Came across this while browsing CPU prices. Seems like a really good price and looks like most stores have stock available.
Free pickup QLD/NSW or extra for delivery.
Intel Core i3 9100F Quad Core LGA1151 3.6GHz CPU Processor
Intel Core i3 9100F $95 Free Pickup or + Delivery @ Umart Online
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Oldgeezer on 21/07/2020 - 15:45 umart.com.au (1228 clicks)
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If they priced it at $80 USD or $120 here it'd be the death of the 9100F.
It would probably be the death of the 3600 too if the 3100 was priced so low.
They'd have to bring the 3300X down, then no one would buy the 3600, then they'd bring that price down, then no one would buy the 3700X. It'd be a disaster if they did that.
I think the 9100 is EOL as Centrecom have the regular 9100 (non F) on clearance
https://www.centrecom.com.au/intel-core-i3-9100-processor-6m…
Googled it and this too says end of life
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i3-9100-s-1151-co…
$100 more just for intel hd graphics….
wonder what's the non-clearance price
And because AMD has no real ECC support in practice in anything that is not Epyc.
i3 are the only avenue for small, cheap-ish server builds that benefits from ECC…unless you are happy to wind back the clock to Skylake era or so and fish in the used server parts market (admittedly, with a rather acceptable performance/efficiency loss).
Hmmm i thought i read/heard somewhere that amd supports ecc its just up to board maker to implement…. And intel doesnt have ecc support on their desktop cpus… Interesting
So did I (on AMD ECC support). And embarked on a three-month quest that ended up with the conclusion that AMD ECC support is, most often, true only on paper.
Most boards either do not support ECC or, worse, do not perform any ECC while flagging the ECC as enabled.The cheap Ryzens would have been amazing CPUs for what I wanted to do.
The lowest specced Epyc are amazing and surprisingly easy on the power bill…but then you would have to pay close to 1k for MB + CPU alone.While there are some reported successes, it is way too sketchy to actually trust it, especially when the idea is to actually not trust anything blindly.
Sadly there is no AM4 chipset that is considered "enterprise-grade", so this leaves you with consumer chipsets and no warranties, from MB makers that often have little experience in server designs.The i3 (and Pentiums, depending on the series) supports ECC. You just have to be prepared to spend a reasonable amount on a C2xx series chipset.
Should you NEED ECC support, do thorough researches as, if you NEED it, then you don't want to find out that there was actually no ECC being performed.
@stampella: AFAIK Intel has always supported ECC on Xeon/i3/Pentium only… no i5/i7/i9 has ever had it.
That applies equally to Sandy/Ivy/Haswell/Skylake as it does to the current 9/10 series.
Hence I am unable to pop a 3570k in my G8 microserver.@jkim: This seems to be the end of the line for i3 ECC support, the 10th Gen i3 version of this doesn't support ECC.
@[Deactivated]: Oh, you're right… and there's a huge unfilled gap between Pentium (2c/2t) and i3 (4c/8t) now. What are Intel doing?
@stampella: Their server chips are much better than Epyc from a pricing and segmentation perspective… but it's just disappointing that neither of them are covering this super-small enterprise market… although I guess it sort of makes sense since the super-small end of town is now converging to cloud services instead of running their own DC and servers.
The only people who lose out are the home enthusiasts building and running mini/micro servers at home. i.e. this is evident in the fact that the gen10 microserver doesn't even support ECC.
i3 has ECC support because some NAS vendors use i3 as the NAS CPU. However, if you go down the ECC path, you will probably want to use RAID for HDDs. My friend's RAID 5 setup didn't help him and the recovery after 1 HDD failed didn't work properly, resulting in 100% data lost. The whole RAID 5 had to be rebuilt.
As long as you don't depend solely on ECC and RAID (and think with those you don't need to do regular backups), it is fine. Even without ECC, if you use zip, rar or other compression software, they do perform checksum check and when you start having corrupted zip files, it points to bad RAM modules or faulty disks.
It's not Intel being nice. It's simply they use one CPU design for i3 and some of their customers (NAS makers) want that feature. It's okay for basic low end file server, but if I really want to build a proper server, I would go for Epyc. Apple abandoning Intel CPUs is a wake up call. Intel is milking customers with minor refreshes for years.
RAID yes, but 10 for me.
And RAID-5 is pretty meh with the disk sizes we have nowadays. If I plan to go deep into syphilis infested waters (drive loss) and stay there long enough (4TB or more), I would use not just one condom (RAID-5), but at least two (RAID-6) if not more. Man…I should apply for a job in a Linux ISO streaming site…You don't even need to use zipping tools to have a checksum in action. There is lots of checksumming going on in any standard operation, like transferring files over a network or whatever (CRC).
In a home-lab scenario, I see a single use for ECC, and that is with ZFS. And I don't even want to start the argument of the value (or lack thereof) of ECC with ZFS…let's leave it at that: with ZFS, I prefer ECC where possible.
Never said that Intel is nice. For me, it is likely run by Mom from Futurama.
But could say the same about AMD or any successful for-profit business venture. Very few groups are in there for the pure joy of selflessly pushing the human race forward. I mean, if I am in a market where I can milk the consumers, the first R&D I would invest on would be a process to convert blood to milk.The problem is that AMD had no real interest in creating anything below the Enterprise threshold with validated ECC support. With Intel losing ground and AMD offering better value/performance/efficiency we could as well see NAS makers shift to AMD, thus creating a reason for this market to exist.
And I would have loved to have an Epyc build (Ah!), but still somewhat enjoy to sleep in the bed and the wife would have denied that if I would have spent a cent more on it. And honestly, it was an unjustifiable expense, as it is only a NAS (with no transcoding) and firewall.
Would I love to build the equivalent of the Los Alamos lab in my living room? Hell, yes! Can I afford it and justify the expense? Sadly not.Also, it is important to note that Apple is not just abandoning Intel. It is moving away from x86-64/CISC. That is the real news.
But honestly expected…researchers are blabbing about a possible shift to ARM or other RISC archs for the ENTIRE CPU MARKET from ages now.
And once you start doing some microcontroller programming in power-restricted settings you start to realize why is that…Anyway, enough from me. Sorry all for the essay, but my wife is not very engaged when I talk about this stuff and my cat doesn't appear to care much either.
AMD don't play in bottom market now
Decent CPU for a tight budget computer. If 3100 is priced at 160 or lower, it's better on Price Performance. (OC avaible)
9100F: A$ 95/6846=0.0139 A$/mark
3100: A$ 160/11729=0.0136 A$/mark
3100: A$ 169/11729=0.0144 A$/mark
But prefer waiting for the zen3 Ryzen 4600.
Reference: [Price/Mark] (https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html)In games the difference between the 3100 and 9100f didn't seem to be much (at base clock) from the reviews and videos Ive read/watched
Tempting, but with no upgrade path with this cpu, 1151pin probably better off getting a ryzen with a b450mb which will be capable of being upgraded to next gen with a bios update.
This is a good mid range gaming cpu because of the single core speed. Holds its own very well with a decent gpu.
Better of investing in a pc second components on eBay if you go down this path..
But entirely depends on the individual, and their needs.But me personally if I wanted performance and wanted a cheap system, I'd look at some old xeons on eBay with 16 cores for like $50 depending on the season with DDR 3, and nice gpu.
It's what you do with the hardware not what you pay.
Fine as long as you don't care about it:
chugging power;
destroying your eardrums.I would draw the line to DDR4 enabled platforms. We already had a full enterprise refresh cycle with DDR4, so there are systems to be found for cheap enough and you get reasonable value for your power input.
In that case, we agree that for value/$ a lot better can be done by the discerning purchasers on eBay.And yes, both issues can be mitigated/circumvented on an old platform…but I don't see the long-term benefits in most setups.
Still going strong With ddr3, so your rants cute.
RX Vega 8 on 3200g is pretty good for $159. However the 9100F for $95, paired with R7 240 2GB from Umart for $59, you get more bang for your buck!
The R7 240 is worse in every aspect…
You're right, had the results mixed up. :/
kinda sad these are still relevant because amd are pricing the 3100 so high