Not gonna lie, but I don't know how people can hand wash dishes and not rinse!? Absolutely disgusting…!!! It's like washing the sheets and letting them dry with suds still in them you just wouldn't do it!
Curious to know who feels the same way!
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Amen.
have you seen the crap coming out of your HWS? Better off rinsing with cold water…
Meh, hot water tends to have high levels of copper etc. You wash your body with water that comes from the hot water service. I wouldn't recommend drinking water from the hot tap though.
When I had my hot water service changed the amount of shit that came through the pipes was disgusting. Brown, rusty looking crap.
That said about 30 seconds of the hot tap on cleaned it up
I always soak in cold water, wash, then rinse with cold water whenever possible. It's much more cost efficient that way since only hot water really costs money. However, in winter I will not sacrifice the health of my hands by running them through icy cold water. The difference between 5L of cold water and 10L of cold water is 1.5c.
If you don't rinse the detergent out, you and your entire family are consuming this toxin every time you eat/drink something off those plates/cups.
The dishwasher is amazing, however not always possible. Even then, it may require a rinse afterwards depending on the orientation of your items.
I use a kettle, works like magic
I just have a dishwasher, like a normal non pleb person. If I don't have a dishwasher I hire a hooker of cleaner to do the dishes
Nice! Bit of spit n polish after to really get the job done good!
I thought I was the only one who did this. Plus this way saves more water too I reckon.
D I S H W A S H E R
Dishwashers are the best. Still need to wash pots and pans in the sink though as well as the good knives.
I shove as many things as I can into the dishwashers, except the non-stick ones!
Non stick dish washer ? Please explain :-)
Next time, try shoving and cooking your meal in the dishwasher too while you wash last night's dirty dishes. Get 2 for the price of 1
Our dishwasher uses around 11L per wash. The amount of stuff I can get in it is equivalent to at least two loads of hand washing at 5L each, and usually 3 or 4 loads of hand washing worth in the machine.
Ours is powered by the sun from solar panels, or off peak electricity. It heats water internally rather than heating a great big tank full to 'not hot enough'. So it's more efficient with hot water.
You need special detergent for hand washing anyway.
Installed it myself. Once the power point is there it isn't hard to install.Dishwasher will clean dishes much better than hand washing
I can better use my time for other than washing up.@geek001: Still disagree.
Rarely rinse dishes before they go in, no more than I would rinse a dish before washing by hand.
Mostly start dishwasher when it is full. Typically 5-6 loads per week, only gets a half load if we aren't going to be home (or eat at home) for a couple of days.
Never used dishwasher cleaner, it only smells when it is waiting with dirty dishes to fill a load. Had my own dishwasher for about 8 years. My parents had one while growing up, they never needed to 'clean' the dishwasher.
Dishwashers use hotter water and stronger detergent than hand washing.
How many times do you take 10-15 mins to wash up each day?Besides, I don't care if it costs more
Definitely not a false economy
Research carried out by Christian Paul Richter between 2007 and 2008 on two hundred households in Germany, Italy, Sweden and Britain, found that the households which had a dishwasher used on average 50pc less water and 28pc less energy than the households that didn't own a dishwasher.
@Dr Prepper: "Definitely", are you sure? I would ask you to check who Christian Paul Richter works for at the time. It's kinda like car companies doing research on how fuel efficient their cars are. If you are pretty water wise, I doubt any dishwasher can use less water than you.
I find 50% more water hard to believe, unless you just let the tap run the whole time you are washing your dishes?
Step 1: Do your dishes immediately after eating, to stop food being dried out.
Step 2: Fill up a small container with detergent and water.
Step 3: Wash the dishes.
Step 4: Rinse.Most dishwasher has 2 cycles, wash and rinse = at least 1.5 times amount of water compared to by hand. Logic dictates that the study you referred to is not credible.
Also, the study does not include the water used in pre-treatments and if the hot water used is at a lower temperature(less than 65degrees), hence the "power savings".
@Dr Prepper: you all forgetting to count in the cultural factor here, a typical western household would be more likely to use plates than big bowls and small bowls like asian's do, so dishwasher would be more economical. So it's safe to ask if geek001 is asian or not before discounting his point.
Back to the topic, I also found the problem only happens among my caucasian friends who only wash dishes without rinse, never seen an asian one do this.
I agree about culture.
The Germans in the research efficiently load the dishwasher them have efficient German sex.
@geek001: modern dishwashers use between 11-15l of water per cycle. I couldn't do dishes for three meals in that little water, especially with a post wash rinse.
Yep. Some dishwashers even capture the water from the final rinse and reuse it as a pre-wash rinse for the next load. 👍🏻
@Euphemistic: Looks like using the dishwasher is working out cheaper for you. Good on you. I guess we will just agree to disagree on this one. :)
When I had the dishwasher, my electricity bill was significantly higher and I had to buy all these extra things for the dishwasher and be mindful to not overfill it, otherwise it doesn't clean properly. My old dishwasher can only achieve 11L per load on Eco mode, which never cleans properly. I guess you have got a good one.
@geek001: we had a dish drawer double unit. It felt like that was not as efficient. Twice as many loads which increased the amount of detergent, the amount of time loading and unloading and due to the restricted space seemed to not fit as much in two drawers as I could put into a full sized machine. If we weren't a family of five, maybe a couple only, then the dish drawers may have been even more efficient than our current machine.
@dbun1: Maybe you can enlighten me how I am using a dishwasher all wrong?
Put dirty dishes in. Put in dishwasher detergent. Press start? What did I miss?
Yep - as someone that lives on their own, it takes nearly a week to fill a dishwasher.
The rinse only cycle is ~4L - so I use that to keep the plates clean until it is full - stops the machine smelling and crud drying onto the plates.
It takes 4.8L of running water before I get hot water from my kitchen tap. It takes another 5L of water to fill the sink to a level just enough to handwash things well (I have a big, wide sink). So that's basically 10L of water per day to handwash, not factoring in rinsing afterwards. Over 5 days that's 50L of water.
Even if I run the rinse cycle everyday to keep the plates held in the machine clean to prevent odours, that would be 20L of water over the 5 days, plus 11L for the actual wash - so 31L.
The power more or less evens and the washing tablets I buy on sale are a negligible amount more expensive than dishwashing liquid.
I used to think handwashing was the best way, then over a two week period I measured and calculated and realised the machine was more efficient - which is exactly what most of the reports/studies online say.
My machine isn't even the most economical on the market - it was the freebie thrown in with my build.
I quote your post earlier:
I had a dish washer. You are not counting the water you use to rinse your plates before you put it in the dishwasher.
You're doing it wrong.
@dbun1: So no pre rinsing? I am guessing you have a new-ish dishwasher. From my "conversation" with @Euphemistic I realised that he/she has probably got quite a new dishwasher whereas the one I had was quite a few years old and that was a few years ago. I suspect his/her experience and mine differ because of this.
It's good to see you're using that spare time wisely :D
No. My machine is new I guess, but it's a cheapo machine that was included with the build - so nothing special.
Technology has improved though, so even bargain bin units are not bad, with the better units even more frugal on water consumption.
@geek001: Newer dishwashers will send a quick blast of water and then check how dirty it is, to get a gauge on how dirty the dishes are. You're actually better off not pre-rinsing in that case.
@geek001: I have never met anyone, ever, who preferred not having a dishwasher. Maybe i keep weird company
@geek001: you probably had one of those old shitty cheap ones, modern dishwashers are great, maybe go research on some of them
Our dishwasher uses 7 litres of water, and according to the electricity meter we plugged it into, 13 cents of electricity per load, and that's with heating its own water. It rarely ever leaves anything uncleaned and if it does it simply goes back in again.
@Euphemistic:
Rinsing before dishwasher can result in a bad wash.
A lot of dishwashers now do a short pre wash cycle and then check the turbidity of the water to determine the level of wash required.better to scrape, load and hit the go button.
I use the shortest cycle possible (around 36 minutes), no drying, the steam dries the dishes anyway. I bought my tablets on sale (50 tablets for $10), also cut them into 1/3 size otherwise the dishes come out soupy. I pretty sure this is cheaper in the long run. OzBargain is a lifestyle.
EDIT: We pre-rinse the dishes before putting them into the dishwasher. We save water from washing veggies or rinsing hands.
Studies have shown pre-rinsing dishes by hand does nothing.
Scrape excess food into the bin, then put them straight into the dishwasher. Same result.
@mgowen: Apparently it is also beneficial to leave some food residue on the plates as it assists the detergent in the machine.
Wow, you must be saving heaps.
Have you checked to see which is the most efficient?
On quite a few machines the shortest possible cycle is not actually the most economical.
@Euphemistic:
Yes I saw articles like that. But we do save up a whole day worth of dishes and only run it a night so I think it is necessary to pre-rinse them so they don't smell! This is also why we use the shortest cycle and only use 1/3 of a tablet.@dbun1:
I did! It uses 10L of water on that cycle and significantly less energy ( I can't remember what the number was). It's actually the glassware cycle.
It costs 35c in electricity to run my dishwasher on a 2 hour cycle. This is the exact amount measured by a device.
Interesting! What temperature water does that cycle use? And is it fair to assume the dishwasher heats the water itself (ie the water inlet to the machine only delivers cold water)?
But how much does it cost to heat the water used by the dishwasher?
Me thinks a tad more than 35 cents.
I have gas Hot water, so unfortunately can't answer that. But gut feel is no more than 5c
35c sounds about right.
between 0.8 and 1.5kW for the Eco and Heavy cycle in my Asko with cold water input.
You must be really fun to live with.
I like the idea of having my own dishwasher, but I dislike the idea of marriage, and commitment scares me.
That's like brushing your teeth and not rinsing the tooth paste out of your mouth!
Funnily enough my dentist advised me to do that to protect my enamel :P
Yes, the benefit of fluoride.
I wonder if a thin film of dishwashing liquid has a similar effect - to discourage bacteria from landing and growing on the "clean" plates?
Could be the "it's just disgusting, I always rinse!" people are doing themselves a disservice by gobbling up extra bacteria in place of dishwashing liquid.
But seriously, how much really remains after gravity and evaporation drain the dishwashing water off?
Enough that my glass of water from the office started bubbling from leftover dry suds…
It more like a guy who takes a piss and doesn't wash his hands like he's got some kind of special clean d**k
informal observation, but the majority of men don't seem to wash their hands after going to the toilet.
Don't shake hands with people in pubs!
But I always see people in pubs shake hands with each other :D
I hate it when I see this, but thankfully, in my experience it isn't common.
Not rinsing the toothpaste out of your mouth is actually a good idea bro.
You're not supposed to - the whole idea is the goodies (fluoride etc) in the toothpaste stay on your teeth for protection.
Yeh watch me go nuts when my coffee tastes soapy, lazy ass kids lol. Gotta be in my top ten pet hates
My washing up protocol:
1. Scrape solids in compost
2. Rinse excessive sauce under cold tap
3. Wash in a warm sink of soapy water
4. Rinse suds in sink of cold water
5. Leave on rack to air dryMy washing up protocol.
1: Own a dishwasher because I'm not in the 3rd world
2: Put dishes into machine
3: Turn on machine.If I have no dishwasher of its broken I hire a hooker or cleaner to do the dishes. Worse case disposable plates and cutlery.
Did you know that most dish soap isn't designed to kill bacteria? Its purpose is to lift food and grime off of surfaces so that food can be easily rinsed away. Unless your dish soap has antibacterial ingredients, it's not actually made to disinfect your dinner plates – that's a job for HOT water!
Did you know that unless your hot water system is set to hotter than you can stand, maybe or 80 degrees plus,(which it probably won't be) hot water vs cold water the results would be the same.
The hot water in washing up is designed to assist the detergent removing the food from the plate. It is not going to be hot enough form the tap, and certainly not hot enough once its been in the sink long enough to wash anything.
Anti bacterial dish soap is a marketing rort, pandering to our perceived fear of bacteria and helping to create resistant strains of bacteria.
Actually, detergents do quite a good job of lysing bacteria cells. There's essentially no difference in residual bacteria after washing with antibacterial and standard detergents.
Oh yes. And people who do it in the wrong order. Just in case you're not sure it goes:
- Fine glassware
- Standard glassware
- Mugs and teacups
- Fine cutlery
- Regular cutlery
- Bowls, plates and saucers
- Servingware
- Knives
- Cutting boards and prep bowls
- Cooking utensils
- Standard pots, oven trays, etc.
- Anything with baked/cooked on bits.
Fine glassware and cutlery should be rinsed under running water. Others can be rinsed in a sink.
But if it's a dishwasher? Eh, I just shove it in and if it's not clean I just put it in again. Ha!
Yes, but as a general rule, I usually just stick to washing the least dirty items first, and the dirtiest items last.
I can't stand people who fill a sink full of water and the first thing they wash is the most oily, pasta sauce pot with caked on chunks of mince meat still on it, and that just ruins the entire sinkful of water, but they continue to wash the rest of their dishes in it, the only order being whatever is closest to them… Unbelievable lol.
On a side note, can anyone suggest the best way to wash/rinse glassware so that it doesn't dry with watermarks (or whatever they are) when you air dry them on the rack? Or would drying them immediately with a towel be the only/best method?'On a side note, can anyone suggest the best way to wash/rinse glassware so that it doesn't dry with watermarks'
The dishwasher.
My husband does this! No matter how many dishes there are, he uses just one sinkful of water, dumps as many in as will fit (closest to the sink first) and washes them that way. Glassware in with the casserole dish? Why not! It's so illogical that I wish he was just doing it to get out of doing the dishes but sadly he just doesn't see the problem.
offer to wash his car…
give it a sponge bath using just one bucket of water to wash and rinse… leave suds on the glass surface to dry in the sun…. don't leave suds to dry on the paint unless your going to divorce him 8)
First world problems :)
Too true, but a very real one :P
I dunno, washing up after a meal would happen in all worlds.
I hate my neighbors dog.. Barks all day and all night!
Definitely my biggest Pet hate!I see what you did there -_-
report to council, or let it out of backyard and catch it and give it to pound.
LOL
My biggest pet hate - people that walk slow!!!
I don't mind if they walk slow on the side, but if it's a couple or group of people hogging the footpath/walk area and walking slow that it's blocking me and I can't overtake them, then I'm going to get REALLY annoyed.
God gave you shoulders, they work wonders for getting mouth breathers out of your way.
Especially those Chinese one, where they would just suddenly stop in the middle of foot traffic and just block everyone.
They are stupid or inconsiderate or both
Cannot hatch eggs if walk too fast
Also, small groups of people standing at doorway / escalator exit blocking the flow of people
Honestly thought you were going to hate on pets.
Cats. In case you wanted closure…
I rinse because detergent is quite toxic, and I want to believe in the power of these silly rituals in protecting me, but really the improvement is marginal. Not a lot of difference between disgusting and absolutely disgusting.
I've got two dishwashers at the ends of my arms…na-nana—-8Ppppp
I have the hot tap running a little. Add detergent in the sink (as water starts) wash dishes in soapy water and the rinse in clean running hot water. -like a civilised person!