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Its $845… Still has the most recent series of intel cpu and nvidia gpu…
Pfft 1060GTX might not be the latest and greatest but it's still a ~$300 card .
I'm not sure what you think the average Ozbargainer pays for an OS but I can guarantee you it's not RRP .
The 6GB GTX1060’s are more ~$400.
wow didn't realize it was a 6gb version , I stupidly assumed at that price point it weas a mere 3GB version . Even better
List some younger GPUs?
8GB is pretty ordinary for a gaming machine
Having 16GB makes almost no difference to most games.
Unless you want to future proof your build, but with that CPU it isn't future proof to begin with.
im pretty sure the CPU will last a couple years, intel really did up their game with the 8th gens
@Jaes:
The CPU will already struggle in CPU heavy games such as AC: Origins, in the cities especially. It'll only get worse with the next generation of consoles likely using 16 core Ryzen chips launching in 2020. I usually only upgrade my PC every 4-5 years so I'd personally get something a bit beefier unless you plan on upgrading in 2 or so years.
The i5-8400 is a 6 core processor, it doesn’t struggle at all with any of the latest games, and greater majority of the latest games aren’t demanding anything over 6 cores. Single core performance on the 8th Gen Intels are spectacular. It’s easily one of the top bang for buck CPU’s on the market, and given the upgrade from 4->6 cores this generation it will still be potent years down the road.
Your logic isn’t wrong, CPU’s always only get worse with age and increasing demands, but to estimate this i5-8400 to last only “2 or so years” is quite laughable. I’m sure there are plenty of users using the refurbished OEM systems with 2/3/4th generation i5/i7’s that can testify that major bottlenecks are still with GPU and not CPU.
@Chewiebacca: can confirm, running an i5 3570k with absolutely 0 performance issues with my 1060 6gb +16gb ram. Running the latest games on High, and everything else on ultra 1080p with 60+ fps.
The next cpu I grab is going to be nothing less than i5 coffee lake, for the exact reasons covered by chewie.
@Chewiebacca:
This is why I talked about futureproof, and not current day video games. You're free to look up CPU usage of any game with a high amount of NPCs such as AC Origins or TW3 and you will see bottle necking with that CPU.
One random video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7pxNKy73M8 - Keep in mind that this isn't the city in the game, by no means the most CPU heavy area of the game. Chrome in the background will take 5-10% CPU usage give or take, so if you like to multitask it'll be even heavier on the CPU.
It will absolutely bottleneck a higher end card, the 1060 is fine but if at any point down the road you want to upgrade your PC, you'll more than likely have to upgrade the CPU rather than just the GPU. Considering almost every game is open world these days, and with upcoming titles such as Cyberpunk being larger than ever, they will be very CPU demanding. Of course this is only if you want to play on high/max settings, if not then you'll be fine at 1080p but in the long run, you'll save more if you just get a better CPU to begin with so it won't need an upgrade for 5 years even with everything maxed out.
An i5-8400 does not bottleneck even a 1080ti.. and CPU usage is not a measure of bottlenecking. All your video showed is a processor with less multithreaded capacity (the i5-8400) outperform the Ryzen 5 even when it was overclocked, and even at resolutions above 1080P.
I can grab an old 8-Core Bulldozer CPU and it will have even lower CPU usage, yet will still perform lesser than both of those CPU’s. Having greater multi-threaded capacity does not mean greater multi-threaded performance, as your video just illustrated, where the i5 was running closer to 100% yet performed better than the Ryzen.
@Chewiebacca:
If the GPU is not running at 100% at all times while the FPS is uncapped, it's being bottlenecked by something else, in this case that is the CPU as it is clearly being maxed out during the video. The Ryzen CPU is under performing due the game not being able to utilize multi threading all that well as is standard in PC ports, but I linked the video to illustrate the bottlenecking and not to compare it with the Ryzen chip as it was the only decent video I could find.
Will bottlenecking be rare? Depends on what games you play, if it's massive open world titles, any area with a lot of NPCs and you will see bottlenecking at 1080p with a 1080 tier GPU, GPU bottlennecking will be a less of an issue as you move to higher resolutions of course, unless those titles happen to heavier on the CPU than AC: Origins.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1525-assassins-creed-origin…
I can’t even name a game that is so CPU intensive as to absolutely necessitate over 4 cores. You’re right, the Ryzen CPU is under-utilised to an extent, it also simply has less performance per core, thus leading to better real-world performance in many situations for Intel CPU users. The reality is that for gamers having extra cores really isn’t much benefit at all, even in high CPU usage games.
You nitpicked an example of a game where CPU usage is extremely high, and again even at 1440p in both cases the GPU is running close to 100%, and regardless performance is better on the i5-8400 by in some cases well over 10%. I understand the point you are trying to make but it’s an oversimplification, Intel users have for years enjoyed great performance despite “bottlenecking”, and this idea you are making that the best processors will somehow last an extra 3 years compared to the i5-8400 is simply untrue.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1525-assassins-creed-origin…
Using the same game, the Ryzen 7 1800X got 85 FPS average whilst an i5-7600k got 75, and the i7-7700k got 92fps. Both quad core processors, both supposedly “bottlenecking” a 1080ti. i5-8400 got 93 FPS average.
I don’t have anything against Ryzen at all and they certainly have many superior applications, but the argument you are making against Intel processors potency in gaming machines, bottlenecking GPU’s etc is just inaccurate.
I think a SSD and HDD combo is the best setup. SSD for fast boot and HDD for lots of cheap storage.
An OS is a mere brief download followed by a motherboard 'link'; a deal with a costly OS is significantly less ozbargain-oriented.
This is a good deal, I'd add a second bigger SSD for <$150 and then it's a setup that will last a few years for under $1k
At this rate, 1060/8400 systems are gonna hit $500 a pop :P
Ball-tearer of a deal for a gaming rig
what the (profanity) is a ball tearer
Would liquid cooling be worth the $100 upgrade? There isn't much specifics on upgrades
8400 won't really benefit from a liquid cooler.
Also, interestingly, the photo actually shows an AMD cooler. Guess they're just re-using photos, but AMD's coolers look and perform significantly better than Intel's.
This is a non-k CPU so you can't overclock it. So probably not worth getting water cooling.
no
are these components reliable? I know there are some shady companies that chuck some refurbed ones in
Components won't be top grade but you get what you pay for.
It would cost about $1000-1200 to put this together with hand picked good quality components.
You can't beat this for price easily.
I bought a pc from origin and it had no name psu (literally no label and it blew up) and unbranded motherboard which has no bios updates.
Found the mobo for about 39 bucks on Alibaba, only available in Asia for the cheapest of the cheap.
Works fine after psu replaced but cheap system builders don't always use off the shelf components that you would buy for your own build.
My worry here isn't so much they might used refurbed componentry from a reputable manufacturer (ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI etc.), but that they are very non specific on component manufacturer regarding power supply, motherboard, graphics card, SSD, RAM etc. so you could possibly expect them to be the cheapest and nastiest they can source that meet specs.
Having said that, the actual specs of the machine are OK for gaming (processor/graphic speeds); but specs aren't worth anything if the componentry is cheap and burns out.
Remove the Intel CPU and NVIDIA graphics chipset and this machine wouldn't be worth $100.
In my opinion worth spending a bit more and doing a better build, good brand name bronze 650+ power supply minimum with other good brand componentry.
As burrtotron has said, a sh!te power supply will cause you nothing but heartache; at the minimum it will draw excess power and create heat and will die quickly, and worse it may damage other componentry (or your house).
They seem to have another machine for a few dollars more with better componentry:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/i5-8600K-120GB-1TB-GTX-1080-8GB-…
Still not sold on the whole "no-name" power supply, but at least this one has a rating (Gold, but seems cheap for that) and an ASUS mainboard.
Anyone buying intel and nvidia should really spend abit of time and watch a doco about these 2 companies. The guy uses hard facts and not conjecture.
MrZ on 15/06/2018 - 22:17 Comment score below threshold.