MSY are currently running a deal on Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD on their website. Now the deal for 2.5" SATA one is available on their eBay store at the same price as well, so you can make use of the eBay coupon code. I'm not sure the deal end on (5th July) or till PLATYPUS end.
Free shipment requires an eBay Plus Membership, 30 day free trial available.
Thanks to TA for the Original 10% off Sitewide on eBay Deal Post, and remember to use cashback.
At least their website is legible on ebay lol
if you can't read their website then you must be blind, can't read or stupid
What is not legible about this?
Lol, you must be new to msy
no I look at msy websites a few times
what is unreadable about their website?
plus they got the popular parts.pdf file
all prices for all their products a few pages for you quickly compare prices
name another site that has this.
Whilst their customer service is direct and no very good
but you get what you paid for.
Want some salesman to kiss your ass and follow you, then go to Harvey Norman
Haha nah their current website is fine. The joke really is about when they first started up, the website looked like it was done in ms paint.
yes I saw their website when it first started, it was shit
don't even what its like much anymore.
But your joke didn't worked, cos you didn't reference the history of the site
Anyone who has been to their current website would not get your joke.
Last updated - August 2002
first time I heard of this..
well at least we can tell if they have stock on ebay
is this much better than kingston A400 ?
as in last longer ? (i know it's faster)
still hitting myself for missing out on the 360gb intel MLC 535s @ $75
Can't comment on the 860 since it's so new, but if it's anything like the 850 EVO they are incredibly reliable in my experience (very large sample size), Samsung is the only brand I personally consider.
Spoken like someone who didn't buy the 840 series :p
The way they treated their customers was pretty poor. Samsung Australia was still telling customers they were mistaken about the problems with their SSDs even after the international arm had finally acknowledged the issues after months of denials.
I'll still use Samsung if the price is right, but they're far from my first choice. I've bought 3 of their drives (sold off my 840).
Speaking from my perspective of having worked in a computer retailer for over 2 years, sold thousands of SSD's, and the Samsung 840/850's and continuing the trend 860's have by far been the most reliable in my experience in comparison to Kingston, Crucial, and Sandisk. I know my colleagues and myself would not choose anything besides a Samsung SSD.
I did a AHCI hotplug Seagate disk spinner and the connected 860 EVO running the boot OS died instantly. It's sensitive to inductive spikes. I done this to a few other SSDs and many more HDDs non has damaged.
I would buy the 860evo for TBW and Nvme all the way if possible.
3 vs 5 year warranty. That how much confident the manufacturers put in these products.
In the real world there are not enough data to draw conclusions.
Looks like the 860 has a clear lead on warranty duration, TBW and MTBF.
860 250GB:
* Warranty: 5 Years
* Total Bytes Written (TBW): 150 TB
* Life expectancy (MTBF): 1.5 million hours
A400 240GB:
* Warranty: 3 Years
* Total Bytes Written (TBW): 80 TB
* Life expectancy (MTBF): 1.0 million hours
MX500 250GB:
* Warranty: 5 Years
* Total Bytes Written (TBW): 100 TB
* Life expectancy (MTBF): 1.8 million hours
Sources:
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-st…
https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/consumer/sa400s37
https://www.crucial.com/wcsstore/CrucialSAS/pdf/product-flye…
Eidt* Added info for Crucial
You say you know its faster and lasts longer, so what are you asking?
Yes its much better, the 500GB version is better again though, as with all TLC with pSLC cache drives they run out of steam, then you want as many flash chips behind as you can get to keep it running well.
So yes its as good as a TLC 250GB SATA drive gets, which by todays standards is very good or ok, depending on the task.
So sad at the lack or "pro" bargains.
I find my own though. I stocked up on ~$300 512GB 970 Pros before Amazon cut me off. Ive also got plenty of SM951/SM961 to keep me going for years :P
What are your benchmarks like for the SM951 and SM961s?
Like an equivalent 950/960 Pro, since they are the same drives.
Ran an 840 Evo (250GB) for years and then moved it out of my desktop into a 2012 MacBook and it's still going strong. It was replaced in my desktop by a 500gb 850 Evo and it too is faster and just as reliable. Very tempting to pick up an 860 when the right deal pops up!
I hope your 850 EVO is more reliable than the 840 :P The 840 series were fundamentally flawed.
Which patch firmware are you running? The first patch or the second patch?
Agreed. My 840 (non-EVO) died within 12 months. Very little use. Samsung RMA service was good though.
840 EVO - the old data read slow down issue - all we get at the end is a workaround built into firmware (and that's the second patch, first patch didn't fix (workaround) the issue). Still have one (but not using it heavily). Heard another OZBer RMA'ed his already.
@netsurfer: The slow-down issue affected the non-EVO 840 as well, but it was experienced as a more gradual slowdown. While I had one, I just ran Puran's DiskFresh every 3 months. I sold it to someone after explaining the issue and the workaround.
Last longer? Non-issue if you trust the brand.
Beyond that we can't say unless we find out about specific issues with a particular model.
Samsung is the most reliable brand right now, would purchase it over another brand even if its slightly more expensive. Hopefully that changes, heard the new crucials are pretty good too.
Some of the Samsung SSDs do have inferior failure rate than others (they do also have ones with above average record in terms of reliability). There is, however, no doubt, that Samsung 840 turned out to be one of the worst in terms of reliability, endurance (and the infamous read issue).
Don't just look at the brand. The pattern for Samsung appears to be their first gen of new technology tend to be less reliable. It's the case for planar TLC and 3D NAND (compared to other major SSD makers). It was really bad for their first gen planar TLC.
@netsurfer:
Yeah, the 840 was released a while back, i'm talking about 850 onwards. SSD's were relatively premature back then so i'd disregard it.
@steven231: One of the SSDs released after 850 wasn't that great in terms of return / failure rate. It uses a 3D MLC NAND, topping benchmarks at the time. It was the most expensive consumer m.2 SSD at the time. You can guess which one.
There is no doubt the way Samsung handled 840 was very unprofessional - they did nothing. 840 EVO - they had two attempts and the final result was a workaround, rather than a proper fix. It was a hardware fault after all.
Just don't tell people to buy brand X. Specify the model(s) which you are certain has/have a good record.
Fail rates are very low for SSDs
That wasn't my experience. I had a Samsung SSD failed, one OCZ died, a mSATA one which got completely corrupted - way too many reallocated blocks (it came with a mini PC and was a pain to remove). By the way, they all died suddenly. One Sandisk SSD already had re-allocated blocks (bad sectors being moved basically) and didn't write much data on it.
Also, had a couple of PCs which were on 24x7, the SSD quality rating from Hard Disk Sentinel for both SSDs have dropped a fair amount.
Write endurance - honestly, the Samsung SSD which died had less than 2TB written. OCZ - less than 1TB; corrupted mSATA one - also less than 1TB. The issue I have is those SSDs didn't even reach their write endurance (not even close) before going completely dead.
trust the brand
The way Samsung handled 840 and 840 EVO, I don't think I will ever fully trust Samsung SSDs again. I still have Samsung m.2 SSDs, but that's due to lack of choices rather than I trust Samsung. I wouldn't rely on brand, I would look at the actual model.
Yeah, the 840 was flawed, every other ssd from samsung is miles better. i'd reckon you should give them a second chance. I'd say its the most reliable ssd brand.
@steven231: That's not the point. Not all their SSDs are top notch in terms of reliability. Certain ones are above average, but a number of them are still below average (and that's being nice).
Speed isn't everything. They came out with new tech before other makers, and their first gen tech products have so far being less reliable (compared to other maker's equivalent). The SSD with the lowest failure rate currently isn't a Samsung SSD. The reality is that you should skip first gen of Samsung's new technology. I've been burned by Samsung multiple times. You simply shouldn't jump on their new gen tech even if those products are topping benchmarks. Wait for their second gen of the same tech. I really cannot call that the "most reliable" brand - they simply cannot get things right the first time.
@netsurfer:
Yeah i get your point. It's just first gen for anything really tends to be not the most reliable.
@steven231: Other manufacturers didn't have the same "reliability" issue in their gen1 equivalent products. How do you explain that one? Also, instead of working on ways to fixing the issue, Samsung opted for quickly releasing a newer model on one occasion and that one didn't fix the issue either.
There are also Samsung OEM SSDs. I had compatibility issue with certain enclosures / cables with those.
It's better we support all major vendors (that's my preference). Buy the SSDs because the price is cost effective and the drive offers decent performance and reliability, not by brand name. Also, don't assume speed = reliability. They are not the same thing.
That wasn't my experience.
If it was because of problems with a particular model, then as I said we can't know until the stats come in.
Your experience with SSDs doesn't match anything close to the typical pattern, and doesn't really help anyone decide which will "last longer." The stats are much, much better for SSDs than hard drives.
I've only had one SSD come already failed (ex-gov machine), otherwise my drives are still chugging away noiselessly. We even still have an old Samsung PM800 in use in one machine.
Write endurance
The point I was making is that write endurance is an unimportant point of comparison for most people.
Clearly it's even less important if your drives are failing from other reasons.
@RJK: I am guessing you skipped / don't own a Samsung 840 SSD. I had/have multiple Samsung SSDs and obviously I put my trust in Samsung TLC very early on. It wasn't just the reliability problem. The problem was Samsung completely abandoned 840 owners when the read issue was discovered - zero firmware fix to attempt to address that. Their first "fix" for 840 EVO didn't work and the second fix was basically a workaround. I do have a fair point on Samsung lost my trust.
Another issue I found was if you opted to go Samsung really early (i.e. NVMe SSD), you need to deal with BIOS compatibility issue. Some of their OEM SSDs have issues with certain SATA3 to USB 3 chipsets. It hasn't been smooth for me with Samsung SSDs. We also have the thermal throttling issue with earlier Samsung NVMe SSDs (again, a known fact).
We should support all major vendors (I do that). We need to let Samsung know that they should really test their products properly, rather than having their customers as guinea pigs. You think those Samsung SSDs I bought were cheap? They weren't. I believe I am entitled to be disappointed.
It's not a good idea to tell people SSDs are very reliable. 1. HD Sentinel or other HD info type software would rate down any SSD once it has been powered on for a long period of time. e.g. one of my Samsung SSDs is now rated at 98% reliability despite having zero block reallocation and reasonably low total writes. My oldest SSD is rated 68% (again, zero block reallocation and plenty of write endurance left) 2. When an SSD failed, there is often zero prior warning. That's the point I was trying to make - don't use endurance solely to work out how long the SSD will last. Be prepared and important data shouldn't be just stored on a single SSD.
@netsurfer: You've not given any information that someone could action on how to identify which SSDs can "last longer."
Struggling to understand your overall point in that wall of text. If you payed attention to usernames, you'd know I've owned an 840 series and am aware of the issues and the poor response of Samsung to its customers. Why are you directing this rant at me?
I think it's covered in my original comment:
Beyond that we can't say unless we find out about specific issues with a particular model.
@RJK: Okay, I feel that in some ways, we are on the same side.
What I don't quite agree is SSDs being more reliable. When the HDD monitoring software is telling me the SSD health is at 68%, how should I interpret it? There is no reallocated block, it had minimal total writes so far. But based on total hours online, the software is rating the health at 68%. They do degrade (and that's basically the issue with 840 and 840 EVO, just that they happened far too quickly).
I did mention one thing: Avoid first gen/iteration of Samsung's new technology. The early reviews on them were excellent (in terms of performance), but when the issues came out, only a small number of sites talked about them.
QLC is next up. Hard to tell how much growing pain it will bring.
@netsurfer: When I say they're more reliable, I'm talking as a whole - they fail far less than HDDs.
While they work (and fail) differently, in general a mechanical HDD will fail sooner than an SSD:
https://therevisionist.org/reviews/ssd-vs-hdd-one-reliable/
Annual fail rate of SSDs is significantly below that of HDDs:
https://www.networkworld.com/article/2873551/data-center/deb…
The write endurance of SSDs is more than the majority will ever use. The main caveat is that an SSD is more likely to lose data over time though than a HDD (but simple programs like Puran's DiskFresh can fix that):
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-wo…
I'm a late adopter and avoided SSDs back when they were overpriced and OCZ were the main brand, particularly after reading what a mixed bag they were at the time. With something like QLC I'd wait and see. I have SLC, MLC and TLC drives.
You can discover benchmarks here…
Samsung pretty much leads the way with SSDs.
Just bought one of these to use with my xbox one s and load pubg externally.
Works a mile better now. Loads faster and buildings/weapins rendered instantly.
Yep, i bought my 850 evo a while back (way more expensive then) just because i needed it for pubg. Turns out it was the best thing i've done to upgrade my pc despite the relatively high price.
I never knew MSY had an eBay!!!
It's there for a while since last X'mas, with the same list price as their own website plus shipping cost. With the eBay Plus come into play, there will be more deals at their eBay store, I reckon.
at least you will now know if they got any in stock
FYI this is still available at $86.40 + shipping (free with ebay plus) from other ebay sellers. I just bought one here https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/323328592090
MSY eBay!?