Found this as I was looking for cheap big storage drives on eBay. This store is NOT part of the CATCH20 eBay promotion FYI!
This deal was previously listed last August for $255.55 shipped: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/263651
Model No is MG04ACA600E.
Detailed specs can be found here: http://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/product/storage-pro…
SOLD OUT as of last night.
UPDATE: New stock added http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toshiba-6TB-7-2K-6Gb-3-5-034-512e…
Bugger. I have a (deliberately) low power system in a very hot climate….so I lose on both counts :P
Thanks for the info though :)
What do they mean by "Backup functions in case of power failure"?
Wow, good deal. Hits that all important price point of $37.50 per TB (equivalent to a 4tb drive sold for $150)
Doesn't use SMR either like the seagates, so hopefully more reliable.
Warranty?
Apparently only a 12 month warranty from the seller :/
Probably OEM. Otherwise, good price.
I grabbed two just before they ran out. Bummer
Looks like the warranty is just 12 months too - maybe that's why it's cheap.
They've just relisted with more stock:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toshiba-6TB-7-2K-6Gb-3-5-034-512e…?
Own 6 Toshiba 3.5" disks
Never again
HEAT
NOISE
FAIL
Nope.
5400rpm or bust, screw 7200rpm, if you want speed just buy an SSD.
A 5400rpm HDD is like 10% slower for reads, big deal. Quieter, cooler, less power, less fails.
These are enterprise drives, where heat and noise is not the primary concern…
Ok sure, let's hope buyers on this site put them into enterprise level hardware (high speed fans, no care about noise)
Well if someone buys these drives and doesn't use them with the required cooling then they deserve the consequences…
Doesn't make this deal a bad one though.
They're not very different from an average 7200rpm drive.
You should be fine as long as you have some airflow getting to them.
@ironpaw:
I didn't neg it, I just want to warn people they are bloody hot and noisy.
If I had some serious income I'd gladly offload my 6x5TB ones for like $120 each (I expect I'd get that, they are in flawless condition) and import 6x5TB 2.5" disks (now available in the US) - sure I'd lose performance but my NAS doesn't care when it's dealing with 6 of them and it's much much cooler and quieter.
@Lief1250: >You should be fine
Rubbish. Noise is annoying. Most people are not fine with hard drive noise.
@ironpaw: I'm the one posting about the 'consumer grade' drive, it's noisy garbage.
I have no doubt the enterprise one is made on the same assembly line with a different firmware.
It's unlikely to be quieter
I have quite a few Toshiba 3.5", not more noisy than my other drives, significantly quieter than a seagate i win, and most importantly still going.
Bit worried by lack of warranty though.
I have quite a few Toshiba 3.5", not more noisy than my other drives
Your drives are Consumer drives, not these fast and noisy Enterprise ones.
Probably, although mine are 7200rpm from memory. I run mine in a ML10v2 server, which I do not use as a pillow so the noise doesn't worry me. Probably wouldn't use one as a htpc drive either.
Just to add another data point: I bought 4 toshiba 5tb and have been running them in RAID10 for a bit under a year and a half.
Two have started to show signs of failure (one of them really looks like it's on its way out). On the 'soon-to-be-dead' one, SMART is showing 2208 sectors pending reallocation (normal threshold: 100) and 255 offline uncorrectable errors (i.e. sectors can't be read, normal threshold: 1). This is after 451 days and 17 hours of nearly continuous operation (so not much spin-up, spin-down). Also this guy apparently had one catch on fire: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1TNAQSYCI8UOG/re…
Not saying these ones are bad, just throwing in another experience FWIW.
EDIT: As it turns out, mine actually are the same model as these ones, just the 5tb variant (MD04ACA500). Now that I'm staring down the barrel of backing up ~6TB of "linux isos" and an array rebuild, I realise it probably wasn't worth the $20 per drive saving…
Well, this is a bit of a co-incidence. The HDD I described above has just now failed. It has been booted from my array and smartmontools can't even identify the HDD or manufacturer anymore. And another one is showing 8 sector reallocations… This is gonna suck…
12 Months Systemax warranty…wouldn't these be eligible for Toshiba Warranty? Unless they are OEM Drives?
From this reliable review, Toshiba is the second best HDD Manufacturer https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FY…
I guess only 1 year warranty is the reason why the drive is sold cheaper on eBay.
The problem with that review is that they only had 237 Toshiba drives in production, vs 45000 for Seagate, so you can't really draw such a strong conclusion from it. They may have lucked onto a good batch, been exposed to lower load etc. I'd want to see the stats for at least a few thousand drives, of differing models, in the same setting.
That Backblaze is often quoted and largely irrelevant.
Personally I find Toshiba consumer drives the most reliable in my own fairly limited sample size. Percentage wise, Toshiba FTW, and Seagates a total fail. Not just one kind, but all sorts of different Seagates.
I have lots of those low height 500G and 1TB Seagates dying… some are failing with almost no hours on them! Already out of warranty and only used for archiving - write a couple of times, and read never. Just seize up (Spinup Error), or develop read errors. So many times I have been let down arrggghhh!
I lost another Seagate 2TB over Christmas, and it's going to be a disaster to recover everything. Seems it's been dying for quite some time, and my backups are corrupted GRRRR. I only use it very occasionally, and didn't realise there was any problem until I mounted it and found it struggling to read.
I hate Seagate drives. With a passion. They are the only brand that consistently and repeatedly stuffs me up.
No way I will ever buy Seagate, I've completely lost all trust in the brand. Even if they got 99.99% reliability on Backblaze, I'm the person that would end up buying the 1:10,000 that failed.
/rant
largely irrelevant.
It's not largely irrelevant just because it disagrees with your experience which is meaningless given the low numbers of disks you use.
NOPE.
My comment is a reply to the information linked in the post by SydBargainator
Long post follows, the tl:dr; is that Backblaze almost perfectly matches by own limited experience (perhaps 300 drives in total).
I said it's largely irrelevant because the exact models of drives is not disclosed in that graphic plus it only applies to a very limited dataset (the drives that failed during 2016), and doesn't consider how OLD those drives were.
The full article is here and it'd be wise for you to read it properly. If you look at something more detailed like these 2016 stats you can see that same information broken down by model.
That shows that during 2016, 13.57% of Seagate ST4000DX000 failed. Yet only 2.77% of Seagate ST4000DM000 failed over the same period. So the model certainly matters, and some Seagates are exceptionally bad, whilst other models are almost as reliable as other brands.
Most importantly - take note of the age of the drives - because the quantity of failures during 2016 also need to allow for how OLD those drives are. For example, compare these:
34,738 x Seagate ST4000DM000 avg 21.7 mths old (<2 years) = 2.77% failures during 2016
VS
4,476 x HGST HDS5C3030ALA avg of 55 mths old (4.6 yrs) = 0.75% failures during 2016.
Furthermore, you'll notice that the oldest Seagates still in service are 184 x ST4000DX000 that suffered massive 13.57% failures in 2016, yet were only 3.2 years old. There are 8,125 NON-Seagate drives that are older, yet they only suffered 0.87% failures in the same period.
The next oldest Seagates are the 1.8 year old ST4000DM000 that suffered 2.77% failures during 2016. Those ST's are younger than 16,964 NON-Seagate drives that suffered average of 1.1% (well under half) failures, yet those other drives average 3.4 years old (almost double).
Across ALL the drives in service during 2016, the stats make Seagates even more scary…
45,531 Seagates with an average age of 18.53 months suffer 2.65% failure rate
26,408 NOT-Seagates with average age of 31.6 months suffer 0.82% failure rate
Putting those stats into context:
By choosing a NON Seagate drive, even when 70% older, you will have less than a THIRD the number of failures. Or in reverse, if you choose Seagate then you can expect over 3 times the failure rate within 18 months than from NON-Seagate drives with an average age of 31 months.
We can quantify further - let's check Failure Rate during 2016, and divide that by the drive's ages in Years. That gives us a "reliability quotient over time":
ALL NON-Seagates: Average 2.63 yrs old, during 2016 you'll get 0.31% failures per year of service.
All the Seagates: Average 1.54 yrs old, during 2016 you'll get 1.71% failures per year of service. That is 5.5 times higher.
Even beaten by the pathetic WDC drives: Avg 2.34 yrs, in 2016 you'll get 1.66% failures per year of service.
At Backblaze, the way that they maintain reasonably "low" failure rates (only 3 times worse than all the other drives combined) is by removing the Seagates from service, so their running hours remain low.
Now remember that those stats are for 2016 ALONE, and Seagate has improved lately, right? Aside from Seagate users, most people expect drives to last much longer. So we could review the stats since 2013… and that will just make my argument stronger.
It's not largely irrelevant just because it disagrees with your experience which is meaningless given the low numbers of disks you use
Well, you certainly fell on your sword with that comment. Actually, the stats on Backblaze almost perfectly match my personal experience, so thanks for helping me to prove my point.
Seagate consumer drives are absolutely crap. And WDC are not much better.
Systemax do a few cheap hdd sales at times. Few months ago I picked up 4 x Toshiba 4tb for $500 delivered (ebay offer).
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=282322…
These are still purring along nicely, as well the heap of Toshiba 3tb drives I got 24 months ago from them. Nil DOA, nil fails so far. YMMV
EDIT: oh and I think the 3tb were OEM as nil Toshiba warranty, the 4tb were covered by Toshiba till 2019 from memory
Cheaper than last time offered. Purchased 2 from the previous deal. Great drives. Haven't had any problems with them in PC and HTPC.
Express shipping was super fast. Purchased before 4.45pm. Shipped same day and arrived in Sydney next day before 10am.
These are OEM drives. Hence 1 year warranty. Gets detected as "GENERIC S600 HARD DRIVE" by PC.
Got a reply from Systemax who advised these drives only comes with 12 months warranty through them as the Toshiba Warranty has expired????
THey are claiming these drives are brand new, so I guess them must be OEM drives removed from servers and therefore voided its warranty…
Whaaaaat… That's an alarm bell if ever I've seen. Thanks for the info!
Very tempting must resist!
Can anyone help source HGST coolspin's or suggest something similar?
I'd like to put them in a HP Gen8 microserver with a xeon 1260L and 6540HD graphic card. Those are already contributing to more than stock heat output, so I'm hesitant to go with 7200rpm drives
sold out :(
Systemax is sold out, but there's some for $242 here: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOSHIBA-6TB-MG04ACA600E-6Gb-s-7-2…
Still very cheap.
Personally, id give Toshiba a wide berth.
Noisy, vibratory and hot.
Noisy, vibratory and hot.
If you are describing a potential date, then 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
you'd go on a date with a loud dildo?
No, but I've had good romantic success after joining up that support group for early-onset Parkinson's disease.
Mate bought one, checked the serial on Toshiba's enterprise warranty site, checks out ok. 5 year warranty. Good buy for those that took the risk!
All gone now.
I bought one of these last week. Speed is decent, runs hotter due to 7200 rpm, seems quiet enough.
We'll see how reliable it is in time… (I'm sure it's better than my experiences with Seagate drives).
I replaced 2 drives with them
One is Seagate 2TB, running over 42000 hours
One is WD 2TB Green, running over 36000 hours
Both are still running flawlessly.
I'd say that they both exceed my expectation on how cheap desktop drives handle 24x7 workload…
I just checked some of my drives
Seagate ST3320620AS 68380
Seagate ST31500341AS 49886
Seagate ST3320620AS 44716 - was an Expansion External that survived a drop off the desk, but the case didn't
Following are HP SimpleSaves externals all operating as such still
WDC WD20EADS-00W4B0 50354
WDC WD10EARS-00MVWB0 38061
WDC WD20EARS-00MVWB0 46760
I've had one major failure in 9.5 years, where another HP SimpleSave took a trip off the desk and a chunk of data couldn't be recovered.
Mine came today. I'm really glad I bought this, it was even better than I expected.
It's not loud at all and runs cooler than my Seagate barracuda.
Also like the other anon I found a serial code check here and it's covered until 2021.
Got both of mine installed on my Synology NAS. Volume repair went through flawlessly. The drive, compared to my other NAS drives, is as quiet, but a little bit hotter when under full load. Not a big issue though, as my Synology cooling fan runs at full speed.
More stock listed
I have been counter offered 2 units @ $220.
Anyone tried to make an offer also? if so, how many units and price please.
cracking price for 6TB
found this review;
http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/reviews/hardware/ssd/3…
The Toshiba MG04ACA600E lives up to its “Enterprise” name. It offers very high throughput for both read and write while being paired with a low seek time in random access patterns. With its spindle speed of 7,200 RPM and 128MB of cache on hand, little comprise is made here, the inevitable tradeoff is reflected in power consumption, noise and heat. For these reasons, the HDD is not suited for normal desktop use, instead aimed at the Enterprise segment as the series name would suggest.
Positive aspects of the Toshiba MG04ACA600E:
Very high write rate
Very high reading rate
Very low Random Access Time
24x7 operation
Backup functions in case of power failure
Negative aspects of the Toshiba MG04ACA600E:
High temperature
High power consumption
High noise