The budget phone that matches and even out performs Android flagships twice the price is now even cheaper!
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Great for those who don’t want too muck around with cancelling Vodafone contacts.
Not my first post. Don’t be nice.
However, the chip is quite efficient, so I find to it to be quite a good middle ground.
I saw this as well on Apple Store but thought it was EPP… good to see they dropped the price as this is honestly a great option for parents who don't care for Face ID/latest stuff but I want a phone which will get software updates for a while.
yea they dropped the price at a tradeoff - no charger or earphones.
honestly the earphones were really good for calls because you could position the mic close to your mouth. even AirPods Pro mic quality can't beat wired apple earphone mic
Yeah that mic is bloody good, unfortunately I lost my at the start if year 😔
What's "EPP"? Google was no help..
Employee Purchase Program… otherwise known as employee benefits (at a medium-large organisation) gets you a discount.
From a pure performance standpoint, yes the A13 in the iPhone SE bends over Android flagships rocking flagship Qualcomm Snapdragon 865/865+ chips. I wouldn't say raw benchmark performance is the only metric phones should be measured against though, as the additional performance gains to say a 700-series Snapdragon is imperceptible to daily use unless you're playing intensive 3D titles on your phone. If you're not tied to the Apple ecosystem, I dare say a Pixel 4a would offer a much better overall experience for a lesser price ($599): larger 5.8" OLED as opposed to the iPhone's 4.7" LCD, slimmer bezels, and a camera that punches WELL above its weight.
You forgot OS usability.
What do you mean?
@[Deactivated]: Different strokes for different folks but "unusable" is a bit of a stretch. Particularly stock Android.
@[Deactivated]: I believe you're referring to Autotype but maybe iphone auto type didn't really help you much there :P
Just wondering which Android are you referring to that doesn't have 'Android Auto'?
@[Deactivated]: I hear you can't put any files on iphones unless you use that antiquated and annoying app called iTunes?
And OS updates.
And walk in, walk out in store warranty replacement.
Your second point I can't argue with, Google really needs to invest in brick and mortar locations. That said, since the Pixel is a Google phone and Google owns Android OS, it's always the first in line to get software and security updates.
@dogsryummy: Getting my Nexus 6 battery replaced under warranty was a nightmare (and the replacement battery had thermal issues). It’s what convinced me to switch back to iOS.
@PainToad: I had quite a good support from them actually. When the whole nexus 6p battery debacle happened, they sent me a brand new pixel. And i also had to RMA some other phones with no issue, so support is not terrible, just that you don't have the option to walk in a Google store.
I'm with you here to a certain degree. My experience with Apple warranty claims has changed alot over the last 5 years.
They're still good… But not like they once were. They'll make you jump through a few hoops now.
@iWan: I've had to sit for a while in an Apple store to get things fixed, but there's nothing like walking into a store, throwing a device at someone and getting it fixed. First time I had that experience was with Nokia in the early 2000's it was great, so much better than every other warranty experience I've had which always seem to start with having to post things away, or make several trips to an out of the way 'authorized repairer' who waits weeks for parts.
You also forgot privacy. Google don’t care about your privacy.
You probably use Google services on your iPhone anyway so your point is invalid. Nice try though.
rolls eyes is that the best you got?
@[Deactivated]: Am I wrong? It's funny watching folks like you pulling the privacy card in an iOS versus Android debate, when you willingly opt in to Google services such as Google search, Gmail, Google Drive etc. on your iPhone, making your argument irrelevant. You're either an idiot who thinks he's in total control of his data or you actually don't care at all about your privacy. So, which one is it?
@[Deactivated]: Thanks for sharing, but I don't see how you're addressing my point? You probably used Google to find that page HAHAHAH.
@dogsryummy: And what about telling a user when an app is actually using data from a clipboard? Google would never tell a user that but Apple do.
@[Deactivated]: Unless the app is the default input method editor (IME) or is the app that currently has focus, the app cannot access clipboard data on Android 10 or higher.
@dazweeja: The issue users uncovered when this was introduced was that whenever certain apps got focus, they'd start reading whatever was already on the clipboard, Apple started showing users when Apps did this. So it's not so much about preventing apps from accessing the clipboard but highlighting the ones that use it, even when technically allowed (by being in focus).
Preventing apps that aren't the IME / in focus is a different thing and not really relevant to @squeesqueek 's point
@[Deactivated]: Thanks. That looks like a good feature and one I'd like to see on Android. Although @squeesqueek's assertion that Google would never do this when Apple only introduced it a few months ago seems a bit of a stretch…
@[Deactivated]: You haven't addressed ANY of my points from the past few replies, but yeah go walk away with your participation medal, you really got me good didn't you. Now why don't you go check your Gmail, you might've gotten some new emails in the time we were replying to each other.
@[Deactivated]: It's really weird to see people standing on Apple's side real hard for some funny reason (eg. No Android Auto), lost and left the debate with a yawn
disclaimer: I'm an Apple fan but too poor to own one so I'm looking at this page…
I remember when the "you don't really need all that power, it's all about the experience" was an argument for buying an Apple device instead of against it. Whatever you prefer I suppose.
Apple is stuffing an A13 into a 4.7" screen with 3 GB RAM. The A13 will be bottlenecked by everything else in the phone before it even reaches 50% of its max potential. Even for gaming, it can only game at a maximum resolution of 1334×750 (its native resolution). You don't need A13 to drive that resolution, even if your game of choice is PUBG Mobile or Fortnite on extreme settings.
Good luck trying to play fortnite on a new iPhone :)
Is it meant to be a bad thing that the A13 is overpowered? There's plenty of benefits of having a massive amount of CPU power headroom, and I don't really see any downsides.
@Alzori: For one you have less battery life that is wasted on a chip that cannot be fully utilised by the phone, not to mention that it drags the price of the phone much higher than it should be when the chip is completely not needed. Apple should of invested in better features that mainstream consumers care about, like a screen that is 1080p or for it to be less ugly or even to lower the price, rather than having its headline feature be a very fast cpu that it cannot even be maximised in usage.
@diddypc: I don't think you can make both of those assertions conclusively, you would have to test them. Regarding battery life - the chip will dynamically consume more/less power based on how hard it works. If it's always underutilised it won't use as much power, so the battery life may actually end up better due to the reduced time spent at high clock speeds.
On the cost of the chip, economies of scale can have a huge impact on the price of these things. If Apple only needs to develop and produce a single SoC this year and can use it in every phone, that's probably saving a ton of costs in R&D and getting new processes up and running. As long as they are getting good yields on this one chip they make, it's probably better for them to just produce heaps of the A13 and focus their effort on making that process efficient. Since they have to do all that development work in-house (it's not just a matter of buying the low-power option for cheap from Qualcomm) it probably works out cheaper for Apple in the long run to consolidate their resources as much as possible.
Regarding costs of the external design - they are cheaping out here by spending next to nothing on the design work and just re-using their old designs. To go to the effort of designing something more modern exclusively for their low-end lineup would cost more than just continuing to use the well-established design and production facilities that they have already setup. If you want a nicer design you can pay more for their other options, but it's not an equivalent cost to re-using an existing design. Same thing with the screen resolution - better screens cost more, and (as above) you can't assume there are cost savings to outweigh this by inserting a lower power SoC.
@Alzori: You raise some good points, and you certainly understand your economics. I agree I cannot make these assumptions conclusively, however, I am inclined to say that even if the long-run production cost of the chips and internal components of their phones are indeed cheaper, it doesn't warrant their design choices to be good ones. If they save costs on both lack of development in their design and by using one chip, the price is certainly not justified for a "mid-tier"/ Apple's low end offering when it is still running a low quality screen, where in 2020, it is generally standardised that a $700 should have a 1080p screen. The decent camera and IOS dont justify this sort of price, which is what I have a problem with, but I must say that Apple's business strategy is smart, albeit not perfect.
Insanely good value.
Don’t be nice.
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I’m only joking. Only joking!
Lot of joking, but I don’t hear laughing.
From the article linked. Beats it in single core cpu speed. Multicore the s20 won. Seems like some Cherry picking stats. Similar to the intel fanbois trying to justify their pick vs ryzen.
Whether you use apple ecoystem, or Android, the reason shouldn't be because "MuH fOnE fAsteR thAn yoUrs." read the specs, consider your needs and budget.
We get Exynos Samsung flagships which is way slower than the Snapdragon variant in the video.
to elaborate my point, are people benchmarking or computing with their phones? Most mid ranged android phone will run any app fine, and iPhones the same. Don't think in the past 3 years I've seen mobile SoC throttle phone usability.
Seems like some Cherry picking stats.
I said it competes with and beats some benchmarks. Even competing with a flagship at this price is amazing.
But to quote the article (written by Android fan website):
So, while the iPhone SE can sprint out of the gate faster than the Galaxy S20 Ultra, it seems that after the first few meters it slows down, particularly when all the cores of the CPU are being used simultaneously. In the end, it manages to get over the finish line ahead of the S20 Ultra, but that seems to depend on where you draw that line.
I still don't get the points of these comparisons. Apple has the bottleneck on software (so much raw power wasted) and Android on hardware. But on a daily basis they work just fine. Just stick to whatever works for you.
Pretty much sums it up. For so much power, loading times and game performance are only marginally ahead of Android flagships.
It would absolutely crush the inferior Exynos version of Samsung flagship we get in Australia. The screen is a bit too small for my need. But otherwise good phone for people who just need a small fast phone for basic tasks. Should get updates for a few years . Overall good deal.
I mean all the power in the world doesn't mean much when iPhones are consistently years behind in actual features. Can you install a custom app launcher on iPhones yet?
Why would I want to?
Can you install a custom app launcher on iPhones yet?
For what purpose?
does it matter? The answer is no. Horses for courses. Some people want a custom launcher. Some people want the iOS generic experience.
does it matter?
Yep. Allowing custom code to run with no clear purpose is an invitation for misuse.
@[Deactivated]: Except there is a clear purpose, to allow people to customise their launcher. I mean it's right there in the name. As I said, some folks like that. Others prefer the standardised iOS launcher. Custom launchers are also subject to the same restrictions as any other app and have no lower level OS access, hence are unable to be misused to any further degree.
I kind of see it like people choosing between different browser or mail apps. So are ok with stock, others like to customise.
the overall iOS experience is superior to an Android. This is coming from a guy who used an iPhone 6S - Huawei Mate 10 - iPhone XS - Samsung s20 FE.
Yes Android is more customisable but after all that customisation it still feels inferior to stock iOS.
That's not to say some very particular parts of Android phones aren't better than iPhones.
Welcome to OZ new RRP
A RRP reduction is a price reduction, which is a saving, which is a bargain.
I think it's more of a PSA than a Deal… but in OzBargain spirit, let the community of upvotes/downvotes decide.
And it comes with a charging plug.
I read somewhere that Apple has removed chargers and headphones from all phone model now. So if you buy an iPhone 11, it won’t come with a charger and headphone. Though some 3rd party retailers might have old stock that still includes headphones and chargers. Hope someone can confirm this…..!
Confirmed that now all iPhones from Apple Store being sold without chargers and headphones. Just select any iPhone from Apple Online Store and go to in the box section, it just shows iPhone and Cable.
Dang I stand corrected.. no charger in these too.
The charger they used to include was a 5 W USB-A one anyway, who doesn't have dozens of those around unused because it's even slower than wireless charging… No big loss. The USB-C to lightning cable is a plus over the previous cable (USB-A) included though.
Same price at jb too, for those with gift cards.
iPhone fan boys will be all over this.
A 700 dollar phone that looks like a 2015 phone, has features of a 2013 phone and costs the same as a flagship android phone.
Apple fan Bois : I'll have 20 plz… It has the fastest processor ever conceived
costs the same as a flagship android phone.
2012 called, they want your knowledge of Android flagship pricing back.
2020 called. Standing outside an apple store for two days to be the first to buy an iPhone se isn't a thing anymore.
I don't think it's been a thing for 5 years?
2020 called. Standing outside an apple store for two days to buy an iPhone se isn't a thing anymore.
Who said it was?
Imagine being offended by a phone…
I have snapped and dropkicked at least 10 phones during rage over the past few years :(
Mostly android phones though
Funny I saw someone break their foot doing the same thing to a Nokia 3310.
You are fortunate you didn't own an iPhone in those 10 years otherwise you'd have blasted it off into space
@earth worm jim: An iPhone was one of the phones I snapped in half
And not 10 years, more like 10 phones in 3 years :P
this isn't meant to be a flagship iPhone. It's an entry level product. so compare it to say… a Samsung a51
Apple did a great job getting people to buy into the "new SE" hype. Sold a lot of phones to people thinking this really was what the new small apples were going to be … Then it goes and drops the true SE replacement aka (iPhone mini). Smaller, faster, much better screen, bigger screen all in a small package. Should sell a bunch to the same group. Evil genius.
Then it goes and drops the true SE replacement aka (iPhone mini)
And all for the bargain price of only $450 (or now $520) more! I couldn't really give a sh*t about the specs or the screen size of the iPhone mini. I owned the original SE and now the SE 2020 and am more than happy with it. Give me a physical home button any day of the week.
As long as it can run a few apps I need/use (hence why I'm on iOS anyway) and take a few pics of my dog, I couldn't care about the other wank that comes with a much more expensive phone.
I’m one of them - got my 2020 SE in april, having upgraded from an OG SE. Was curious to see the price for the 12 mini as I might’ve considered a swap for 5G but interestingly Apple didn’t list the 2020 SE for buy back. Cannot justify otherwise
Just sell it privately, it'll sell in less than a day and you'll get way more than what Apple will offer you for trade in.
I don't know if that's what people assumed… I always saw the SE as being yesteryear's design but with modern upgrades and latest OS inside for a reasonable price. I still think this is the perfect phone for my parents who wanted the home button and only use their phones for Whatsapp, Facebook, camera and the occasional simple game like Bejeweled.
Ok so for someone who wants to use their phone to go on IG + Messenger all day is this a good phone to get? Might include a bit of Covet Fashion and checking my horoscope and emails. I currently have a 7 and I don't understand all that tech speak above but just need to know if I can have 50 dumb apps I don't need on my phone without it dying.
Anything particularly wrong with your 7? I would just keep it if that's all you're using it for :)
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