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  0jay on 14/05/2019 - 13:12

  +2

  Good for a bit of excitement on public transport..

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    MMM on 14/05/2019 - 14:00

    I personally prefer a violin case.

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    0 0 0 on 14/05/2019 - 14:01

    Just remember to practice your breathing exercises whilst carrying it on the train

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      xoom on 14/05/2019 - 17:55

      I prefer to put on my headphones…. To listen to my instructions.

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  beigehornet on 14/05/2019 - 13:16

  +1

  Im here for the comments. This should be good

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  Kiato on 14/05/2019 - 13:42

  -1

  ohhh the comments aught to be good in here.

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  woyoyondie on 14/05/2019 - 14:35

  -1

  Because the case has to be securely attached to your car whilst transporting to comply with firearm regs, the only way I can see that you can do that is by threading the wire rope through the handle, so I need to ask how securely/strongly is the handle attached to the case.

  Usually cases have the provision for using a padlock and you can utilise that as an anchor point.

  I don't think that this case would be able to be securely attached to your car to satisfy a zealous inspection if you were pulled over by the long arm of the law.

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    wittyusername on 14/05/2019 - 15:15

    Where do you live that this is the case?

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    choodi on 14/05/2019 - 15:41

    Ahhh, the uninformed and uneducated are always drawn to these topics. What would we do for entertainment if people who know nothing just simply say nothing?

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      0jay on 14/05/2019 - 16:32

      +1

      Where would we be without a tautology in a libertarian retort?

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        choodi on 15/05/2019 - 08:15

        The fact that you think uninformed and uneducated are the same thing is hilarious. The fact that you think I am a libertarian is revealing of your character, or lack thereof.

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          0jay on 15/05/2019 - 09:22

          @choodi: In this context they are. A person expressing an incorrect view on a technicality can be described as either uninformed or uneducated (on the subject). To describe them as both is redundant.

          You may or may not be a gun rights advocate but libertarians generally are in favour of freedom of choice to play with guns regardless of potential consequences to others and are almost universally scathing of people with reservations on the subject. Mocking a person for revealing ignorance on a finer point of securing firearms in a vehicle smacks of libertarian sport.

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            choodi on 15/05/2019 - 10:31

            @0jay: There was no "ignorance on the finer point of securing firearms in a vehicle", there was a patently false statement about the law. You are clearly a political activist with an axe to grind, so I will no longer engage with you on this topic. Bugger off and do your trolling somewhere else.

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              0jay on 15/05/2019 - 10:38

              @choodi: Still further redundancies. Nice work, chum.

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                choodi on 15/05/2019 - 10:41

                @0jay: You really are as stupid as you come across. Care to point out the "further redundancies"?

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                  0jay on 15/05/2019 - 10:49

                  @choodi: Expressing a view that reveals ‘ignorance on the finer points of [the laws pertaining to] securing a firearm’ is by definition a ‘false statement about the law’ relating to firearms.

                  There y go genius. Now roll over.

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                    choodi on 15/05/2019 - 10:53

                    @0jay: Ignorance of the law and false statements about the law are not the same thing. You clearly spend too much of your time trolling on the internet. Maybe go and get a job…

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                      0jay on 15/05/2019 - 10:55

                      @choodi: Ignorance of a point of law expressed in a statement is a false statement if that statement is expressed as a fact.

                      You’re a tired-ass half cocked little bunny aren’t you?

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                        choodi on 15/05/2019 - 11:01

                        @0jay: …and you're the one throwing accusations about pseudo-intellectuals around.

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                          0jay on 15/05/2019 - 11:03

                          @choodi: Devastating, just devastating.

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                            choodi on 15/05/2019 - 11:08

                            @0jay: At least I know the difference between "affected" and "effected" mate. Go and try to be clever somewhere else.

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                              0jay on 15/05/2019 - 11:13

                              @choodi: Winning streak! Buy a lotto ticket.

                              You are quite the contender. Tell me, are you married? The ladies are dying to know..

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    OzBragain on 14/05/2019 - 16:35

    No requirement in NSW. Which state requires you to lock Cat A & B firearms to the car when transporting?

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      woyoyondie on 15/05/2019 - 10:12

      If you are one of the few who own a precious and do not wish to become one of the 15% who have firearms stolen from their vehicle then you need to take "all reasonable precautions" to protect it and you when transporting it.

      The NSW Commissioner has determined that 'all reasonable precautions', as required under section 39 of the Act, have been met if category A & B firearms are conveyed in the same manner as category C, D & H firearms.

      If you are unlucky enough to have your firearm stolen from your vehicle and you hadn't secured your firearm to the vehicle good luck defending your prosecution. Buying a padlock, python lock, wire rope, bike lock, etc and attaching your locked case or firearm to the vehicle is a small price to pay to ensure you are covered legally.

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        choodi on 15/05/2019 - 10:37

        This would be the case if you were transporting it in the back of a ute, but if you are using a car, then locking it in the boot is fine. If you are leaving the car, then you must not leave the firearm in the car unattended.

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          woyoyondie on 15/05/2019 - 11:25

          +1

          @choodi: Perhaps in the boot of a sedan but the law changes for the back of a wagon, hatch or SUV type of vehicle. If leaving the vehicle you need to have the added security.

          Why put up with all the potential legal ramifications and inconvenience that could result – seems easier to just take the 100% approach and ensure it never happens in the first place

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        OzBragain on 15/05/2019 - 13:10

        -1

        I would always encourage people to err on the side of caution when it comes to firearms safety and storage but your original statement

        Because the case has to be securely attached to your car whilst transporting to comply with firearm regs, the only way I can see that you can do that is by threading the wire rope through the handle, so I need to ask how securely/strongly is the handle attached to the case.

        is incorrect when it comes to Cat A & B firearms in NSW. Firearms legislation is already confusing and statements such as this don't help anyone. Different requirements when storing Cat A/B in an unattended vehicle but we're talking about transport here.

        If you wish to lock your Cat A/B firearms inside your vehicle while you're driving around with them then please continue to do so.

        What are the requirements for transporting Category A & B firearms?

        Category A & B firearms must be conveyed in a manner that ensures compliance with section 39 of the Act. The firearm must not be loaded with any ammunition while it is being conveyed and the firearm must not be visible from outside the vehicle.
        The Commissioner has determined that 'all reasonable precautions', as required under section 39 of the Act, have been met if category A & B firearms are conveyed in the same manner as category C, D & H firearms.
        NOTE: At no time should a firearm be left stored unattended in a motor vehicle unless the firearms are stored in accordance with the requirements of category C, D & H firearms and no other alternative safe storage is available.

        FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 39

        39 General requirement

        (1) A person who possesses a firearm must take all reasonable precautions to ensure:

           (a) its safe keeping, and 
        
           (b) that it is not stolen or lost, and 
        
           (c) that it does not come into the possession of a person who is not authorised to possess the firearm. 
        
           Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years, or both, if it is established beyond reasonable doubt that the firearm concerned was a prohibited firearm or a pistol, or 20 penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months, or both, in any other case. 
        
           Note : Reference to a pistol includes a prohibited pistol. 
        

        (2) The regulations may specify the precautions that are taken to be reasonable precautions for the purposes of this section.

        What legislative requirements are there in relation to transportation of category C, D & H firearms? (From the same pdf linked above)

        Category C, D & H firearms must be conveyed unloaded, with the ammunition kept in a locked container separate
        from the firearms. They must be rendered temporarily incapable of being fired (eg by removal of the bolt/firing
        mechanism or the use of trigger locks) or must be kept in a locked container that is properly secured to, or is within
        the vehicle.

        Note that "or" is used twice in that last sentence. "…properly secured to…the vehicle" is one of the ways to comply but not the only way.

        My Cat A/B rifles are transported in soft bags in the boot of my 4WD. Bolts and magazines are removed and in a locked container. Ammo is in a separate locked container. Keys stay in my pocket. Rifles, boxes and anything obviously firearms related are all covered and not visible from the outside of the vehicle. I believe this complies with current legislation but would be happy to be proven wrong and change how I do things if there are any lawyers or police here who are familiar the legislation and show me the how I should be transporting Cat A/B firearms correctly.

        If you are one of the few who own a precious and do not wish to become one of the 15% who have firearms stolen from their vehicle then you need to take "all reasonable precautions" to protect it and you when transporting it.

        Could you please provide a source for your "15% who have firearms stolen from their vehicle"? Sounds a little high to me.

        Perhaps in the boot of a sedan but the law changes for the back of a wagon, hatch or SUV type of vehicle.

        A reference for this would be useful too? I have not heard of a change in law for transporting inside wagon etc as you have stated.

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          woyoyondie on 15/05/2019 - 23:53

          @OzBragain: I didn't quote any categories that I said wished to comply with in my original post, just said that needed to secure it to the car to comply with the firearm regs.

          Interpret the regs how you will and I will do likewise for my situation.

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            OzBragain on 16/05/2019 - 18:37

            @woyoyondie:

            I didn't quote any categories

            Yes but it's pretty clear that you've been referring to Cat A/B. Why else quote a section on transporting Cat A/B from the NSW Police Fact Sheet?!?!

            Interpret the legislation however you like. As I said above, if you wish to lock your Cat A/B firearms inside your vehicle while you're driving around with them then please continue to do so.

            What I have an issue with is people making vague and/or incorrect statements regarding firearms legislation. There is no requirement for Cat A/B firearms that "the case has to be securely attached to your car whilst transporting to comply with firearm regs".

            Any chance you can back up your other claims for "15% who have firearms stolen from their vehicle" or "the law changes for the back of a wagon, hatch or SUV type of vehicle"???

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              woyoyondie on 16/05/2019 - 23:22

              @OzBragain: Firstly it is a Firearms fact sheet for the "Transportation of Firearms" which is not for a specific category but ALL categories. They are “guidelines” or "recommendations" and the Court may have a different view unless the firearms owner can show their security arrangements were reasonable (or vice versa).

              I didn't feel I needed to quote a category to ask a question regarding the integrity of a case handle which you would now have to pay me to own.

              Secondly the statistic I quoted was provided by a person who has dealings with the Firearms registry, Inspector of Rifle Ranges and is a Range Safety Consultant. I didn't feel like querying it and I certainly won't name them here.

              Thirdly the advice to take the absolute maximum protection you can take to ensure you are under the "reasonable precautions" umbrella came from the same person who was quoting a solicitor who defends Firearms defence charges in NSW.

              I sincerely hope you never run foul of the law and if you do then they believe you took every "reasonable precaution".

              I take this safety business very seriously and so I take things a step further to achieve every "reasonable precaution".

              1: I weld all metallic components of my rifle gear to my car. This can be quite difficult if you have aluminium components. Luckily, my car has aluminium used in portions of its construction. A TIG welder ensures minimal damage through precise heat control. Argon makes for a good shielding gas. The wooden components (it's a material that comes from trees) are screwed to the chassis of the car using shear bolts. I then weld the shear bolts to the steel of the chassis of the car.

              2: I silver solder (braze) my ammunition to a steel ammo box. To stop the ammunition from cooking off due to the heat of brazing torch, I ensure I don't have primers or powder in the cases. I assemble my ammo on the mound, whilst waiting for the electronic target to report back my previous fall of shot. (aside: this is the best way to do it anyway, as you can adjust for elevation by varying powder charge. I hold for the wind. My sights are welded to my rifle.)

              3: I cut my bolt into 3 pieces and weld those to an RSJ (rolled section joist or I-Beam, different to an iBeam, which is made by Apple). I then weld this to my car using a MIG welder and some more Argonshield gas.

              4: I use a trigger lock of course.

              5: I then pour 50MPa concrete with a shredded Kevlar fibre fill into the rear load area of my car, ensuring there are no air gaps via use of a concrete vibrator. The height of the concrete is just below the load barrier blind. I let this cure for 14 days.

              6: I cover the load area with a retractable blind that has been painted by a Matte painter (from the original Star Wars production crew) such that it looks like the load area is filled with rotting fruit. It's amazingly realistic (apart from the smell). I then spray the load area with a specially blended chemical that makes it smell like rotting fruit (got to complete the effect).

              8: I put a bumper sticker on the car that says:

              'There are no guns, firearms or shooting related items in this car. At all. Please move along. Nothing to see here.'

              7: I bury the car in a pit with 3m thick concrete walls and floor (pre-stressed, naturally). I fill the pit with more concrete, then cap the pit with a 2m thick steel lid, with anchors that go into the liquid concrete. I let it set for a further 14 days.

              8: I then get a lift to a range via cab and borrow somebody else's shooting gear.

              How safe is that ? Then again, this probably wouldn't be considered safe enough in Victoria.

              Perhaps I should take up a cheap, safe sport like free-climbing

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                OzBragain on 17/05/2019 - 05:15

                @woyoyondie:

                Firstly it is a Firearms fact sheet for the "Transportation of Firearms" which is not for a specific category but ALL categories.

                Yet you quoted a section headed "What are the requirements for transporting Category A & B firearms?"

                So your statistic is hearsay and can't be backed up, the law doesn't change for different vehicles and the rest is just trolling…clearly I've wasted enough time here.

                You appear to be a talented creative writer, maybe stick to what you're good at.

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  hollawewantprenup on 14/05/2019 - 19:07

  I don't have a gun, let alone several guns, that would necessitate an entire case

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    0jay on 14/05/2019 - 20:52

    +1

    Ahh y don’t know what y missing out on. It’s like I always say to the missus: a case of firearms and ammunition, a palmfull of viagra and thee.

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    OzBragain on 15/05/2019 - 05:25

    Not sure what you think "an entire case" is but these are for transporting 1 or 2 rifles.

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    choodi on 15/05/2019 - 08:17

    You don't have a gun you say? Maybe stay out of the topic then.

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      0jay on 15/05/2019 - 09:33

      That’s the funny thing about firearms. Improperly or criminally used they impact on others with zero interest in guns otherwise. Many good folks of any one of the families effected by any one of the recent shootings are entitled to express views on the topic, even if they have no interest in owning a firearm. That includes the family of Lyra McKee. Funny thing though, you don’t have to have had a family member shot to be entitled to have a view on the subject.

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        choodi on 15/05/2019 - 10:27

        Ummm, this is a bargain website, not a political forum. Want to express your political views, bugger off somewhere else.

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          0jay on 15/05/2019 - 10:36

          @choodi: You, sir, can bugger off before telling people what subjects they are entitled to post on.

          My views are on the subject of bullyboy pseudo intellectuals attempting to control a public forum. Do give it up old boy. There’s a good chap.

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  hollawewantprenup on 15/05/2019 - 21:15

  +1

  Was just quoting Wayne's World you guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGyJOX5wFFg