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The 1060 is out just over a week targeting 980 performance for $249 USD
You know what happened with the GTX 960? It sucked. Nvidia will gimp this card in order to protect 1070 sales.
But they have to steal the rx480 thunder
I have a GTX 960 and it cost me $350 last November
*$300
rx480 likely to end up cheaper soon, and has better performance than the 970
And a full 4GB of VRAM.
Great price, I paid $300 for one of these 2nd hand not so long ago
as did I about a week ago :(
I paid $250, but its taking longer than a week to arrive, since I forgot to ask the seller for express.
GTX 1060 just announced for July 19 release, RRP $249 USD. Nvidia claim it's ~20% faster than this card.
Prices are still tumbling down.
It's also quieter and cooler and uses less power.
Not to mention it having updated software support, in particular VR gaming.I personally would wait to get an GTX 1060-1080Ti if I were a potential customer.
Why?
Because this generation combines: new architecture, smaller 14nm foundation, updated software, and potentially updated memory stack (HBM or GDDR5X).
So it is a big leap.There will be updates or refreshes to graphic cards; example/ GTX 1160, GTX 1260, GTX 1360.
But these will still stay on the 14nm fabrication. And get small tweaks to software, memory, and architecture.
So from a Bang-for-Buck comparison, this gen is the one to take the plunge as the cards will last longer.
I think buying a GTX 1080 now, it would compare to a GTX 1360 in four years…
….making it a middle-class card, still capable of servicing new games (21:9/1080p/60).It has happened in the past before with the:
2011) Intel Core i5-2500K, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz, GTX 660, Samsung 830 SSD = ~$950 cost.
comparable to:
2016) Intel Core i5-6500 , 8GB DDR4 2133MHz, GTX 950, Samsung 850 PRO = ~$900 cost.(Performance difference? 2016 is quieter and uses less power and is 5-10% more powerful. BUT! The other system is competing with a 4-5 year younger model !)
Benchmark:
GTA V: High Settings/1080p/60fps/
(GTA V is a great benchmark to use because its a modern title, it is very CPU and Memory and GPU taxing, and scales very nicely from the low to high end)References:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/578-Radeon-GeForce-…
"I personally would wait to get an GTX 1060-1080Ti"
lol 1080ti will be close to $2000AU knowing Nvidia
Vega 10-11 from AMD will be much better value at $499-599 at better DX12 performance. (guessing)
This is a good deal for a GTX 970, but overall its not that impressive anymore.
There is the AMD RX480 (despite issues) offers competitive performance at a competitive price.
And then there's the GTX 980, which has a best price on OzBargain of $464.
Knowing all of this, I would still get a GTX 1060 over these 3 options. Its a card that will service you for longer. Not to mention overclocking potential. And I don't say this as a Team Green guy, I say this from a long-term point of view.
With AMD's Vega, the details are scarce, so we will just have to see. But considering NvIdias strong products this time around and AMDs blunders, I don't have high hopes for them. But we should because more competition means better products and better prices for us.
Haha, GTX 1060 will be $499 (based on 1080 pricing) or slightly lower. GTX 970 isn't going to be much lower.
RX 480 4GB is $319AU and prices will only come down further once GTX 1060 comes out. NOT WORTH buying an older gen card that is garbage in DX12 games vs the new stuff. FACT!
and better drivers for Vulkan too once that takes off. the 480 is a much more future-proof card than a 970 now, and for the same money.
FYI ,, i'm not saying the 970 is garbage :) its a good card.. but there are better "value" options to look at first that will give you a much longer gaming lifespan per dollar spent. I can not give this a +1 for that reason only!
Would the release of a card that is priced higher than the RX480 8GB really do anything to the price of an RX480 4GB? AMD is in a bad place if it does..
more products at a sort of similar price bracket can reduce demand on other products and in turn force retailers to be more agresive with discounting .. its all about supply and demand.. the more supply of a type of product the less demand = cheaper prices.
25% is a pretty significant increase though. And if the 1080s and 1070s are anything to go by, demand is going to outstrip supply for a long while yet.
I doubt prices will drop. The 4GB reference model is supposed to be EOL already so you'd have to wait for the non reference 4GB versions so the price might actually go up.
FACT: Hardly anyone is playing DX12 games.
Yes because it's obviously going to stay that way
/s
It's called future proofing. Even if you ignore the DX12 benefits:
$319 LOCAL new architecture real 4GB 480
VS
$315 GREY IMPORT old architecture, fake 4gb, slower, EOL 970If there's any reason to opt for the 970, I don't see it. Nvidia fanboys who must Nvidia can always wait for the 1060.
It's called future proofing.
There's no such thing as future proofing. Something which I don't think people realise is that regardless of whether you go for a RX480 or GTX970, you will end up replacing your card at the same-ish time.
In two years time when you get a new card, do you think a 10% fps difference really matters? Probably not, and that is assuming that the RX480 is better.
I'm not an Nvidia fanboy, I used an R9 290X for a while, still own an R9 290, but I don't think it's fair to bash the 970.
Also, on the point of grey import vs. local, you'd be mad if you would prefer to deal with local computer stores than Amazon. Have you no idea how difficult it is to coerce them into accepting an RMA? With Amazon, you just send it back, easy.
There's no such thing as future proofing.
You said yourself below that the RX 480 may see driver enhancements for performance, whereas the 970 most likely won't. One example where buying a newer product, or 'future-proofing' is a better strategy. Another is DX12… there's a a number of major titles releasing within the next year that will benefit from a stronger DX12 card.
you'd be mad if you would prefer to deal with local computer stores than Amazon. Have you no idea how difficult it is to coerce them into accepting an RMA? With Amazon, you just send it back, easy.
Other people have reported mixed feedback on Amazon's policy. Sometimes they won't replace after 30 days, as that's all they're obligated to. You're also tossing your manufacturer warranty (unless it's EVGA) and any possible ACCC rights out the window, which people shouldn't be so blase about.
I think Dr PhilGood is right here. You're buying an obsolete product with a non-guaranteed warranty that performs virtually the same as a brand new card with a local warranty and more potential.
I think you misunderstand my point though. My point is, if you want to wait, there is always going to be something better around the corner. If you want to purchase the 1070, why not wait for the AMD RX490 (or whatever it will be called)? If you do that, then hell, maybe the GTX1170 will be around the corner. The point is, technology changes really quickly and you can always play that waiting game.
At some point, you just have to say hey, I'm happy paying $300 for a nice card right now that will let me play games right now. One of the things that I don't like about PC gamers (and I game on both PC and consoles) is that they're always too obsessed with getting the highest FPS. I know many PC gamers think of console players as console peasants (#pcmasterrace), but at the end of the day, one of the things I like about console gamers is that they actually care about the games because the hardware is all the same.
You said yourself below that the RX 480 may see driver enhancements for performance, whereas the 970 most likely won't. One example where buying a newer product, or 'future-proofing' is a better strategy. Another is DX12… there's a a number of major titles releasing within the next year that will benefit from a stronger DX12 card.
I agree with that. I'm not saying the RX480 is a bad buy, but where can you even get stock of a 4GB RX480 right now? Nowhere. If you're going to be waiting a month or two before the board partners come out with a 4GB version that will probably be even more than $319, then I'd rather just go with the 970 and start playing games right now.
You're buying an obsolete product with a non-guaranteed warranty that performs virtually the same as a brand new card with a local warranty and more potential.
A brand new card that isn't even available yet, with no guarantees as to when it will be available and no guarantee that when it is available, it will be the same price.
You can play that waiting game, but at the end of the day, you're going to have to bite the bullet and buy a card. At this price, I don't think it's a terrible deal for someone who just wants to play games.
I'm using DX12 for Dolphin right now, it's significantly faster over opengl/dx11.
Super Mario Galaxy goes from unplayable to playable at HD resolutions on my i3-2100/R9-280x PC.
OzB Gurus,
I have one of these cards now, is it worthwhile buying another to SLI or should I get a newer card?
Please note I am still playing at 1080p and don't really want to be too OP for such a gaming setup.
Why do you want SLI if you're only playing at 1080p? A single 1070 should handle it with ease.
Not worth it even if you needed the performance for 144hz or triple screen. Sell yours for $300 now if you want to upgrade to a 1070 because the second hand prices are going down every day.
I would go with the third option, which is to just stick with what you have.
Your options are - sell your 970 for ~$300-ish used (which you can probably still get), and get a GTX1070 for ~$600, or get an extra 970 for $300. For $600, you will get better performance with 2 x 970 in optimised games, but the performance delta isn't great enough that I would recommend it over the convenience of having a single card.
Therefore, I'd honestly suggest you sell your card and go with the 1070 if you NEED to upgrade. But that said, for 1080p gaming, I don't really see any point in upgrading right now. You'd benefit much more from getting a new monitor. Your experience would be so much better at 1440p or 4K, so I'd say just save your money till when you have enough to get a new monitor and a new GPU.
When I upgraded to a 1440p monitor, the difference was night and day vs. 1080p.
What would this be like compared with my current card MSI R9 270 Overclocked 2GB GDDR5 Twin-Frozr Cooling?
Try Gpuboss.com etc to compare
Significantly better. IF you have the money to spare, this could definitely be powerful enough for all games for a number of years. It depends on your resolution though.
Its almost half the price of the super popular GTX 1070. Not sure if its half the speed.
If the 1060 comes out barely touching 980 performance then this would still be a good buy since the 1060 will most likely be $400+
We all know that the GTX 1060 will not come out at $250USD, but at founders edition pricing, even for AIB solutions.
This means that you can expect to see the GTX 1060 at $499.
Actually, the GTX 1060 WILL be at $499, if you do the math.
Also, the GTX 1060 will definitely not be significantly more powerful that the GTX 980, maybe only in NVidia optimised games.
Bottom line: Buy this, if it offers the performance you are looking for.
how can you so sure that 1060 will not come out at $250USD ?
250usd is about 340AUD1060 will supoort VR much better. that's the main point I pick 1060 over 970(I want new gaming experience). and the price is a little bit more expensive.
Because prices at launch, of 1070 and 1080, are $779 and $1199 for Founders when they were supposed to cost USD $449 and $699 respectively. Based on this, the FE 1060 will come in at $499 or slightly lower. The prices for AIB cards are all still significantly higher than the MSRP, even than the US and only slightly lower than the prices of the FE. So far, all 1070 and 1080 cards are higher than MSRP and this will remain true for the 1060 series. There is GST, and Australian tax added to the prices of the US, as people in Australia on average can pay more in comparison to America.
For comparison, most stores are still selling gtx 970 for $499 when the MSRP was $329USD, even though gtx 970 is now getting phased out.
Not really the time to be buying superseded cards. 970 will be even cheaper in a couple of months won't it?
+1 for the bonus bargain body.
+1 "The body of your bargain is too short. You need at least 10 words" ?!
OP = Winston Churchill ("Brevity": 9th August 1940).970 is such a terrible buy with rx480 in the place going forwards with DX12.
Sighs, a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon to bash old tech without first acknowledging the facts. I'm not going to buy this, so I have no reason to be biased, but this is my take on the matter.
1) Compared to the GTX1060
The GTX1060 is going to be $249 USD at launch. That means it will be $331 AUD before shipping. Let's be honest, we all know that if it is good, it will be around $300-ish at launch (if not more) and that will be equal to ~$400 AUD.
Traditionally, the *60 cards in nVidia's lineup have been slightly weaker than the *70 cards from the previous generation. The 760 was weaker than 670, the 960 was weaker than the 770. Whilst there is a chance that the 1060 will be around the same performance as a 970, it's not likely otherwise it would gimp 1070 sales.
So by the time that the GTX1060 is announced, gets to stores, price gouging is over and makes its way to general availability, you're possibly talking about waiting months. Sure, if you want to wait a few months before purchasing a system, that's fine. You could get this deal and have a card within a week or two and be on your way playing games - do you want to wait a few months or not, of course that's your choice.
If you want to wait, I'd suggest you wait, technology never goes down in price, but never forget that if you wait, you forgo playing games till then.
2) Compared to the RX480
I honestly think the RX480 is a bit of a disappointment. It's genuinely not as powerful as a 970, though it may well be with driver enhancements over time. It is nominally $319, but where can you find stock for $319? Everywhere I see, it's close to $400 and at that price, this is a much better deal.
Even the older R9 390 is a better deal than the RX480. Sure it might consume less power and whatever, but when you actually do the math, you're saving around a few dollars a year if your PC is on load 24/7 (and it won't be) so power consumption is really a bit of a moot point.
There's also the question of whether you want an AMD card - whilst I have nothing against AMD and actually used an R9 290X for a while, there are inherent weaknesses, which is why Nvidia cards are more popular. Support for OpenCL in most software packages such as Adobe Premiere Pro is absolutely rubbish. I had all sorts of problems trying to use GPU acceleration with my 290X in Premiere Pro. It's slow, buggy and just not very well supported. Instead, I had no problems when I switched over to a 780.
Again, I'm not trying to convince you to buy this card (or to not buy this card), I just think that it helps to make an informed decision when buying. If you want to wait, I think the 1060 is worth seeing, though it won't help you if you want to play games now.
It's genuinely not as powerful as a 970
Not really. This helpful summary from Techpowerup puts the 480 a few percent ahead in total benchmarks. A Reddit user did a similar compilation of benchmarks from various games and sites and found the same thing. They trade punches, and if you want to split hair, for an aggregate performance rating of the more popular benchmark games, the 480 will sit between the 970 and 390. Not nearly 'genuinely not as powerful'. I just think of them as equal now, because splitting hairs gets tiring.
It is nominally $319, but where can you find stock for $319? Everywhere I see, it's close to $400 and at that price
I've read that they're not widely releasing the $319 4GB reference model, so we'll have to wait for AIB cards to see the cheaper cards. The $400 models are 8GB.
Okay, I guess the RX480 is around as powerful. I have watched YouTube reviews from the main channels and they seem to suggest that the 970 has the edge. That's fair enough.
Yep, the $319 ones aren't widely available. How long will it be till we see custom 4GB cards and will they even be $319? Sure, it's all great in theory, but if you want to play games now, knowing that they'll come in a month won't be of much help to you.
I was going to reply with the TPU link but it looks like ProspectiveDarkness beat me to it. Other than that though, you're also grossly underestimating the future benefits of driver optimisations for the 480 vs the 970. Sure, it's ahead 5-9% now, but I can only see that gap growing over time. This is without even taking into account the benefits of DX12 and asynchronous compute on AMD cards (something that is not even fully addressed at a hardware level with pascal). I agree with your point about the 1060 cost and limited availability at launch given what happened with the 1070/80. I also agree with your point about the 480 being disappointing, but it's still objectively the best option at the $300-400 price point at the moment.
In my eyes, the 970 is worth $280 tops right now. I base my analysis purely on current and future potential performance, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who place greater value on the NVIDIA brand and the "premiums" that come with it.
Gap is already starting to grow :D. New drivers released which give a decent (~3%) increase in performance and also 'compatibility' mode for the draw issue which still gives better performance than launch.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3093406/components-graphics/t…
yeah nah
Is this GTX 980 card worth the $150 extra over this card? Or should I wait for 1060 to see how the prices will be impacted?
why isnt this getting up more, i thought this is a good price? or the new cards are driving these further down?