Greetings everyone, seems like the price on this drive has dropped to a great price :)
$25.88 per TB, don't forget to stack with cashback.
As always, enjoy!
CamelCamelCamel.
that means?
It's the colour of the label?
People often take desktop hard drives apart (aka shucking) to install in their computers or NAS devices.
as far as I know these HDDs has to be somehow tweaked before that can be put into PCs? like covering some of its plug points?
@HD9990: you can either put tape over one of the pins or use sata to molex
https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Fix-the-33V-Pin-Issu…
@Levi: Depends which drive you land..
EMFZ = pin mod (cover 3rd pin or SATA/Molex),
EMAZ no pin mod required.
This is for PC setting only, NAS drives seem immune as they dont apply a 3.3v across the pin in question.
@BargainKen: I have EMAZ that definitely needed the pin mod. I usually just use molex connectors, but I have had to tape the last EMAZ I got.
@HD9990: You need to cover a certain pin with tape for these to be put in computers. NAS do not require you to do that or at least the ones most people are using around here don't. Without googling it's like a 3 V power cut off or something
Helium filled (lower noise, lower temps, longer durability. Same drive as the 14TB but firmware locked. 256MB cache.
If anyone finds a working firmware hack you could get this to 14TB.
Man that sounds appealing, working firmware?
I am keen in this… firmware hack upgrade
Any info on this?
I'm interested just to read about it, why would they label a 14TB drive as a 12TB one?
@Jarr0d: To cut production costs, then sell the 12tb at a moderate margin and the 14tb at a bigger margin would be my guess
@Jarr0d: Whilst totally speculative, I'd also consider whether this is similar to CPU binning potentially whereby drives which don't necessarily meet the standards/specifications of the higher tier drive, they can disable certain sectors/features/etc through firmware and still deliver a lower capacity drive.
Great, now I have to overclock my HDDs as well?
Racist, black drives matter :)
All drives matter including ODD
ODD started the fire!, the world's been burning since drives been turning.
Hard drives is one instance where the black label version is better and more premium than the white label version.
once you go black…
thats the model that means they're low performance SMR platters right?
No, I understand it is the smaller capacity WD HDDs that use SMR. See source.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-lists-all-drives-slower…
Correct - These are not SMR drives
These are 5400rpm PMR drives.
Yep - Have purchased 2 of these over the past couple of months and they have both been WD120EMFZ
In my experience the My Book drives are the Reds.
The 12tb WD elements I shucked a week ago was WD120EMAZ.
my last 3 were also WD120EMAZ
I've had one EMAZ and one EMFZ from my two separate orders of WD Elements 12TB drives. Oddly enough the EMFZ performs slightly better in CrystalDiskMark.
The ones I bought last month were all WD120EMFZ. These have 512MB cache, whereas the EMAZ's had only 256MB.
Thanks O.P.. placed the 10TB one from UK but still on pending. So cancelled that one and getting this one.
same here … bought 2 instead…
My 10TB from that deal arrived yesterday and is a white
Mine arrived last Sunday at 6pm. DHL van pulled up in the driveway while I was washing the car. Anyway it was a white label EMAZ drive in there
Thank you. Bought 2 to replace my dying drives. Max order qty:2 for anyone who’s looking to get more than that.
How do these compare to WD Reds? Currently using 8TB reds in my synology with no difficulty direct streaming 4k through nvidia shield. Need to replace drives thoughas running out of space. Would 4k content still be watchable?
Yes absolutely - The drive wont really be the factor for streaming/transcoding it will be the hardware you are running them off ie how powerful your NAS is.
I've got 2 of these shucked in my Synology and they run great - Plex is a treat.
Also these are WD whites inside, which are widely reported as basically being re-labelled reds.
This is black
damn, just bought 1 at $352!
Price guarantee on cc?
From amazon? The CS is good, just ask for a refund or credit.
from experience you can either cancel (assuming the order hasnt shipped) or they will give you a $20 credit. Obviously differs on who you speak to but thats the experience i have had.
Where do you contact CS for that? I don't see any button on the order to send message…
Are you sure it wasn't before https://www.get.com/blog/amazon-says-no-more-price-matching-…
I spoke to customer service and they're issuing me a refund of $42! that's good customer service!
How long ago did you order it?
@Axelstrife: I'm not sure about 1 month, but I've done it to a 2-week old order and they gave me credit difference for it.
Same here. Twice in fact :(
Just got the alert on camelcamelcamel - Pretty sure this is the lowest they have ever been. Price for storage really is dropping and dropping fast, just over $300 for 12TB is incredible. I'd jump on this but i really dont need the extra space just yet :P
So, what's the consensus here: are they Helium Filled or Air filled drives? There is a huge difference in operating temperature between the two!
Check out the thermal image of air-filled WD drive on this page:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/gqcpjb/shucked…
I currently have 3x8TBm, Helium filled, shucked WDC WD80EMAZ-00WJTA0 drives in my FreeNAS server and they're fabulous!
I would never, ever put any air filled HDD in my NAS.
These are helium filled drives
I ordered 2. Is there a way to tell which one Helium filled and which is air filled? I could not find any information when i searched for the model number WDBWLG0120HBK-NESN.
Is there a way to tell which one Helium filled and which is air filled?
Air-filled drive has a breathing hole, helium-filled one don't.
If it says “do not cover this hole” on the label then that’s an air filled drive.
The operating temperature doesn't matter as long as it stays within its rated range - generally fine upto about 50c for a modern hard drive.
There's no reason to avoid air filled drives unless your NAS' cooling is broken !
Then the priority should actually be "fixing NAS cooling", not shelling on helium drives.
I will be happy if I receive He drives as these should use slightly less power (and every W counts on OzBargain) and are generally more silent at the same RPM.
I will be happy if I receive air drives, as I don't have that little worm in my brain that whispers at night something along the line of "no real statistics exists on long term lifetime for He drives and He leakage rates".
In the end, as long as I receive these and the drives are fine, I will be happy.
Interestingly my 14TB WD drives actually have a SMART data field "Helium Containment Status" - which implies there is some sort of monitoring going on.
Mine currently read Threshold 25, Value 100, Status OK but there's not much information out there on how to read these figures.
As long as it doesn’t die then helium or air is fine by me.
I bought this for $352 a couple of days ago. Luckily it hadn't been shipped yet and only took a few seconds for the cancellation to be approved. Ordered this one and saved an extra $42 PLUS got a bit extra on cashback. Win!
I noticed the 14TB is due to drop in price again any minute (now that it's back in stock) and if the cancellation had've taken a day or so I was looking at picking that one up instead. As it is, this will do just fine.
Is it just the one 12tb drive inside?
Yep
1 drive
Thanks gents!
Thanks.
Bought another (paid $357 for last one though)
Going to consolidate old smaller HDD's im currently using for plex, going from 6 HDD's to three 10tb, 2x 12tb's.
Grabbed one to use externally as a backup drive (using 3x 8TB white emaz in a new NAS/VM server & have a 4 bay Readynas full of CMR 4TB drives, so this will be the backup of the backup to replace an almost full 6TB).
does this qualify for any of the cashback options? couldnt see anything for computers or data storage
5% Cashrewards
And bonus $3
how? I think mine didn't even work, I didn't get any notification :(
@jace88: Yeah I missed it unfortunately but I also didn't get a CR notification so I will have to manually contact them in a few days I think.
Ah I see it falls under electronics, cool beans. thanks bud
Doesn't it fall under PC? I do wish it was a bit clearer/accurate
6% shopback
Didn't get a cash rewards notification, anyone else had any issues with CR approval?
Same here
I got mine this morning, 12hrs later.
Same, shopped via shopbsck and still haven't got it. Order was placed 7pm yesterday…
I don't have NAS server, what if I connect it to the USB port of modem router. Will I be able to use it over the network this way? What are the disadvantages of doing this? TIA.
some have a size limit and some don't like ntfs it depends on the modem router
Bought two. Will replace my 2x4TB in my Synology with these.
New drives:
I hate myself. 54TB of raw storage lol.
That’s a lot of Linux ISO’s.
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According to r/datahoarder these are possibly White Label Model: WD120EMFZ