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Adler's A110 Lever Action Shotgun Synthetic Stock. 20" and 28" Model Available. $665. @ Cleaver Firearms

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Adler's A110 Lever Action Shotgun Synthetic Stock. 20" and 28" Model Available. $665. @ Cleaver Firearms
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Hayesy22 on 16/07/2017 - 09:27 cleaverfirearms.com (6909 clicks)
Last edited 16/07/2017 - 12:03 by 2 other users

Great Price at $665, most stores sell these for approx $800

Available models:
20" barrel with straight grip stock
28" barrel with pistol grip stock

Features:
12Ga 3" Chamber
5 shot magazine capacity
Hard chrome bore and chamber
3 x internal screw in chokes
Barrels feature ventilated rib with brass bead
Alloy receiver with 3/8" dovetail rail
Forend accessory rail
Ventilated recoil pad
Synthetic stock
Sling swivels
Weight: 7lbs approx.
5 Year Warranty

For those in NSW Horsley Park Gun Shop have them on special also costing $10 more.
Adler A110 12G 28"
Adler A110 12G 20"

Dealers Licence No: 50000073

Sports & Outdoors Firearm

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    • Adz81 on 20/07/2017 - 10:23

      Wait… What?!?

      Where has it been said that condom sales were inappropriate??

      Please tell me that didn't happen…

  • DB24 on 16/07/2017 - 10:19
    +1

    Thanks op, bought 10

  • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:24
    +1

    Targeted offer.

    Wish they had a 14inch sawnoff model.

  • TheBilly on 16/07/2017 - 10:25
    +7

    Purchase for a little bit more and support your local firearm dealer. They struggle with regulation enough as it is, whats $100 more, or atleast give them the final opportu nity to atleast get close to that price.

    • Hayesy22 on 16/07/2017 - 10:27
      +1

      good call

    • coxymla on 16/07/2017 - 11:21
      +1

      You pretty much have to since most FLGS generally won't accept an xfer from Cleavers.

    • 8200 on 16/07/2017 - 14:09

      In Vic. its like $200 more, and take-it-or-leave-it attitude

      • TheBilly on 16/07/2017 - 16:00

        Gotto make money though. Most fire arm dealers are not rich guys (unless you are Nioa) they are passionate business owners though, which is deserving, and needs to be supported so they can stay open for ua. They can't exactly make money on turn over of stock either, because its not like a TV, where you list a good price and people can just come and pick it up. You need lodge a permit, then wait, then go and buy etc… Obviously if the guys rude and goes, "Na take it or leave it" then thats a bit slack and better judgment would be to avoid, but if theyre genuine and put in the effort to help and just say, "Hey we cant match the price, but we make it up in other ways such as service and effort towards our customers" I would personally pay more.

  • Wibbi on 16/07/2017 - 10:28
    +2

    At first I thought it said Aldi…

    • azz on 16/07/2017 - 12:58

      Glad I wasn't the only one

  • pull the lever on 16/07/2017 - 10:30

    Love all the ozbargain memes!

  • longislandicetea on 16/07/2017 - 10:32
    +12

    Thanks OP got 2. TRS bring it down even further

  • nocure on 16/07/2017 - 10:35
    +1

    Nice Xmas present because the PTA will take that long to be processed.

    • thebargainhunter on 16/07/2017 - 12:54

      Mine was processed in Qld in 4 days.

      • nocure on 16/07/2017 - 13:04

        Lucky bugger

  • Indomietable on 16/07/2017 - 10:36
    +2

    Beware, no band 28

    • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 10:43
      +2

      this is getting very old/wasn't funny when it was new

  • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:37
    +7

    I bit the bullet and purchased one,thank you.

    • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:02
      +5

      I bit the bullet and purchased one,thank you.

      I shelled out for two as well.

      • sanmigueelbeer on 16/07/2017 - 11:14
        +2

        And who's going to ride "shotgun"?

    • cashless on 16/07/2017 - 12:08
      +4

      Pulled the trigger on this deal

    • nocure on 16/07/2017 - 10:43
      +10

      Username checks out.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:45

      As serious as John Howards eyebrows!

  • ihbh on 16/07/2017 - 10:43

    Bought one. Now have to find a use for it!

    • nocure on 16/07/2017 - 10:45
      +1

      http://www.ssaa.org.au

    • sanmigueelbeer on 16/07/2017 - 10:53

      Bought one. Now have to find a use for it!

      I was about to reply with "your mother-in-law might start to like you" but it might offend someone.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:43
    +6

    I'm loving all the butthurt snowflakes who oppose guns yet will happily stuff their face with a lamb roast.

      • nocure on 16/07/2017 - 10:47
        +21

        Unless you're a farmer, you don't need a gun.

        You have no idea what you're talking about.

        • spriggan43 on 17/07/2017 - 09:29

          Right police and criminals also need guns, how else do they play cops and robbers.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:48
        +11

        I have a 70 year old family friend who is a farmer. Her husband passed away so her son and I help her with pest control. Tell me again why I don't need a gun?

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 10:49
          +2

          So you're effectively a farmer.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:51
          +9

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows:

          No, I'm not. Don't try twist words to suit your agenda. Just admit that you're offended by everything and vote for the greens.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:02
          -1

          @nurries: I respect anybody doing farmwork needing a gun. I don't see any need to respect the views of those who are willing to make society less safe to pursue a hobby.

        • Magpye on 16/07/2017 - 11:53
          +11

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows:
          Well, you'd better get busy banning the following pursuits:
          Boxing
          Martial Arts
          Car racing
          Bike racing. Best include bicycles too, because you know, the children.
          Skydiving
          Rock climbing
          Fencing
          Archery
          Chemistry

          Apart from the fact several of those, including shooting, are legitimate Olympic sports, your comment just shows the immense depth of your ignorance.

        • jabroni on 17/07/2017 - 12:03

          @Magpye: none of those activities allow me to bring a gun into a public place and shoot someone or hold up a bank so logical fallacy

        • Magpye on 19/07/2017 - 05:56

          @jabroni:
          Actually, it's the law of the land that doesn't allow you to do those criminal activities, the same law that you inconveniently have to abide by, regardless of your personal views or criminal intent.

          Thanks for sharing your own logical fallacy.

      • stellaaddicted on 16/07/2017 - 10:51
        +2

        just like if I don't see on the news every single morning that people are dying of knife attacks, coward punches or glassing. guns or not guns, whoever wants to harm others, guns are not problem! so at least with one, someone can defend himself/herself.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:03
          +1

          Silly. Martin Bryant wouldn't have killed 35 with knives.

        • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:09
          +5

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows:

          Silly. Martin Bryant wouldn't have killed 35 with knives.

          Why not? There were no police anywhere near the area and given that a woman killed seven in Cairns it's not that hard to conceive that a mixture of using a vehicle and a variety of knives and you could easily kill that number or more. Unless you have someone there with a gun how are you going to stop a knife/machete/sword attack?

          You're just like the idiots in the UK wanting licensing and/or banning acid because of the acid attacks in London. Acid is not the issue.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:12
          +3

          @Maverick-au: You need to learn a bit about basic probability to make arguments on this subject

        • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:19
          +2

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows:

          You need to learn a bit about basic probability to make arguments on this subject

          You need to learn some common sense. You can kill 35 people with knives, a car, a gun, bus or whatever method you choose.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:22
          +3

          @Maverick-au: You're just proving my point. All emotions, no rational thought.

        • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:24
          +3

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows:

          FFS….just proving my point. All emotions, no rational thought.

          Actually you're the one without the rational thought. Guns are not the issue.

          Are you going to blame Acid for the Acid attacks in London? Ban Acid and the Acid attacks go away right? That's your logic.
          Why don't you join the fools in Sweden who want to ban trucks from cities to prevent them being used. Again this is your logic.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:27
          +3

          @Maverick-au:

          Tell me how many knife massacres took the place of the regular gun massacres we had before Port Arthur…

          Please…look them all up. I'll wait.

        • mskeggs on 16/07/2017 - 11:59
          +2

          guns are not problem! so at least with one, someone can defend himself/herself.

          I negged your comment, because this is a very short sighted and simplistic view, and deserves to be disparaged.
          I'm happy to explain why having more guns in the community for the basis of "defence" is an extremely poor idea, but I think if you reflect for a moment you might be able to work it out yourself.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 13:18

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows: the Samurai were pretty good at cutting people up
          Beware of Jamie Oliver ,
          he looks a bit like a hobbit with a grudge

        • spriggan43 on 17/07/2017 - 09:32

          @Maverick-au: Please link when this last happened in Australia, death toll been anywhere near your clam to 35.

      • Hayesy22 on 16/07/2017 - 11:05
        +5

        Legal Firearms owners have very little do with making society less safe but don't let that stop you being offended.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:08
          +3

          You're the one being offended by the implication that your lifestyle choice is making everybody less safe. I have no doubt most gun owners are responsible…but having more guns floating around increases the likelihood of shootings. That's proven.

        • Hayesy22 on 16/07/2017 - 11:11
          +1

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows: lucky for us we have strict gun laws so they just don't float around.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 16/07/2017 - 11:16
          +1

          @Hayesy22: They've worked to this point…but they're being cavilled away at, and this gun circumvents the laws to some degree.

        • Hayesy22 on 16/07/2017 - 11:22
          +3

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows: Lever actions have been around for 100 year. how does this one circumvents the laws to some degree?

        • dinofreak on 16/07/2017 - 11:36
          +4

          @JohnHowardsEyebrows: There are more licensed firearms in circulation now than before the 96 buyback but don't let that get in the way of your argument.

        • mskeggs on 16/07/2017 - 12:01

          Martin Bryant held his firearms legally.
          The gun law changes didn't just reduce the number of guns in the community, but drastically changed the types available, making guns particularly useful for shooting dozens of people difficult to acquire.

        • jovialjosie2002 on 16/07/2017 - 13:15
          +2

          @mskeggs:
          Martin Bryant had a false licence. It was fake. He had a forged one under the name of Martin Bryan (or something like that)

        • mskeggs on 16/07/2017 - 18:00

          @jovialjosie2002:
          Apologies, you are correct. He did not have a legitimate firearms licence.

        • jovialjosie2002 on 16/07/2017 - 20:53

          No problem

    • CookieJacker31 on 16/07/2017 - 14:02
      +2

      I don't often eat lamb but when I do I like to bring it down with 5 shotgun rounds.

  • C3P0 on 16/07/2017 - 10:44
    +4

    Can i use my eneloops as rechargeable ammo?

    • eneloop on 16/07/2017 - 11:43

      Sure can

  • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:46
    +3

    Thanks OP I bought 10 for my terror cell! /s

    Joking aside I find it funny how many reports there are from butthurt people. You realise that you need a gun license to buy these right? A criminal/terrorist would just get one off the black market.

    • mskeggs on 16/07/2017 - 12:05
      +1

      I'll just wander down to the black market souk on the corner and haggle with bitcoin or small unmarked bills with my local unlicensed firearm dealer…

      Of course, by making penalties for unlicensed weapons high, and having strong regulations in place, the terrorists radicalised in our community have ended up with pretty lame weapons, even though we can assume they would happily break laws to get better ones. I would also suggest that the restrictions on handguns/centrefire rifles/semi-auto weapons has made them much less available to any criminals.

      A good outcome.

      • WazzaP on 17/07/2017 - 19:13
        +2

        Penalties for unlicensed weapons aren't actually high, at least in practise - many cases where people are charged with having unlicensed firearms end up with little more than a slap on the wrist. The Shooters party have actually been attempting to get a bill passed with mandatory minimum sentencing for unlicensed firearms for many years, but keep getting knocked back by those who would rather give the illusion of doing something about gun crime, rather than actually doing anything about it. For proof - although it's rather old being for the period 2002-2004 the Australian Institute of Criminology have published "Court outcomes for firearm offences in Australia" which shows that for those found guilty of firearms offences in NSW (82% of those charged), the most common penalty issued was a fine (2,892 fines issued, 42.9% of those found guilty were fined) with only 867 people (12.9%) being directly imprisoned (another 16% or thereabouts with periodic detention, good behaviour and suspended sentences). In fact as a direct quote from the publication "In all jurisdictions except Western Australia, the most frequently imposed penalty for firearm offences was a fine" (WA imprisoned 58% of cases, and only fined 18%)
        Criminals also don't end up with lame weapons - Monis had a pump action shotgun (a licensed firearm owner can't have this), there have been many raids where semi-auto and full auto firearms have been found (google search for "uzi found in Australia" results in a few different news articles where Uzi's have been found - again these aren't available to licensed firearms owners) so in reality it's the licensed firearms owners who end up with the "lame weapons", while criminals don't really care. This is also part of the argument about the Adler - why would a crim care about getting their hands on a lever action shotgun, when they could get a pump action or even semi-auto shotgun just as easily?

        • mskeggs on 17/07/2017 - 20:27

          I appreciate your helpful stats and useful commentary, and many licensing infringements are no doubt not 'criminals' in the sense that they held the firearm for the purpose of committing other crimes, but were reasonably law abiding people who failed to register an old weapon, let licenses expire, didn't properly secure a properly licensed weapon, or did something dumb (but not terrorist/armed robber) like threatening someone with a gun during a domestic dispute.

          It is good that the courts show a measure of discretion in recognising that the circumstances of an old bloke who keeps his Dad's WWII Enfield in the shed without a licence is different to a motorcycle club member doing a drive-by. I'm not of the opinion that there should be stupidly harsh minimum sentences for firearms offences, but I think there should be strong penalties that can be applied at the court's discretion.
          Just looking at NSW, the max penalty for an unlicensed weapon is 5yrs, but having a banned weapon is 14yrs. These penalties are a pretty strong maximum.

          But I think you are missing the essence of what I am saying.
          By heavily restricting the availability of high capacity powerful firearms, and banning many altogether, it becomes much, much harder for a criminal to source one.
          If a criminal can steal a gun, and I note that the source of handguns available to criminals is often stolen lawfully owned handguns, for example, then getting an illegal weapon is not easy at all.

          How would you get a uzi right now, if I told you your life depended on it?
          I suggest because they are not owned legally anywhere in Australia, you would have to develop connections to the underworld, or arrange to steal an equivalent weapon from a police or military armoury. Both these things are much, much harder than sourcing from legitimate owners.

          Monis got hold of a pump action shotgun. If he was able to get hold of a semi-auto with high capacity magazine, don't you think he would have? The general restriction on more dangerous-if-misused firearms resulted in him being more poorly armed than if those weapons were more readily available.

          So I don't agree with the argument that restricting guns only inconveniences the law abiding has a lot of merit, although it is true that is one of the consequences, it also drastically reduces the options available to the bad guys too.

        • PCHammond on 17/07/2017 - 21:10
          +1

          I remember ages ago when they brought in new laws for licensed gun owners where you would get a minimum 2yr jail term for every offense (not sure if this law is still around). The gun club had a news article of a bikie, who had never held a gun license. He was guilty of 27 charges, including numerous assault charges and a huge amount of firearms charges. He got community service.

        • WazzaP on 17/07/2017 - 22:01

          @mskeggs:
          1,669 of the fines given out in NSW were for unlawful possession, with an additional 2 for possession of a prohibited firearm. I'm all for courts showing discretion for things like failing to register an old firearm/licenses expiring etc but going soft on people who should never have firearms in their possession does nothing to deter criminals from illegally obtaining them. Hell the largest fine issued for unlawful possession was only 5k (lowest was $20…), that's not going to deter a drug dealer/bikie etc from carrying "just in case" - even the largest prison sentence for possession at 60mo (lowest was a single month) would do very little to deter a common criminal.

          I disagree with your comment regarding stolen firearms - the largest number of firearms going onto the black market are illegally imported, not stolen from law abiding firearm owners. The NSW Police Minister has recently re-confirmed this when questioned about stolen firearms. When you think about it, it makes far more sense too - if someone wanted to get their hands on a firearm, it's safer for them to import it illegally (only around 10% of shipping containers are actually scanned/inspected on their way into Australia) than it is to break into a house, hope they have firearms, find the safe, break into the safe and hope they have something worth stealing, all while not getting seen/caught in the process.

          How would I get hold of an Uzi - I have no idea, but that's the same answer if you ask me to source any illegal firearm - because I'm not in that sort of environment I don't know the first thing about sourcing it. Note that the police and military in Australia don't (and as far as I'm aware never have) use Uzi's, nor have they ever been legal in Australia - yet multiple people have been able to illegally import and manufacture them.

          As for the Monis comment, no I don't think he would have used a semi-auto. As much as I don't want to give him credit, he actually used the right gun for the crime he was committing - he shortened the barrel of his shotgun to conceal it in a bag, with a semi-auto this is difficult if not impossible for 3 reasons, 1 is most semi-auto firearms use a gas tube near the end of the barrel to force gas back to the action, cycling it - cut this and your semi-auto is no longer semi-auto, 2 they usually have a tube magazine under the barrel, shorten this and you lower the number of rounds you have and 3 he shortened the stock as well - a shotgun has a lot of kick when you fire it, firing a semi-auto shotgun with no stock to speak of will just result in you shooting the roof. Pump actions generally have the mag tube end at the same point that the pump action ends, so if he shortened it here he has less work to do to keep the firearm functional, and it's easier to control a single shot with no stock. A pistol/rifle of any action would also have been less effective in the same area.

        • WazzaP on 17/07/2017 - 22:03

          @FiftyCal:
          Yep this is exactly the problem - go soft on offenders like this and all the crims worry less about what happens if they get caught by the cops with a firearm, and worry more about what happens if they get caught by a rival gang member or similar when they don't have a firearm.

        • mskeggs on 18/07/2017 - 07:53

          @WazzaP:
          I understand your points, but I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions.
          Given that the stats you quote are representative, I see it as startlingly good news that convictions relating to licensable firearms to banned firearms run almost 1000 to 1, to me it shows that access to banned weapons is very difficult, and not a trivial matter to import them. My conclusion is that access to an Uzi or similar anti-personnel combat firearm is very limited.
          So I also conclude that making other weapons that offer high power and high capacity, that is, have a particularly high level of danger if they are misused, more available to licensed firearm holders would make them more available to criminals too. Surely diverting properly licensed firearms to illegal use is the easiest way to get hold of them. It would be interesting to see if associates of criminals report a high frequency of theft of their legitimately owned firearms…

          So I guess I am saying that if importing firearms was straight forward, then why not import plenty of sub-machine guns? An Uzi or a Mac-10 is what the bad guys use in the movies, after all. But the conviction figures show few cases of this. If importing was the best avenue, why are bad guys apparently importing guns that could be legally acquired in Australia anyway? In other words, I think the importation route is a bit of a red herring. Sure, I am positive some number of firearms get imported, but I suggest this is a very small number compared to firearms sourced locally by the bad guys.

          In any case, what is your proposal for a change to the system? It would seem that any changes would have an end result in making guns more available to the bad guys. I don't agree that the availability of guns is so ready that such an increase would be non-material, in fact strongly the opposite.

          The gun laws we have are inconvenient to law abiding citizens, I agree. In some ways, I am probably the demographic most affected. I hunted a bit when I was a kid and young adult, my family includes farmers, my friends and family owned firearms when I was growing up for the hunting trip every year or two.
          Since the gun buy back it has become more costly and administratively burdensome to casually own firearms. As a result, I no longer have even an air rifle. My Dad and grandfather stopped renewing their gun licenses when they got a bit old to hunt and handed in their rifles.
          It surprises me that none of my kids has ever fired a gun, considering what a routine thing it was when I was growing up - a big change in just a generation.
          I can see this isn't all good, my kids would be clueless about gun safety, but I can also see that gun crimes are down and firearms accidents are reduced. And this even when the total number of guns is higher than before the Howard changes (presumably because holders now are better trained, more committed rather than 'casual' and better screened).
          So I think it is fair to conclude the gun laws have 'worked' from that point of view, even if they are a source of ongoing annoyance to the law abiding.
          As for Monis and his weapon choice, I take your point, but I also suggest a big factor in his choice might have been limited alternatives.

    • CookieJacker31 on 16/07/2017 - 15:47

      Nerf guns are better.

  • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 10:47

    I wish I could buy this for home defense.

    I know its not possible reason to own a firearm in Australia but I live in Melbourne. African gangs invaded, bashed robbed and stabbed somebody at my Local supermarket last week. They do regular home invasions/ car jackings and muggings around here and the week before there was a shoot out just near my other local supermarket (Brighton) - police killed the purp.
    Welcome to Bayside Melbourne 2017.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 10:48
      +1

      buy strong security doors/security shutters if you are worried

      • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:13
        +1

        buy strong security doors/security shutters if you are worried

        What happens when you arrive home?
        What happens when you're hanging out the washing?
        Security doors and shutters are fine but they are not a solution to the issue.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 11:19
          +5

          I always takes mah shoddie when ah hangs mah rags, yo

        • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 11:22
          +6

          if you're that scared I suggest you move far, far away (then you won't have to read the Herald Sun)

        • magic8ballgag on 16/07/2017 - 11:48
          +2

          What happens when you're hanging out the washing?

          Are you going to keep the shottie in your washing basket?

          Security doors and shutters are fine but they are not a solution to the issue.

          Neither is a gun/weapon.

        • dread22 on 17/07/2017 - 08:40

          Unless you are carrying around the gun with you literally everywhere you go, having a gun in a locked safe in your house while you hang out the washing or when you arrive home isn't going to do much.

        • Maverick-au on 17/07/2017 - 10:36
          +1

          @dread22:

          Unless you are carrying around the gun with you literally everywhere you go, having a gun in a locked safe in your house while you hang out the washing or when you arrive home isn't going to do much.

          I was referring to the stupid comment that putting security shutters on your windows and doors was all you need to keep yourself safe. Unless you shutter yourself inside the house these do not help when you're outside the house. Security and feeling safe requires multiple layers and not just physical. It could be police patrols in your area, neighbourhood watch, criminals not knowing if the house they invade contains a shotgun, tougher penalties, deportation and so forth.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 12:25

        And lockable solid internal doors. All really helpful in third world countries.

    • teacherer on 16/07/2017 - 10:49
      +2

      Join a gun club

      • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 10:51

        I would, but the only reason I want to one is for home defense and that is not allowed.
        I did years of shooting on farms and have a good understanding of firearms safety.
        My point is it has actually got to this point with violent crime in Melbourne now.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 11:21

          Damn, boy, however much experience you have with firearms if you so afeared you feel you need one in inner Melb then you ought be put on a list banning you from gun ownership for life

        • Maverick-au on 16/07/2017 - 11:28
          +5

          @0jay:

          Damn, boy, however much experience you have with firearms if you so afeared you feel you need one in inner Melb then you ought be put on a list banning you from gun ownership for life

          So the crime statistics are incorrect and all these people are not having their homes invaded by machete and gun wielding violent criminals?

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 11:30

          @Maverick-au:
          No, no, you right. You so, so, right.

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 11:32

          @0jay:
          0jay, I grew up in Richmond in the 80's and 90's and it always slept safe and secure knowing that I had had solid back up should the need arise. During that time I fired it precisely zero times at home.
          I never missed it or really though about it until the (obvious and statistically proven ) huge rise in violent crime in my area and would like that sense of security again. I have a family now a Nothing say "please leave my home" like the business end of a shotgun.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 11:38

          @King Tightarse:
          Well, son, I'm African. I also know how to disarm a frightened redneck without needing a weapon to do it. One of my 14 strapping young sons (3 diff mothers) is a very talented hacker, yo, and has narrowed your IP down to an address. Expect a visit from the Apex fundraising branch very soon. You can refuse a contribution but you'd best be polite about it..

        • imurgod on 16/07/2017 - 11:43
          +3

          @King Tightarse: jokes aside, it sounds like something you should address with your local authorities rather than adding to the problem and landing in jail where you're likely to feel less safe again

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 12:22

          @0jay:
          lol, rightio then. If I meet any frightened rednecks I'll let them know your awesome skills.
          Meanwhile, back in bayside where actual real violent crime is skyrockeing and happening to families, some of whom I know, the point remains.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 12:25

          @King Tightarse:
          The point is, you feel powerless and fearful in your own home. That's just sad and a weapon is a bandaid solution. Seek counselling.

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 12:27
          +2

          @0jay:
          I would like to quietly own one as back up. No big deal to me. Perhaps its a big scary deal to you, Junior.
          Crime, especially home invasion, is getting pretty real around here these days. Perhaps you live somewhere where it is not such a problem.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 12:30

          @King Tightarse:
          Junior? How presumptuous. Fact remains you feel unsafe without recourse to deadly force. Learn to handle yourself and address your existential quivering. A gun in the hands of a guy like you just makes the rest of us feel less safe.

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 12:36
          +2

          @0jay:
          I would feel better with some quiet back up, that's the God's honest truth. No big deal, but then again I am not afraid of firearms as a subject - perhaps you are? Yes, I think you are. You keep talking about fear - but it is you who is scared shitless of calm responsible firearms owners. You just cant imagine it. Perhaps you have little faith in your abilities or just are frightened of the unknown? Really it's a good a good comfortable feeling to quietly know your house is safer and a reaction to actual crime increases.
          These are gang crimes. Usually its 6-8 guys bursting in. I don't think your awesome bullshido is going to do much for you under such circumstances.
          My original point stands. We dont have the choice in Australia but to be honest, I wish we did.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 13:02

          @King Tightarse:
          Christ you have no imagination at all do you? Only thing you can imagine is an exaggerated caricature fed to you by the tabloid media. Just to put a few things to bed: I've just broken a 20 year residency stretch in bayside Melbourne and in actual fact (quite a tidbit to the gun nerds perhaps) my father was apprenticed to Viccas Healey, a Melbourne gunsmith quite well know around the world at the time. My daddy regretfully terminated this apprenticeship to run the family manufacturing business when my grandfather died but continued to make quite nice rifle display cabinets in his spare time to make up for the recessions in the seventies and eighties. When he died, the most valuable items in the will (aside from the business and other properties) were his many guns. In short, although I've no love of firearms I most certainly have zero fear of them. By the same token I never feared a home invasion that a good maple baseball bat couldn't take care of should the need arise. Get yourself some counselling mate. Man up and admit you have a need.

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 13:23

          @0jay:
          Well, I am glad you are comfortable with firearms. That's great.
          I think you have your hand firmly wrapped around your todger if you think one ponce with baseball bat is going to stop the 6-8 guys that just burst in but dream on, maybe it will come true. You are, after all, super internet guy so maybe in your case it will.
          You seem a little unstable throwing insults around on online. You've chucked in a "get counselling" or some other insult into nearly every comment. Personally I just don't feel that threatened - it's just online, I have said my opinion which I stand by. If you don't like it, no big deal, I wont neg your comments or anything like that. I am friendly person and happy to calmly chat about anything you like within reason without getting all upset or throwing a hissy. Perhaps you are a little "sensitive"?
          That's OK. It takes all sorts.

        • 0jay on 16/07/2017 - 13:37

          @King Tightarse:
          You're suggesting you'll blast away with a 20" barrel and that'll solve the problem? Be good for the little one's hearing. Maybe you should get a good insurance policy. The issue you have is an underlying anxiety that's stoked by the tabloid media. Anxiety is a mental health issue, hence get counselling. You're advocating gun ownership for personal protection. You're perpetuating negative racial stereotypes and amplifying tabloid hysteria. That just shows that A: you need a bit of an education around sociological forces or B: you have an anxiety disorder. Maybe both. Either way you should try looking at things another way before you conclude your best solution is a firearm. Counselling could help you to do that.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/07/2017 - 13:37

          @0jay: Daddy issues?

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 13:43

          @0jay:
          Counseling again eh?
          Really you just cant help yourself with a insult tag in every answer. Are YOU in counselling? You can be honest here. OzBargain is a safe place, its OK. Lol
          Me, I can see we have reached the end of the line of reasonable discussion so I wont respond to you any more. You dont agree? It really no big deal. Its just that you're not taking the discussion anywhere useful now.

        • King Tightarse on 16/07/2017 - 13:46

          @Beach Bum:
          Yeah i picked up on that up too.
          If 0jay is a grown man calling his father "daddy" is pretty oddsquad.
          No judgments here though 0jay. Every snowflake is unique and OzBargain is a safe place

        • Findo on 16/07/2017 - 14:28
          -1

          @Maverick-au: nah they dindu nuffin

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