Very good to go with the 2700x deal posted earlier. I bought this and the 2700x. Really good deal together.
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Should I get this or a b450 tomahawk max
How much is the b450?
For an x470 this is a good price. There have been cheaper ones in the past, but I posted this for those who bought the 2700x today.
The b450 is only a few dollars
I'm in same boat. Thinking of a new build. Think I'll still stick to the b450 tomahawk purely with the msi promotion bonus as well.
Out of curiousity whats the promotion? Having trouble finding it with google
I recently got a Tomahawk Max, I was a little surprised that it didn't have onboard Bluetooth and I could possibly have done with a couple more rear USB ports but all in all it's a good mobo. I kinda wish that I paid a bit more and got a X570 but it's doing the job well. I think the Tomahawk Max is very close in specs to x470.
I don't think the X570 premium can be justified unless you require very fast storage.
You're probably right.
I bought a PCIe to m2 wifi card (with antenna sockets) and Intel AX200 (Wifi 6 + BT5) for my B450 board. AX200 was around $30. It was a bit tricky to install though (the antenna connectors are tiny). However, it is more cost effective because X570 with AX200 or equivalent costs a lot. Most mid level X570 uses cheaper / inferior WiFi chip. You do lose an internal USB 2 header for AX200 though (BT5 is done through USB I think).
I don't have need of internal wifi as my whole house is wired with ethernet, I just used a $20 USB bluetooth devide that sits neatly in one of the front 2.0 ports of my PC so it's no issue. I just didn't check before I bought it.
@[Deactivated]: Thing is if Bluetooth 5 is important, X570 won't necessary solve the problem. To get bluetooth on X570, you pretty much have to get the WiFi version of the boards. It's not X570 comes with bluetooth, it is more that bluetooth is thrown in by the WiFi chipset provider.
As for more USB ports, yes that's true, you get more USB 3.0 ports, but may not be more USB 2 ports. I guess there is no harm putting the Bluetooth 5 dongle on a USB 3 port. Unless you are going for 3900X or 3950X, there is really no need to go X570. I understand that if you do a lot of video editing on a tight budget, 3700X might be attractive, but it still doesn't change the fact it is somewhat a compromise for heavy 4K+ video work.
Best not to overspend on PC parts, as those parts depreciate quite quickly after a year. 2700 and 2600 are good examples.
@netsurfer: lol I actually bought a 3700X on the advice of a lot of WP guys and I've noticed that I'm usually using no more than 10% at most, often 5-6% or less CPU. I don't use that PC for work, it's purely a gaming rig. I should have kept the 2700X that I bought and returned for $170 less and thrown more into a GPU (I bought a 2070 Super but found that it struggled to perform well in high settings on VR in Assetto Corsa Competizione)
I did only get a BT4.0 device, I've found it perfect for hooking up an XBox controller and a keyboard. I didn't really have any other uses for it.
Whats the difference between the MSI b450 Tomahawk and this?
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Chipset difference, mostly.
The B450 chipset is a mid-range / entry level chipset that hits the sweet spot for gamers that are only running 1 GPU. Which is most people.
The X470 is high-end / enthusiast chipset with more PCIE lanes and need SLi support. See table for comparison. With more PCIE lanes it usually they can pack more SATA ports onto the board (useful if you have a lot of drives) and more high speed USB ports (useful if you have a lot of external storage you want to plug in).
But in terms of overclocking that's really up to the quality of the VRMs, not the chipset.
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The B450 Tomahawk, the B450-A Pro and the X470 Gaming Pro are all in the same VRM tier with the same base VRM implementation, subject to different heatsinks and the minor differences those provide.
What is more critical is that this board doesn't have USB BIOS Flashback, so if you're looking at it for 3rd gen, you need to confirm it's Ryzen 3000 ready, or you need access to a 1st or 2nd gen CPU.
now that's a worthwhile observation…
Or just buy the B450 Tomahawk Max
@starburstyellow: Honestly, unless you need the USB-C, buy the B450-A Pro, preferably the Max version.
Like scrimshaw pointed out, it mainly comes down to PCIe lanes.
However, there is B450 Tomahawk Max, which doubled the size of the BIOS. Earlier on, there wasn't much of a difference, but the latest AGESA update, we are seeing the B450 Max series boards getting 1.0.0.4(b) updates faster. Furthermore, the Max series supports Ryzen 3xxx CPU without requiring an old CPU to flash. However, B450 Tomahawk (non-Max) does support BIOS flashback so you don't need a CPU to update the BIOS). This X470 board doesn't have BIOS flashback.
With B450, you pretty much can only use 1 PCIe x1 card if you want to leave the GPU at PCIe x16. If you need another PCIe add-on card, then the GPU needs to operate in x8 mode.
Missing out on the 2700X has proven to be quite costly! Risk now buying this given I'll probably have to go a Ryzen 3000 with price and jasswolf observation above, hmm..
If you are going for 3000 then I wouldnt recommend this no. I am only posting this for those that want a quick fix for a board for the 2700x. I
The 2700X will likely pop up again at a similar price. I reckon you'll see them on Black Friday sales.
Awesome thanks guys, yeah I've just bought RAM thus far so I'm happy to wait till end of month, I'll keep an eye on that 2700x! I suppose this X470 will be around the same price during then and Cyber Monday too. Cheers!
You are better off going for Ryzen 3xxx series CPU in general. Motherboard, get it from a store that's willing to do a BIOS update for you or charge you $10-$20.
The only exception with going for 2700X is that you don't want to go through the mess with the AGESA BIOS updates - which is somewhat still in progress. We are on 1.0.0.4 with a number of builds. Some people reported that you need the latest 1.0.0.4 to play RDR2 PC version.
You don't make your PC build decision based on motherboard. You decide the build you want and pick one motherboard that's good enough for your needs.
Also when you buy you might want to buy it all quickly, PC tech moves so quickly. If you buy a little at a time you're just going to be sore when you notice things you bought a month ago going on sale cheaper. Buy once and cry once. Buy the exact system that suits your needs (and of course try to buy it at the cheapest you can - Ozbargain!)
Argh I pulled the trigger but now regretting it as it has not BIOS flashback. Should I get the a Aorus Pro/Elite or MSI Tomahawk instead?
Are you going to get 2xxx series CPU or 3xxx series CPU? If 3xxx series CPU and your local PC store is not willing to do the BIOS upgrade for you cheap, then I suggest you cancel the purchase (assuming you don't have an old CPU to do the BIOS flash yourself).
I have had issues with my MSI B450 motherboard with standard BIOS update method. So, I ended up doing BIOS flashback every time. It does reset everything to default though.
Amazon take time to process orders normally so should be able to cancel.
I agree