Decent price for 10TB. White labelled Red inside, not SMR. May require tape mod.
Price match of the Seagate equivalent: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/542507
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12tb for $56 more, if you want more capacity
Great
Any thoughts on whether either of the potential drives inside is a bad choice for a NAS?
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/i-just-shucked-3-12tb-drives-b…
it's called raId for a reason… the idea behind it was to use consumer drives, with redundancy for failure… in a raid 6 configuration with backups you have nothing to lose.
Cheap! Handy for those who have now got 1gps NBN! 🤭
My tears of jealousy are falling at a mere 250Mb per second.
My tears of jealousy are falling at a mere 100Mb per second.
my tears of jealousy are curr [buffering …]
Amazon have already charged me for the seagate even though it hasn’t been shipped yet. Would have picked this one up
I am still deciding between this and Seagate. Why is this better?
The WD is the equivalent of a WD Red NAS drive.
The Seagate is a Barracuda Pro which is not a NAS drive.
So if it is for a NAS the WD is the better choice, I believe.
The Seagate Pro would be better as it is 7200rpm compared to WD 5400rpm
@congo: Don't necessarily want 7200RPM in a NAS. Higher RPM running 24/7 = More heat and Higher chance of failure.
@patrioticpickle: But it only spins when you actively use it?
Most of the time (while not home) the NAS would be dormant?
@patrioticpickle: A NAS doesn't spend 24/7 spinning at top speed, that like saying don't buy a fast car because you don't want it running at 300km/h 24/7.
@patrioticpickle: depends if you want performance out of your NAS or not … given many enterprise NAS drives are 7200 or even 10000 RPM, the RPM rating has no correlation with higher chance of failure.
@wellzi: At 7200RPM it's spinning at 33.33% faster than a 5400rpm drive . That has to have an effect on how fast it wears out and the amount of heat produced due to the amount of energy required to keep it at that speed .
@troyww: ahaha mate my comment was directed to congo and I was trying to make the point of "since when does faster mean better?" … I would tend to agree with you; that faster RPM may contradict the point of a NAS where you're seeking for longevity and reliability. :)
@Dropbear67: Performance would be negligible in a NAS array. All would max out on a 1Gbps unless you had 10Gbps. I otherwise agree!! :)
@congo: I’ve made this costly mistake before. 7200rpm was too noisy in my Synology with a constant humming sound.
Stick with 5400.
@Evostar: Even 8 x 5400rpm drives is annoyingly loud!! lol
I would love silent but the only way to achieve that would be to run flash - and phuck dat.
@wellzi: I only have a 2 Bay 918 and they were annoyingly loud. pretty sure the heat was pretty up too.
I went with the 10GB helium reds in the end, which only make noise when seeking.
@Evostar: I'm not sure if mine are helium or not. I have WD80EFAX from M/F 2019. Still make a bunch of noise and they're seeking all the time because I share Linux ISOs with family.
@congo: The WD 5400rpm disks already write at over 100MB/s (up to 200MB/s depending on which part of the disk you're writing to). Plenty fast enough to saturate a 1Gbps connection that most people are using for their NAS.
@congo: @congo
"The Seagate Pro would be better as it is 7200rpm compared to WD 5400rpm"
This is a fallacy. If used in a NAS running 24x7 you will go through drives like this like potato chips in a short period of time… The WD drive in this unit is a much better and safer proposition as it is a white label equivalent of a WD Red HDD which are designed for 24x7 operation.
Any other situation such as a desktop PC, in the case of a Seagate Pro.. go for it :)
Initiate a chat session with them.
I've managed to get some credits on the item that I paid higher a few days ago. Deepends on who you get, they'll be able to credit back the differences or in my case top me up with the $10 dollars promotional code.
Amazon have already charged me for the seagate even though it hasn’t been shipped yet.
Amazon never charge until any item has been shipped, you're either mistaken or making that up.
Actually they put orders into a 'you can't cancel now' state well before they ship them. I've personally seen over a day before.
I must be a liar too because the same has happened to me with the same deal.
Lol not sure how I could be mistaken when I see the debit on my account dated 5/6. No shipped email and the status of my order hasn’t been marked as shipped yet either.
For those not in dire need, it may be worth waiting. These were $263 9 months ago when the AUD was slightly weaker than it is today. I think there's another $30 to come off these drives in the not too distant future.
My trigger point is $27.50 / TB which means the following:
12TB - $330
10TB - $275
Whichever comes first (I think it'll be the 12TB)
But this deal is a decent price if you need something today.
yes,, waiting for 2nd HDD to reduce back, 1st purchase was 9Aug2019 , for $262.50..
What happens next with the AUD will tell the story. It's gone into a V shape recovery. Some are suggesting it could approach $0.75 soon, others are saying it could drop back to $0.65. I think we'll settle in the 67-70c range. That supports a $27.50/TB deal.
Yeah I’ll wait for the 12tb. Want to replace all my 4tb with 12tb array.
Yeah I remember $25/TB
That’s amazing
And the AUD was only 1.5c stronger (71c) then than it is today so something isn't right with the current prices.
Price match with office works will get you close. $281.10. I did this last time for the 10TB and hit the $275. However not showing in stock at Amazon currently.
Really? Model number is different (even though it’s obviously going to be the same drive).
yeah a sale price on these would be us$159, they`re currently us$184
SMR?
No
I regret purchasing my 10tb one for like $300+ from a user on OzB a few months ago. It died a few months in and I need purchase proof to request a replacement apparently :'(
If you are on OzBargain then you would know they are around $300 for 10 TB NEW
Why would you buy seconds for similar price?
never buy 2nd hand hard drives
especially at that price
Have you asked the person if they can provide the original receipt? They may be happy to do so?
Solid deal, definitely purchase this over the Seagate for the brand alone. Not saying I wouldn't buy Seagate, just that WD is considered better.
I think the WD brand has taken a pretty big hit over the SMR fiasco .
Now facing a number of lawsuits that they have a good chance of losing .
Oh yeah that just happened. I've been told that Seagate drives are unreliable, but as to the validity of this I'm not sure.
I always only really ever used WD and only remember one seagate which died. I recently got an 8TB Seagate Barricuda and was worried about the supposed failure rates with Seagates. When putting my new drive in the cage I saw that my most reliable oldest drive in there was a seagate not WD. I don't know why I thought that one was WD.
Turns out the dead drive I packed away was a WD not seagate. So reading and hearing the Seagate/WD thing all the time got into my head. WD is considered more reliable long term but seagates read/writes are faster which is why the seemingly fail more. Thing is, it's not guaranteed either way and technology is always improving and changing. It's just that the old mythos/reputations surrounding things tend to linger.
@Freezies: All hard drives can fail. I’ve had a hgst fail in the first 6 months when everyone said they were the best. I just formatted my 8 bay nas to btfrs from ext4 and had 3 wd red died 1 after another after the rebuild. I think they’re probably have the same failure rates as one another.
@kaal: Means nothing but my experience with HGST has been perfect .
I've had times where there have been a number of different drives in a case and the drive that lives the longest is that the quietest coolest drive outlives the rest . Obviously that drive isn't the fastest but reliability to me in a NAS is more important , And dinosaur drives for the average user are just for storage .
@troyww: I'm not trying to shit on HGST, just saying every HDD can fail regardless of their reputation. I prefer slower RPM drive myself as they're mainly just for storage purpose.
@kaal: Totally agree with you . I got the 7200RPM HGST drive as it was very cheap at the time and I my had reservations (still do ) about a 7200rpm drive . It did have a 5Yr Warranty and a pretty good statistical rep with black blaze .
Saying that I had a couple of death stars in the day and they both failed with the click of death that almost everyone else had . Funnily enough IBM's hard drive division was bought by Hitachi (HGST).
I just bought four of the 12TB ones about a month ago and they didn't need the 3.3v mod.
WD 12TB from amazon?
Yes, WD Elements 12TB from Amazon US.
I didn’t have to do any mods on my shucked 10TB WD either.
Currently working great inside my system.
Could be the HDD, could be your setup. If you aren't supplying the drive 3.3V, then won't be an issue either way. Definitely PSU's that don't use the 3.3V/orange wire, especially when molex and SATA share the same wires. Also if you are running a SAS backplane or a molex adapter.
^ Exactly.
Depends on the PSU.
Your patience is rewarded!
Are these usable for expanding game storage for XB/PS ?
Yes, if used externally via USB.
Damn, can only buy 3 max.
Use a friends account and transfer money?
I 'need' 8 :)
Thanks. Bought 2, now waiting for the Synology 920+ to launch in Australia.
why? Save yourself some money and get the 918+, specs haven't changed much.
Anecdotal evidence, but these hard drives don't seem to be the same, or of the same quality as WD red's to me. This is just based on how significantly nosier the 10tb WD white labels are compared to my 10tb WD red.
Or maybe there's a setting that I don't know about
I got an 8Tb drive ages ago in one of the sales… the white label inside was actually a WD/HGST Ultrastar (not the Red model). Mine was a bit noisier than my old WD Reds.
The noise could be a helium vs air drive thing, rather than a red vs not thing
I noticed that as well. Got the 10tb helium last time.
Can tell that It’s nosier than the reds.
Wish there was a 5tb option
Nah, go 10TB. Its future proof.
Presumably he's talking about 2.5" HDD. Not sure why you got negged though. OzB is a funny place.
Oh…must have misunderstood.
Damnit my ssd died all of a sudden ….with my active windows 10pro with it😱
windows 10 license is tied to your motherboard, if you replace your ssd and install windows again, it should stay activated.
Thanks will give it a go
I would like to give you another vote lol it works!
Thanks dude!
Should I assume there's no warranty with these? Will Amazon cover DOA?
Assume no Warranty with Amazon? What kind of crazy world have you grown up in?
Of course it has warranty.
You reply came across a bit condescending. This item is being sold by Amazon US.. their page specifies - “Manufacturer warranties may not apply in Australia..”. As the item in question is being sold by Amazon US, ACL would not apply… Have you had other experiences outside their terms and conditions that you’d wish to share?
Thanks, I've been waiting!