Is It Time to Buy an Electric Vehicle?

pegaxs on 08/04/2018 - 22:09
Last edited 12/04/2018 - 18:42

Was chatting to a customer about his (fropanity) heap car on the weekend and how much it was going to cost him to keep it running and its ongoing running costs. He was holding off updating his car becuse he is waiting for the price of Electric Vehicles to drop down into the regular car price bracket. I told him to not hold his breath waiting.

The conversation expanded with another employee joining in and mentioning that if they were giving EV cars away, they still wouldn’t drive one. When asked why not? it was about range, but more so the re-energising time to charge the batteries.

So, I was curious about OzB’s thoughts on electric cars. Would you consider buying one? What’s currently stopping you? Price, range, charge time, charging stations? Something else? Would you never consider buying one?

As there is a bigger and bigger push towards more eco friendly vehicles with more manufacturers taking the bigger leap into EVs, what would you like to see more development into? Maybe invested into hybrid technology rather than straight electric?

And this goes for both cars and motorcycles. Maybe cars don’t tickle your fancy, but an electric motorcycle might scratch your EV itch?

I have to say that I am interested in the technology and think that it has come so far in the last few years that I am excited for the future. Range doesn’t bother me so much, but the price, that’s a different league on its own. While they are cheaper to charge up and maintain, there is still a gaping chasm in price, especially in the motorcycle sector that I would like to dip my toe into…

Also keen to hear from current owners. You happy with your EV? Would you buy another one? What would you like to change about your current vehicle?

Edit: Pease read the poll options as "want, but…" Because the "yes" seemed to have confused at least 4 people…

Poll Options

  • 80
    Next car will be an EV
  • 482
    Yes, but price
  • 13
    Yes, but range/km
  • 5
    Yes, but charge time
  • 14
    Yes, but other
  • 33
    Would never own one
  • 15
    Already own one
Automotive Car Electric Vehicle Motorcycle

Comments

  • Hybroid on 08/04/2018 - 22:18
    +1

    As someone that enjoys the feel and joy of the drive more than simply considering it a tool to get from A to B then no, would not buy an EV vehicle. However, if the situation arose where I would need to commute with one and autonomous driving was commonplace, then maybe would consider it. For now, next car will still be a V6/V8 as they are getting more and more advanced too.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 00:39
      +47

      You need to drive a Tesla. There is no comparison. Once you drive one, you'll never go back to ICE.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 10:19
          +54

          Run out of juice in 500km, and yes you can easily get from Brisbane to Goulburn both of which have superchargers and superchargers in between in that kind of time. As for battery longevity, there are plenty of Tesla taxis with upwards of 800,000km going around which still have most of their capacity. The longevity is better than most petrol cars. The BMS means you just don’t lose battery life at the same rate as you do on say a phone or a laptop. There is zero comparison between a model 3 and a Camry. If that’s your market, that’s your market. They’re not in the same class.

        • EightImmortals on 09/04/2018 - 10:34
          +6

          @Burnertoasty: Thanks for the reply. How long does it take to recharge at a 'supercharger'? And do they have them on the inland routes or just the coastal highways?

          I don't really have a 'market' as such, it's just that I'm not super-rich and realise that most cars are money pits to some degree so I need to maximise my 'investment' as much as possible. So on my personal assessment I would get much better value and enjoyment from a 50K Camry fulley decked than a 60K EV entry level. If the EV had the same features for a similar price I would be open to looking at them at the time.

          Thanks again.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 11:40
          +4

          @EightImmortals: EV running costs are lower. Fuel costs are minimal, even if you pay for supercharging, you're looking at max 1/4 the cost to fuel the thing. Services aren't even required (but you can do them if you want). 20 minutes is generally how long you spend at a supercharger with the S and X, but a full charge from zero will take 40 mins (you never run to zero and you almost never need a full charge), you generally do 20 minute charges every 2-400km. But you could do a single 40min charge every 500km if the route permits.

          Here is a map of superchargers, the red ones are operational, the grey ones are in the process of being built. So yes you can go inland. You can also use some of the thousands of none Tesla branded charging stations all over the country, or Tesla destination chargers, but they are nowhere near as fast.

          https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/findus#/bounds/-0.6911344,166.74…

        • ilikeradiohead on 09/04/2018 - 17:09

          @Burnertoasty: Lol there is one operational in WA, in Bunbury (makes sense though as presumably people charge their cars at home and might need it for the way back).

        • dsp26 on 09/04/2018 - 17:25
          +2

          I wonder why Elon doesn't at least use the solar tech in new all solar roof tiles for the roof of Teslas. Surely would somewhat slow down storage diminishment on a long drive during the day

        • EightImmortals on 09/04/2018 - 17:48

          @Burnertoasty: Thanks again. Now I just have to wait for the prices for halve. :)

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 18:18
          +2

          @RB260483: It doesn’t work. Roof space is too small (and glass). Car loses 1kw a day just sitting there, solar panels would generate 500watts a day at best.

        • DangerNoodle on 09/04/2018 - 20:22

          @RB260483: it can help but not so much. With the roof surface area of a Tesla vehicle, you might be able to fit 0.5-1kw/h worth of solar panels, efficiency may be decent as well since it does not need to convert to AC power. However, as the batteries of Tesla's are around 30kw and depending on the drive, it might not significantly extend your range to the extent that would offset the cost of fitting said panels (worst case it would take 60 hours of driving to fully charge your batteries) . In the US, they didn't bother with solar panels since there is a plethora of charging stations subsidised by Tesla.

        • asa79 on 09/04/2018 - 22:08
          +1

          @RB260483: You need an inverter as well, and that would just add extra cost to the cars

        • ATangk on 10/04/2018 - 09:38

          @Burnertoasty:
          Where did you make up this 800,000km number? Please give a source or dont overinflate numbers.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 10:11

          @DangerNoodle: Your numbers are made up. Tesla’s have 75kw or 100kw batteries. I way could you fit 1kw on the roof of the car.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 10:13
          +1

          @ATangk: Sorry 500,000km by mid last year, so way more by now

          https://electrek.co/2017/08/30/tesla-model-s-hits-300000-mil…

        • ATangk on 10/04/2018 - 11:39

          @Burnertoasty:
          That Model S had a battery issue and Tesla swapped it out because they couldnt fix the issue.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 12:02
          +1

          @ATangk: They have a fleet and there are plenty of examples of super high mileage cars still
          On their original batteries, like Taxis in Finland.

        • Jackson on 10/04/2018 - 18:39

          @RB260483: this was someones research project and the factors are:

          1. Curved solar panels are expensive to make and would add too much cost to the vehicle
          2. Even if the entire vehicle is civered in panels, sun only shines in the day, and will be coming at an angle so expect only a certain number of panels to have light
          3. Becuae the panels around the car are at all different angles, very few are running at maximum efficiency which affects total generation capacity

          Between th above the trade off is very expensive to increase your range very minimally. The Nissan Leaf does have a small panel in the spoiler however its only to chage the 12v accessories battery so the car will start if parked outaide for an extended period of time

        • Jackson on 10/04/2018 - 18:42

          @asa79: no you dont need an inverter your battery is DC and can be supplied dc to charge

        • lancedefrance on 10/04/2018 - 21:32

          @Burnertoasty:

          Whats a BMS? Also agree with your comment, my next car will hopefully be an EV. A tesla if I win tattslotto :)

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 21:38
          +1

          @lancedefrance: Battery management system. Air conditioning for the battery. Keeps it at optimal temps at all times. Reduces degradation to near mill.

        • ShortyX on 10/04/2018 - 21:42
          +1

          @EightImmortals:

          He has seen the light!

        • danzha on 11/04/2018 - 02:40

          This is an article from last year, but helps shed some light on common misconceptions - https://climateworks.com.au/story/opinion/top-10-electric-ve….

          Also, do you usually predicate your vehicle purchases on driving long range interstate?

        • Cyphar on 11/04/2018 - 09:45

          I drove one from Melbourne to Adelaide and back. There's a free charge point in Keith. I didn't pay a cent in travel costs. Was pretty impressed by that. Not by the cost of the car though. Still a bit out of my price range

        • susmind on 13/04/2018 - 00:08

          @Jackson: what about using the solar roof panel to run the aircon while the car is parked in the hot summer and autumn sun so it's not 50 degrees inside when you return to drive it ?

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 14:23
          +19

          That’s just not true. For a start a Tesla is faster than all of those cars, including the GTR. Even the base models Tesla is faster than an M3, RS4, RS5, any AMG, any Honda, Ford or HSV, Lotus etc. And the best thing is it’s every launch. No need for a complicated launch control procedure and clutch wear.

        • TheBilly on 09/04/2018 - 15:26
          -5

          @Burnertoasty:

          I'm not just talking about 0 to 100 km/h speed and a launch control button, I'm talking about driving pleasure as a complete package. I can tell you that the base model Tesla is not better than 95% of the cars I have listed above, neither would the top of the line Tesla roadster be better than 50% of the above. I've personally driven nearly all of my listed cars and to draw on one example; the Lotus Exige Cup Car which has a 0 to 100 km/h of 4 seconds and is significantly slower than the top of the line Tesla at 2 seconds, yet I can almost guarantee you if you drove a Lotus, you will change your tune so quickly.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 16:34
          +8

          @TheBilly: I’ve driven an M3, a WRX, and an a RS4 and the Model S is better. It’s also obviously better than any Honda with their Fwd layout. You don’t understand the benefits of a super low CG. People who are ignorant think they are straight line showboats, but that’s not the case at all. Obviously a Lotus Cup car is going to outhandle a 4 door luxury saloon, that’s a stupid comparison. For example, MotorTrend, one of the most respected publications in the car industry, rated the P100D better than the RS7, including in the handling department:

          https://youtu.be/scyYfbL5P9w

        • dsp26 on 09/04/2018 - 17:27

          @Burnertoasty:

          Theres a difference between "faster" and "quicker".

          Faster = Top Speed
          Quicker = Acceleration

        • This Guy on 09/04/2018 - 19:01

          @Burnertoasty:

          Tesla's are quicker, not faster.

        • asa79 on 09/04/2018 - 22:10
          +11

          When you get old enough you will be looking more for efficient and value for money over just trying to impress some chick

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 22:51
          +6

          @Speckled Jim: You literally are not making points, you’re speaking rubbish. The NSX is a fine car, but it’s still slower than a P100D and it is far too expensive. It’s like a better BMW i8.

          The Tesla Roadster was essentially a prototype. The Clarkson episode was an example of hyperbole to show the shortfalls of early EVs. As shown in the latest Grand Tour Model X review, he’s now a big fan.

          The Model X is not stupid, it’s an amazing car. Especially it’s packaging. Calling it stupid is just stupid, plain and simple. Literally no one agrees with that. Teslas do crash when using Autopilot, but are 40% less likely to do so than human drivers, according to the US Highway authority.

          And you’re trying to make out that over the air updates are a bad thing? That they are sneaky? Are you serious man? Weak argument. Most people appreciate getting into a car the next day and having more features than the day before. Over the air updates are the future and they are available today.

          Hackers? Seriously? Come on man.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 01:17
          +7

          @Speckled Jim: Almost every Honda is fwd. Don’t pretend they make anything other than outdated econoboxes. Your arguments are very weak, but if you want to jump on the ignorant anti Tesla hate wagon, please feel free. You’ve never driven one or been in one. You’ve picked a side and now you’re sticking to your guns.

        • TheBilly on 10/04/2018 - 07:44

          @asa79:

          When you get older you might realise people do things for personal satisfaction and reward rather than the need to impress the opposite sex. Its unfortunate your mind thinks that is the only purpose of an enjoyable car and so you think everyone else thinks that too.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 14:26
          +5

          @TheBilly: Except that all mainstream manufacturers are shifting their production over to fully (for example Porsche by 2030. Your beloved Audi, as part of the VAG will be soon to follow suit). The RS5 V8 you mentioned? Out of production, replaced by a supercharged V6 over a year ago. Not a particularly good car either, nose heavy and miles behind a C63 or M3. If you’re after a car for the V8 sound, which seems to be the only redeeming attribute of the old RS5, maybe you can get it on CD and play the sounds from your 5 disc of your VL 5.0 and dream it’s an RS5. Or wait for your dimensional manipulation powered Nissan Leaf 6.0.

        • payless69 on 10/04/2018 - 15:47

          @Speckled Jim: Jeremy Clarkson is a clown like John Cadogan, same bullshit 2 different mouths

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 16:32
          +7

          @TheBilly: Change the point? You have no point. You literally called cutting edge electrical vehicles, ones that far surpass any internal combustion vehicles, obsolete on the grounds that someone made an electrical car 100 years ago. The point is, that you don’t get the point. Internal combustion is dying. You won’t be able to buy an internal combustion car in 15 years and inside 10 most cars will be EVs. If you can’t see that, you’re either delusional or even slower than your petrol engines car.

        • TheBilly on 10/04/2018 - 16:57
          -7

          @Burnertoasty:

          Internal combustion is dying. You won’t be able to buy an internal combustion car in 15 years and inside 10 most cars will be EVs.

          So naive … Have you even factored in the political implications of this statement? you are absolutely delusional? The united states has started all number of global conflicts to control and maintain consistent demand for crude oil - refined petroleum for motor vehicles being a by product of that crude oil, an item that you actually believe in 15 years will cease to be needed for large scale motor vehicle use, because somebody decided to commence a funky marketing campaign for electricity in motor vehicles. As I've said, electric vehicles are nothing more than a substitute for people with cash burning a hole in their pocket, nothing more, nothing less, never will be.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 17:17
          +4

          @TheBilly: Tell that to Mercedes, VAG, BMW, JLR, And Renault/Nissan. But I’m sure you know better than them too. Maybe they’re just into funky marketing.

        • vj187 on 10/04/2018 - 17:41

          @Burnertoasty:

          5L VL is quite possibly worth more than the RS5 these days

        • whooah1979 on 10/04/2018 - 17:46

          @TheBilly:

          an item that you actually believe in 15 years will cease to be needed

          this sounds like the paperless office prediction back in the 60s and 70s. that didn't happen.

        • spackbace on 10/04/2018 - 17:52
          +3

          @TheBilly:

          So naive … Have you even factored in the political implications of this statement?

          Given the number of governments bringing about emissions rules, burner is right, fuel-driven cars are going… and that is government driven.

          Car manufacturers are already planning on very low-emission cars. For Toyota, that's currently hybrid cars as a stepping stone towards the next-gen.

          Alternative fuel resources are being sought out and tons of money is being poured into r&d. Governments are enforcing this! At least, those outside USA…

        • TheBilly on 10/04/2018 - 19:24

          @Burnertoasty:

          Yes because the motor vehicle manufacturing industry is more powerful and influential than oil producers. Whom we all know are only capable of starting global wars and toppling governments, that's all.

        • TheBilly on 10/04/2018 - 20:18

          @Burnertoasty:

          What? motor vehicle manufacturers have stronger global influence than oil producers? I must be stupid for thinking that.

        • TheBilly on 10/04/2018 - 20:31
          -3

          @Burnertoasty:

          A bit like the idea of Tesla being useful. It will burn up and become toast before we know it. He He He Ha Ho Ha (-_-)

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:33

          @TheBilly: Drive one Billy. That’s all you have to do.

        • btst7000 on 11/04/2018 - 01:51

          @Burnertoasty: For actual performance driving, acceleration is meaningless - the model S is the heaviest of those vehicles and cannot perform around corners. Fun for accelerating quickly, but useless on twisty roads.

        • npnp on 11/04/2018 - 08:36
          +1

          @TheBilly: You understand things like 'driving pleasure' are entirely subjective right? Lol

        • Your Friend on 11/04/2018 - 09:14
          +1

          @TheBilly: mate you got savaged, stop digging

        • TheBilly on 11/04/2018 - 13:01

          @npnp:

          So is efficiency depending on how much money you have. Whats your point?

        • TheBilly on 11/04/2018 - 13:02

          @Your Friend:

          Subjective

        • CocaKoala on 11/04/2018 - 21:13
          +1

          @TheBilly: It's a cult, mate. You're not going to win a rational argument against a cult. They've set their minds and ways and you're not going to change 'em. The sun rises in the South.

          PS: Agree with every word you've said. Now, bring on the negative votes.

        • Speckled Jim on 12/04/2018 - 09:19
          -2

          @Burnertoasty:

          Oh didn't see this, such is your spamming as a Tesla affiliate.

          Almost every Honda is fwd.

          Really? Aside from the NSX, there's the S660 which is also MR. The only reason we haven't got that (yet) is huge domestic demand. Then there's the many AWD models they sell here and in other markets. Ever heard of the HRV? The CRV? We don't get the Pilot or Ridgeline, but the point is made.

          Don’t pretend they make anything other than outdated econoboxes.

          So I'll pretend there's no Civic Type R, NSX and S660. Righto.

          As for my current bias against EVs? Totally justified. I wouldn't eat half-baked chicken but some may enjoy the anxiety it brings. They must have boring lives to introduce such jeopardy.

          Australia doesn't have the infrastructure necessary to make EVs a viable alternative in 2018. Even the UK which is miles ahead of us aren't quite there yet. A consortium of BMW, Merc, VAG and Ford have formed to expand their charging network.

          On, and batteries don't like cold weather. ICE doesn't mind.

        • dtc on 12/04/2018 - 10:55
          +1

          All you are saying is that an EV doesnt suit your lifestyle. A motorcycle or bus or semi trailer probably doesnt suit your lifestyle either, but I'm sure you dont go on long winded angry rants about them.

          Why are people so upset about the concept of EVs? Why do people assume that EV supporter, or EV interested, are too stupid to understand both the good and bad points of an EV, and have to point out the bad points over and over?

        • Euphemistic on 12/04/2018 - 11:03

          @dtc: please have a million up votes. I think its between funny and sad some of the rants that end up on this type of discussion.

      • Hybroid on 09/04/2018 - 15:00
        +5

        I have indeed driven a Tesla S, Nissan Leaf and currently temporary renting a Camry Hybrid with EV-only mode. The drive is not comparable to a proper petrol engine at all. Smooth and quiet, yes definitely, but nowhere near as enjoyable and that's a real factor for some people. Straight line acceleration is not a measure of driving in real world, there's only so much you can speed off from a traffic light.

        Sure, you'd take it over any econobox 4 cylinder piece of junk any day, but at that price range, it's C63/E63 AMG money and I wouldn't choose the Tesla over a C63 for a short, long or any drive anytime soon.

        Don't get me wrong, I do buy into the Elon Musk changing the world hype with Tesla and SpaceX and all, I support it but, EV is just NOT for me. Yet…?

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 15:14
          -6

          ok sure

      • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 19:11

        You need to drive a Tesla. There is no comparison. Once you drive one, you'll never go back to ICE.

        You might want to google "tesla quality control" and read the numerous articles along with images that show they cant even get the panels to line up, or crazy speakers going full blast for no particular reason.

        This isnt a rate thing the rate is extremely high. You must be blind or something if you fail to see the terrible finish on ever other tesla.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 19:49

          There are panel gaps in some Teslas, no doubt. But here’s a hint: go outside to your car and have a good look at the panel alignment. I can guarantee you it’s not as perfect as you imagine. The internet trolls made a huge deal of panel gaps, but the fact of the matter is that most cars have some form of panel gaps somewhere. We’re not talking finger width gaps between pillars, we are talking things like the bonnet of your car left hand gap is 3mm and 4mm on the right. Some people are pedantic about things like this. Most people don’t even notice.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:02
          +1

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: There are panel gaps in some Teslas, no doubt. But here’s a hint: go outside to your car and have a good look at the panel alignment.

          99: There are ZERO gaps, everything lines up right. Same goes for many others have checked from hyundais to bmws.

          B: I can guarantee you it’s not as perfect as you imagine.

          99: Feel free to show me three similar gaps from your family/friend cars.

          Should be easy if all cars are as poor as tesla.

          B: The internet trolls made a huge deal of panel gaps, but the fact of the matter is that most cars have some form of panel gaps somewhere.

          99: So cnbc, reuters are trolls ?

          B: We’re not talking finger width gaps between pillars, we are talking things like the bonnet of your car left hand gap is 3mm and 4mm on the right. Some people are pedantic about things like this. Most people don’t even notice.

          99: More lies, these gaps are at least a FINGER wide, on a car at a car SHOW.

          DO you really think Mercedes or BMW would take a car with a gap like that to a CAR SHOW ?

          B: Some people are pedantic about things like this. Most people don’t even notice.

          99: So what do you say about teslas that have car door handles falling off, or music systems that turn on full blast becaue they want too not once but multiple times ?

          or they cant even open their car because the software has gone crazy ?

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:12

          @Burnertoasty:

          please show me examples of other manuf having a door handle fail this many times !

          https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/12/tesla-owner-resorts-to-tw…

          @elonmusk @Tesla this is the third time my door handle has died, and now I can't even get into my car from the driver door. Who knows how long I'll have to wait to get an appointment to fix it. Have to literally climb into the car from another door to drive now. Please help Elon pic.twitter.com/P0QkuvQ4PW

          — farhan orakzai (@farhanorakzai) December 7, 2017

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:16

          @ninetyNineCents: I’m sure you just went outside and checked. I can tell you that I’ve seen panel gaps on a model X where the Falcon wing door lines up. I’ve not seen panel gaps on a personal Model S, or any at the Richmond showroom. They happen, but they also happen on other cars. Don’t make out that it’s a Tesla only issue, it’s not. My mother’s E class has a slightly bigger gap on one side of the boot, and that cost $136k, which is almost Tesla money. Does anyone notice it? No. I only noticed it because my coat jammed in the rear lock and it wouldn’t close. I couldn’t figure out why and I went over the boot with a fine tooth comb, not bothering to check the lock.

          You’re blowing up issues which aren’t common place like every Tesla has them. The fact is that they are reliable, well built cars, which represent good value for money. People tend to blow up issues with them, as an example, of a Benz crashes and it’s a fatality, you don’t hear about it. If a Tesla crashes, it’s big news. There are a lot of detractors, particularly in the media, often following the editorial line of the owners who have vested interests in seeing Tesla and EVs as a whole fail. Why do you think Tesla put James Murdoch on the board? Because his dad is strongly anti Tesla, and his news outlets carry this theme. Whether this is because of his own oil holdings, or an alliance with the Koch brothers, I have no idea, but you’re acting essentially as a agent for their bi line. If there are panel gaps on an individual Tesla, isn’t that just the concern of the owner of that car, rather than an internet troll sitting in his basement?

        • Euphemistic on 10/04/2018 - 20:19

          @ninetyNineCents: I can think of two models with well known door handle problems from ‘normal’ car manufacturers too. It’s not unusual for a manufacturer to try cutting the cost somewhere and screw up. XD-XF falcon were notorious for it and the Nissan Pathfinder is another.the fox go both those models was aftermarket parts. Buying fro the manufacturer was a lesson in futility.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:24

          @Euphemistic:

          E: I can think of two models with well known door handle problems from ‘normal’ car manufacturers too. It’s not unusual for a manufacturer to try cutting the cost somewhere and screw up. XD-XF falcon were notorious for it and the Nissan Pathfinder is another.the fox go both those models was aftermarket parts.

          99: When you pay 100k you expect quality to the next level. You dont hear of German cars with these issues.

        • Euphemistic on 10/04/2018 - 20:29

          @ninetyNineCents: well you did ask for manufacturers with door handle problems.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:31

          @Euphemistic:

          E: well you did ask for manufacturers with door handle problems.

          99: Hey you are the one claiming other manuf have similar problems, feel free to provide links to multiple car mags reporting the same thing.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:33

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: I’ve not seen panel gaps on a personal Model S, or any at the Richmond showroom

          99: So why did they take a car with such a large gap to a motor show ?

          Couldnt they take another car that didnt have this eye saw ?

          THe person who failed to check this should be fired for being completely careless.

          If they cant get their act together for a show, its hardly a surprise there are thousands of customers with the same problem.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:34

          @ninetyNineCents: They are a lot more than 100k

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:34

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: Why do you think Tesla put James Murdoch on the board?

          99: Who cares about james murdoch. Stop changing the subject and introducing red herrings.

          Its amazing how you will talk about so many other things but the real problem i originally introduced, namely quality.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:35

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: They are a lot more than 100k

          99: write complete sentences.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:35

          @ninetyNineCents: They have addressed the panel gaps. Go to a store.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:37

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: ninetyNineCents: They have addressed the panel gaps. Go to a store.

          99: No they havent, there are many examples from mags from feb 2018, google

          tesla panel gaps car show 2018

          One car in a showroom near you isnt a proper sample. Dozens of internet mags from feb 2018 etc, are.

          Grow up.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:38

          @ninetyNineCents: Sorry, here you go: .

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:38

          @ninetyNineCents: Go to a showroom yourself. Take a drive.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:40

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: Go to a showroom yourself. Take a drive.

          99: one show room with one good car doesnt change the facth there are MANY MANY articles from REAL RESPECTED media outlets mentioning this and other quality issues.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:41

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: new
          @ninetyNineCents: Really, I’m lying am I? Instead of getting worked up about it and having a sook, go to a showroom, take a test drive and report back.

          99: yes you just claimed a few comments up that the panel problem has been solved, and i just shared a link that multiple car mags are reporting the same problem, many dated from feb 2018.

          Who do you think anyone will believe, visiting ONE store and seeing ONE nice car, or DOZENS of CURRENT articles on the internet showing all sorts of similar problems ?

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:41

          @ninetyNineCents: Go to a showroom. You know that the overwhelming majority of the automotive media are huge proponents of Tesla, stop making out like the car is rubbish because some earlier models had some panel gaps.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:42

          @ninetyNineCents:

          Tesla Week: EV Pub Cites Issues With Model 3 Build Quality But …
          https://www.forbes.com/.../2018/.../tesla-week-ev-pub-says-m…
          Mar 11, 2018 - Tesla Model 3 at Los Angeles Auto Show. Credit: Brooke … Chevy Bolt (2018) Vs. Tesla Model 3: 'Best Small' EV And Most Popular EV (Cheat. … Body panel gaps are inconsistent, reflecting a lack of attention to detail, and this applies not only to our own car, but even to Model 3s we've seen on display.".

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:43

          @ninetyNineCents: Are you going to go or not? Or are you going to sit in your hatesuit spitting out anti Tesla vitriol, grasping to the best ammo you have: panel gaps.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:44

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: Go to a showroom. You know that the overwhelming majority of the automotive media are huge proponents of Tesla, stop making out like the car is rubbish because some earlier models had some panel gaps.

          99: Again you are misrepresenting wha ti said. I said tesla has quality issues, and i shared just ONE of them the gaps thing, i also mentioned others.

          Theres a big difference between ONE problem and pretending its the ONLY one when there are many others.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:46

          @Burnertoasty:

          B: new
          @ninetyNineCents: Are you going to go or not? Or are you going to sit in your hatesuit spitting out anti Tesla vitriol, grasping to the best ammo you have: panel gaps.

          99: Stop making this personal, show a little class.

          You lied about the gap problem being solved, you are even so stupid you continue to LIE even when i present proof (forbes mar 2018), thats just a few days ago.

          Pointing out the truth isnt a hatesuit, its the truth. Grow up and stop crying because you have been caught lying.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:47

          @ninetyNineCents:

          B: at least be an adult and admit you lied.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:48

          @ninetyNineCents: What are you talking about? Lying about what? Are you going to go or not?

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:50

          @Burnertoasty:

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/5832061/redir

          Burnertoasty 14 min ago new
          @ninetyNineCents: They have addressed the panel gaps. Go to a store.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 20:52

          @ninetyNineCents: So you’re going to a store?

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 20:53

          @Burnertoasty:

          I cant goto a store today or tomorrow, but you can apologise for lying.

        • Euphemistic on 10/04/2018 - 21:25

          @ninetyNineCents:

          Hey you are the one claiming other manuf have similar problems, feel free to provide links to multiple car mags reporting the same thing.

          Come on. Stop moving the goalposts. You asked for examples of other manufacturers with door handle problems. I know of two, have personal experience with them. The ford example was in the 80s, so it’ll be hard finding links. If you want you can google R51 pathfinder rear door handle. I don’t need to, I’ve got an R51 in the drive with aftermarket door handles in the back. When it broke I used google to work out how to fix it.

        • ninetyNineCents on 10/04/2018 - 21:31

          @Euphemistic:

          E: Come on. Stop moving the goalposts. You asked for examples of other manufacturers with door handle problems. I know of two, have personal experience with them. The ford example was in the 80s, so it’ll be hard finding links.

          99: Quality and finish of cars has improved a lot since the 80s. IN todays market the internet and me are comparing the quality of Tesla against its competitors not cars from the 1980s or horse carriages from the 1500s.

          E: If you want you can google R51 pathfinder rear door handle.

          99: Yes but your bad luck isnt experienced by a large minority of pathfinder customers in a similar proportion as tesla customers.

          You also dont understand a PF costs a 1/3 of a tesla.

        • Euphemistic on 10/04/2018 - 22:01
          +1

          @ninetyNineCents:

          isn’t experienced by a large minority of …

          That’s just funny.

        • ninetyNineCents on 11/04/2018 - 10:26

          @Burnertoasty:

          https://electrek.co/2018/01/01/tesla-model-3-early-impressio…

          After seeing my car and three other “first batch to the public” cars up close in the last couple days, I can report that the cars by and large do not seem to have significant issues with panel gaps.

          So why did Tesla send a car with gaps to the auth show last month ?

          WHy are there dozens of different mags reporting gaps from feb and march 2018 ?

          Take a quick read, the summaries are consistent, people are saying they see not just ONE car with poor gaps, but multiple cars.

          google

          tesla panel gaps car show 2018 <

          Ive picked a few, are you going to seriously tell me, its pure luck that these people got cars with terrible gaps ?

          When i search for "gaps bmw 2018" how come i dont find any ?

          ive highlighted the interesting text in bold for your reading pleasure.

          https://www.boston.com/cars/car.../2018/.../what-its-like-to…
          Mar 8, 2018 - This undated photo provided by Tesla shows the Tesla Model 3, which the automaker has touted as its most affordable electric vehicle. … Body panel gaps are inconsistent, reflecting a lack of attention to detail, and this applies not only to our own car but even to Model 3s we've seen on display. After we …

          https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/.../tesla-model-3-teardown-b…
          Feb 5, 2018 - He goes on later in the video, pointing out the big rear trunk panel gaps, remarking: Let's just have a look at…the gaps. If we look over here,** I can barely get my fingernail in. And if we look over here…I can almost put my thumb in. This is… very unusual…The tolerance stack-ups on this car are just, like nothing** …

          Tesla Week: EV Pub Cites Issues With Model 3 Build Quality But …
          https://www.forbes.com/.../2018/.../tesla-week-ev-pub-says-m…
          Mar 11, 2018 - Tesla Model 3 at Los Angeles Auto Show. Credit: Brooke … Chevy Bolt (2018) Vs. Tesla Model 3: 'Best Small' EV And Most Popular EV (Cheat. … Body panel gaps are inconsistent, reflecting a lack of attention to detail, and this applies not only to our own car, but even to Model 3s we've seen on display.".

        • ninetyNineCents on 11/04/2018 - 10:33

          @Euphemistic:

          E: That’s just funny.

          99: You obviously have no idea how many failures tesla has in this quality dept. You dont grasp the concept of comparing percentages.

          Its like airlines, everybody crashes, but theres a DIFFERENCE between qantas and dodgy african or russian airlines that crash every other year. Sure everybvody crashes(except q) but i know i wouldnt be using said airlines that crash every year.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/04/2018 - 10:36

          @ninetyNineCents: Wow, it continues.

        • ninetyNineCents on 11/04/2018 - 10:38

          @Burnertoasty:

          typical. i give evidence that your nonsense is a lie, again and yu run away like a coward.

        • ninetyNineCents on 11/04/2018 - 10:38

          @Burnertoasty:

          why dont you have the integrity and answer the questions and issues i show that the problems have not been fixed ?

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