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OLED55C9PTA LG 55INCH OLED AI THINQ SMART TV $1712 SOLD OUT
OLED65C9PTA LG 65INCH OLED AI THINQ SMART TV $3050 SOLD OUT
TH-65GZ1000U Panasonic 65 INCH OLED 4K Ultra HD HDR TV $2950
TH-55GZ1000U Panasonic 55INCH OLED 4K Ultra HD HDR TV $1700
TH-65GX850A Panasonic 65 Inch 4K Ultra HD HDR TV $1356 - Panasonic Spec link
Well the C8 went down to $1580 ($1530 excluding delivery) last year.
When it did it go down to that price? During Xmas sales?
B8 got down to $1460
Any news on the B9 in Australia?
Yeah, I've been wondering why I haven't seen any ads for a B9. Rtings recommends it, as it's the same panel as the C9 anyway.
@runean: I saw the comparison, I didn't think they used the exact same panel. Though the differences in the test were small. I thought the main difference will be in the processor used, so there would be high input lag, but no major difference there either. Its hard to see what is the difference between the two.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c9-vs-lg-b9/802/9…
@FuRyZ: I thought the B9 was the same TV as the C9 but without the sound system (for people with their own soundbars etc).
ie So you have the option of saving a few bucks on speakers you'll never use.
@runean: Apparently B9 uses Alpha 7 Gen2 processor and C9 uses Top of the line Alpha 9 Gen2 processor-which makes overall image little bit better due to better noise control processing and heightens the picture and sound quality making overall picture a bit brighter. So C9 is little bit better for bright room. Other wise, both are good TV's
@krish955: That does explain the better brightness levels of the C9 in the comparison review. Thanks for the info.
This morning was at Chatswood jb hifi store. And they have received the first LG B9 tv. It got put on display yesterday. Just hoping get one near Black Friday deals for around $2600 for 65”
Btw was offered 65” inch one for around 3000$ by the store rep.
@greywine: So they offered the B9 65" for $3k? Do you know how much they offered the 55" inch one for?
Wonder why the 65inches are near double the price of 55 inch.any decent brand any price category !
Because its the sweet spot for what a lot of consumers want. Similar to telcos with their data plans
Demand, manufacturing, etc.
This. It's literally been a economies of scale issue for 65" and 75" panels, and it looks like it will finally get under control next year.
Many reasons.
10" might not sound like that much, but its actually 40% more screen area.
Also the price of goods like this is not just manufacturing, its also highly affected by shipping. These things are very heavy, therefore cost more to ship as they get larger.
Add demand onto that and double the price starts to make sense.
10" might not sound like that much, but its actually 40% more screen area.
This as well as the size introduces more chance for panel defects which leads to less yield for the same inputs.
And the 77” has an even bigger price difference over the 65” than the 65” over the 55”.
$1712 is great price but it's not "I'll be stupid not to buy it" price.
What OzBargain is all about
Amazing tv. Worth every $. Got it at $1836 from the last deal.
What about the eBay price guarantee that refunds the difference if it's later offered for less and from certain selected sellers?
Edit:needs to be very recent.
"Found it for Less Within 48 Hours?"
Not a bad deal. Seems like prices are getting closer to USA deals. I got mine when 65 c9 listed for $3036. Loving it!
LG or Pana?
I looked at both in the store last week.
You can't judge everything off 1 store visit, but I think the Panasonic looked to have a nicer picture due to their processing.
But the LG has eArc and HDMI 2.1, so very future proof, and for that alone I'd go LG.
LG wins in picture and features. I think Pana is only good if you are after certain calibration for movies.
The LG OS is fantastic as well as the Magic Remote. Most apps you want are on there. I have the C8.
LG has a better interface and app availability.
Yes. I had new 2010s Pana Viera Plasma which they stopped updating apps after 2 years. Sucks
Depends on your HDR wants/needs etc. Picture wise LG for me, but it's personal preference. Either way those are in the top 3 OLEDS with Sony.
There are some other OLEDs that you won’t find at JB etc. like B&O, Grundig and Loewe.
Samsung are also getting into OLED with a tech called QD-OLED and will start selling in 2021.
https://www.avforums.com/news/qd-oled-gets-official-10-8-bil…
I have Pana FZ950, now regret due to its Operating System/interface
Get LG for sure
LG if gaming is important, Pana for movies, Sony for sport.
They're all excellent displays for all content but I think these are their relative strengths.
LG is overall the best OLED you can buy, the gaming aspect is just one of many reasons its better, this Pana for movies and Sony for sport is a bit misleading, no real reason to buy either brand over LG.
HDR10+ and a marginally improved picture quality. If all you want is to watch movies and you're ok with an external device like an Nvidia Shield to get a better interface, it is subjectively better PQ. That said I just recommended a C9 over it to a friend because they do more mixed watching and the remote / inbuilt features are better.
You can't really go wrong with any of them though.
I'm still tossing up between them because I will never use it for games or care what the software is like, or use HDMI 2.1 features that aren't in Panasonic's HDMI 2.0b feature set. I will probably want to throw HDR10+ and Dolby Vision content at it though, and the Panasonic is the only one that does both. I do like the look of it's picture profile better as well.
@[Deactivated]: HDR10+ support would be important if there was content , but there isn't so it isn't.
@noise36: I don't think it's super important, but HDR10+ is Amazon's preferred format and doesn't have royalties associated with it, so while it looks like Dolby Vision is winning out at the moment royalty free is a potential format winning feature. Not that either DV or HDR10+ are amazingly better than HDR10, and both require extra work on the part of content creators so there may never be heaps of content. But then, there's nothing in terms of VRR equipment at the moment to plug into the C9 that makes that feature any better either.
@[Deactivated]: LG can add HDR10+ any time it wants with a software update, Panasonic cant add HDMI 2.1.
@noise36: They have most of the 2.1 features anyway, just missing VRR. If that's something you actually care about then absolutely. It's not going to make a difference for most people.
Can add 10+ vs will are different things, there's a want to sell a new model which tends to stop companies from doing things like this.
LG overall better TV, no contest.
LG is on par with Panasonic for PQ only if you professionally calibrate it ($500 or so expense). Panasonic's is great out of the box.
LG might be better for future proofing if you game, due to HDMI 2.1. There's no evidence that having HDMI 2.0 and not HDMI 2.1 will impose any bottleneck for next-gen consoles.
Panasonic's remote compared to LG is like comparing Arnott's Tim Tams to Black and Gold's equivalent. It simply feels more durable, and the backlight on it is awesome.
LG OS feels more 'cartoony' and Panasonic looks more 'professional'. I only use Netflix and my Blu Ray player and there's never a time I felt either was lacking.
Source: Own both.
PQ only if you professionally calibrate it ($500 or so expense)
You could pay $500 for I don't know what, a guy to come around?
Or you could rent a calibration tool for 5 bucks a week and follow the wizard interface.
Tell me/us what you know about calibration and your experience…
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@OzBrogains: There are heaps of free youtube videos (Including reliable HDTVtest channel) on how to do it for free using Auto calibration tools. I thought of doing this myself on my C9 but i'm pretty happy with the built-in "out of the box" settings. I normally change the picture mode according to the content and time of the day as one mode doesn't fit for all..
You could also purchase a second hand spyder or x-rite from ebay, follow a few tutes (baseline using rtings)and self calibrate every tv and monitor you purchase.
Where the hell do I rent one for $5? Full serious.
I'm still on a Panasonic VT30 from 2011 so may be way off here, but can't you get a pretty good baseline for calibration (i.e. equivalent to Panasonic's out of the box calibration at least) by following someone else's calibration e.g. RTINGS and then tweaking to eye? Obviously professional calibration would be better, but that is the case with Panasonic too, no?
So you own a C9 and a GZ1000 and have calibrated both? Please do link us to your results so we can see the facts.
Sony and Microsoft have literally declared their next console to be 8k capable, so yes, there is a bottleneck issue necessitating HDMI 2.1.
Even if it were only 4k120Hz, unless you can use DSC with the reduced bandwidth of HDMI 2.0b, you'd have zero HDR capability.
the visual difference between 4K or 8K@120fps and 4K@60fps is significant but are any PS5 games going to be running in 8K@120fps? Just because next gen consoles are capable of 8K doesn’t mean games will have it.
@OzBrogains: I think 4k120Hz will be the target, but 8k30 or 60 will be offered for more cinematic games.
The hardware, in combination with the tighter hardware chain and development on consoles, will support that, and perhaps offer superior upscaling techniques and unlock 8k120 over time, but 8k HFR HDR video will be a thing these consoles need to support over their lifespan.
The biggest issue is your choice of panel, with OLED becoming almost a requirement at 8k to actually make use of the fidelity gains in the expected sizes. I think VA LCD has reached its zenith, so unless 240Hz VA brings some significant response time improvements, 8K LCD is going to be a bit pointless.
@OzBrogains: To be honest I saw 8k in action today and wasn't impressed at all. Same shit as the 4k demo. Anyone who is blown away is an idiot.
A well shot 1080p big ray vs 4k, sure there's a difference.. not huge but its there. The 8k jump is even less.
Anyway, current consoles like XBX1 which I have as well as a 1080Ti.. the difference to older cards just isn't that great.. we've hit that point where the growth is meh.. imo obviously
I was in same situation a month ago and I went ahead with LG because its future proof (with all HDMI2.1 features), better upscaling on cable TV, and most importantly user interface\ magic remote reasons as this is something I need to use for a long time.. I don't regret my decision even for a second after using it for a month. But i guess its personnel preference.
Out of interest what HDMI 2.1 feature are you keen on? I couldn't find anything I care about that isn't in the '2.0 + extras but not quite 2.1' implementation in other sets.
I'm certainly looking forward to leverage what e-Arc can bring + the gaming features such as VRR, AUTO LOW LATENCY MODE, and be able to pass Dynamic HDR content. Although there is not much content at the moment but i guess its a future thing. Just like the 4k content a few years ago..
Fuc me just bought C9 55" last week for $1836, should've waited…
Rookie mistake.
You should always wait a year after you decide you want something to buy it.
Both rookies - the correct unhelpful ozbargain reply is to say you should've bought it on 28 degrees price protection…
Too late now seems they are not actively offering PP to new accounts any more guys.
I missed out on Coles 2 years PP, luckily got in on 28D last year still doing me good this year too!
OLED prone to burning i hear for LG … any thoughts ?
Not something to worry about unless you only watch one channel with unchanging parts of the screen eg. channel logo
It's an issue but you have to run the same content (without changing to something else intermittently like an ad break) for hours a day for months to have it.
It's actually cumulative use that causes the problem, not just sustained use with no interruptions. If you play a specific game for 2000 hours in a row, that will have roughly equal burn-in to if you played the same 2000 hours over a span of 5 years in short bursts.
The cause of the burn-in is degradation of specific subpixels with use over time. In theory, if all subpixels had the same shelf life and you were watching static content with perfect pixel distribution, the TV would simply become less bright over a span of 5+ years. But some subpixels age far, far more quickly, and when you have specific pixels being used far more often + specific subpixels ageing unusually fast, you can see this permanent image retention happening over a span of 1-2 years of heavy repeated content - even if you put "ad-breaks" between them.
If you play and watch many different things, you'll be mostly fine. It's possible you may end up with subtle burn-in over a very long period but not a big deal generally. If you very heavily play the same games for years at a time (e.g. Overwatch or Fortnight or CoD), even with many breaks between, I'd say it's not the best kind of TV for you.
Thanks for clearing that up.
No.. I have pana and lg oled.. perfectly fine.
I've been playing GOW on it for the last 2 months… I was worried that the compass at the top and the health bar at the bottom would do this.. but nothing so far. I usually play for 2 hours at a stretch. Unless its gaming night and I get 4 hours. So far so good. i have teh C9 65".
My C8 is fine.. no issues plays the same kid shows everyday
Whats better, getting a 65 inch non OLED vs 55 inch OLED?
This deal is very tempting. Also chuck in Black Friday and whether its worth holding off.
65 for sure. if you have the money, that is. I was in your position too. I got the C9 65". Use a price protection card.
I think you misread the question.OLED >> screen size.
I did indeed, haha! Apologies. This is what happens when I ozb at work. OLED wins hands down! Do not pick size over technology. You could get a 85" or even a 95" LCD vs the 65" OLED but the OLED wins any time. Irrespective of screen size.
Samsung Q80R 65" $2845 is an excellent price.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QA65Q80RAWXXY-Samsung-65-Inch-Se…
65 inches… definitely go oled
Nah, I want QLED for the bright room.
The brightness is an overstated problem imho… I'm using my tv in a bright room and it's no problem
@hippyhippy: Agree. I got a very bright room (3 side windows) and was thinking of buying Qled but ended with LG OLED.. Guess what, I'm happy that I made the right decision to to go with the OLED picture quality rather than just the brightness.
@hippyhippy: It's not just the TVs brightness, it's also its ability to handle reflections.
Unfortunately, the Samsung's have by far and away the best anti reflective coating of all TVs. It's a HUGE difference.
It's a reason I chose a Sony LCD of Pioneer Kuro back in the day. While it's great have inky blacks, they are kind of pointless if what you actually see isn't black, but some bloody annoying reflection (maybe you) from somewhere in your room.
I really want an LG OLED, well, any of the top OLEDs, but when I look at a Sammy Q80R, and that there are effectively no reflections, it messes with my thoughts. Even with the matte finish my current 46" Sony (nearly 11 years old now) screen has, they drive me nuts. So going to 65" inches of glossy reflection would drive me around the bend.
@snuke: I second this. Reflection is one big thing that I don't like on my C9 as I have a bright room. Reflective protection could be better and Samsung nails it out of all.
Just had a friend put a C9 OLED into an extremely bright room with two glass walls. The brightness is fine.
@[Deactivated]: I never said the OLED brightness is an issue…..
The QLEDs are brighter, which suits my preference and my room.
@[Deactivated]: oled on max brightness age fast and consume ridiculous power. i would not get oled for bright room. just buy curtains
The HDR brightness is similar between the Q80R and an OLED however the Samsung is twice as bright with SDR content (aka the majority of what people watch).
Not to say OLED isn't bright. OLED is bright, a lot brighter than some people would insinuate, but in a truly bright room a good LCD will be far more pleasant to watch than an OLED.
@tp0: Interesting my suggested price for the 65" QLED $2845 gets 2 negs. LULWUT. It's actually a good price for the near top end of Samsung's lineup. The Q90R is not worth the extra money for a couple more backlight zones.
I remember posting a similar price a few weeks back and it got many +'s haha. OzB people are savage sometimes.
@Skramit: It's pretty reasonable considering how much Samsung generally charge but you need to have a pretty specific use case or really love Samsung to be paying OLED money for it.
The Q90R might just be a few more dimming zones but it's noticeably brighter in HDR and has a significantly better contrast ratio.
Although I think they make amazing hardware Samsung really ruin their TVs with inaccurate HDR presentation, shadow detail/dark scene black crushing and poor out of the box colour accuracy which make them a no go for me.
@tp0: Spot on - I haven't checked out recent Samsung TV's but in the past have always found their picture to be "cartoonish" and far from the cinematic experience. I know some people who like it though.
lol buy curtains. who wants a bright room anyway. i totally regret buying q6 55'' last year for $1999. black levels atrocious.
55" LG has sold out.
It'll come back, just keep an eye out.
how do you know?
(smirks)
The item originally said out of stock, now the seller has ended the listed. So that seems less likely.
Now back in stock.
Far out….so tempted….it won't drop lower than $1836 they said from the last deal on the 55 C9…how low can it go?