Hopefully a working vaccine can be approved and mass produced before then.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/…
Good luck to Bain Capital, the Queensland Gov. and Qantas.
Maybe time to add to shorts on FLT & QAN?
No International Travel till Late 2021
mrvaluepack on 07/10/2020 - 16:57
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Might be a lagged effect
Gummi bears available aisle 3 most supermarkets. Same "proven" effectiveness as the Russian vaccine (The trials tested two slightly different viral-vector vaccines — which use genetically engineered adenoviruses to produce coronavirus proteins in the body — on 76 volunteers.)
gummu bears, bouncing here there and everywhere…
'Volunteers.' More like some poor saps in a Siberian gulag. 'Just sign here comrade, and you'll make parole, we promise!'
"volunteers"
It's still in phase 3 trial with lax regulations and they can claim it pre release vaccine. If the Oxford team developed it in Russia they can probably make a similar claim. Just another propaganda like the old day.
Didn't get the joke did you. I was implying the Russians aren't being truthful.
I am still wondering where that Russian vaccine is
Over in the land of Make-Believe.
A lot of people vastly underestimate the Russians. It is quite probable they do have a vaccine, where Russia tends to fail is its regulation and testing not in innovation and science. By that same standard it is almost certain we have a vaccine too just we are more cautious in our approach to regulation and testing before announcing it as a success.
no it's not underestimate, in this vaccine game luck can play a big part, being risky do pay handsomely, worst case scenario someone get some allergic reaction, most of these vaccine are nowhere near scary as the one Louis Pasteur did on some kids got bitten by stray dog.
worst case scenario someone get some allergic reaction
Worst case scenario you give everyone COVID++ and (profanity) up their immune systems.
I recall there was an interview with a senior virologist from the CDC on the Jeo Rogan show back at the beginning of the year. He said that he could create a vaccine in a day or two, but it probably wouldn't be anywhere near the needed effectiveness and the testing and approval would still take months.
They all lie, especially Russian, USA and China. Now everyone is trying to get the vaccine, and that's not about healing people, it is just like during the Cold War, now is all about who will find the Corona vaccine FIRST.
That is why I think we should form a protest to bring back 3G, because if we do so than COVID19 goes away, so does the GFC. Back to land of milk and honey.
I vote for 2g would like to use 8210 again
we could go back to 1920 that look like fun time to be alive we all be flapper
there was a article a few days ago how Putin is hiding away in a country house with everybody having the quarantine for 14 days before seeing him etc etc…. sounds like he has faith in Russian vaccine
There are dozens of vaccines in development which are being rushed through a series of trials and checkpoints before they can get to general release. As of last week, there was only one which had made it to the final series of trials.
Personally, I think it is unlikely that Russia has progressed beyond this. Perhaps they have, but I certainly wouldn't be queueing up for it.
In soviet russia, vaccine tests you!
Russia has approved the second Covid-19 vaccine but it has not gone through the extensive and rigorous three-phase trials.
Guess its time to start travelling around Australia
Been everywhere within 5km of my home in Melbourne, getting bored now. Might have to start a company considering the benefits of having a company now.
Can't afford to holiday in Australia
yeah that does tend to be the problem. It is not that travelling in Australia isn't nice, it tends to be that value for money you can get so much more travelling overseas (at least when that was an option).
@samfisher5986: you don't have to be travelling to $1 an hour countries. My last holiday's were Japan, New Zealand, Canada, US, Alaska, Scotland, Norway, Sweden. With the exception of Alaska and Norway/Sweden they were all cheaper places to visit especially if you time them correctly, Japan I found was roughly similar to Australia.
@samfisher5986: Comparing cost of holidays. Not cost of living or local food price. When I do that I do like for like with locations and activities that I do, Australia is bloody expensive. Still my next holiday is booked for Hamilton Island, not happy with price but at least safe to book
@samfisher5986: Where did you get the idea I was comparing it to that? That is simply my next holiday.
@gromit: Hamilton Island is my part of the world IGA is same as mainland so if cheap food keen to cook it yourself IGA bozze shop too. Accommodation on island is not cheap.
@samfisher5986: Japan's incredibly cheap - air bnb entire apartments in shinjuku for ~$70 per night.
Transport, food & alcohol dirt cheap.
@gromit: I don't see travelling within Australia is worth it at all. Where possible I always go overseas to experience different cultures and always cost similar if not cheaper
Cant say much now after Covid-19
@neonlight: I much prefer overseas for the same reasons. though there are a few places in Australia that are good just for relaxation purposes. really hard to justify a normal holiday in Australia in normal times when often that same money will see you in an exotic location or somewhere that you can learn and see things that are not possible in Australia.
Depends what you want.
Tacky boozy holidays in places like Gold Coast, alcohol and hotels off-set by cheaper flights.
Nature holidays, experiences that transcend financial value.A lot of options here.
Better to be stuck in Australia than stuck in England.
@[Deactivated]: You can make Gold Coast a cheap trip if you want. there lots of cheap hotels and eat out Woolworth or coles shops and if you walk off main part of the strip food get get hell of a lot cheaper
@nikey2k27: Agree
The “Australia is more expensive for a holiday” is a convenient myth.
People all over the world dream of coming to see the sights of Australia. They don’t dream of package holidays to a resort in Bali. Yet the consensus here is that it is a worse and more expensive option.
The first is subjective but the latter is objectively false
@[Deactivated]: Dunno man. I've driven across the whole thing. There is nothing here that I'd pay to see. Lookalike country towns, or lookalike cities.
@freakatronic: Kakadu, Great Barrier Reef, Uluru, circular quay, the blue mountains…
Yes all looks the same…
Totally. The rip off prices here are the reason we started going overseas in the first place. Not only much better value but a cultural experience too.
I have to laugh at the uninformed Bali comments that always come up on here whenever travel is mentioned. There is a lot more to Bali than Kuta/Legian and Bintang singlets! Go beyond those areas and you won't find too many bogans but will find an awful lot of beautiful, great value places staffed by wonderful locals. As for value, a 5 star type resort in Bali versus something similar here, no contest, especially in school holidays.
Totally. The rip off prices here are the reason we started going overseas in the first place. Not only much better value but a cultural experience too.
If you want to live like a king, then yes, Australia is expensive, but there are plenty of places you can go in nature/outback/bush that are fantastic to explore and don't cost you much more than petrol.
@p1 ama: It's not even about living like a king.
I enjoy holidaying as a way to get away from familiar things but still live fairly basic. My last big trip was three weeks in Northern Thailand and Cambodia, but a basic hotel in N QLD for a week was going to cost more than the Flight to Chiang Mai. I don't want to spend my holidays driving, so any trip for me in Australia means plane/train/bus to the location and pretty crappy local transport (and with things so remote in the outback, that experience doesn't appeal to me) apart from the big cities where hotels are even more expensive. Added to that three meals a day, snacks and drinks in Thailand cost less than a takeout/pub dinner in Australia.
But like for like, there are many countries cheaper to holiday than Australia (and a few more expensive too)
I don't want to spend my holidays driving, so any trip for me in Australia means plane/train/bus to the location and pretty crappy local transport (and with things so remote in the outback, that experience doesn't appeal to me) apart from the big cities where hotels are even more expensive.
Then Australia just isn't the right place for you. It doesn't change my original statement which is that there are still plenty of things to do, places to visit and explore in Australia.
@p1 ama: That's the point, and the reason that I and many choose to holiday elsewhere. It's a great place to live and I have had good holidays in Australia, but not everyone wants the same thing.
And my point was about not necessarily living like a king, but doing what you enjoy.
@dizzle: 4 star hotels in Cairns are half the price of the cheapest return flights to Chiang Mai according to Booking.com and Skyscanner
If people prefer to holiday outside of Australia that is completely their prerogative but the myth of pricing is something I’ve heard from people in every country I’ve ever lived in when it comes to domestic v overseas travel. The difference is that Australia is one of the most desirable tourist destinations in the world
@[Deactivated]: While I don't think prices right now are a fair comparison (hotels are cutting prices to get people in, while flight prices if available would probably be high), a quick search on Agoda for 4* below $900 for 7 days (the price I paid for return flights last time) in Cairns brings up mostly motels. That does include a couple of hotels advertising at 50% off (which isn't a standard thing).
So I stand by my point that I can have a three week overseas trip to many locations for less than a one week holiday to somewhere like Cairns.
As always it depends what you're willing to do, where you want to go and put up with, but it's not a myth.
As I've mentioned elsewhere it's also a "grass is greener" thing too. New York is one of the biggest tourist destinations in the world too, but many Americans don't want to go there on their holiday. We took a two week holiday in Scotland, but a close Scottish friend couldn't understand how we spent more than a weekend there. Most people want to get away from something familiar on their holidays.
@[Deactivated]: And Thailand/Bali are not?
Of course Cairns hotels are currently cheap, there's no tourists!
@Brianqpr: As "package holiday" destinations, Bali is not a globally sought after choice and the tourism market is propped up by the Chinese and Australian markets. It is the equivalent of the Spanish coast to Europeans.
Of course those destinations have tourism merits, this isn't about that. I am merely commenting on the fallacy of domestic holidays being over-priced compared to foreign equivalents. It's objectively not true on financial grounds and it is subjectively disputable on value grounds. I've chosen those words carefully so please pay me the courtesy of not countering with a straw-man argument.
As for hotel prices, a basic hotel in North Queensland will not be north of $150 per night. You can pay any money for a hotel room, as we all know. It goes without saying that you can stay in a more luxurious hotel room with that money in a 3rd world country like Indonesia or Thailand (3rd world as per definition, for example from worldpopulationreview, not my subjective opinion).
The total costs of flights and accomodation etc do not make Australia a much more expensive destination for travel and the tourism destinations here are more appealing than what most package holiday-makers avail of abroad.
It is true there are niche things of value to do in Bali off the beaten track.
As there are here.
When you factor in the cost of flights etc, it is a fallacy to say that it is more expensive to holiday here.
Goes without saying that it sucks now having as many options for travel, but we’re in Australia ffs.
@[Deactivated]: Its not a fallacy. The expensive prices here mean that overseas options can be had for the same money or less. The point is you aren't saving money by not going overseas. You get a different cultural experience and in our case the chance to expose your kids to something different early in their lives. I feel this is of great value.
Years ago when our kids were still pretty young we looked at holidaying here in the school summer holidays. The prices to stay anywhere decent were outrageous. So we took the kids to Bali for the first time and stayed in a stunning 5 star hotel in a beautiful part (not Kuta/Legian) of the island.
The kids loved it and we've been 5 times with them since staying in various parts of the island as we've become more familiar with it. They've also been to Fiji, New Zealand, Singapore and several countries in Europe
This year we will holiday in Australia because there will be no other choice. I'm sure we'll have a great time, but for me you can't beat international travel and I'm very much looking forward to when we can do it again.
@Brianqpr: No arguments that a hotel is cheaper in a 3rd world country than in Australia. If you want to stay an extended period of time in a high star hotel then you will get better "value" from an overseas holiday, certainly which will outweigh additional costs versus holidaying domestically the longer you stay.
I don't think is a reasonable framing for holiday budgeting but if others insist on that being it then fair enough.
I would love to do a trip to Gilis, Nusa P, and Ubud right now… would be perfect
It amazes me how little most Australians have seen of their own country.
Kakadu, Uluru, Great Barrier Reef… there's enough to see (or see again) before international travel re-opens to keep your holidays booked up.
Hobart to Darwin… completely diverse.
the cost of going to places like Uluru and Great Barrier Reef, you might as well go overseas but obviously with the restrictions now people will start visiting these places
Not sure that's really true.
You can fly from Sydney Ayers Rock Airport for $150 and accomodation options range from free to whatever you want.
You can fly from Sydney to Townsville for the Great Barrier Reef for $250 and tours there are cheap.
These more cultured holidays on our doorstep are not prohibitively expensive. If a package holiday to Bali etc is your thing then these types of holidays don't compete (and are cheaper) and they are significantly cheaper than sight seeing holidays abroad. Also it's a big part of our culture here.
During the holiday expense wise, bogan holidays to Gold Coast, Broome etc are more expensive than their equivalents in Indonesia etc.
@[Deactivated]: Flights are the cheapest cost. You then have car rental and accomondation which is the real kicker for places like Uluru.
Yet overseas visitors keep on coming to visit these places.. go figure..
I think the same goes for most nations, people don't really explore their own countries that much.
I went for a nice long drive through the outback last week and it was great. Normally I would be hopping onto Google Flights to see where in the world I could go, but the lack of flights made me look much closer to home.
Some countries have already openly discussed their intentions to require evidence of vaccination to enter once a vaccine is widely available.
Thailand
Indonesia
Japan
United States
United Kingdom
Germany
Spain
New Zealand
AustraliaThese are the ones i can remember, I believe its inevitable that a vaccination for international travel is going to be required
I also believe it is to be discussed further at future world summits (UN, G8 etc) as to how it is to be implemented.
Hopefully they will ship you to christmas island if you don't take the vaccine.
And infect the local Japanese because you're un-vaccinated?
I'm looking forward to all governments taking a stand and not letting a selfish minority expose their populations to danger. Entry to a country is a privilege not a right.
@stirlo: Or just take a test for covid, and go in when it comes back negative, as I don't go around licking handrails.
You do realise a vaccine is predicted to be nowhere near 100% effective right? So letting someone into a country just because they have take the vaccine is completely moronic. But I suppose facts are stupid.
@brendanm: It's about limiting risk. If it's (and i'm only estimating) 70% effective, you as an individual are less likely to get it. If a plane full of 200 passengers are all vaccinated at 70% effectiveness and one person is affected, you're less likely to have 200 infected people get off a plane. It could even be 0 other infections depending on whether those in proximity are the ones that the vaccine was successful on.
If 200 people have had a test with no vaccine, and one person has contracted it in the 7 days since being tested, then you are more likely to have 10/20/50/100/200 people infected by the end of the flight.
As a government would you prefer to trace 10 cases or 100 cases in your country?
@brendanm: Even if you test the day before, even if it's at the airport before you board, there's a chance you can get infected. A vaccine with a % chance of immunity is more likely to work provided everyone has been vaccinated.
I also wouldn't like to turn up at the airport to get tested, only to find I can't fly because the person standing in queue behind me causes me not to board the plane.
@brendanm: Vaccines work in protecting the wider population (even those stupid enough not to get vaccinated). But I suppose you think facts are stupid.
@Vote for Pedro: Looks like you think reading is stupid. Perhaps engage your eyes, and your brain, and read where I've stated numerous times I have no problem with vaccines in general. I've specifically stated what my problem with any covid vaccine will be.
If that's all too hard for you, just turn on "the project" and they'll tell you what to think.
@Vote for Pedro: Again, learn to read. I've already answered others suggesting that. I sure will be looking forward to local travel, lots of beautiful things to see in Australia.
as I don't go around licking handrails.
you think the 36 or so million people around the globe got it by licking handrails?
They don't want you.
They had better not attempt to force the vaccine for international travel.
That is indeed their plan.
This should be interesting - who's 'they'?
@EightImmortals: Explore that thought and see if it leads to anything coherent on a practical, logistical, economical or ideological level.
People spread similar conspiracy theories during the black plague.
Reference for those percentages u stated?
Literally on the CDC website.
@brendanm: Obviously people should check these for themselves rather than taking the word of provocateurs on here and posting on Facebook and spreading mis-information.
Many people are selectively taking the low end of a few statistical ranges, omitting the other ones, and ignoring all other data available to suit a narrative. There are statistics for the US being thrown out, which are true based on the COVID deaths calculated against the population of the entire country. 210,000 deaths from COVID in the US, which has a population of 373000000. Do the math, calculate that percentage, and then see some of the percentages selectively being thrown around here.
Australia, a country with an effective testing mechanism, is reporting at about a 3% fatality rate against cases. Italy, a country badly hit before measures could be put in place, currently reports at 10% and that rate is reducing. Take those percentages at face value, even slash them in half if you are cynical. Based on the contagiousness of COVID-19 versus the common cold and the flu, also do the math on death toll estimates based on population figures.
I realise that the motivation many people have to post here is just to argue and I expect abuse etc. But I urge people to just look up this publicly available information for themselves rather than taking my word for it, or the word of contrarian trolls.
As I said, the CDC……
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena…
Look at 'infection fatality ratio' Under 'scenario #5 Current best estimate'
I am still wondering where that Russian vaccine is. Cases are still high in Russia and I thought they had the magic cure.