What Happened to Car Culture?

Have an interesting question for all you car folks here. What happened to the car culture of the 90's?

For some context, when I was growing up and getting into cars, car culture was really different to what we have these days. For most people I know, their first car was a beater that would manage to get them to uni on a good day, but tough luck if it was too cold. When we managed to get a bit more money, we'd be looking at something like the Supra or maybe the MX-5, that was a super cool chic car. There would always be some kid who got his hands on a Lancer (maybe RalliArt) and tried to convince everyone it was an EVO.

I still remember the halo cars were the RX-7, Integra Type R, 300ZX, WRX STi, EVO. I dreamed of an R32 Skyline when I was first getting into the car scene. Remember at uni, there would be car clubs, we'd go to car meets, spend the weekend in the garage fixing our cars, looking at ads of new cars for the next big project…etc. It really seemed like cars were a big deal back then. People actually loved what they drove and it wasn't just a status symbol.

I recently went back to uni to give a presentation and I had a walk through the carpark to see what students were driving these days. No cool cars anymore. No old cars anymore. Seems like everyone drives a Corolla, Mazda 3, bunch of people drive SUVs (never got the appeal of SUVs). The cool kids now drive Golfs, if you're a bit cooler, maybe a BMW or Merc. Seems like the car culture of the 90's is dead and cars have just become a fashion accessory. It's all about the brands and cool features, not about how nice it drives or how much time and effort you put in to make it work.

Seem to see some of the same culture on here when people are looking for car recommendations. People care about things like fuel consumption (never really saw anyone care about that back then), safety features, whether the interior looks "modern", rather than how quick the cars are or how it handles on those windy mountain roads in the wet.

Am I just being nostalgic or have people's tastes about what cool cars are really changed that much? When did all this happen?!

Comments

    • +3

      4) newer cars are harder to modify, and already have plenty of power and all the cool tricks included.

      5) all the older easy to modify cars are getting very long in the tooth and therefore require a whole lot of extra work to get them looking good, parts are becoming very rare. ‘newer’ old cars are expensive to repair with electronic bits that become obsolete.

      There is still a car scene around, but it has changed and probably not as relevant in the inner city areas. In other areas the car scene has changed frm being the fastest to being the best off roader. Twin cab utes are leading the market and getting a new one and stuffing in a lift kit, big wheels bull bar and all the gear is a lot bigger than it used to be.

  • +3

    I'd say the change was probably always going to happen. These things come like fashion, until a new hobby is found. But it certainly was accelerated by:

    • Low disposable income
    • Fuel price increases
    • Increased deterrents in laws/fines
    • Bad public image/media
    • Increased prices for desired models, lower choices for new models
    • Parts shortage
    • Further increased prices in Insurance
    • Loss of Racing Game category (NFS Carbon was the last one, after that its been noting but crappy storylines and mobile Asphalt)
    • Loss of Car Culture Movies (F&F Tokyo Drift was the last one, rest are action movies that have cars)
    • Loss of internet interest in forums, people more interested in Social Media, YouTube, and Video Games

    I think the first point is the major one. Reduce the price of some of these new sports cars and parts, and increase the wages for people working around the ages of 16-26 and I think you will see a major difference. As long as there is no housing crisis (people not affording rent, or having to save up too much for deposit).

    • Loss of Car Culture Movies (F&F Tokyo Drift was the last one, rest are action movies that have cars)

      I'd argue that is more indicative of representation of the society not causing of the shift.

      Lets face it the Fast and the Furious (1) was quite popular, but a large portion of the film was
      * Fighting,
      * robbery,
      * corruption
      * family/friendship bonds
      with some car scenes, the people owned expensive cars but they did not really talk much about the technologies just fluff about the cars spending 10s of or hundred thousand dollars, fast flashing lights and buzz words like NoS

      2 and 3 were just cars and sex and certainly nowhere successful

      4 - onwards just returns to the origins
      Some cars with lots of characters and experiences.

    • +1

      I don't know why but I just remember really not being into Carbon, and there have been plenty of good racing games since then. Just unfortunately nothing like the masterpieces that are Most Wanted/Underground 2. It makes me sad to see what the NFS series has become, over a decade and they still haven't cottoned on to how important modifying and customising your vehicle, which you actually owned, was to their most successful titles. The closest thing we have now is GTA.

      • Reading your fast and furious comment reminded me of this article…. interresring reading

  • +6

    One thing to note is that the "garage" is probably becoming less common among people growing up these days. In an apartment complex, there's probably only room for the family car, and not much additional space (i.e. no driveway you can park in) to be doing additional work on your tuner car.

    Also for me the pace of technological change has rendered the older "fast" cars obsolete. I had a 200sx, which I loved, but compared to modern cars, it isn't much faster than a regular a standard volkswagen golf, and would be absolutely pedestrian compared to the newer hot hatches…
    The insurance and servicing costs were getting ridiculous

    • Yeah lack of garage and/or land.

      Plus modern is better.

  • +4

    5yr old in 1995 - Want to be Astronaut when I grow up.
    5yr old in 2018 - Want to be Youtube star when I grow up.

    With all these Autonomous, Automatic Transmission, Electrification, doors so high you can't see out, 7 years warranty so you can't mod it, cars will live on but not as 'culture' as the days of the pass. I love my cars.

  • -3

    You're 100% right, Supra, mx-5 & Lancers are super cool CHICK cars!

    • They certainly don't have the grunt of a 179 lol.

  • +1

    For some context, when I was growing up and getting into cars, car culture was really different to what we have these days.

    You and your crowd were all younger then. It was the same for me - cars we talked about were Supras, Mitsu FTOs, R32 Skylines, Silvias, RX7s or RX8s, etc.

    Now? Aurions and Priuses and (eugh) crossover SUVs.

  • Policing is far harsher nowadays than it was "back in the day". All my toys are "not for highway use" these days, road cars and road bikes are just an easy way to lose your licence for the tiniest things.

    Also the restrictions on P players, we had no such restrictions back in the day.

  • +1

    It's still alive and well. We're not exactly a populous country. The range of choices in the 90's and 00's were much more interesting and varied compared to now, it's the automakers who don't take risks anymore and continue to try and become more premium. If you're wondering why teens aren't driving these older interesting cars it's usually because of the parents who would prefer them to be safer. My husband's mother wouldn't let him by a car older than a few years. Almost all my dream cars are vintage japanese rides even though I'll likely never be in a position to collect them. I will however be buying a V8 to fulfil my dream of owning one before electric takes over.

    What people aren't really seeing as we're in this transition point between fossil fuels and electric is how the culture will explode out again in the future. Electric platforms are modular, simple, comparatively easy to modify. You can put electric motors and batteries in anything. Electric motors are stupidly powerful. There will come a time when you can 3D print your own custom designed shell or panels and interior parts with ease. All kids are going to be familiar with electronics and even coding. Converting older vehicles to electric and modernising them will only rise in popularity. It may take a couple decades to get there and reach saturation but the possibilities are going to be astounding and I guarantee a lot of fun.

  • +1

    Safety has taken over from personality

  • +1

    Don't disagree OP but would say small groups of like-minded car enthusiasts still lurk out there in the deep dark web (not actually the dark web but forums and Facebook pages). I recently purchased a 2005 Renault Clio sport and joined ozrenaultsport for the socials. I wanted this little car since I read about it holding its own against the Subaru WRX back in 2001 in motor mag!
    Cost me $3.5k and no doubt I'll spend the same again but took it for a quick run the other day and was a blast and keeps me busy tinkering and learning on the weekend.
    I now find myself considering downgrading my daily because seems unecessary with my fun little gokart in the hanger :)

  • +1

    i prefer to spend my money travelling the world then on a car.

    • +2

      I did the opposite. I bought a nice car, then went on a trip.

  • +2

    People aren't buying fun cars because they typically don't exist in a cheaper price bracket anymore. car manufacturers are typically only interested in producing white-goods with an occasional 'sporty' model.

    My tinfoil hat theory: Social media has also helped and hindered car culture. Back in the day (in Sydney) Stanmore maccas, Penrith panthers and the like were the go-to places on a Friday & Saturday night. Eventually these moved on to more organized events which are more heavily patrolled. Mid-week had a few fun spots like the gorge, oldpac and royal nasho, but these days there are multiple FB groups about each of these roads which has raised awareness to both the idiots and police. finding the quiet fun roads for a spirited drive are few and far between.

  • +1

    The era of Japanese cars putting out turbo, rwd performance cars died long ago. There was nothing to pass on that flame. What we idoled back in those days are gone. They stopped making Evo's 6 years ago, where is the silvia? I attribute this to the gfc which was essentially a lost decade or 2 for affordable performance cars. This plus emission regulations effectively killed off any chance. The only one I can think of is the gt86.

    • +1

      The Supra is coming back.

      • At over 150k

        • Nope. It's 59000 USD.

          90 here most likely.

          • @Wallyt99: How cheap!

            may as well buy a tesla….

      • +1

        If it doesn't have stick shift with mechanical throttle, it just won't be the same.

        • It won't be 150k, but yes with no manual trans it is Supra in name only.

  • +2

    still taking out my Evo 9 once a week and loving it!

    lucky to be in a group of mates who all own a 90's/early 2000's sports car as their weekender.

    • I wish I had friends like that. My friends all have babies and driving people movers! I'm the only who refuses to give up my fun.

    • +1

      I have an evo 8 MR. I take it out once every 3 weeks on a short drive. The experience is priceless. So much more fun than a c43 or golf R DSG

  • Car culture is still around. There was not much choice 10 years ago. An 86 or an MX5 is just as fast as most hatches. Wait a few years for mustangs to depreciate and the cool kids will start buying coupes again.

    • you're joking right? my mums corolla is faster than an 86. They are probably the worst car to buy. Not only do they look tackey with the lancer rice lights but they are slow.

      • Mx5 were pretty much always slow too, but still heaps of fun. A slow car can be heaps of fun if it handles well and you are less likely to run foul if the law.

      • I'm not the biggest advocate for the 86 but there's more to life than straight lines.

        • Power isn't everything, but any modern hot hatch like a Golf GTi, Civic Type R, or i30 N will spank those two cars around a circuit too, not just on the straights. They're also around the same price bracket, and far more practical for everyday use.

          • @SydStrand: Definitely more practical, faster and livable for sure, but definitely not in the same price bracket, the cheapest of those, the i30N is easily 10k more expensive. Those 2 cars easily have better steering and gearboxes as well, with the added benefit of not feeling like your driving a boat every time you turn the wheel

            • +1

              @cille745: The 86 poverty pack is $32k before on-roads and MX-5 is $35k (more if you want targa top). The i30 N is $40k but comes with much better kit than those two. A $5-8k difference puts the i30 N firmly in that ballpark if you want affordable performance.

              Now, if the 86 started at $24-25k like it should (it launched in 2012), then maybe.

              • @SydStrand: Can definitely agree, though if you're buying a car for kit, you were never interested in the 86 in the first place

      • you're joking right? my mums corolla is faster than an 86.

        No, you're joking right? You brought up your mother on the internet… and WE ARE STATING THE SAME POINT!!!

        An 86 or an MX5 is just as fast as most hatches.

        Wait a few years for mustangs to depreciate and the cool kids will start buying coupes again.

        Feel free to start another imaginary argument below.

      • Yeah they are 'slow'cars for those who think gas pedal on straightline is the only fun part of driving.. :p

        • Things have changed.

          These days, takes very little skill to drive a car "fast" thanks to technology - dual clutch auto, electronic LSD, electric assisted steering (remember torque steering), force induction engines are much more reliable.

          So… some skills required to drive fast on 3 pedals no longer the case… rev-matching is becoming a dinosaur.

  • I think the problem is new cars have been boring for several years now, but as someone else mentioned there is still a massive interest in classic cars.
    Most classic cars owners are involved in car clubs, but regular cars events seem to have an increasing following.

    For example, the last "Classic Cars & Coffee" event in Perth had over 500 cars turn up.
    It really is an amazing sight, even if you are not that into cars.
    http://classiccarsandcoffee.com/
    https://www.facebook.com/perthclassiccarsandcoffee/

    I guess you tend not to see so many around local Uni car parks, etc. Maybe due to the increasing costs & substantially cheaper "boring" options that people use for their daily drives.

  • +1

    no one wants to drive a rice burner with tacky wheels

    Its all about luxury and performance now. Car culture is still around just not with crappy cars they had back in the 90's

    • +1

      It’s also changed to focus on handling and power, moving away from crazy paint jobs and silly stereos so the modified cars aren’t as obvious now.

  • +3

    how much time and effort you put in to make it work.

    That was a positive aspect about older cars?

    Personally I'm glad we're no longer relying on British-Leyland levels of reliability and workmanship on vehicles in a country like Australia, where public transport is still an afterthought in urban planning.

    I can only imagine what the previous generation had to put up with, in their clapped out Kingswoods and Geminis, rolling the dice each morning as to whether you could leave home or not, as your hunk of pig-iron spluttered into life.

    Drivers under 25 years old these days have no idea how unreliable most vehicles were until the early-1990s and how spending hours tinkering with your car just to get it to start reliably was an accepted fact of life with car ownership.

  • Driving no longer symbolizes independence.
    Less younger people are getting their licenses.
    Cars are less important to many of them.
    Those who do have cars are often funded or given by parents which was rarer (with those I knew back in the 90's)
    Many new uni students or year 12 grads get gifted cars (from what I have seen), if thats a Kia whatever or a VW polo \ Golf or if you're really luck a BMW or Merc something.
    Something I've noticed in my place of work is that anything hands on you do with your car (repairs, mods etc) is looked down upon either because you get your hands dirty, its seen as unnecessary due to dealers who service their cars or just the media bias that anyone with a non standard car is a danger to society.

    Safety, lots of parents wanting their kids to have something much safer than we grew up with and are in a position to help financially which was not as much of a thing back when I was in the same position, I had a number of sub $1k cars until I had money to buy something better.

    Mod availability is much less on many modern cars, the cross over of parts from other higher spec models to lower spec isn't desired as its just bought with the bits you want.

    Dashcam's, Police, Speed and other cameras, the ability to take a video of someone doing something a little silly and then reporting it or having the person shamed or caught online is huge and the backlash severe meaning if you want to go fast go to the track, rather than the old Pac at 2am during the week for a bit of fun where no one was hurt apart from some egos and a few bumpers at times, many lessons were learned however.

    I've not seen any more events like super-cruise and other cruises as its looked down upon and gets bad media coverage.
    Autosalon is over, even big car audio systems and SPL events are much fewer and further between.

  • Mate what are you talking about? Still smashing sick burn outs on me done up Daewoo Lanos.

  • the new supra dosent help with continuing Japanese performance car culture either

  • +5

    I sold my Supra last year.

    The car culture you're talking of still exists, but it does feel like it's dying. The thing is, these cars are getting expensive, old and rare to find clean examples. GTRs are stupid money these days. Insurance costs are through the roof. Uni students can't really afford them. Older owners don't have the time to always be going to meets and hanging out at kebabs and car washes - so you see less on the road.

    There is also way more police presence. Just driving an import these days essentially means you're doing something wrong - and this was one the reasons I sold up. I had a mate who went from a Supra to an E92 M3 - he got pulled over after exiting a car park and chirping his tyres a bit. Cop told him, "Nice car mate, I get it, they're a bit of fun - time and place. Just be sensible." No way in a million years would he have gotten that attitude in a Supra.

    Car forums are certainly dead - and have been replaced with facebook groups. Which has been detrimental to the communal knowledge pool. DIY threads, stickies, sharing of knowledge for these cars have all but disappeared. The facebook groups suck in comparison. Half the time it's sharing memes, the other half is giving shit to other people.

    Most people I knew with supras and other imports also had dailys. Some drove their cars often, but a lot let them sit in the garage most of the time. Which again contributes to culture somewhat fading away.

    • Just guessing here, but compared to the amount of cars on the road in the 90's compared to now may be another reason why people don't want to go out in their now rare manual cars

  • I was thinking the same thing couple of weeks ago but have come to realisation that I am just getting old and no longer have the passion for cars and therefore no longer noticing nice cars. I think these days we still have somewhat HALO cars but they are more subtle as in Golf GTI, C63, A45, RS3 etc… Unfortunately Japanese cars we get these days have lost mojo and are rather average at best…
    To truly love cars in the same way we did in the 90's, you have to look after it, wash it, service it, polish it etc…and unfortunately most millennials cannot be bothered to do that….

    • and unfortunately most millennials cannot be bothered to do that…

      I can also attest to that too….haahahaha

  • +5

    In the University i work at students drive ferraris, maseratis, bmws, AMGs etc. Much better cars than most staff, like me who drives a camry :(.

    • +4

      How many are white aussies lol

      • +1

        About 25%.

        50%=asian
        25%=indian
        25%=white

        Well thats the future anyway.

        • -1

          you mean
          5% white
          95% non white

    • were they high yielding students?

    • "Crazy Rich Asians". I wonder how long until the cashed up Communists buy our country outright? How much is Australia worth?

      • Liberal sold much of it already.

        • It was Rudd who greatly relaxed foreign property ownership laws.

          • @freakatronic: I was referring to key infrastructures. Properties get sold, and then more gets build.

            Not infrastructures.

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: Both parties (and the greens) are happy to sell us out.

    • +1

      ANU?

  • Also I think as we get older, priorities change and you get cars that suit the lifestyle. 2 of my mates are super into fishing now, a done up GTI and a street sweeper WRX was not the right type of car to be towing their boats around. I still think car culture is there, just not as prevalent as it used to be. And like other people said, those "halo" cars like GTR's etc are stupidly expensive.

    • +1

      That's why you have a daily, a trackie, that single cab that only ever goes to Bunnings, and the one with the ridgey mud caked tires.

      Priorities. I prioritise everything.

      • Wish I could afford to have multiple cars.

        • Old beater Utes are cheapish.

  • +1

    My motorbike goes faster and costs less, that's why I don't really have much interest in cars.

    • Personally agree, but the car culture was something different than just performance per dollar.

      I'm not really in it any more so don't know for sure but to me it seems there is a larger "biker culture" than ever before. More modded performance bikes, more custom Harleys, more well fitted out tourers - haven't seen a Goldwing in years though!!

    • In recent years, websites like howsafeisyourcar have gained traction in response to modern priorities.

      Last time I read a 2018 AMCN issue, there was the usual refrain of "record low learner rates". In the 80s it was common to get your bike permit first.

    • +1

      one mistake, lights out

      • Then I won't be around to care

        • +1

          Death is by no means the worst thing that can happen to you on a motorbike.

          • @freakatronic: Then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I don't see the point in living in constant fear of what ifs.

  • +5

    I used to complain that the car scene had died, because everyone was driving

    RX-7, Integra Type R, 300ZX, WRX STi, EVO (s) etc

    and I had come up playing with old V8 holdens, fords, and valiants. (still do) This new generation playing with their plastic fantastic crap were destroying a culture that meant something to us.

    But this just goes to show, the scene doesn't die, we just get relegated to the pages of history books as we age.
    We still do car shows, and club runs, and we still show out in force. But we are certainly a different looking demographic to todays golf, merc and beamer kids, just as we were to the kids of the 90s in their ralliart evos.
    Although we are seeing alot more young blokes coming back to the cars of the 60s/70s now.

  • +2

    We know it's you Dominic Toretto.

  • +2

    I grew up with the same car culture but unfortunately we have to be realistic and come to terms with the fact that the cost of owning and maintaining said cars are ever increasing with a car's age. I currently drive an Integra but for the same purchase price these days, its hard to convince someone to buy a 150,000kms+ car for the same price as a brand new base model civic. However, the new cars these days lack the personality as a car from the 90s, prove me wrong.

    • MX5…

  • I think the car scene is there, but you have to find it. In forums or facebook pages. It helps if you friend up with a few people through these networks. I've been on the OzAudi site when I had my TT. Got some help, but didn't really do meet ups. Been on the OzRenault site. That's good. Met a few people through that and been on drives in our RS Clios and RS Meganes. They aren't exclusive. If someone wants to come for a drive they are welcome whatever car they drive. We had a little Toyota Yaris come on a drive. Just fun.

    I think also you have to have the time to tinker with your car and it probably helps if there is someone that has a bit more car knowledge to help to work through mods etc. Plus you need the space.

    I would say that the VW and Golf fans would be big.

  • +2

    No one wants to drive manual. Everyone thinks they're hectic with their auto merc, audi or vw that has paddle shift. I get it, they're quicker, easier to drive, but as I mentioned, hardly anyone wants to drive manual. Ha, I struggle to drive auto!

    It's kind of a good thing when the scene dies. I just need it to die a little more so I can get a series 8 rx7, ST165, 185, 205 celica GT4, MR2 turbo, 2JZ supra, R32 GTR, etc etc :D

    I think a major factor is that guys and girls that grew up with these cars, say in the 1990s and dreamed of these cars are now 30+. Some doing well for themselves and now cashed up to buy their childhood dream cars. Look at the price jump of a 2JZ supra or a GC8 WRX STI for example.

    So these cars are out of reach these days or not worth paying that much for a 20+ year old car.

    • I am 27 and drive an auto with paddle shift

      I havent driven a manual car since i was 17 and that was a rare occasion. It just doesnt make sense to me to have a manual car these days when a good auto with paddle shift will keep me happy in traffic and during a spirited drive

      Next car will be an older JDM manual tho but i cant imagine myself commuting to work in a manual (especially with limited experience with manual cars, i feel like i would destroy the thing in the first week).

  • Whilst it might be a little off topic, but the 4wd scene is bigger than ever.

    • 4wd/camping & touring maybe.

      The hardcore diy modified (non competition) 4wdriving scene has tapered off somewhat in many areas.

      • The number of lifted (everythings) driven by young blokes in regional areas is insane. If I could go back, I'd open a TJM.

  • It exists. You need to find the right forums and groups.
    You won't find it or answers on where to find it on ozbargain. Instead you'll get the opposite like many posts above.

  • As others have said these cars are becoming very expensive, the Swinburne club is still very active and each major VIC uni had decent clubs around 2014~15.

    I think as costs go up of both cars and living, luxuries need to be sacrificed, FD RX7s and Supras are pushing well above 30k now!

    • Would love an FD, just can't afford to keep it.

    • Do you speak from experience? I go to Swinburne but can't find a car club on their website and would definitely want to join.

      • Look up SUCC Motorsport and join the FB group Swinburne Uni Car Club. Last year we had 5 or 6 events, 1 at Winton, 2 drift camps, 2 hill climbs, it is certainly the biggest car club out of all the unis.

        We have a 2 day drift camp at Wilby March 30/31, I will be there helping out with official stuff and heading to Winton for Nugget Nationals on the 31st with my swift sport for her track debut!

        The club is mainly track orientated now, maybe 2-3 years ago there were a few meets with other clubs but they have all died.

        The clubs portal is terrible and the uni has continually tried to pull funding from clubs, particularly the car club due to it's size. More members = more money and we have a lot of members. Last year they tried to make us a "sporting club" to pull our funding, requiring us to have an event per week and compete in a regular competition - ridiculous.

  • I've seen so many Evo 7's last few days all shmicked up lol.

    I'm actually trying to hunt down a miata at the moment

  • Things definitely aren’t what they used to be.. I think a lot of the Forums have died out with Facebook and Instagram sort of taking over.. almost all of my mates are into cars and generally most of us have met through cars. I still tinker or do something on one of my cars daily. I wash them weekly and I go for a “spirited drive” up north or down south at least every couple of weeks.

    I am looking at buying a house later this year and my first consideration is whether it’s at least a double garage and multiple off street parking. I don’t think I’ll ever be out of cars. I’ve had imports like Silvia’s, I’ve currently got a 1972 Corolla and a 2010 Megane RS + a work van.

  • Back in the days you had to rice your car to make it look cool, or modify it to make it go fast. Cars now days are factory riced and depending on your coin you can buy a fast performing riced car.

    The culture is not completely dead and people still meet up at race days or club meets. People I know that have grown older drive their respectable family suv's or corporate cars during the week and go home on the weekends to take their 20+ year old evo, wrx, gtr etc out for a burn. Racing on the road is too risky these days and police now have vehicles that are capable in keeping up unlike the 90's and early 00's when all they had were poo handling BT1 Falcodores

    • and police now have vehicles that are capable in keeping up

      I thought police don't engage in pursuits anymore because they've gone soft.

    • River vs tuner vs sleeper…

      I’d take the sleeper!

  • +2

    I think part of the answer is simple - you got older, and got "over" it. Not completely, but the magic of it, and you're thinking fondly of those younger days when things were new and exciting. It's most likely a subconscious filter that you have to ignore the ricey stuff.

  • +1

    Car culture is dying because a rapidly and terminally declining proportion of youngsters will ever own a car.

    The manufacturers are waking up to this and scrambling to secure a foothold in autonomous cars / mobility services to compete with Uber Google et al.

  • Feels pretty revisionist. So much car culture still around. I know so many 'drifters', average Joe's who might track, drag or burnout comp their daily once a year.

    Petrol was cheaper and the uni kids before the 2000s had the most efficient cars, 4 banger sports things or mirage rumabouts etc. Now we have more choice for tiny little cars and performance has elevated too.

    My daily is 250+kw at the wheels. You can buy a run about that does similar 0kmph to the speed limit times. I know people pushing 400+kw in their dailies.

    I'd take a bnr34 or mk4 supra still but I cant afford a classic for only the weekends plus the maintenance and rising costs of these vehicles and similar.

    • Feels pretty revisionist. So much car culture still around.

      I'm not saying that there is no car culture at all, but I find that it's all relegated to car washes and kebab joints and car meets. You just don't see modified cars the way you used to on the streets.

      My daily is 250+kw at the wheels. You can buy a run about that does similar 0kmph to the speed limit times. I know people pushing 400+kw in their dailies.

      Not really about the power. Today's cars are much more powerful than the last generation. That trend has been going for a while now. Truth is that today's V6 Camry will outrun almost anything from back before the 2000's in a straight line. My point is more about cars being a canvas for self-expression and being someone's pride and joy. It's easy to rock up at a VW dealership and buy a Golf R on finance. Same can't be said about some of the rarer JDMs from back then. There was some certain level of respect you had to give someone who put the time, effort and labour into their passion. I can't have the same sort of respect for someone driving a stock Golf R on finance, you know what I mean?

      • Thats because laws have gotten stricter but trust me there are still a heap of cars around that are defectable because the owner has changed things, added bits and let other things go. Uni students definitely seem to have newer cars than ever before and probably more trust fund kids due to years of wealth disparity.

    • What's your daily driver?

  • Youth culture is youtube, twitch and dabbing on the daily now

    • Actually yes that is very true, I can verify and confirm that statement……..

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