Other than those living in those lockdown postcodes, where do you guys plan to go during this school holiday? Keen to have an idea for my family holiday as it's been long overdue.
School holiday destination for Victorians during current travel restrictions?
Lmamalove on 30/06/2020 - 17:42
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Second that advice.
Seconded that advice.
Or stay home. Give them a choice.
Third that.
Stay home!!!!!!!!
To support Nutrino's advice - https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid…
"but… it's just like the common flu"
Is there a lockdown in force in Victoria?
In certain post codes
Stay HOME
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Surely your kids can stay at home during the school holidays, so they don't become a statistic?
No, just stay away from the other states.
No, just stay safe and at home. There's no need to spread the virus within Victoria either.
Don't pretend you care about small business.
Ok champ,back to colesworth it is.
It's impossible to avoid being a statistic.
Yes, but we can avoid becoming part of the COVID-19 statistics if we do our part
You might be up on camping in your backyard
You can zoom some video of a beach
Dont come here
If only those travellers who live interstate hadn't come to Melbourne in the first place for quarantine and their place of residence had quarantined them instead. Who knew many of them were so desperate for intimacy…
Stupid point. They were forced to quarantine at their port of entry. It would be silly to force them to travel again possibly exposing them to more people on their way home to their home state.
Well they weren't even smart enough to keep it in their pants…
Yeah I'm planning to travel around victoria but any recommendations other than those snow mountains?
Recommendation 1: Don't be selfish. Please.
How is travelling in victoria is seen as selfish provided that we're not from the lockdown suburbs?
It isn’t. Vic isn’t in a statewide lockdown which means that the residents are free to leave their homes.
@Banana: People should be allowed to exercise their right to the freedom of movement as long as it doesn’t violate any health safety orders.
@whooah1979: Well that did not age well. This is precisely why you need to consider "You could, but should you?" This family was asymptotic.
https://www.standard.net.au/story/6822373/family-holidaying-…
@whooah1979: Yes some people die as a result of that, could be arseholes, could be those related to us..
to quote Dr Malcolm: Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
There's no guarantee that your suburb is completely safe. Why not just wait until we don't have new cases?
@whooah1979: Sure, but right now we have a huge wave of new infections. I don't see the point in risking your family's health to go on a holiday. It's common sense if a disease is going around through community transmission to just stay home and keep your family safe because as you say, there is no cure. Also common sense to not try to spread the disease to other regions in Victoria.
@shazzadabazza: How long should this common sense be practised? 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months or until March 1 2021?
The reality is that the world doesn't stop because there is a pandemic. People still have to pay the bills and put food on the table. People that depend on tourists should be allowed to make money during this school holidays.
@whooah1979: And the people who depend on tourists also shouldn't have to deal with the virus infiltrating their communities. If they catch the virus and transmit it in their community, they still can't pay the bills or put food on the table.
Everyone wants a break, we're all tired of this but because of the selfishness of the few, we've all got to suffer again. So maybe it should be less "what about my holiday" and more "maybe we should wait for new cases to return to 0 for a decent period before we plan a holiday". It's not impossible but that depends on how selfish you want to be, I guess.
@shazzadabazza: Being open for business is their right just as being able to travel is the travellers right.
@gromit: Freedom of movement is a right.
http://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/freed…
Article 12
ICCPR Article 12 states:
Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
@shazzadabazza: Have you ever heard the phrase "don't throw stones in glass houses"?
I'm starting to get sick of the holier-than-thou brigade. Do you drive a car? Then you contribute to the 2000 Australians killed every year by the air pollution they generate.
I fully support discouraging risky behaviour, but the insufferable judgement is just hypocritical at best.
@gimme: Do you remember SARS? It has been more than 16 years since the first cases. There is no vaccine but doesn't stop people from living their lives doing normal things.
How about the seasonal flu? Half a million people die every year of this disease that is so boring that it barely get a mention in the news.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus…Staying inside for two weeks isn't going to eradicate this virus from Wuhan.
@whooah1979: Lol i was going to engage then realised the site you linked is an agenda 'article' so pass
@gimme: Don't worry. I found another one. These guys are definitely trustworthy.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2017/flu/en/
- SARS has been contained. We are not in the middle of an active SARS pandemic
- Does the seasonal flu bring Houston to 97% ICU capacity every flu season?
Your comparisons are completely incorrect.
@shazzadabazza: While I do somewhat agree with the principle that just because it's not illegal doesn't mean you should do it, so many people here are just being absurdly hysterical…
There's no rational reason why a family who exhibits no symptoms and is not in an area with significant levels of the virus poses the extreme risk so many of you are implying. In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're no more likely to spread the virus if they temporarily go to another town as they would be to spread it around their home area.
Get a grip.
@callum9999: This was Victoria's view with the borders, they "had" it under control and states such as WA that were barring people from coming in were treated as the villians in this situation. 3 weeks later and Victoria didn't really have it under control, with unknown community infections travelling to smaller regional towns would just accelerate the spread.
People can and are asymptomatic, it's been observed in kids, teenagers and even older people. There's no guarantee you aren't infected. This view i feel is of arrogance and similar to that which resulted in America being in the situation it is today.
@Drakesy: No, the American situation was not remotely caused by asymptomatic people from areas with no recorded Covid going on a socially distanced holiday.
@callum9999: Yes you're right, it was caused by a combination of arrogant people who's liberties were being constrained and asymptomatic people travelling across state borders. America is in the state because of the attitude of 50% of the population, Australian's have done well because we, as a country understand the benefit of working together. America does not.
@Drakesy: Wrong again. It was caused by people gathering in large groups without social distancing, mixing with lots of people and not using PPE. None of which is being proposed as an option here.
I have absolutely no idea why you are pretending it's a remotely similar scenario to an asymptomatic family from an area not affected by Covid going on holiday while taking the same precautions they would be at home (and as actively encouraged by the government), other than wanting to act holier-than-thou? Or are you, for some unknown reason, confusing me with someone calling for an end to restrictions?
Backyard
- Fill up the car
- Go to Kathmandu/BCF and stock up
- Weekend getaway, no airports, no airplanes, no public transport, no cram packed Westfields
- Turn off the mobile phone for a day or two
Enjoy
If you are suggesting going camping, it's Victoria and winter. No thanks.
Pfft. You haven't camped until you've camped in the Vic High Country during winter. I have, it was great.
Most of us don’t have the right kit.
Edit dupe
VIC is getting out of control, what was it for today? Yesterday was 64 cases or thereabouts, if restrictions are not put in place, it will get a lot worse and spread into other states, which may also cause further deaths that would not have happened..
We’ve locked down the hot spot suburbs again. We have stayed at only 20 people in a restaurant for the other suburbs. We’ve only had 1or 2 additional deaths in the last few weeks. We aren’t happy but we aren’t Brazil or the US at the moment. What this does show is people are selfish and not bright. When restrictions eased people had large family gatherings, labour hire companies don’t enforce rules and ignore warning signs as “rumours” and young people think that if they get a dose it will be mild so who cares. We are, also, refusing to take anymore International travellers so that will stop the hotel personnel problem.. Unfortunately this thing ramps up quickly and tails off slowly. It is frustrating as we almost got there. We will get it down again, it is just going to take time and a lot of work.
What this does show is people are selfish and not bright
Those people would say otherwise. But in general you are right. People over estimate their low risk status and also their IQ. I also dislike when people put things down to bad luck when the problem has their dirty finger marks all over it.
People on here are very quick to accuse other people of being selfish, based only on vague pronouncements.
I'm curious, would you say the same to anyone who drives a (non-electric) car, given almost 2000 people a year die from exposure to those fumes?
While I'm fully in favour of criticising behaviour (i.e. don't have large gatherings etc.), the moral pronouncements always seem highly hypocritical given the people making them are invariably "selfish" themselves in many aspects of their own lives. Stones in glasshouses come to mind…
This is a facile comparison. The fumes from one car can't infect the entire planet whereas coronavirus started with a single person getting infected.
@BinaryPirate: It's not, because I'm not comparing the relative spread or severity…
If you drive a fossil fueled car through a city, it's an irrefutable fact that you're contributing to the early death of someone living there. It's irrelevant that it's not affecting the whole planet (though it actually is given its impact on global warming) - it's an act that is knowingly causing harm to others for their own convenience.
How can that not be classified as selfish? As I said, criticise the behaviour all you want (in fact, we all need to be doing it to encourage "good behaviour"), but if you're going to start making moral pronouncements about how evil other people are, get your own house in order first.
@callum9999: You did compare the severity and spread by responding to commentary on restricting the spread with the question "Would say the same thing to don't who drives a car".
The 'same thing' in this instance is calling people selfish for not adhering to techniques for stopping the spread of coronavirus.
Second, it's well known the damage caused by vehicle emissions. We accept that we need to be a little selfish because vehicles are an integral part of how we survive in this century, irrespective of whether it's combustion engine, electric cars, bikes, horses, donkeys, etc…
We would all very much like to drive vehicles with no side effects. However, since that's not possible, we do what we can.Conversely, there is no human survival imperative to spread the coronavirus.
In short, people who put their own wants above the safety of others are unfeasibly selfish in ways BMW drivers have yet to imagine.
Sydney, NSW borders are still open and should be less cold this time of year.
Scomo is also encouraging interstate travel.Tourist money is always welcome.
what no one likes Sydney this time of the year or Scomo?
Mr Scomo can make all the 'encouraging' statements he wants to, but he cannot change the fact that the state premiers are in control in regard to COVID-19 restrictions, which includes state border control decisions.
Can still travel to Sydney unless you're in one of those postcodes. Also stay away from public events.
As a resident from a rural area that doesn’t currently have any active cases and who is a pregnant frontline health worker, please reconsider your decision to travel to anywhere in Victoria/NSW at this time.
While you may not have any symptoms, and may not live in a ‘hotspot’, our businesses and economies will survive for the time being.Yep, and I took another recently. I also take precautions and limit my interactions to a small handful of friends, don't have kids, don't take public transport, wash my hands as recommended, in public act like I or everyone I see has COVID19, have masks on hand, use sanitiser and don't go out if I have the slightest symptoms.
Also, I am not guided by internet or media hysteria. It's for the reasons above and the extremely low prevalence of COVID19 that I am currently and will continue to visit regional areas of Victoria. Until there is a public health direction not to.
@Hardlyworkin: So I guess you don’t live in the ten postcodes where there’s a public health order to stay home unless for essential reasons like work/school and grocery shopping
@kerfuffle: I don't though I am expecting for the rest of Melbourne or Victoria to head that way in the coming week or so.
@Hardlyworkin: Keep up your good work and contributions on keeping Victoria in lockdown for longer. Just what the small business' need in the long run.
@Ughhh: Small businesses need cashflow. School holidays is the perfect time for people that don’t live in hotspots to go out and spend money on these businesses.
Byron Bay
I know people traveling and it’s very selfish IMO. I judge them completely for it and am reconsidering how I interact with them in the future.
Don’t do it.Stay home.
What ScoMo? Yeah that was a big mistake.
I would dispute the second statement and let’s see how he handles the economic fallout from this before we look at his long term popularity ratings. Dan is leading the lockdowns and ScoMo is championing the open up. Let’s see what ScoMo’s popularity ratings are like if COVID starts spreading in other states. This is a setback, for Victoria, but I believe in the long game.
You mean ScoMo, the man who owes all of his good policy's to Labor, while running off to Hawaii while our country burns down?
Yeah nice M8
ScoMo has a high approval rating? Australia is miles ahead of most of the world? In what metric?
You Victorians are always going on about how great your state is… And how much better your food & coffee is.. So why not stay in Victoria. It's your state's selfishness that has caused this problem in Australia.
Troll from Sydney?
You had me until that last sentence
Something something, Ruby Princess.
More like those absolute damn idiots who live in other cities, who were quarantined in Melbourne because Sydney, I mean the other cities were too selfish to take them back (this is after being stupid and letting the Ruby Princess dock in the first place), and on top of that they couldn't keep it in their pants.
i hear your backyard is lovely this time of year!
seriously though, i hope this is a troll post. STAY THE EFF HOME
Nah, I would camp indoors. It is freezing outside.
easy solved - set up the tent in your loungeroom, open up youtube, and full-screen it on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsOUv9EzKsg
then all you need is that annoying friend who brings a guitar and is pretty sure he remembers how to play Wonderwall
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Stay in Victoria.