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New Model ThinkPad E470 Gen7 i5-7200U, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD $599 Shipped @ Lenovo ($730 with FHD)

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This laptop was released just last week, and $599 seems like a great price. Add coupon DEALE470 at checkout to save $250. If you prefer a FHD screen, this will add $131 to the price. Ends 11:59pm AEDT Sunday Extended to 11:59pm AEDT Oct 14 Extended again until this coming Sunday Oct 16. Enjoy :)

  • Intel Gen7 i5-7200U CPU
  • 14" HD (1366 x 768), AntiGlare
  • 8GB(4+4) DDR4 2400MHz SODIMM
  • 720p HD Camera with MIC
  • 1TB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm, 2.5", SATA3
  • 6 Cell Li-Polymer Battery 45WH
  • Dual Band Wireless (2x2 WiFi, 802.11ac, BT 4.1)

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  • webtherapist on 05/10/2016 - 10:46
    +1

    cashrewards too?

  • dazweeja on 05/10/2016 - 10:47
    +2

    This is actually pretty decent. Only issue is the integrated graphics might not be good enough for some. Also, you can select 1x8Gb instead of 2x4GB for no extra.

    • unit0000 on 05/10/2016 - 11:01
      +2

      What is the benefit of getting the 1x8gb as opposed to 2x4gb?

      • worthy1 on 05/10/2016 - 11:04
        +11

        I'm guessing so you have the same RAM but it leaves you with a spare spot to add more.

      • knackers on 05/10/2016 - 11:04
        +3

        u can add another 8gb and make it 16gb

      • Diji1 on 05/10/2016 - 11:14
        +3

        You may lose 1 or 2% performance as far as RAM benchmarks due to moving to single channel RAM configuration. In reality this is meaningless and unnoticeable though.

        • c0balt on 05/10/2016 - 11:58
          +7

          Yes and no.

          When it comes to gaming on integrated graphics, dual channel RAM can give more than a 100% increase in FPS over single channel RAM. CPU performance is relatively unaffected, but dual channel is a must on iGPU machines.

          Recently release video on single vs dual channel ram on integrated GPU machines.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM6LuMyaAHo

          Personally I would go with 2x4GB on this machine as I don't think purchasing another 8GB stick for 16GB all up would be a cost effective upgrade for this machine now, or in the future.

        • Colombian on 05/10/2016 - 13:20
          +1

          @c0balt: Unless you have to deal with virtual machines on a daily basis.

        • KaTst3R on 05/10/2016 - 13:23
          +6

          @c0balt:

          I think what the video said was a little misleading. He started off with 2x4gb and ran his games. He then proceeded to remove 1 stick of 4gb leaving only 4gb in the system and ran "games that dont need more than 4gb" which includes CS:GO and the frame rate halved. What he should have done is to use a 1x8gb and 2x4gb as test. It is a no brainer that once your system has insufficient resources, performance tanks and it is not a linear decrease. I ran CS:GO, it uses 6.5gb of my total available ram. So I think saying that gaming on iGPU with dual channel RAM compared to single channel can give more than 100% increase in FPS is potentially misleading as what he was actually comparing is 4gb vs 8gb.

        • c0balt on 05/10/2016 - 13:59

          @KaTst3R:

          There is something very wrong with your computer or CS:GO install if its using that amount of RAM when playing.

          Even half of that would be worrying.

          The other tests which are more demanding of compute power found little to no difference in single VS dual channel and should have had a significant FPS difference if the system was gasping for RAM - more so than CS GO.

          This topic has been done a few times though. Jayz2cents covered it well with the AMD APU series and found the same difference.

        • dazweeja on 05/10/2016 - 14:34
          +2

          @c0balt:

          Regardless, that test is meaningless. The OS will make a bunch of different decisions regarding memory (virtual memory size, paging file, prefetching, etc) when confronted with half the RAM. You can try to guess at the performance implications or you could just test 1x8GB vs 2x4GB in the first place.

        • c0balt on 05/10/2016 - 14:59
          -1

          @dazweeja:

          Then there would have been a significant difference in all titles, especially more demanding ones than CS GO.

          Don't disregard pertinent information. If you are so certain that the tech guys on YouTube and general consensus when googling the topic are wrong, the put your money where your mouth is and replicate the test your way. Or find a source that says opposite, that would give credibility to your counter argument.

          When you find the same result, let us know!

          Here's another set of benchmarks where the amount of ram was the same yet still a huge performance increase in going dual channel from single channel:
          http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/dual-channel-memory-make-diff…

        • Drifta on 05/10/2016 - 15:56
          +1

          @c0balt: The point here is that you can't have the amount of ram in the system and compare performance, regardless of what the real implications are. You are not comparing apples with apples as soon as you do 1 test with 4gb ram and another with 8gb. Working with ram management issues for VMWare related applications, the system certainly makes vastly different memory decisions. If you are going to put a comparison video out you MUST compare like for like and then jump to whatever conclusions.

        • c0balt on 05/10/2016 - 16:12
          +2

          @Drifta:

          Mate, click on the source in the comment you just replied to.

          They tested it and found a huge difference. That is 8gb single channel lost out significantly compared to 2x4GB in dual channel. That's the argument - single vs dual channel, not the amount of RAM.

          "In this test, we had a very different result from when we tested the performance gain using dual-channel memory with an independent video card: using dual-channel memory on an integrated GPU provides a great performance improve in games.
          The use of dual-channel memory made a big difference in those tests because the main RAM is used as video memory and, differently from the “real” video cards, the video memory is not exclusive. Using dual-channel memory configuration, and not single-channel, is like exchanging a video card with 64-bit memory bus for another one, with the same GPU but 128-bit bus. It is the same performance impact."

          Read more at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/dual-channel-memory-make-diff…

          If you are doubling your memory bandwidth bus then you are going to get a lot more out of an integrated GPU.

          The amount of upvotes on comments saying there is no difference, despite not a single source backing that information up, and multiple sources testing finding that dual channel RAM gives massive gaming performance gains on integrated graphics over single channel is really bad.

          People read these comments and base their purchases on the information. So it's important that they know to get dual channel over single channel on a machine that has an integrated GPU.

          Happy to actually change my mind if someone could find a decent source (if it's possible).

        • dazweeja on 06/10/2016 - 17:43
          -1

          @c0balt:

          "If you are so certain that the tech guys on YouTube and general consensus when googling the topic are wrong, the put your money where your mouth is and replicate the test your way. Or find a source that says opposite, that would give credibility to your counter argument."

          I made no claims about the performance impact of dual vs single channel memory on iGPU performance. Merely that as a test to measure this, the link you provided was meaningless. You can't have a test that changes two critical factors and conclude that the variability is related to just one. Your second link was relevant. You could have just posted that instead of a rant that had no relation to my comment.

    • crazym0nkey on 05/10/2016 - 12:28
      +2

      It says in the tech specs, that there is "NVIDIA GeForce 940MX 2GB DDR3" graphics option, but don't see it when actually selecting them on the build.

  • jva on 05/10/2016 - 10:53
    +1

    What's the weight with the battery on?

    • go2home on 05/10/2016 - 11:14
      +1

      1.9KG

      • jva on 05/10/2016 - 11:16
        +1

        So that's not portable.

      • aaroncmw on 05/10/2016 - 11:18
        +5

        <1kg = :)
        1.5kg = :-|
        1.9kg = :"(

        u'll be crying if ya travelling this around during trips.

        • jva on 05/10/2016 - 11:20
          +1

          1.5kg would be still good for travel, but any lappy weights about 2kg will be determined as a Lite Desktop nowadays.

  • zakma on 05/10/2016 - 10:55
    +4

    $879.99 with FHD + 256 SSD

    • Savabuck on 05/10/2016 - 11:13
      +4

      IMHO - you'd be better off buying the SSD separately then installing yourself. You'd get better value for money & have a 1TB hard drive to use elsewhere. Only (big) issue would be around warranty if anything went wrong though.

      • Diji1 on 05/10/2016 - 11:15
        +1

        Agreed - but make sure you can do that before buying.

      • worthy1 on 05/10/2016 - 11:31

        Hopefully Lenovo have gotten rid of their one touch recovery rather than a CD as this makes changing hard drives a pain….

        • IJustKnowStuff on 05/10/2016 - 12:06

          Also long as you keep the Windows Key, which should be on a sticker on the laptop, then you can just install an generic OEM version (using your key) of windows and download and install the drivers from Lenovo. Same same, but different, but the same.

          I did that with mine at one stage and it works great.

        • worthy1 on 05/10/2016 - 12:40

          @Spectator:
          Didn't work for me recently but could of been a one off :(

        • PinzVidz on 05/10/2016 - 14:15
          +7

          @Spectator: Isn't Windows licence data embedded in the BIOS these days as opposed to having stickers?

        • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 17:34

          @Spectator: Laptops haven't had stickers for a few years now! last laptop I bought was 5 years ago which has a Windows Key stuck on it. "at one stage" would mean back in 2008 for you I'm guessing LOL?!

        • klumsybot on 05/10/2016 - 20:14

          Why not download from their website?

        • IJustKnowStuff on 06/10/2016 - 13:34

          @worthy1: You probably weren't using a "OEM version" install. I had to download a normal ISO from microsoft (or a mirror of their stuff) and modify a config file on the ISO to enable/change the version to OEM. (Or you could find a OEM version to begin with)

          Won't work otherwise. (My example was for Win7 though)

        • IJustKnowStuff on 06/10/2016 - 13:35

          @PinzVidz: You can usually extract that info if it's built into the BIOS/image.

        • worthy1 on 06/10/2016 - 13:47

          @Spectator:
          Yeh the issue was an upgrade, so the key I had was for Windows 8. After replacing the hard drive I found out Windows 10 doesn't work off keys (unless you buy new?) so the key was useless and I ended up having to use a previously bought windows 8 cd to reinstall the OS. It was then a nightmare trying to get the right drivers for all the hardware as they were coming up with quirks. Plus now stuck with windows 8.1 unless I buy 10.

          Still have some issues such as not being able to access my NAS and a few other quirks so I decided to jump on the Flex 4 deal instead :)

      • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 14:16

        How easy is it for an ol' fart to install an SSD into a laptop? Also, does the hard drive stay in the computer and can you still use it for storage (ie, switch between the SSD and the hard drive)?

        • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 17:37
          +1

          Don't risk it.. get them to do it.. its worth the extra $30 and the Head F%ck

        • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 17:47

          @Gavman:
          Thank you Gavman. A Head F%ck is something I can definitely do without :-)

        • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 18:08

          @Gavman:

          Wait a minute … extra $30, or extra $150 to change config to SSD?

        • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 18:46
          +1

          @ifonlyiwasyounger: if you bought a 250gb ssd that would cost you around $120 to put in yourself. This way you pay $150 and they chuck it in for you and ensure windows is installed properly and activated ready to go. So ur saving around $30 to go thru the hassle urself.

          Some people want to choose their own drive or want the experience swapping it out themselves. If ur not of of those people just add it the order.

        • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 19:04

          @Gavman:
          Thank you Gavman … I understand now.

        • klumsybot on 05/10/2016 - 20:24
          +1

          Unfortunately I don't see it on the Lenovo Services Training website yet.

          However the Hardware Maintenance Manual makes it look pretty easy, starts at page 57. 3 screws and lift off the bottom plate, most parts are readily accessible. Just be gentle handling the ribbon cables, gently flick them up with a fingernail, not a metallic screwdriver.

          https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/e470_e470c_e4…

          It also details how to create a recovery USB drive for reinstallation of the OS if you do change HDD, Page 31.

          It doesnt seem there is room in the laptop to run both HDD and SSD; that space is taken up by the battery.

        • klumsybot on 05/10/2016 - 20:40

          @ifonlyiwasyounger:

          I'm not too sure where he's getting $30 from. You can buy a 240GB ssd for $88, so that would be a difference of $62 for parts…

        • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 20:51

          $88 will do the job but is probably an inferior drive. I would go with a Samsung Evo 850 for $120 or 750 for ~ $100 mb cheaper on special somewhere. Point is why worry about 60 bucks if its means screwing around with something ud rather not being doing.

        • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 22:02
          +1

          @klumsybot:
          Thank you klumsybot - very useful info :-)

        • klumsybot on 06/10/2016 - 01:45
          +1

          the $88 Sandisk drives are pretty good, they cut the right corners to make them a good budget drive

          If you wanted to stay Samsung you could try the 750 for $99 I guess

          I'm not contesting that the 850 evo is a better ssd, but I don't think the +$30 (36% more) is worth it.

        • Vitou on 06/10/2016 - 05:03

          @klumsybot: do you think it is easy to clean the fan?

      • zakma on 05/10/2016 - 16:45

        Would have liked if it had a DVD drive so you can swap it for a SSD and keep the 1TB HDD

      • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 17:33

        Agreed but also a pain in the ass. Some people want to start using it as soon as they rip it out of the box and not F around.

      • klumsybot on 05/10/2016 - 20:13

        Quick look on MSY says:
        240gb SSD for $88
        480gb SSD for $165

        • KeplersLaws on 06/10/2016 - 06:44

          it's VERY easy.
          on my old E560 it was a case of popping off the back case, removing the hard drive caddy, removing the ssd from that caddy, popping in the new ssd, and putting the caddy back in place.
          lennies are heaps customisable

        • Aplpw on 07/10/2016 - 23:57

          @KeplersLaws:
          I saw E560 for $699 on their website, 8GB RAM, 1TB, with DVD drive, but old i5. This model only came out last year , why you said your ' old ' E560 ?

        • KeplersLaws on 08/10/2016 - 07:41

          @Aplpw:
          by old i mean not the new literally just released _70 models, but _60 released about a year ago. im guessing very similar architecture

        • Aplpw on 08/10/2016 - 11:27

          @KeplersLaws:
          Thanks, my 3 years old ASUS will be super old now, more reasons for me to upgrade :)

        • klumsybot on 08/10/2016 - 18:08

          Old i5 = i5-6200. The xx60 Lenovos are all 6th generation Intels.

          This deal is talking about an E470 (the 4 means 14" and the 70 means 7th generation)

      • playswithfire on 19/10/2016 - 22:46

        Got any tips on installing that? I just received mine today and it's non-obvious - the sata connector attaches via a ribbon that is stuck to this foil thing which is stuck to the hard drive :(

  • alwaysupforabargain on 05/10/2016 - 11:01

    "Ships in more than 4 weeks" :(

    • tightarse on 05/10/2016 - 11:10
      +1

      The basic $599 model ships in 6-9 business days. If you add FHD, then it changes to 4 weeks :)

      • dazweeja on 05/10/2016 - 11:13

        TA, do you know when you receive the tax invoice? Straight after purchasing or when shipped? Thinking of salary sacrificing at work and I'm on a tight deadline to get it approved.

        • tukanglistrik on 05/10/2016 - 11:24
          +1

          From my last Lenovo purchase, issued when shipped.

        • dazweeja on 05/10/2016 - 11:28

          @tukanglistrik:

          Thanks. That's going to be a problem for me then.

        • tightarse on 05/10/2016 - 12:13
          +3

          @dazweeja: Hi dazweeja. Just asked my contact at Lenovo and he said they can supply a 'pro forma invoice' by calling their telesales team on 1300 557 073. This invoice is basically a commitment that can be sent before shipment, but please check whether your company can accept this for salary sacrificing etc.

        • dazweeja on 06/10/2016 - 00:09

          @tightarse:

          Legend! I'll give them a call tomorrow.

      • alwaysupforabargain on 05/10/2016 - 11:56
        +1

        Yeah was playing around with the specs and found that too, thanks TA

      • Gibberlosh on 05/10/2016 - 15:05

        Anyone know how much more than 4 weeks it would be? I fly out 7th Nov and would like it before then to get my gst…

  • AlexF on 05/10/2016 - 11:22
    -6

    Going out on limb, here… I recommend people wait for UHD option…

    1366 x 768 is a waste of eyesight - effectively, only on foreground window at a time.
    FHD is neither here nor there - without scaling, UI chrome is too small; with scaling, cannot do integer-based, whilst floating-point-based scaling gives imprecise rendering because logical pixels overlap multiple physical pixels.
    UHD is the only way to go - with integer-based, 2x, scaling have logical FHD resolution for UI chrome and bitmaps; and UHD, for vectors and fonts.

    • jva on 05/10/2016 - 11:28
      +3

      FHD IPS is good enough as a laptop screen, the biggest concern for this deal is the weight "1.9kg" which is not portable at all for carrying around.

      • AlexF on 05/10/2016 - 11:34
        -3

        FHD IPS is good enough

        Everyone's got an opinion …

        However, you'll be among those crying "Microsoft is sh!t" and "Windows scaling is crap" when attempting non-integer-based scaling.

        • Lukian on 05/10/2016 - 11:46
          +9

          I don't think the majority of users care if or how their integers scale.

        • revolutio on 05/10/2016 - 13:59

          Most people who know enough to complain will be running 96 DPI anyway. UHD on a 14 inch screen is useless when you're forced to run at 192 DPI to make text readable.

        • AlexF on 05/10/2016 - 14:50

          UHD on a 14 inch screen is useless when you're forced to run at 192 DPI to make text readable.

          UHD on 14" is 315dpi. 2x scaling means 157dpi for bitmaps and 315dpi for vectors and fonts. Where's 192dpi in any of this?

    • BradH13 on 05/10/2016 - 11:50
      +11

      My 14 inch full HD laptop from a fair while ago renders Windows 10 fine without scaling at all? Crystal clear and perfectly big enough to read without a magnifying glass.

      UHD on a 14 inch screen is sheer madness. Bad battery life/power draw and you have to use scaling for it to be usable. Even 1440p on a 14 inch screen is getting toward the stage of 'why do I need this'…

  • asianbargain on 05/10/2016 - 11:22

    This is very tempting. Can anyone tell me is this good laptop ? I just use laptop for download movie typing word and rarely photoshop .

    • jva on 05/10/2016 - 11:29

      Good but a bit heavy.

      ps. get the FHD display one.

  • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 11:24
    +2

    7th Gen intel CPU?!? Whaaa when did that come out?

  • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 11:29
    +1

    Hard disk is the biggest drag. upgrade too ssd a must

  • Save Medicare on 05/10/2016 - 11:32
    +2

    Man I just got an I3 e460 for $550. Bit annoying but I couldn't have waited anyway.

    Just a note from someone who's always used 12.5in ultraportables, these things are big.

    • sky blu on 05/10/2016 - 11:35
      +2

      Ex-prime minister only uses an i3? Pffttt…

      • AlexF on 05/10/2016 - 11:40
        +2

        Even i3 can keep up with his forefinger typing speed. If he practices touch-typing, he may need an upgrade when he returns to office before next election.

      • niner on 05/10/2016 - 11:46
        +5

        ex prime minister did nothing but read pdfs and watch youtube

        • sky blu on 05/10/2016 - 12:39

          yep, only the safe for work stuff.

  • Rilakkuma on 05/10/2016 - 12:18
    -2

    Code not working.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2016 - 12:37

      you probably had caps lock on

      please turn it off and try again

      if that fails turn your computer off, wait 2 mins and then turn it back on again

  • Clear on 05/10/2016 - 12:44
    +1

    Sometimes these deals are better than what I get wholesale. Thanks TA.

  • artxty on 05/10/2016 - 12:49
    +1

    Does it have a backlit keyboard?

    • harro112 on 05/10/2016 - 15:23

      doesn't appear to. doesn't seem like any of the new E range do :(

  • Kanasuke on 05/10/2016 - 13:01
    +2

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-7500U-Review-…

    From what I can gather from this article it says:

    • 7th gen CPU is about 9-10% faster than 6th gen CPU of the same SKU

    • GPU it says it's about 20% to 30% faster.

    I didn't search very hard and this article is almost a month old so…

    • Gavman on 05/10/2016 - 17:40

      I read its not much diff at all and judging by the fact they barely told anyone they were releasing 7th Gen CPU's (hardly any publicity) id be inclined to believe so otherwise they would have made more noise about it rather than keep it a secret lol.

      • klumsybot on 05/10/2016 - 20:38
        +1

        Kaby lake's chipset (Union Point, 200 series) was supposed to integrate usb 3.1 controller instead of needing a third-party controller from someone like Asmedia.

        I predict Lenovo have chosen to keep on the previous chipset (Sunrise Lake, 100 series). I see usb 3.1 isn't listed in any of the specs. They might try to use USB 3.1 as an 'upsell feature' of the T470 or maybe L470 laptops from the budget E series.

  • qwertyaz on 05/10/2016 - 13:08

    Can anyone confirm if lenovo still does 14 days change of mind free return? Called them for the previous deal and said no

  • Rumbaar on 05/10/2016 - 13:31
    +1

    Does anyone know if I can use 2 external monitors [HDMI & VGA] at the same time as the in built screen? So 3 monitors extended screen at the same time.

    • ntt on 05/10/2016 - 13:54
      -1

      Why? You have 3 (set of) eyes?

    • cucumber on 05/10/2016 - 16:00

      Generally yes. I have 2 older laptops at work that have a VGA and an hdmi ports and they are both capable of outputting to 2 external monitors plus the built in screen. So I'd imagine this one can too.

  • Aplpw on 05/10/2016 - 13:32
    -1

    No optical drive if that matters…

    • FutureTech on 06/10/2016 - 12:21

      It does not matter

  • concatenate on 05/10/2016 - 13:46

    Thanks OP :) sister was looking for a laptop to use at home and this ticked all the boxes!

  • vchung916 on 05/10/2016 - 14:05

    It would be good if it supports USB type C and has touchscreen.

    • frowny on 06/10/2016 - 00:33

      Also if it could 3D print me a Dell XPS15 with USB C and a touchscreen, that would be nice.

  • user01 on 05/10/2016 - 14:19

    14" HD (1366 x 768)， horrible。 must upgrade to FHD + 256 SSD (cheaper to buy ssd separately if you have the ability to DIY.)

  • ifonlyiwasyounger on 05/10/2016 - 14:43

    How easy is it for an ol' fart to install an SSD into a laptop? Also, does the hard drive stay in the computer and can you still use it for storage (ie, switch between the SSD and the hard drive)?

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