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Free 2020 Calendar Delivered @ Doctors Without Borders

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Complete your details below and we'll send you a free 2020 calendar. Featuring inspiring imagery from our work around the world, we hope you see the calendar as a reminder of the millions of patients we treat each year, thanks to the generosity of our supporters.

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  • +7

    Free - expect to be phone bombed for years.

    • +2

      No phone number required to get the calendar
      but see my comment below

    • +1

      expect to be phone bombed for years

      Good. They can talk to Lenny if they don't stop calling.

  • +36

    This puts you on a mailing list and also a door knock list
    I got the cal last year and they knocked on my door at least 6 times in 2019 and every time they were like
    "we got your details from our mailing list and thought you would like to help in XXX Campaign"

    • +6

      Get it sent to your office.
      I donate every year and hate door knockers.

      • My office is my home :(
        But very good idea :)

      • +9

        Get it delivered to your PO box 😂

        • Just did 😁

        • +4

          Get it delivered to those neighbours you don't like…

    • +9

      So did you help out with the XXX?

    • Omg is there any way to cancel the calendar or get off the door knock list now?

      • +14

        Your only choice is to move out and change name. Well played.

      • +1

        Although they are an Australian organisation, their privacy policy says they adhere to the European GDPR for all locations.

        In addition to any other rights identified in this Privacy Policy, you have the right to ask us to delete or restrict (stop any active) processing of your personal data; and to obtain the personal data you provide to us for a contract or with your consent in a structured, machine readable format, and to ask us to share (port) this data to another controller.

        To the extent that there is no conflict and that the level of protection of the individual is higher under European law, MSF Australia will look to apply the higher standard not only because it is part of a Movement that has a significant presence in Europe, but also because of the importance the organisation places on protecting individuals’ right to privacy, regardless of nationality or location.

        I would wait 1-2 weeks for the calendar to arrive (or at least be sent out), then send an email to the address listed at the bottom of that privacy policy. Provide details you submitted from that form like email, address, name/provided pseudonym and make it clear it is a formal request for the deletion of all personal data and processing of said data.

        If you do get door knocked for marketing, ask them if they can scratch your address off their list. That should count as an explicit request to not come back in the future.

        • use parcel collect and junk email

    • +2

      Seems like it's a good calendar to send to your enemies.

    • Well, shit. I just got one sent to my mum. Who lives in rural Queensland.

      This could get awkward….

  • +14

    Get it delivered to your not so favourite neighbour hehehe

  • +1

    I got one and entered N/A for first and last name.

  • -2

    What is the usual price?

    • +1

      As it says in title “free”, it’s a calendar handed out once a year for free.

  • +43

    Don't encourage charities to waste their money on this sort of exercise.

    • -2

      They already made the decision to make them and already printed them.

      Perhaps it might deter them another year, but it's doubtful. They're mining data after all..

    • +1

      MSF/DWB are fairly good at wasting your donations on admin.

    • +1

      All charities have fundraising costs. The point is to spread awareness/collect data which is supposed to generate more revenue.

    • This seems like pretty cheap marketing compared to other options.

    • +2

      They use this to collect info for future use. I dont encourage charity to do this kind of marketing.

  • +9

    So if you donate money to them it goes towards giving out calendars?

    • +4

      I can't remember which website gave me this details, but DWB expense ratio is a bit higher compared to similar big charities.

      In saying that, I have donated to DWB before despite this. You can see that their work is real. Wish their ratio was a bit lower, as I rather see more dollars goes towards the cause rather than admin/expenses. But oh well…

      • +1

        All the financials are on the ACNC Register
        I was curious about the ratios and made some quick calculations. Looks like administration/fundraising costs roughly make up 22% of DWB's revenue. In comparison, another big one like World Vision is ~17%. Then you have the Australian Red Cross which is more than 50% on employee salaries alone..

        • +2

          Red cross do hire professionals for their blood work. But we haven't donated to them financially since the decided to divert money for the tsunami victims in Indo to their other work because apparently they raised more money them they decided they needed.

          Charities are getting like pollies, too many "professionals" taking over and running them as a money making business, rather then an organisation to help others.

          • @[Deactivated]: That makes sense, I guess you can't just look at figures alone.

            • +2

              @wangasm: Yeah its what they spend it on.

              These guys raised ~$93.5m and spent ~$12.5m on salaries another ~$20 on admin, just to send ~$66m OS

              So ~34c/$1 raiaes was actually spent to raise the money to be sent OS. Sounds ridiculous to me.

        • +3

          The Australian Red Cross is such a joke. Blood donations should be managed by the public hospitals and not such a bloated an inefficient organisation.

          Also, we import around half (44%) our plasma blood from the United States anyway.

          http://theconversation.com/how-australia-can-fix-the-market-…

          • -1

            @iseeyou1312: And just in case you didn't think the free market was an exercise in inefficient lunacy guess who the second highest exporter of blood in the world is?

            Yep, USA.

            • @Diji1: US blood collection isn't monopolised by a single entity and the US is able to massively reduce blood collection costs by offering donors small financial incentives in a very distorted global market. I also think you'll find that they're the largest global exporter of human blood and produce around 70% of the world's plasma supply.

              It's one of the very few things the US healthcare system actually does right.

        • +2

          do you guys know any website that compare all the charities in terms of their financials? Guess if there is one, at least I can check them out before making any donations…

  • +12

    These are fully trained doctors volunteering their time for the good of humanity. I hate useless charities but when I walked out of a shareholders meeting of a pharmaceutical company I took the time to talk to them. Being a medical doctor is not easy. Many still have a huge burden of educational cost to be repaid and give up their time and help sick humans in need. First time I felt so bad to make money from shares for doing nothing while these so well educated doctors put their own life at risk and help other humans in need. Many medical graduates had been bullied for being just nerds and are quite depressed. Going to work in new places is one good way to overcome depression rather than swallowing dangerous chemicals that destroy your liver. Please be gentle to these guys. They do NOT discriminate. If a human life can be saved they are there to help.

    Next time you need to see a doctor bear in mind they do not earn easy money. Once these doctors come back they have learned so much they never knew before. Getting a doctor that both cares and knows is getting harder and harder.

    Internationally they are known as Medicines sans frontiers.

    • Many still have a huge burden of educational cost to be repaid

      Don't worry: now that Australia has a worse educational system than Kazakhstan after decades of Laberal funding cuts there won't be very many doctors graduating in Australia.

    • +1

      And yet this nobel charity pays professionals to hound you for money & mine your personal data to on sell and thrn pockets ~34% of donations for "admin" costs.

      Medicines san morals is a better name.

  • +1

    I have a great respect for Medecins Sans Frontieres. A lot of young doctors cut their teeth with them to gain overseas experience. So maybe just give them a straight donation instead?

    • So they can waste 34c/$1 on admin?

      • You only had to say it once you know… There's no need to repeat your comment all over the post.

        • Not being very "nobel" (sic) is he.

          • @jackspratt: You got the sic right. Well more of a hangover.

        • 34c/$1 on admin.
          People should know.
          Advertising work through repetition.

    • Or at the very least not ordering a calendar for the sake of getting something for free.

  • They're a charity, please don't abuse this by ordering calendars you're not going to use or don't need

    • -3

      I got 5 for free.

  • +2

    MSF is a fantastic charity, I wish they had lower admin % but I will donate to them regardless. Google their inflatable trauma centres, amazing facility and a world first. What charity was supplying critical medical care when there was little to none on offer in Aleppo, Benghazi the Congo ect… What organisation was doing anything remotely useful in Rwanda during the 94 massacre?? They also have a solid track record of impartialality and voiceing uncomfortable truths when no one else does. MSF may not be perfect but they do fantastic work.

    • Whilst I agee completely with your sentiment regarding how MSF do the hard yards and should be recognised and supported, the answer to your question is the ICRC - the Red Cross here in Au - were in all of those places at those times. They just do a really rubbish job of letting people know.

      For example, on Rwanda: "Helped by the Rwandan Red Cross, we had also begun to evacuate the wounded to a nearby school, which we had turned into a field hospital. We were aware, perhaps to differing degrees, of the relative futility of evacuating and caring for the injured against such a violent backdrop. The purpose of the violence that had seized Rwanda was not to neutralize people on the other side by taking them prisoner or wounding them, but purely and simply to eliminate them by attacking them with machetes or screwdrivers. The wounded we were picking up were survivors whom the killers, especial ly the Interahamwe, had not had time to finish off.

      On two occasions in April 1994 our ambulances were stopped at militia roadblocks and the wounded were forcibly unloaded and killed before our very eyes. Radio Télévision Libre des Milles Collines announced that the ICRC was transporting "enemies of the Republic disguised as mock wounded”. We explained, protested, had Geneva issue press releases that were picked up by the western media. The effect in Rwanda was immediate: the Rwandan Government and media changed tack and set out to polish their badly tarnished image by mounting an awareness campaign on the right of the wounded to care and on the role of the Red Cross. Within a few days, our ambulances no longer had any difficulty in moving about freely in Kigali.

      The murder of our ambulance patients enabled us to save some ten thousand other lives between 10 April and 4 July 1994, according to our makeshift hospital's statistics." [https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/5xkca5.htm]

      Again, not disagreeing with your sentiment that MSF do fantastic work.

      • Sory i forgot about you guys, i read about some of the ordeals the ICRC had over there. Brutal on all accounts, I also have nothing but praise for the ICRC. MSF and ICRC may not be perfect but they do amazing work and should be supported more.

  • MSF often work in places with little to no governance, such as war zones … they serve people without access to govt services. Not even our foreign aid addresses this. This is what makes them different to many of our domestic charities who are filling a gap that, in many cases, could and should have been filled by government. Ie as a community, we should be collectively funding (via tax not donation) our firefighting capability, support to homeless, women’s refuges, meals on wheels, etc. And MSF don’t use donations to defend pedophiles, or appeal their convictions, or appeal their failed appeal.

  • if you're interested in cost effective charities check out ethicist Peter Singer's the life you can save website: https://www.thelifeyoucansave.org.au/

  • Did anyone get this yet?

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