can tell that China has been getting better and better, can tell what a real China is.

          I have my half time in China and half in Australia, so I have a chance to compare two different countries, different systems and different cultures. I cannot tell China is better than Australia or vice versa cause both have good things and bad things, neither is perfect, like everything in the world. But what I can guarantee is that China is NOT like what you read from most of the western media.

          I can see your good heart, but the way you protect justice is NOT very objective.

          • Chchnu on 20/10/2020 - 22:24

            @elseye: But then you are either reading western or Chinese media…. unless you a uyegur you don’t know what’s really going on.

            • elseye on 20/10/2020 - 22:30

              @Chchnu: So you are uyegur? And tell me what you have experienced, please.

          • Pennypacka on 20/10/2020 - 22:45
            +1

            @elseye: @elseye I hear what you are saying and it must be upsetting for a Chinese person to hear the China bashing that goes on pretty openly around you. I’m guilty of it but I can make the distinction between Chinese individuals and the CCP. I live on the Gold Coast and there’s not much diversity here but the Chinese people that I know are good people with a great sense of humour. So please don’t take it personally when people comment on or criticise the actions of the CCP who are undoubtedly guilty of some horrible things no matter what their sources of information are.

            • shattered on 20/10/2020 - 23:13
              +1

              @Pennypacka: it's kinda hard for them, given CCP state-run media constantly drives the notion that "China is CCP, CCP is China" from within, to the point where they often openly say they "represent 1.4billion Chinese".

              It's actually quite hilarious if you understand mandarin and watch some of their news. They don't differentiate between opinion pieces and journalism. (Not that the mainstream western media is any better, but at least they try to put opinions in their own column and put a fat "OPINION" at the top of the article)

              So in a way, if they read too much of those, they can get so attached that it feels like they're kidnapped by this mentality of China = CCP = Us. Whereas in western culture, we often don't give two shit whether we're Labour or Coalition or whatever and we criticise all of them equally if they fuk up. (unless you're a far left or far right, but I count those as minorities)

              Side note, this is also why some of them don't really understand why people would openly criticise Trump, ScoMo, BoJo, and think it's one of western culture's weakness that they're not "united".

              • elseye on 21/10/2020 - 11:00

                @shattered: Thanks for your comment.
                I will show some points and you can have a look.
                1, CCP is NOT China and China is NOT CCP, but China is like a car and CCP is like the engine this China car is now having.
                2, There are at least 2 purposes of criticising CCP, one is to help Chinese (welcome), the other one is to beat down China (especially the US politicians are doing now). Many historical cases can tell, such as Iraq War, Plaza Accord, etc. I cannot see people there got a better life with their "HELP".
                3, People like me heard different voices from different sources, have different experiences to compare and then give our understanding of the world. I read some Chinese media and BBC, VOA, RFA, RFI, local ABC, Herald Sun, etc daily. Do you still think I have been kidnapped by CCP's media? I can tell you that I was CCP-criticise years ago till I realised I was just naive.
                PS: "Kevin Rudd's petition calling for a royal commission into News Corp". Agree or disagree with him, does not matter but at least you see more than 300 thousands signatures so far. It can tell you something, right? We, Australians, have been utilised by the politicians (I reckon). Media, regardless of Chinese or Western media, are not fully trustful, better to source knowledge from different media, especially own eyes or real friends' eyes, personal experiences.
                I will not follow up on this topic after this comment. Only words I am leaving right now: "after years, if someone still remembers this conversation, then have a look at the countries they mentioned here AGAIN and let the result to prove correct or not, so will I".

                • shattered on 21/10/2020 - 13:34
                  +1

                  @elseye: Writing this for anyone following the thread.

                  1) What you said directly strengthed my argument. You put CCP at the core of China, so by your logic, without CCP, China will just be a shell of a car and its citizen will just be hopeless sheep? That's very degrading and I refuse to think Chinese like that. I would add the car also has no steering wheel, hence CCP will drive China to wherever it wants regardless of whether the shell wants to go or not. Even off a cliff.

                  2) I don't understand what this has to do with what I'm saying about brainwashing citizens to be obedient and subjugated… I understand western civilisation has also done tremendous evil, and many do and are allowed to criticise it, thats why you have left right center medias you can choose to watch. You try protesting about Tibet, HK, Xinjiang, 6489 events in China or even write an article about it. Those are good criticism are they not? It helps the Chinese citizen to have a voice. Unless only voices that is deemed appropriate to CCP are allowed to propagate? If that's the case, 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell is a good book to read.

                  3) "I have read XYZ medias" does not make you immediately "centered". This is a terrible argument. Every person has an implicit biases, you may read all of those, but you will like some contents more than other. The important thing is to learn to pick out the biases and question them. And yes, you questioned whether to be critical of CCP or not, that's good, but don't get blind sighted by that one question only, balance yourself with to criticise and not to criticise and why you're doing either of them based on critical objective judgement on individual events.

                  PS. PS. I find it ironic when you said "We, Australians, have been utilised by the politicians" when Kevin Rudd is a politician who used his influence to garner signatures AND CCP is also a political entity that is utilising Chinese citizens. So I don't see your point here. As for "truthful media", you're right, media have implicit biases too, but what you're saying is EXACTLY the point why CCP is being criticised. THEY DO NOT ALLOW OTHER SOURCES OF KNOWLEDGE. If they do, we won't even be having this conversation…. facepalm

                  And on your last note. Yes, any one can say "time will tell". And obviously time do tell. If you stretch time to infinite in the future, nothing matters. I don't see the point of this. But ok. shrug

            • elseye on 21/10/2020 - 10:21

              @Pennypacka: I do appreciate, Pennypacka.
              I do hope everyone can think about things like you.
              In terms of the matter between CCP and China/Chinese, I saw another comment from another user and I will @shattered to say something.
              Again, thank you.

        • petry on 20/10/2020 - 23:31

          As opposed to the some 20,000 active isis uigher fighters formerly known as terrorists fighting Australian troops amongst others and still shooting.

        • brentsbits on 21/10/2020 - 16:27

          overt PR stunts

          That's the point. PR. Getting the message out.

    • Lizard Spock on 20/10/2020 - 20:38
      +1

      Oh I wish I was an energy vampire….

    • jims2020 on 20/10/2020 - 20:53
      +2

      Lets burn the Playstation Store.

      • cynicalmike on 20/10/2020 - 22:12
        +1

        throws molotov cocktail at TV

        oh, shit.

      • Sutra on 20/10/2020 - 21:52

        What are BLM objectives?

    • m0usju1c3 on 20/10/2020 - 19:03
      +40

      Why the negs? This group is rioting and destroying wherever it goes.

      • Ravensbane on 20/10/2020 - 19:09
        +45

        What may have started once with possible good intentions has devolved into nothing better than Antifa or any other extreme group.

        • petry on 20/10/2020 - 19:21
          +4

          mate we support isis terrorist groups now - so what your point apart from repeating yank ideology produced solely for monetary gain?

          • Ravensbane on 20/10/2020 - 19:40
            +39

            @petry: Ohh so anyone that thinks BLM is anything other than a sweet group of people trying to bring about positive change is just following yank ideology produced solely for monetary gain? Get your head out of the sand. I guess you are all for Antifa as well right?

            And as for supporting isis terrorist groups, im not sure what you are on about there.

            Black Lives do Matter but screw the group that is now BLM.

            • vchung916 on 20/10/2020 - 20:09
              +7

              @Ravensbane: Agree

            • petry on 20/10/2020 - 22:38
              +1

              @Ravensbane: There are in fact many different BLM groups in many countries - they are not the same - they are very different, with different aims.

              So which BLM group is the one 37 people are singling out for abuse exactly or doesn't it matter?

              I assume its the one which Trump raves about like the pathetic excuse for a human being that he is now recognised as…

              Your indifference towards supporting known isis terrorists I also assume is shared by the other positive voters …

        • A female dog on 20/10/2020 - 19:51
          +16

          Exactly this.

        • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 19:58
          +9

          Oh good, this take is it?

          So a very small extremist group who support an absolutely valid movement makes that whole movement invalid?

          In that case, absolutely everyone who votes republican is a KKK sympathizer. Brilliant.

          • aml123 on 20/10/2020 - 21:48
            +3

            @doobes: Yes.
            Yes.

            So a very small number of bad cops means they are pigs, ACAB and should be defunded?

            Using the same silly logic, BLM/Antifa have become violent and destructive which makes the whole movement invalid.

            • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 22:04
              +2

              @aml123: You do realise what defunding the police means don't you?

              • aml123 on 20/10/2020 - 22:14
                +3

                @doobes: To some it means completely abolishing the police and to others reallocating funds towards community services.

                Doesn't really matter, the woke don't have a single coherent thought, they're just making things up as they go which explains why their ideologies contradict one another.

                • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 22:52
                  +1

                  @aml123: It doesn't really matter?
                  You vehemently oppose it but you don't know what it means?
                  Amazing.

                  • aml123 on 21/10/2020 - 15:19
                    -1

                    @doobes: Haha, the only thing I did 'vehemently' was point out your hypocrisy, which you then chose to completely ignore.

                    I just told you what it means and also why it doesn't matter, maybe try addressing that first before you repeat questions I've already answered.

        • Dontdoit on 20/10/2020 - 22:22

          Joe Biden says Antifa is an idea

      • WinstonWithAY on 20/10/2020 - 19:19
        +39

        The vast majority of protests are peaceful but don't let facts get in the way of feelings
        https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/stud…

        • Ghos7 on 20/10/2020 - 19:30
          +25

          BLM leaders are trained marxist organisers. It's a bit of a shock to see so many obviously uninformed people on this site.

          • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 19:55
            -3

            @Ghos7: more rubbish spouted by the illinformed.

            • DarKBlooD on 20/10/2020 - 20:03
              +25

              @doobes: The BLM founders are marxist by their own admission, i guess we know who is uninformed here.

              • rockinrors on 20/10/2020 - 20:34
                +3

                @DarKBlooD: Do you know what Marxist means?

                • justarandyleak on 20/10/2020 - 21:42
                  +1

                  @rockinrors: Not sure how that's relevant, the leaders themselves are self proclaimed Marxists.

              • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 20:47
                -1

                @DarKBlooD: Even if that were true (it isnt), that has no bearing on what the BLM movement is about.

                • Valowick on 20/10/2020 - 21:50
                  +5

                  @doobes: They literally said they are Marxist. There’s no tip toeing needed about this fact. And yes, it does in fact change what BLM is about if their demands are inspired by this and the demands are in accordance with said politics.

                  • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 22:07
                    +3

                    @Valowick: The amount of murdoch spoon fed guzzlers is still astonishing.

                    • Valowick on 21/10/2020 - 07:49
                      +1

                      @doobes: I watched their own damn interview where they said it. Not everything you don’t like hearing is fake news from billionaires. It’s okay if they’re marxists. It’s not like it will undo the work of other genuine organisations that actually do care about affected peoples. BLM is not one of them. It’d be great if they were,

          • petry on 20/10/2020 - 22:40
            +2

            @Ghos7: source? ( besides trumps ravings)

        • Dontdoit on 20/10/2020 - 22:24

          If 7% of of the drivers on the road are drunk wouldn't you want the police to do something about it?

      • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 19:35
        +17

        I can see the CCP 50c army is at it again

      • muzzamo on 20/10/2020 - 20:15
        +5

        Agreed

      • ToTheLeftHandSide on 20/10/2020 - 20:17
        +2

        I thought it was called ‘peaceful’ protesting lol

    • xXHoSlayaXx on 20/10/2020 - 22:18

      This man speaking f a c t s.

    • Eeples on 21/10/2020 - 09:28
      +1

      Conflating the BLM movement (which has popular support) with the BLM organisation (which may have marxist leanings) is scare mongering of the worst kind.

      Congratulations.

      • heal on 21/10/2020 - 09:59
        -2

        Marxist denial is worse.

        • Eeples on 21/10/2020 - 14:32

          What am I denying?

  • epicttiimm on 20/10/2020 - 18:40
    +31

    I think the theme looks great and its supporting a well overdue social movement. And it's free. Just downloaded it thanks OP.

    • dorian_gray on 20/10/2020 - 18:41
      +15

      You're welcome.

      • jonathonsunshine on 20/10/2020 - 20:10
        +4

        Dorian Gray? Come on dude, pick a side ;)

  • Winston100s on 20/10/2020 - 18:41
    +66

    I understand political correctness, but this stupidity has gone to far. What's next, Black Supremacy?? What's that better than any neo nazi movement?

    • JeBs on 20/10/2020 - 18:48
      +17

      Said like a true racist. What an uneducated fool you must be to think you’re justified in making a statement like that.

      • MonkeyMagic4u on 20/10/2020 - 19:19
        +33

        So someone is uneducated just because they don't agree with you? Who exactly is the fool?

        • doobes on 20/10/2020 - 22:53

          The guy who made that idiotic post above.
          Did you not read it?

    • Snakey Chook on 20/10/2020 - 18:50
      +32

      Abso-bloody-lutely! This background image for a video game console has taken it too darn far. Gosh, they may as well have made that fist a swastika.

    • onlinepred on 20/10/2020 - 19:21
      +35

      So many racist ozb. This is a gaming console theme, nothing else. Get a life.

      • m0usju1c3 on 20/10/2020 - 22:14
        +6

        You're obviously very uninformed. It is a theme for a gaming console, yes, but nothing more? How about what the theme represents? A movement who's motives are completely aligned with Marxist principles (communists), which is pretty much the end of liberty and the absolute control and dictation of your life.

        What would your response be if it was a Nazi theme then? I'm not paralleling BLM and Nazism, but I'm asking what would your response be? Would you completely ignore and write it off as "just a theme for a gaming console"?

        • onlinepred on 20/10/2020 - 22:33
          +3

          The basic premise of this theme, is to raise awareness of black people's rights in the world. If you want to draw conspiracy theories and conclusions to appease yourself, go ahead, do it on Facebook, not a bargain website. I mean are you just going to say nazi, ccp blah blah like every Facebook argumentative subscriber, yes, you have, many times. Its a Trump argument, things are bad, like Nazis, they are the worst, blm is bad, nazi, bad, Marxism, bad blah blah.

          • m0usju1c3 on 20/10/2020 - 23:24
            +2

            @onlinepred: "The basic premise of this theme, is to raise awareness of black people's rights in the world"

            Have you read their manifesto? Their principles? (which was taken down for obviously embarrassing reasons but you can still find it) It's far more than that. The end of the traditional family, abolition of Capitalism, prisons etc. They want to uproot the system. Look at their behavior, endless rioting and harassment of innocent people dining at a restaurant, halting traffic on highways and roads and demanding people repeat "Black lives matter" with their fists raised. Yes there are innocent people who are peacefully protesting, but it is undeniable now that the main founders are trained Marxists, there's not conspiracy in that, the founders themselves have documented this.

            Also you didn't answer my question, what would your response be if it was a Nazi theme?

            • jonathonsunshine on 21/10/2020 - 01:23

              @m0usju1c3: that restaurant meme is old, and the people didn't look too upset. Rather get my lunch interupted than stomped out by the cops though.

              • m0usju1c3 on 21/10/2020 - 07:24

                @jonathonsunshine: Old?? It's within a month and probably still happening. How about the frequency of it happening? Haven't even mentioned when they marched in residential neighbourhoods demanding people get out of their homes. Get your head out of the sand man.

            • onlinepred on 21/10/2020 - 08:19

              @m0usju1c3: It started almost a decade ago. I don't care if there are some bad eggs. There are always bad eggs. It doesn't take away from the very simple motives of stopping police violence against black people. Anyway, you are a argumentative Facebooker, ask your want to think is you are smart, and for others to agree. Enjoy mate!

              • m0usju1c3 on 21/10/2020 - 09:53

                @onlinepred: It's not just a case of bad eggs, again you have failed to address what their motives are (which was conveniently taken down prior to the US election after many had highlighted it's strong Marxist and Communist ideologies), you can find it if you search web archive.

                "Anyway, you are a argumentative Facebooker" - I'm not a member of Facebook, never have been and never will be. I am just informed and do my research, I suggest you do the same. By argumentative do you mean that I am bringing forth facts which you refuse to deal with and therefore consider me as being "argumentative"? Where is your logic and reason? It's called critical thinking. Just because I've made an argument consisting of facts which you've constantly dodged, doesn't mean I'm "argumentative", you're refusing to address the issue and facts and have instead resorted to naming/branding me as "argumentative", all because my opinion differs to yours.

                • onlinepred on 21/10/2020 - 10:09

                  @m0usju1c3: Hypothetically, if your parents were found out to have learnt about marxism and liked the ideas, does that mean you would rule out everything they have ever done, said and everything they have stood for? Would that also mean the whole family tree should also be dismissed? No matter how positive their ideas, no matter how much they push forward society, you will dismiss them.

                • brentsbits on 21/10/2020 - 16:31

                  @m0usju1c3:

                  I'm not a member of Facebook

                  Maybe not, but you certainly are a pedant.

                  I am just informed and do my research

                  Reading internet posts isn't research

                  which was conveniently taken down

                  Very convenient that you get to refer to it without being able to point to the document.

                  Just because I've made an argument consisting of facts

                  lol

                  • m0usju1c3 on 21/10/2020 - 22:06

                    @brentsbits: Nice quoting, you've used nice format. Here is the document you were too lazy to google, literally the first google result:
                    https://archive.is/oARH0

                    Haha reading internet posts? So you've delved into my mind and determined all of my info is derived from internet posts? Care to take on my claims then or will you just sit there and disregard all of my points with no substance, just like onlinepred above has? No surprise anyway, leftists can't debate if their life depended on it. You've literally contributed nothing meaningful to refute me, just claims but no backing.

                    You've lol'd at my claim to have stated facts, is that meant to refute me? I've been proven wrong now? VERY convincing argument there.

                    • Bjingo on 22/10/2020 - 00:41

                      @m0usju1c3: I had a read of the what we believe page archive you linked, and other than the aggressive tone it didn't seem that bad. They don't mention removing the western nuclear family but the do say they don't prescribe to it which does not seem that bad, I think having strong links with extended family and community is a great thing.

                      I did not see any mention of abolishing prisons. It was mainly on empowering those that are discriminated against, which does not feel like a bad thing. Plus the prison system in USA, which is where they are based is not a good one, from memory the whole prison system over there is pretty bad as in it has inhumane living conditions and are overcrowded largely due to minimum sentencing laws and the overuse of prison as a punishment even for smaller crimes and it probably does need to be reformed.

                      Them being Marxist is sort of obvious without them even saying it, Marxism was a philosophical ideology that came about due to class divides and inequality. Its main idea is for the people to take back ownership from individuals (Seize the means of production) and make a system in which there is no classes, the point of working is not for ones individual benefit but for the common good. I can't imagine any group of discriminated people would push capitalist ideology as it is an ideology that exacerbates most the issues they experience. Can you elaborate on how it ends liberty and causes the complete loss of control on the individuals life I'm in no way an expert and find having additional views on these matters to be very beneficial.

                      Don't get me wrong I think privatisation has its place and used correctly can be hugely beneficial in particular markets a good example being the tourism sector. Capitalism as the predominant system does however encourage class divides and benefiting at the expense of others. It also amplifies the benefits of historic wealth, which for people who's ancestors were slaves puts them in the unfortunate spot of being the others. In addition the idea of completely privatising sectors such as healthcare and education that many Capitalist enthusiasts push seems rather unethical, denying an individual continued life due to being poor doesn't fit with my personal moral standpoint. Not to insinuate that's what you believe, it is just a part of the privatisation process some Capitalist enthusiasts desire.

                      Sorry for walls of text.

    • yannyrjl on 20/10/2020 - 19:36
      +4

      or rather they chant "Black Power"

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