Check your Flybuys offers. I received the following.
Collect 1,000 BONUS POINTS On ANY Gillette razors & blades (excl. disposable razors).
Found these https://shop.coles.com.au/a/a-vic-metro-richmond-south/produ… for $3.92 each so based on 1000 points being worth $5 you are making $1.08 on each one you buy and getting a free lady razor! Up to a maximum of 10.
Note the exclusion for disposables if you purchase another product.
So Coles has ordered truckloads of Gillette products, and now finds them hard to sell?
after their recent ad campaign shit show, I can see why.
How is a shit show? As far as I can tell, all the people offended are exactly the people the ad is targeting…
Mistymoo, As far as I can tell, people making these type of generalised statements are the problem in the first place!
What bollocks, Gillette is now finding out that playing games like this has consequences.
Not all men are rapists, not all men are bullies. Yet this ad portrays the majority of men as rapists and bullies and clearly says that some men act the right way.
Nearly every bad guy in the video is white and every good guy is black.
I've always used Gillette shavers but no more and the same goes for other Procter & Gamble products and brands. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there.
@Maverick-au: You are probably seeing what you want to see.
I went and canvas another male’s opinion on this ad. He said he definitely did not see this ad as portraying all men as rapists and bullies. He even added that the message is on-point and should be spread.
I suppose secure males and those who already ‘say the right thing, act the right way’, do not have a problem with the ad.
This issue is just an instantiation of the wider common problem of dominance and control over the weak.
@bluesky: Maybe you should have spoken to a genuine man and not a soyboy. The message being delivered is not in question and what your soyboy friend is not correct.
@Maverick-au: He is smiling because IRL, as he said, he has dealt and bested many of your kind before - and they have scattered and ran. By your phrasing, you sound like a bully, no wonder the message of the ad is so threatening. And you wish for the status quo.
PS He really hates bullies.
lol. there was a loophole this morning, you could buy as many as you want and get unlimited amount of points. Seems like they are going to honour it if you did it before 2PM. (Unsure how much of it they will honour though).
I guess they caught on to those people who decided to rock up and buy up all the stock to build their Flybuys points balance.
Like the dog food thing.
Gillette should stick to what it knows, selling razors, not political messages.
The only way they will learn is to boycott their products which is easy to do as there are plenty of alternatives. I love my Mach 3 turbo but the pricks moved production to Vietnam from Germany recently for most shavers sold into Australia and kept the price the same despite the new stock being a lot cheaper. Europe etc still get German made.
Hopefully enough real men will boycott to offset the soyboys that will flock to Gillette now. Schick need to make a move quickly to promote real men in advertising.
Gillette…LOL
"The best a man can get"… LOL
"The best a man can get his wife's boyfriend"
Boy will be boys.
surprised we aint calling for coles to be boycotted for this promotion
Or the state Coles is registered in!
It's not really Coles' fault. They made a large order before Gillette made a very bad decision and are now stuck with a pile of junk to get rid of because they won't sell normally. Don't get mad at Coles for trying to salvage some of their money back. Blame proctor and gamble for directly attacking a demographic that accounts for 80% of Gillette's customer base with racist and misandrist drivel.
Can anyone tell me if I'm doing something wrong? I never get offers on specific products (or ranges of products) like this. The only offers I get on either of my flybuys accounts (mine/wife's) are the 'spend x $ get y points' or 'spend x $ in 2 consecutive weeks get y points', occasionally I'll get a Liquorland voucher, but never anything like the offer here. I'm using the flybuys app, is there another way to access these?
Gillette products are shit and overpriced anyways.
My wife's son loves the Gillette advertising campaign. He's very woke, unlike his father.
Can I get an okay from another man to see if it's okay to buy a piece of shit product?
K thx.
Since you are inherently a piece of shit yourself (being a male), you may. Make sure you apologise though.
Only if you stop bullying and raping and repent your sins. And stop drinking cow's milk and replace with soy. As for meat, tofu is a good replacement.
Damm not targeted.
Unlike the ad which targeted all white men as rapists and bullies!
400 bonus points with Pride and Punch pops lol. That's definitely not yielding me a profit.
Combine with Gillette soy shaving lotion for full effect.. and soon you'll stop the common manly urge to sexually harass the girl at the deli counter
Lol, lots of triggered dudes here. Every normal dude from the sidelines have no problem with it.
Define normal
Please see bluesky's brilliant comment below which explains it to you. Please stop embarrassing yourselves.
You are just pushing what you want to push, I said define normal.
OfTheOverflow refers to the normal dude as the ones with the heart :-)
Personally, I refer to those who will do the right thing, irrespective of whether they are in the majority or minority.
Pre and during WWII, in Germany, the norm was to support the Nazi party. This did not make them right.
According to Gillette the average man is a crude rapey brute I think I'm fine with not being a "normal dude" if it's by their standards.
I've never really liked normal dudes, especially these new ones… that was me a few years ago until I gorged on red pills. It's weird, whenever something becomes mainstream I don't seem to fit in LOL
There are many good and enlightened people (men and women) in our western society – that is why we have made the progress as far as we did. But we can always improve (if nothing else, to lower mental health issues of people in society).
I always believe at the core, the issues we confront are related to human-nature in general – the bad part of - and is not confined to any gender/race/class/religion etc. I prefer to characterise this overarching issue as ‘toxic dominance’ or ‘toxic power’. Bad people/villains of any gender/race/class – have always seek dominance and control over others perceived as weaker. At the heart of it, the issue is generic – domination, and bullying. (E.g clans decimating other clans, crusades/religious wars, caste system, racism, anti-semitism, sexism, gay hate, slavery etc)
But the #MeToo debate has brought the phrase toxic masculinity into focus – which is easily misunderstood as attacking the male gender and their inate traits. When in fact, it is referring to the adverse aspects of the 'cultural construction of manhood’.
This culture considers the following traits as ideal for men :-
Anyone who seriously think that someone who disrespects a person of a different gender/race etc, will somehow stop at you, because you are a male of the same background, is misguided. Particularly, if you do not attain high enough or ‘alpha male’ status. Everyone can be fair game in due time in this culture. As a male, try challenging an alpha male, and you see the results.
It is damaging for individuals and society – and is a factor for the alarming mental illness and suicide statistics we see with males. I happened to see this documentary yesterday – What's Killing America's White Men? BBC News – it is a stark depiction of this issue.
One can argue if the ad can be done better, but the message nevertheless is relevant. For self-interest, even as a male, this message is worth supporting :-)
But but everyone gets offended when people use the term 'African' gang violence, but somehow toxic 'masculinity' is acceptable?
But but everyone gets offended when people use the term 'African' gang violence
Who is everyone you are referring to?
My belief is: the best way to seek the truth is debate based on facts, not get offended.
You are probably the first person on the other side to actually be constructive instead of pointing out that if I have a problem with this I must be doing what the ad says.
I have always been taught from a young age to not be racist and sexist, to judge on the individual.
Nowadays if I find something wrong with something they just call you racist even though you didn't mean it that way.
Every time I look on social media there is a #metoo and all this stuff which is fine these things happen women do get some unfair stuff which needs to be called out on.
But now there's an ad about this from a men's shaving company, it's just getting out of hand.
So what are you suggesting?
We start calling out every issue?
Cause from what I can see here this will only separate people further.
@fadeinthemix: It is OK to disagree, and debate about things. In the academic and scientific spheres, such rigorous debates are how advancements are made. In society too, from the days of slavery, suffragette movement, segregation, apartheid etc – it is courageous people standing up for injustices, who made society better.
Nowadays if I find something wrong with something they just call you racist even though you didn't mean it that way.
Many will resort to the tactic of personal attacks – especially when they have no valid evidence to present regarding the issue being debated.
The personal attacks or bullying is intended to intimated or anger you, and to shift the focus away from the issue at hand. You should not be angry, or intimidated by it. In your example, you know you are not a racist – so why should it make you uneasy? You should only be bothered if the label is true.
Same with this ad – if you know you do not condone the toxicity portrayed in the ad, why would you feel uneasy? Or think it is referring to you as the perpetrator?
With any social change, there is a segment of society that will resist the change. Not surprisingly, they will try to derail the message. In this case, they encourage the narrative that 'the ad calls all men rapists and bullies' to get people on their side. They will also try to shut down good and secure men who do not agree with the narrative, using Bullying 101 - calling them names, as illustrated here
But now there's an ad about this from a men's shaving company, it's just getting out of hand.
So what are you suggesting?
As I said before, it boils down to an issue of domination, power and control. Why would you see calling out such bad behaviour as getting out of hand? We are at the cusp of a social change. Good social changes always look chaotic when it is happening, but leaves a better world behind.
Think about it:
we all have loved ones – mother, wife/gf, sister, daughter, sons, brothers. Would you not like to see a world where they do not face this bullying issue at workplace or in school?
This poem by Martin Niemöller illustrates why sometimes trying to keep your head down, and hope that the bullies won’t come for you, does not pay:
‘First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.'
Good men who have the courage to call out bad behaviour can really make a difference. When I was still fresh in my career, I worked in a technical team, headed by a manager and deputy manager. One lunchtime, a colleague bragged about how he controlled his wife, would not give her a credit card, and dictated her spending money. Both my manager and deputy manager expressed their disapproval, virtually asking him what if it was him on the other shoe. Due to this, he no longer felt so smug to brag about controlling his wife within the team anymore. It sent a powerful message to other team members, what they considered was a proper way to act, as men.
For him personally, it didn’t do much good, presumably he persisted in his dominating behaviour. A year or so later, with a tiny toddler, they divorced. He had mental issues. After a while, he decided to become an inspirational speaker! Yeah, strange, I know. This also goes to show, that perpetrators do not always escape scot-free, but do pay a price. My belief is: life has a way of keeping score, and this is one example of that.
We start calling out every issue?
Cause from what I can see here this will only separate people further.
Clearly, as individuals, we cannot call out every issue. We do what we can – by calling out some issues when the opportunity arise.
IRL I had to fight some elder abuse issues. Which tore the family apart, and had significant personal costs. But it was the right thing to do, despite the costs.
My managers calling out bad behaviour – was also a contribution to a better society.
As to your argument that it separates people, what is your alternative? Let the bullies perpetuate their behaviour without challenge?
@bluesky: Same with this ad – if you know you do not condone the toxicity portrayed in the ad, why would you feel uneasy? Or think it is referring to you as the perpetrator?
As I said before, it boils down to an issue of domination, power and control. Why would you see calling out such bad behaviour as getting out of hand? We are at the cusp of a social change. Good social changes always look chaotic when it is happening, but leaves a better world behind.
I do not condone this behavior not at all, but I felt that it wasn't Gillette's place to do so this could of been done better.
Which I also don't condone other people saying I must do the things in the ad and that I am part of the problem.
As to your argument that it separates people, what is your alternative? Let the bullies perpetuate their behaviour without challenge?
When I was going past the Valley on a Friday night there was a girl walking alone and men slowed down beeped at her and catcalled then drove off.
This Ad didn't stop the people that do this stuff in the first place, I would call that behavior out or tell her that it's not okay for them to do that but I didn't want to be labelled part of the problem.
It also makes me think if a company such as Gillette thinks men are toxic, I have to be even more careful around women. Which can never be a good thing.
@fadeinthemix: I will address your points, but not in order – to avoid repetition.
It also makes me think if a company such as Gillette thinks men are toxic …
I have explained this before :
… the phrase toxic masculinity(bustle.com) into focus – which is easily misunderstood as attacking the male gender and their inate traits. When in fact, it is referring to the adverse aspects of the 'cultural construction of manhood’.
To paraphrase, Gillette does not think men are toxic. However, the culture practised by some men is toxic. The message is to get rid of this culture. See it in the same light as racism, which existed from dawn of time. Even in the past, not all people are racists, but a culture, e.g., Apartheid is racist. Those who wanted Apartheid to remain would have happily spun the narrative that ''Apartheid is calling all whites in South Africa racists''. I have known white South Africans back during Apatheid era, who do not subscribe to the system.
I have to be even more careful around women. Which can never be a good thing.
If this bothers you, spare a thought for the victims of this culture, and of any kind of bullying, who have to go through this day in and day out.
No group is beyond bad behaviour. Will there be bad women who try to exploit this? Sure. E.g. That woman who tried to beat herself up, and blame the husband. She should face proper punishment.
All victims (irrespective - men, women etc) always have to learn to navigate the society, to minimise damage to themselves. Try to learn to judge character, read motives, avoid manipulations, take precautions. Then you will be OK. Because even though there are some nasty people everywhere, there are also many good people, who will appreciate the helping hand.
I do not condone this behavior not at all, but I felt that it wasn't Gillette's place to do so this could of been done better.
Any political party, company, individual who speak up and make a stand against any bullying group (in its various forms) – always risk retaliation and consequences. In this case, Gillette risk backlash and lost sales. They put principle above profits, a very courageous thing to do.
Yes, Gillette made the ad dramatic. (Sort of like the HIV bowling ad of the past). It is very difficult to send a succinct message in a short ad, which do not offend anyone, yet effective in summing up the issue.
Which I also don't condone other people saying I must do the things in the ad and that I am part of the problem.
Refer point (1) – you are not part of the problem if you do not believe in the culture.
As for whether you want to contribute to stamp out a bad culture, that is up to you. Standing up for a right thing does have personal costs – and it is right to weigh the costs in every individual circumstance. Fortunately, the costs here, even in the gravest of circumstance, is nothing like those brave souls who hid Jews from the Nazis.
When I was going past the Valley on a Friday night there was a girl walking alone and men slowed down beeped at her and catcalled then drove off.
This Ad didn't stop the people that do this stuff in the first place, I would call that behavior out or tell her that it's not okay for them to do that but I didn't want to be labelled part of the problem.
Again, what you choose to do is up to you and your conscience. Personally, I would think telling her what she encountered was not okay behaviour, would have greatly comforted another human being. I still do not understand how in doing so, you will be labelled part of the problem – but if that is how you read that situation, it is your right.
One other thing I find is useful. To reduce manipulation by mob mentality, inaccurate characterisations of issues etc – I always try to seek the truth. Nowadays, manipulation is easy in social media. We learn about existence of foreign and local agitators in social media, how they manipulate by twisting the truth, sow chaos and discord to weaken a society. So being aware and not be riled up – but take time to study issues is ever more important than before.
Once again, I find the narrative that ''this ad portrays all men as rapists and bullies'' to be highly mischievous.
@bluesky: Well said. The fact that your well reasoned and placating comments received 2 negative votes is disappointing.
@Yola: There is a segment who wants the right to continue misbehaving, so negs from them carry very little value.
Unlike comments like yours, which has great value. Thank you! :-)
It’s probably Gillette trying to boost sales so they can claim the ad campaign has been a success.
The ad hasn’t been out long so I doubt coles will have a backlog yet.
The ad was a great success for the ad company but not for proctor and gamle’s sales.
Wonder if they lose the contract.
Madmen at the ad company and in the ad lol
Gillette? We don’t know her
What were they thinking.
Thanks, Valentines Day sorted.