Job Interview Ethics

I have been applying for new jobs and been having a god awful time at it. Companies treat prospective employees like trash and I would like to know your opinion on this and maybe share your personal experiences. This is my most recent one.

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Applied to a medium sized company : I gave an online test, progressed to the next stage and had an HR interview. After clearing that HR scheduled time for technical interview on Skype. On the day of the interview the guy never showed up and I sat there in front of the screen for half an hour just waiting. HR apologized and rescheduled. I was then scheduled for a final interview 1.5 weeks in advance. This was in a different city than the one I reside in so on the day of the interview I took a day off work, got up at 5:30 am, purchased bus tickets and traveled 4 hours to the destination. I made it clear to them that I was traveling solely for the interview. I got there and received an email that the interview was cancelled on an hours notice. I called them up and was told that no one would be able to see me in the office and basically the best option was for me to go home. Traveled another 4 hours and reached home. They did not offer to reimburse my travel and did not even send any formal apology. I am just astonished at how these people think they can treat others like trash and take their time for granted.

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Comments

  • +46

    Basically they pull the strings, you dance

    You cant do much about it unfortunately

    • +173

      You don't want to work for a company disorganized like that anyway. Treat it as super early warning signs. Drop application and move on.

      • +9

        Yep. So much this. If they can cock up a simple interview, imagine how they might treat your pay.

      • +9

        Yes agree with this. Seems like it might be a good indication of what the company is like.

      • +5

        agree, looks like you dodge a bullet there.

      • +23

        Nope.
        Try to get offer if you can. But relax. Don't rush.
        If offered, tell em you gonna join. Let them plan for your joining. Then cancel on an hour's notice. Payback and feedback time for them.

      • It probably be the interviewer (ie. your prospective manager). I doubt a company has a specific instruction to interview individual that way.
        I would stand tall and drop my application, criticising heavily of how unprofessionally disgusting their behaviour is.

        I would not blacklist the company per se.

    • I pull the strings and dance. It's a one man show and I usually get the job offer. You have to show you're worth their time or you really aren't.

  • +8

    I try to respect everyone's time by always being on time. If I can't make it, I try to give the other party as much time as possible to adjust their schedule, so this is inexcusable.

    When I was a hiring manager, if I wanted a particular candidate, I wouldn't leave it up to HR or any other party to act so much on my behalf. So, leaving aside HR's poor manners, there's probably less demand for your skills/services from the hiring company, so it's good you haven't wasted more of your time.

    • I hate interviews. But I am good at them. I seem to have no tolerance for bad employers doing bad things and that somehow works.

  • +84

    If they are treating a prospective employee, someone with whom they are mutually unobliged, like rubbish imagine the how they will treat someone on their payrole.

    • +3

      *payroll

  • +67

    I think you should consider yourself lucky that you didn't get the job - sounds like a rubbish company

    • +44

      imagine if it was a recycling company.

      • +12

        rofl, this joke was DAD JOKE, but i liked it

  • +28

    It's as well to view an interview as much you checking them out as the other way around. They told you all you need to know to reject them.

    • +104

      Send them a letter stating that due to the high calibre of your job offers they were not successful at securing your employment, and you will contact them if you require their employment in future.

      • +2

        Me like.

      • -7

        Can't believe there are so many upvotes to your comment.

        Never, EVER, burn a bridge just to stoke your ego or feel smug. The only one that will suffer is you. Same company can change management and become a better place to work in 5 or 10 years. You don't want that letter on file if you ever apply again. You may even find that someone reads and remembers it then down the road is working for a different, better company and rejects your application based on that smug letter.

        It's even possible that HR is just being run badly or someone had an off day or you just got unlucky and that you'd be fine once you got the job (maybe with the odd bit of bureaucracy from HR). But given the circumstances I agree that I wouldn't pursue this particular job further UNLESS there are no other similar prospects.

        There is just no advantage to being "that guy".

        Also if you get another job soon enough, it's easy to send a letter declining further interview because you've taken another role without coming across as a smug primadonna.

        • +1

          There is just no advantage to being "that guy".

          How ironic.

        • +6

          Can't believe there are so many upvotes to your comment.

          That's because your vicious attitude precludes you from recognising and appreciating humour.

        • @TripleG:

          As a young, idealistic man I once criticized a current employer to a head hunter who was trying to line me up for a job. He flat out told me I was an idiot and explained why I couldn't be put up for the role. No employer EVER wants to hire someone who is criticizing an existing or prospective employer. It's the business equivalent of pursuing a relationship with someone who cheats. If they did it before to someone else, they'll do it to you too.

          That was some of the best career advice I ever got and I'm glad I got it early.

          If sharing what I know makes me "that guy" in your eyes, I'd suggest you similarly check your attitude. But if you want to torpedo your own career, that's none of my business.

        • -4

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          That's because your vicious attitude precludes you from recognising and appreciating humour.

          Says the guy who thinks "There's always cheap bullets if you go to America, but I'd rather you bought popcorn and laugh at the world" is an incitement to suicide. I'm pretty sure there's a picture of you in the dictionary under the word "irony".

        • +1

          @syousef:

          As a young, idealistic man I once criticized a current employer to a head hunter who was trying to line me up for a job. He flat out told me I was an idiot and explained why I couldn't be put up for the role. No employer EVER wants to hire someone who is criticizing an existing or prospective employer. It's the business equivalent of pursuing a relationship with someone who cheats. If they did it before to someone else, they'll do it to you too.

          That was some of the best career advice I ever got and I'm glad I got it early.

          If that makes me "that guy" in your eyes, I'd suggest you similarly check your attitude. But if you want to torpedo your own career, that's none of my business.

          You missed the joke again. TripleG was poking fun at feminist accusations of male advantage. Your attitude really isn't serving you well!

        • +2

          @syousef:

          Says the guy who thinks "There's always cheap bullets if you go to America, but I'd rather you bought popcorn and laugh at the world" is an incitement to suicide.

          It is, I do and so did others:

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/5766396/redir

          As I said before: I don't mind being attacked, but encouraging suicide is not on. I draw the line there. Many more people than me read these replies and some may not be in a good state of mind.

          I'm pretty sure there's a picture of you in the dictionary under the word "irony".

          What a hilarious, creative and original joke!!

        • -3

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          It is, I do and so did others:

          You need to take a course in basic comprehension, and so do other people. With such charisma have you considered starting a cult? You mistake popularity with correctness and truth, so you've got that nailed.

          As I said before: I don't mind being attacked, but encouraging suicide is not on.

          And as I said before I have never and will never encourage suicide. YOU are the one who said you wanted "off this rock".

          Your repeated accusations are becoming tiresome. I have gotten into many heated arguments here and elsewhere and been trolled much more expertly (in one case I had people digging up and defacing pictures of me and my wife on Facebook). And yet never have I told someone to kill themselves because that is not who I am. I wouldn't then do it casually just to irritate you on our first conversation of the day. Your insistence that I did so is the very definition of the "vicious attitude" you accused me of above. If you continue to insist that I'm going around telling people to kill themselves I will report it because that misrepresentation is slanderous.

          And yet you continue to demonstrate YOUR "viscious attitude" with with your sarcasm:

          What a hilarious, creative and original joke!!

          If you can't see the stark and jarring hypocrisy in your words it is no small wonder you can so badly misinterpret what someone else says.

          So I'll conclude with my usual line to people like you, which is far from what you repeatedly accuse me of: GO FLY A KITE!

        • +2

          @syousef:

          YOU are the one who said you wanted "off this rock".

          I was referring to leaving Australia due to the high taxes and costs of living referenced in the comments to which I replied. I used the word "rock" because Australia is a landmass surrounded by water (girt by sea) — hyperbole. I had no idea how you could misinterpret that as an allusion to death, but it seems to be a pattern with you given your responses above. Perhaps you could take your own advice on comprehension.

          Your repeated accusations are becoming tiresome.

          You brought it up, not me.

          And yet you continue to demonstrate YOUR "viscious attitude" with with your sarcasm:

          If sarcasm is a vice, give me a life sentence!!

        • -2

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          Oh I brought this up, did I? Who accused who of having a "viscious attitude"? That was in reference to what exactly? The accusation that "attitude precludes you from recognising and appreciating humour" which is a long winded gas bag way of saying I don't have a sense of humour is just the icing on the cake given that I told you to go eat ****ing popcorn instead of talking about how you "get off this rock" and then you accused me of telling you to kill yourself. You're repeatedly text book projecting: Doing something you disapprove of then accusing the other person of doing it. Does not compute.

          Oh and bloody well google the phrase "get off this rock". Most of the references are sci fi references to getting off a planet.

        • +1

          @syousef:

          Oh and bloody well google the phrase "get off this rock". Most of the references are sci fi references to getting off a planet.

          That has nothing to do with death. You made a giant leap to that.

        • -2

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          That has nothing to do with death. You made a big jump to that.

          So if someone was depressed and said "How do I get off this rock" or "How do I get off this planet" you wouldn't ask if they're okay, or think they might be suicidal? And yet somehow I'm the monster who's going to contribute to suicide.

          Alrighty then. Take a look here:

          https://natashatracy.com/mental-illness-issues/suicide/start…
          "regardless though, when you start to feel like you want off the planet"

          https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1b2shc/til_8…
          " I'm sorry that I'm going to hurt people by doing this, but I have to get off this planet, kind of suicidal thought process. "

          In fact why don't you just google "off this planet" suicide ideation and "off this rock" suicide ideation with verbatim turned on.

          I didn't make up the damn idiom. And I'm tired of being accused of being a monster that tells people to top themselves. I can only hope that the reason you don't make the connection is that you're clueless.

        • I normally don’t agree with your ‘adult’ arguments but this I agree.

        • +1

          @syousef:

          So if someone was depressed and said "How do I get off this rock" or "How do I get off this planet" you wouldn't ask if they're okay, or think they might be suicidal?

          Of course I would! I certainly wouldn't encourage suicide, joking or not, I would actively try to discourage it!

          You're arguing for my point and against yours! o_0

        • -1

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          I'm arguing that my comment was not an incitement to suicide. I was telling you to lighten up and laugh at the world after reading what I thought was your own joke about suicidal ideation (or at least a suicide joke. You seemed stressed but not so much suicidal. Saying "kill me now" doesn't always mean you're at risk). But you're too busy doubling down on vilifying me to see that is even possible.

          Let me just point out the absolute irony of you taking such great offence to the thought of a suicide joke while going around calling people names and putting them down. Let me be clear: I am not suicidal. But if I was, what do you think that kind of BS would do exactly?

          I challenge you to actually have a think about what I'm saying instead of continuing with your bile.

      • Don't forget to mention 'unfortunately'

  • +37

    Name and shame?

  • -6

    It was a 'no exp req, $1000 p/w, be your own boss' job wasnt it

    • +5

      not really. It is an established well known business in what it does

  • +1

    if they wanted to hire you, they would have made an effort. Probably one of those 'inventory resourcing' thing again..

    • +9

      well thats the thing. If they didnt want to hire me then why have 3 interviews leading up to the final one. they could have sent me a rejection at any point in the process which they didnt.

      • +1

        Inventory resourcing means they don't reject you and keep you on the hook. That how HR can meet their quota and if anyone asks for candidates they can still offer your profile. In other words, they keep you in 'inventory'. They will give you the occational interview even knowing they won't hire you

        • +8

          HR being bored, is one of the worst thing: "Let's invite a few candidates, to stock up on potential employees".
          The usual answer is either "position has been filled internally" or "we have found a better candidate"
          Or it was just an alibi exercise because they need to have a certain number of Australian applicants, before they can hire cheaper "skilled immigrants".

        • +2

          @cameldownunder:
          I think you're confusing HR and recruitment, in most medium to large companies, they're different functions.

          I struggle to think of any company that would have their internal recruitment team have KPI's on interviewing a certain number of candidates per week/month and would just bring people in 'for the fun of it'.

        • +2

          Not always. I have submitted a quotation from my software company to a government department to build more modules for a software tool we've already built for them. I expect that I will get a contract to build more software for them but they are running through their own internal funding and approval processes. I already have a team of developers but When I get the expanded contract I will need to hire more people and get started on my project ASAP. If I hire these guys now and it takes the government months to issue me a contract I will basically have to pay these guys to sit around and do nothing. I dont make enough profit to justify this, I would be losing money. If I wait for the contract to land and then start recruiting I will be 2 months into the contract before I have my full team together. What can I do? So far I have been 'lining people up', basically searching and quietly vetting potential people. If for some reason the funding gets pulled or delayed to next year I wont be stuck paying workers I dont need and poor employees wont have joined me for a job that evaporates. Unfortunately for small and medium size companies this is a pretty regular occurrence. My HR person doesn't have a quota. I do keep a list of good people that I know I could use on a project. I do ring them and ask them if they are available when I get work. I literally have had the situation where I've seen a CV I previously kept, cold called the person after a year or 2 and asked if they were available, they've said yes and I've hired them. I have done this.

        • @cameldownunder:

          Heard this story before from my friend that his manager only recruits his friend from England

        • +1

          @2ndeffort:

          You have a good strategy. I have done the same. Everybody knows where they stand and nobody is being lied to at any point.

          I feel for the OP - that was a terrible experience for them.

      • likely they already have someone in mind. But equal opportunity law requires them to proof they open up the opportunity and interview at least 5 candidates.

  • +8

    The absolute best way to get in on a job is to find someone who already works in the same area of the company and see if they can vouch for you when a job is coming up. Even more than incompetent employees, companies fear "difficult" employees, ones who don't match the "company" culture and reduce moral in their existing employees. If they perceive you will meld well with the rest of the group then they are less "problematic" at interview times. How you have been treated is inexcusable and this sounds like a crap place to work; at least you found this out now.

    • tipping if the place is 4 hours away OP's unlikely to know anyone at the company

      • +1

        It was more a comment to look at companies where you know people, rather than this specific company.

    • That is true, companies hate people who can think on their own. Best if a sheep introduces another sheep, that is already used to bend and take it up the backside.

      • I think you have made my point quite well.

        • Never seen them care if you bend before deciding to give it to you up the backside

  • +34

    Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

    Leave them a review on glassdoor.com.au.

    Then at least you can warn future applicants so your time wasn't entirely wasted.

    • +1

      Glassdoor is a magnet for companies that want and demand everyone to drink their koolaid. If the company is on glassdoor with any significant presence you can be sure they "forced" or "expected" a lot of their employees to write up the right thing.

      Its a bit like facebook, only idiots join facebook.

      • Do you have any evidence for your theory of fake reviews on Glassdoor? I can see why you'd be skeptical of FB at the moment but I think if big companies were forcing their employees to write them positive reviews you'd hear about it once they left.

        • Do you have any evidence for your theory of fake reviews on Glassdoor?

          goto glassdoor and search and read the reviews of amazon.

          I can see why you'd be skeptical of FB at the moment but I think if big companies were forcing their employees to write them positive reviews you'd hear about it once they left.

          Well if you couldnt figure out from the beginning, this is what FB has always been about then you havent got much imagination or intelligence.

        • @ninetyNineCents:

          You must be popular at parties

        • @captaincabinets:

          did you verify my statement about glassdoor ?

  • +1

    Sounds like a terrible company if that is the way they treat prospective employees. I think you dodged a bullet by learning about their incompetence and disrespect firsthand before getting hired. If you aren't prepared to name and shame, can you at least tell us what industry they are in?

    • +2

      Yup its IT - Consulting

      • +11

        I worked for many years in IT consulting. This kind of behaviour would indicate to me that they treat their people like a body shop.

      • what are the first two letters?

        • I'm guessing it's either Co or In

        • @supasaiyan: More like Se

        • +2

          @trickster: Got it mate. Last two letters are ‘an’. Lol.

          Good you didn’t go for interview. Now next time they call, which for sure ‘She’ wd; schedule the Skype and never sit for that. Let her chase up and again u schedule meeting. Do it again.

        • @PopCounty: I personally had interview with them in the early day (back in 2013), they were quite unprofessional for my taste as well. I will never go interview them again, that's just my thought on the company. Although now I'm working with a few of consultants from there, they are ok and they think the company is ok with them.

      • +3

        it's more like IT - Insulting to me now.

      • What did you expect from it consulting which is basically filled with bullshitters ?

  • What you have here is one company being disorganised. You mentioned Companies (plural) treat employees like trash.

    Most comapnies do not treat their prospective employees like trash.

    I am also in IT Consulting and I have in all my years old had one interview time/place stuff up and only that was because of the agent being the third party.

  • -5

    You traveled for a Skype interview?

    • No an in person interview as per the OP…

  • Maybe it was all a test to see how you handled yourself in the situation.

    • +1

      How's that work?

      If you put up with that kind of BS without complaining you 'pass' their test and they give you the job knowing that they can walk all over you at will?

      Or you spit the dummy, and 'fail' the test by speaking out against them doing the wrong thing, so they wont give you the job but at least you'll still feel slightly human?

    • Are you meant to put up with it or complain?

    • lol nah. A company which does that can shove the job up their ass

      • -1

        I was joking. I doubt any company would intentionally put someone through this.

  • +1

    This is a very unique circumstance. I wouldn't take this as a "employers have no ethics across the board" type arrangement. I would just take it as, you had a bad experience and a good experience in one. I.e. you got to experience how they would treat you without being an employee but it was a big hassle for you to figure this out. Move on, find somewhere else to go and if this employer calls you back, just politely tell them what happened and that you are no longer interested in their job opportunity.

  • +1

    I'd totally invoice them for your time…

    • Invoicing is only worthwhile if you intend to follow it up. In this case it'll go straight in to the bin and OP will have no recourse

    • Yeah! I was thinking of suing a company when they did this to me. But then I realized that I had no case because there are a lot of candidates didn't show up for interview either. Though this is not to say they had the right doing it to a candidate.

  • Working in HR I’m just smh at the candidate care here
    Recruiters commonly get bashed online for jerking candidates around but sounds like the whole process (HR and business reps) have failed here

    Was it facilitated by internal or agency/external recruiters?

    • It wasnt through a recruiter. It was facilitated directly by the company itself.

      • +1

        How do you know it wasn't a scammer posing as a part of that company, and all they were doing was looking for
        - marks to target
        - personal information they can sell on
        - employees to pay them to work instead of being paid
        - people to answer survey questions
        - etc.

        Unless you make an effort to verify that they are really who they say they are, they can make this very hard.

        Tips:
        - avoid recruiters like the plague
        - approach employers for work directly
        - give up trying to be a drone and work for yourself so you can claim the tax deductions they claim once they have hired you, directly.

  • I think its poor they didnt pay upfront for your costs. I wouldnt go to an interview unless they paid up front. sign of a piss poor company from they get go if they dont

    • +2

      Is this a thing? Unless someone was being head hunted, I wouldn’t expect it. But I am still young and could just be naive.

      • +1

        In my experience, it is more common for them to come to you after the first couple of screening interviews as it is easier for them to get approval for the travel. I have been flown across the country a few times after passing the first hurdles, but the job was pretty much in the bag.

      • +1

        Often if travel is required for a final step of the interview that would be reimbursed, that is usually because X stakeholder was located in a different state and a different location to where the person would be working.

        If OP was going to be working a standard 4 hours away with the job, no way should they be reimbursed, their own decision to apply for the role.

        However, if OP had applied for a role 20 minutes away and had to travel 4 hours, I agree he should be reimbursed for his time and effort

        • I've read those last two paragraphs a stack of times, and I still don't understand what you mean with either of them? Can you rephrase?

          If the position is 4 hours away, your choice to apply for it, no reimbursement, but if it was 20 minutes away but took 4 hours to get there (how?) it should be?

        • @aleayr:

          He's saying that if the OP applies for a job 4 hours away, and thus the interview is 4 hours away, there should be no expectation of reimbursement.

          But say you apply for a job where your role will be done that is only 20 minutes away, if they expect you to travel 4 hours for an interview, there should be a reasonable expectation of being reimbursed.

        • Cheers. That makes sense.

        • +1

          @tomsco:

          Ah, great. That clears it up, and does make sense! Thanks very much :)

      • If it involves substantial travel on a bus or plane and say a hotel I would expect them to pay…. Well maybe not that’s what happened when I was younger maybe times have changed. , but if they did what happens to OP I’d be demanding they pay .

    • not really. its your choice to apply for a job in another location. not their problem.

    • +2

      Imagine walking into the interview room and handing the interviewer your petrol receipt. No one does this lmao

      • Given the special circumstance and inconvenience they caused me, I think it would have been the most ethical thing to do. Instead they vanished off the map. Didnt send an apology and I haven't even been contacted since then.

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