Other than those living in those lockdown postcodes, where do you guys plan to go during this school holiday? Keen to have an idea for my family holiday as it's been long overdue.
School holiday destination for Victorians during current travel restrictions?
Lmamalove on 30/06/2020 - 17:42
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Staying safe and keeping others safe is a priority.
Not going away on holiday for x months is a 1st world privilege problem.
Stay home and be happy you got your health, food and a home.
"Keen to have an idea for my family holiday as it's been long overdue"
No problems Karen, that seems fair that you're due to have a holiday while the world is trying to deal with a pandemic.
Stay the F home.Stay home you're in a pandemic, Stuff like this is why COVID is so bad in your state.
I know it sucks, but literally if everyone stays home for a month you'll knock it on the head.
Seriously, the number of 'family groups' gathering at holiday homes during these school holidays is scary.
They are obviously extended families (at best), and plenty of these groups are exceeding the current restriction levels (household / public place).
And with the extended bubble that those groups bring to an area, the risk of transmission into those areas increases.While I appreciate that you and your family have every right to do it, might I point out that we're in the middle of a pandemic. As others have suggested, stay home as it's the right thing to do at this stage. It's just a matter of a month or so and we'll get the numbers down, hopefully.
Set an example to your kids by showing patience, they'll thank you for the rest of their lives.
Stay calm and stay safe everyone. All the best!Great Ocean Road and Wilsons Prom are always great options, although keep your distance from others and stay away from crowded areas obviously.
Bro.. For the love of God.
This is why we cant have nice things
To the windoooow, To the waaaalls. To the sweat drip down my b…..
In all seriousness though…I'm staying at home. Safe for my family, safe for me and safe everyone else.
Why is there such a hotspot in victoria? I though initially so many tourists in those areas, but also in syd…
It has been very cold in Victoria.
They are testing a lot more than other states. Blitz testing people with mild and no symptoms, and going door to door in some suburbs. So they're finding more cases, mostly younger low risk people. These people now have to isolate before the virus spreads to vulnerable people.
Testing people without symptoms and isolating them has been championed as one of the best ways to eliminate the virus
Other states are not testing, having a laugh at Vic and are opening up and having fun. Expect this to change in a few weeks some cases are found and testing starts to increase and the true numbers are revealed.
so you're saying that the actual rate are prob same in NSW?
Without anyone testing people with mild to no symptoms in other states, no one would know. AFAIK, other states aren't actively testing people with mild to no symptoms.
Vic started the blitz testing because of a bungle up at a hotel and exposed a bunch of people who are infected but no symptoms
Who knows what's happening elsewhere.
Why is there such a hotspot in victoria?
AFAIK the theory is:
People working in quarantine hotels (probably untrained in biosafety procedures) picked up coronavirus unknowingly, and went home to homes with extended families living together. Then these family members went about their lives, maybe visited other families for some celebrations… nek minnit, you got an outbreak!
Please stay home, protect your family and protect others.
My family is staying home - I heard there's a pandemic
Stay home
A lot of commentary here that are obviously personal opinions.
Surely we should leave the 'what can I do / not do' up to the health professionals, who are advising the state governments, and just follow those protocols (at the very minimum).
A bit like the speed limit; those protocols are the maximum freedom that we have just now.And for a personal opinion, yes OP could take their family on a holiday in Victoria, but (if it were me) I would be concerned about the likelihood of my family contracting COVID-19 at the holiday location. That is not even caring about potentially sharing the virus with others.
For some. I feel for the people who are not in lockdown but are surrounded by locked down suburbs.
They're probably least likely to get it on holidays as you're not sharing the same supermarket.
Strong first post, dont freaking come to NSW you will get a 11k fine and up to 6 months prison, you will be spending your holiday in there.
That was in March. People in NSW are free to leave their homes now.
No, the newest order is from today, retrospectively applied to those who have been in hotspots.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/public-health-orders.aspx#:~:text=Public%20Health%20(COVID%2D19%20Interstate,they%20are%20a%20NSW%20resident
The link doesn't work on my mobile.
Op isn't coming from a hotspot.
yeh we know this, the OP lives in Victoria and is asking for holiday destinations, i said dont come to NSW, did you read the OP post at all?
We live in NSW and would love to have OP come here and spend some money. Bring a busload and help kick start the NSW's economy.
Pretty sure it only applies if you're caught travelling from a hotspot postcode, not all of VIC.
This might be the reason Victoria has an increased number of cases. People in general can be trusted to do the right things without being forced to.
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/explosive-ne…
your backyard. beer at home
Is it the numbers of cases only increase when they start testing again?
Snow is a great option. The recent outbreak in Beijing ocurred on ice - in the fish section of a market. The Wuhan outbreak also appears to have started on ice - fish section was right next to the exotic aninal section.
Peak winter, everywhere is great! Coronavirus survival times are way up in winter - worldwide.
Please do the right thing.
The moral proselytizing here just sickens me. What does "do the right thing" even mean? What is right and what is wrong? Who defines what is right and wrong? Is travelling far from home but not being close to anyone "bad", but staying near home and going to the supermarket every day "good"? It's just this sort of herd mentality and lack of common sense that's led to us dragging this thing out for longer than we should.
Here are the facts:-
1) In terms of transmission, the best thing you can do is avoid other people. Therefore, if you want a nice holiday, take a drive down the Great Ocean Road, pack a picnic basket and an esky full of drinks and stop by at the beaches when there's nobody there and go for a walk. Risk of infection? Practically zero since you don't come into contact with everyone.
2) In terms of transmission, the worst thing you can do is be in places where there are lots of people. Therefore, even though you might be staying in your local area, going to the supermarket is probably a bad idea. Better to get things home delivered, for example.
The lack of judgement (on behalf of both people and policy makers) just completely astounds me. If I just went for a long drive by myself to enjoy some classic Australian scenery and to listen to some music and chill out, everyone starts screaming bloody murder, but hey, it's alright if I went to the crowded local supermarket every day where there's hardly any distance between people and infections could easily spread?
The most frustrating thing about the way people (in general) have handled this entire thing is the tendency to see things in these black and white terms without any sort of judgement or common sense. Just looking at the media from all of the other states and the way they've criticised VIC as if 99.9999% of Victorians did anything different from them is just appalling. Once upon a time we were all in this together, but it just seems that the moment everyone has something to lose, it's just dog eat dog, every man for himself.
Stay home means stay home, not go out shopping. Contactless deliveries are a thing. The best way to avoid other people is stay home.
We're all in it together means we're in it with criminals and lowlifes too. That has always been the case. The phrase just means consider others.
Stay home means stay home, not go out shopping.
I agree, however, that is not what I am seeing. All major shopping centres are open, traffic in and out of shopping centres have been on the rise.
We're all in it together means we're in it with criminals and lowlifes too. That has always been the case. The phrase just means consider others.
So who is a criminal and who is a lowlife? In VIC, most of the recent outbreak is driven by the state's poor handling of returning international travellers. The security guards have largely become infected and created clusters with their friends and family who have then gone on to spread it to others (unknowingly).
Yes, there are inconsiderate people, however, the idea that somehow this is spread by "lowlives and criminals" is just not true. Outbreaks can happen at any time, anywhere, there are just lucky areas and unlucky areas.
So the people going shopping needlessly in hot spots aren't spreading it, and they're not lowlifes, and nor are the families having huge get togethers, but security guards are spreading it because of those horrible international travellers? Sorry, try again.
@syousef: You're taking a bizarre reading. There was no implication that international travellers are evil.
The outbreak appears to be a result of poor infection control practises in the quarantine hotels. Is it a lack of staff training? staff ignoring their training? travellers licking the faces of staff? Hotels re-using cutlery without washing it?
Who knows, but Hanlon's razor is probably relevant.
So the people going shopping needlessly in hot spots aren't spreading it, and they're not lowlifes, and nor are the families having huge get togethers, but security guards are spreading it because of those horrible international travellers? Sorry, try again.
That's not what's happening in VIC, seems that you're not from VIC and are not familiar with what's going on here (similar to most others who don't know the situation, but seem more than content to continue dunking on VIC). For the record, I'm from VIC.
The outbreak that we're seeing right now in Victoria is a direct result of security guards who got infected at the hotels quarantining returning international travelers. The word I'm getting from my friends in the know is that a security guard had slept with one of the returning travelers, got infected, then went and infected his family who then spread the virus around. Genomic analysis has largely traced this back to one "super-spreader" source.
So therefore, yes, it is actually the security guards at the quarantining hotels who have spread this (as a result of poor management from the VIC government) and, as a result, have caused the outbreak we're seeing right now. It is NOT because of "lowlives" who have done anything differently to anybody else.
So far, there is no statistical evidence to suggest that those who are in the areas currently locked down did anything differently from the rest of the state, and dare I say, the rest of the country. Therefore, your conclusion that this is somehow down to "lowlives" is simply untrue. People in VIC, including people in the current areas of outbreak, did nothing differently to people anywhere else in Australia and have now been punished (by quite literally everyone in Australia) for mistakes made by the state government.
The word I'm getting from my friends in the know is that a security guard had slept with one of the returning travelers, got infected, then went and infected his family who then spread the virus around.
We talking about this specific low life?
(From Vic) a lot of people have been doing the right thing. I wouldn't blame it on the government because knowing the security industry (friend used to be in corporate head office), it is dodgy as it gets. If you look at the quality of most security people you see at establishments, yes you can see it coming. I mean seriously how low does your brain count need to be to match your reproductive parts intelligence and sleep with a person potentially infected with COVID, the reason why they are in quarantine.
We talking about this specific low life?
In that case, yes - but to somehow blame the entirety of VIC is astounding to me. The current outbreak is highly localised and even just 5 - 10km away, there are no cases at all. My only fear is that we stoke this division and every week, there will be a new "public enemy".
I personally also think some of the rhetoric is unnecessarily cruel. For example, people from VIC hotspots who are flying into NSW could face up to 6 months jail time. I personally think this is insane. Sure, send them back at their own expense and give them a fine, but to put them in jail? Surely I'm not the only one who thinks that's absurd. You could quite literally kick someone's head into a gutter and get less jail time than that.
(From Vic) a lot of people have been doing the right thing.
I agree, I don't think that Victorians have done anything differently from people in any other state.
I wouldn't blame it on the government because knowing the security industry (friend used to be in corporate head office), it is dodgy as it gets. If you look at the quality of most security people you see at establishments, yes you can see it coming. I mean seriously how low does your brain count need to be to match your reproductive parts intelligence and sleep with a person potentially infected with COVID, the reason why they are in quarantine.
Ultimately I put it down to (1) the security guard being an idiot, but (2) a lack of management and oversight that allowed this to happen. My opinion is that the management of the lockdown sites should have been managed by the police, not by private security contractors. If you and I know the what they're like, you would think the state government also knows. The problem is that now nobody is taking responsibility.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/premier-s-team-t…
I know that there are issues within the police as well, but ultimately the police are public servants who are answerable to the public and an institution where there is oversight and authority. The problem with private security contractors is that they are not answerable to anybody, there is no proper management, no coordination and just an all-round mess. What the government is doing now (and I've been supportive of Andrews' policies) is completely avoiding any sort of accountability.
the tendency to see things in these black and white terms without any sort of judgement or common sense
In the age of Facebook, nuance is an endangered species.
be a man
Well said P1
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Don't be a selfish idiot. STAY HOME!!!
Stay in VIC….go to Mt Buller for skiing/camping!
Camping on Mt Buller in the middle of winter? Righto.
Stay home, not because you have to but because you should
stay the ****away from Sydney
100% agree, and Gladys should close the borders
Why do you guys keep bringing Corona to NSW?
So based on the majority of the comments, the consensus is that everyone in Australia should still stay home as there is a chance that this virus can still be spread no matter what state you are in.
The virus is still out there, and there is no cure/prevention yet, but there are geographical areas in Australia where the likelihood / risk of contracting it are reduced, based on the testing regime and results.
If we all follow the guidelines from our own state health advisers / governments, the risks will remain low.
But, those guidelines are the maximum, like speed limits, so you can always be more conservative.No. Just follow your state rules. Stay home if you live in hotspot and if you're not then enjoy the school holiday the way you want to.
"…the way you want to…" within the current restrictions
Of course. Stick the rules. No more, no less.
Yes you're going stir crazy, yes you are being locked down because a small minority couldn't quarantine themselves, yes unfortunately these are the consequences.
WA was barred from travelling outside our zone and look where we are today, it ensured further transmission didn't occur. Don't undo everyone else's sacrifice for the sake of a holiday.
You Victorians are always harping on how great your food and you coffees are.. prove it to us, by staying away from the rest of us! Just stay home, and focus on helping and contributing to getting your state To lower your infected numbers. Bottom line… STAY HOME!
Nah we're coming to Sydney because your harping on about how great your city is is finally getting through…
Give me your suburb and I'll personally pay a visit to see how good it is.Yeah, I hear great things about Sydney and how much better it is than Melbourne. I hear there's less COVID there too. From a council area with some active cases near some "hotspot" suburbs I think it would be a great place to get away.
No your not haha.
*you're
and we still have today and tomorrow. :D
Go to Byron Bay! That is where I am! I'm loving it! I have a bit of a cold though, might need to stop going to dinner every night and hitting the beers!
Time to hit the road back home jack lol. Border closing.
Been sick as a dog. Might hang around and keep socialising.
A holiday is the last thing to think about. There is too much risk. Getting bored at home is better than struggling for air in hospital
was replying to poster in Byron to get home ;)
Setup camp in back yard.
Border closed now lol. STFA.
People that are able to travel should leave VIC while they still can.
https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/nsws-border-with-victori…
NSW's border with Victoria will be closed from midnight on July 7
so
Just pointing out that the border is still open.
I think Vic should start a campaign to have elephant memories of states that are w###### and stay away from them when they are starving for economic dollars after the pandemic !
Anyway SA can enjoy the Covid 19 arrivals .
NSW has had enough of getting overburden with them and Qld BS of people not wanting to quarantine there because they have to pay is ridiculous and unfair to the overburden states . Perth can get some extra people of these special arrivals as well .Morrison get no blame as the cost would have been astronomical to keep them on the detention islands from the start .
Actually not from hindsight :)So ban the whole country that will work.
Its actually beyond me simple politics of doing a counter move to the QLD Premiers pay for your quarantine move for the other Premiers to match it . There is a lot of dumb Premiers out there with one for special mention with a huge lead Andrews .
So just in… VIC teenager tests positive for Covid.. visits Tathra, Merimbula etc.. thanks for bringing it to NSW…
I thought I read that yesterday.
Today: a Jetstar flight from Melb to Syd last night allowed all the passengers to off-board and depart without any health checks. And that is with the current border closure.NSW are pretty good at letting travellers off things. I'm sure it'll be right like the Ruby princess…
Vic plates everywhere on north coast nsw, counted 15 on my 15 min round trip to check the surf this morning.
Driving a vehicle with Vic plates in other states is still legal.
No kidding. Should be all sent back though. 3 cases in ACT today from Melbourne hotspots who arrived 6 days ago, first in a month. Wonder how they got there.
Plenty of businesses buy vehicles from QLD and VIC to use in NSW. All legal.
@[Deactivated]: It doesn't matter what they have on their roof racks. If they crossed the border legally then they have the right to stay.
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