Was $1,245.20 now $199. Not that anyone is going to believe the RRP anyway, but the discounted price is quite good. Postage is $11.45 to major cities. Here is what you get for $210.45 delivered:
HP ProLiant ML10 v2 Server G3240 4GB RAM
Sold well when it was $199.95 at PCLan. Related discussion thread here.
Seagate 3TB NAS Drive has also reduced to $149. Although I do prefer WD Red.
Warehouse1 does have higher delivery cost though.
yeh i noticed. Just pointing out that $199 is the going price now .
Probably HP is trying to clear out old stock
Warehouse1 are absolutely awful. I've ordered a laptop from them before and waiting over a week for it with no contact from them or anything before calling to find out they never even had any.
For an extra $20 (taking into account postage), you can get a 1TB HDD included:
http://www.pclan.com.au/index.php/812127-375.html
Edit: maybe not, $229 in the search results but $355 on the item page?
http://www.pclan.com.au/index.php/search/?q=proliant+G3240+7…
But most will throw out the 1TB HDD and replace with 3-6TB WD Red or Seagate NAS Drives
No doubt if being used as a file/media server but these cheap servers could be used for just about anything, eg. firewall, proxy, DNS server, print server, mail server, etc. This is a good machine for all of those uses. While not a CPU powerhouse, it is quite capable as a headless server especially given the low power requirements. I'm very happy with mine.
Oh no! I was going to purchase that bundle after the next payday, but no way I'm paying $355 for it.
REP: Any deals with 3x WD Red 6TB's?
or any deals with HP N54L (if about) or Microserver G8? (and 3x 6TB REDs)
Community: worth it over a G8 perhaps?? ive got 2x N54L and they rock and I need another.
I own a G8 and n40l … the form factor is the issue with this one (for home can live without ECC ram etc and other limitations of this box which have been discussed a few times). This one has a bit more grunt though so should allow for plex 1080p transcoding easily potentially even multiple at once.
I agree I can live without ECC and the other basics, for the most part it'll be SMB share and archival box - though I'm thinking of more RAM and ESXi Xpenology and an OS for things on the one box.
Don't need transcoding, running kodi jarvis on a mac mini, and this probably will sit in the garage if I can get to re-wiring the world…much cooler then the study.
Thx for the reply and thoughts.
If you're going to use ZFS it's highly recommended ECC memory be used. If you get a bad memory module the next scrub you perform you could corrupt your the data in your pool.
Even if it is for home use this is a bad news bears situation.
This risk is overstated.
http://jrs-s.net/2015/02/03/will-zfs-and-non-ecc-ram-kill-yo…
TL;DR: “There’s nothing special about ZFS that requires/encourages the use of ECC RAM more so than any other filesystem.”
Depends what you want it for. Not good for a media center. Compared to the N54L this is very noisy, reviews comparing it to a vacuum cleaner.
As above to 'pw2002au":
…. most part it'll be SMB share and archival box - though I'm thinking of more RAM and ESXi Xpenology and an OS for things on the one box.
Don't need transcoding, running kodi jarvis on a mac mini, and this probably will sit in the garage if I can get to re-wiring the world…much cooler then the study…and noise wouldnt be the issue.
Thx for the reply and thoughts too.
I have a gen 8 installed free vsphere which you can sign up for. Gave raw access to the hdds to a xpenology vm so now i have a nas box and virtual host. All my vms use the xpenology as the datastore.
That's pretty much what I wish to play with. So ok, the g8 could do it too. Nice to know! Thx!!
Yeah the main tricky think is getting xpenology to boot but not off a raw drive. I created a datastore from a USB stick which required a little bit of hacking from the terminal (nothing too much)
This power supply is more than enough for server. I'm running this server with Xeon chip, 32GB RAM, 6 x HDDs, 2 SSD, quad NIC on esxi system ( 7 virtual servers) it takes only 80W for normal run.
but don't know if you going to use powerful GPU and dual screen
tell me about that, I was fully impressed as well. but those VS are not cpu intensive @ home(eg- firewall, NAS, backup server ) etc.
He doesn't have to, that's normal for this model, especially if it doesn't have an added graphics card.
By the way, this is a server. The most common number of "screens" is 0.
@dazweeja:
Why he doesn't have to, are you his older brother, or his boss at work place, or do you have a business in this deal?
If you go to any computer related forums and keep on telling that this server only consumes 80W of power and keep trolling over and over, the members will throw you out!
@dealhunt: I think you need to spend more time checking things out rather than anyone else. I have no idea if his power usage is typical, but what I do know is that most servers aren't connected to dual screens like you claimed people would want to do in your original post.
If you're not trying to drive a display or two with a graphics card you'll have much less power being drawn.
Its a server, not a PC. People use them differently.
@dealhunt: Thats not what I said. I said I'm not sure on his numbers, since I don't have a similar set up to him. I asked you to do some research, yes, because you mentioned running dual displays on a server… Which shows me you don't know much about servers.
You are the only troll here and the negs bear this out. I have this server, I know his claim is reasonable. You clearly have neither the knowledge or experience to add anything useful to this discussion.
@dealhunt:
Instead of arguing, just give people facts or links that back up your statements. Problem solved, unless you are trolling.
@dealhunt: Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself dude…
You should quit while you're not too far behind…oh! ;)
here are the pictures, W is changing between 60W and 90W
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s374/podilamaya/HP_Serve…
@podilamaya: Yeah, I don't think anyone was doubting your numbers…I've got an N40L so I know just how frugal these things can be! :)
I think poor old dealhunt just shot his mouth off without really thinking (hey, we all do it sometimes), and rather than do the smart thing & simply admit to the brainfart, he tried (spectacularly unsuccessfully) to bullshit & bluff his way out of it.
Sometimes, it's best to know when to just stop digging! ;)
why do you need 7 virtual servers?
It is my home server and testbed
I wonder what sort of HDDs are you thinking of that would max out 350W PSU.
Quantum Bigfoots…lots of 'em! ;)
What are you on about. Most people will buy this for a simple file / media streaming server, which it does brilliantly.
4GB of ram is fine for basic serving needs running windows server 2008 / 2012 and an extra 4gb stick is only around $40 if you require.
Hard disks, well, erm, yeah most servers need them and do not come with them.
PSU is more than adequate.
Dual monitors? Not even sure why you mentioned that.
Whack an ilo advanced license on one of these babies and you have a fantastic home server which will suit 99% of the average home users needs.
I use these or the G8 etc for small Business installations, e.g. Pharmacies etc. What they value is good solid server reliability over everything else and what's these deliver.
HD/SSD is rightly up to the end user depending on what they're using it for. I generally use an SSD for boot/application with HDDs for storage.
4G RAM is generally fine for servers too but again is allocation dependent. This is where this model scores over the cheaper G8 as that often ships with 2G.
If its a NAS 4GB is heaps, you can get away with 2GB as most will be Linux based software
I use mine for DNSMasq, Plex server, squid and deluge. Ubuntu 16.04 headless. I could easily get by with 1-2GB RAM. 4GB is plenty. By the way, I have two HDDs and power draw is less than 60W.
Depends what your doing. Nas like xpenology dont use much ram. Put a vsphere host with raw access to drives install a few linux vms (server not desktop)
A machine like that people arent going to be using as a desktop.
AND you get shopping expresses fantastic shipping service ROFL
My latest HDD purchase: Ordered from Shopping Express (Sydney warehouse) 4.25 pm last Wednesday, dispatched by them at 6.15pm, arrived at my house in Wodonga 8.06am Friday. I agree, that is fantastic delivery service!
I've ordered from SE before with no problems.
OTOH my friend just ordered a Dell monitor from them on the Sat 14th of May. Status changed to Pick on Tuesday the 17th and stayed at that status till the 20th Friday morning when he called up to find out what was going on. They said it'll be shipped out that day. Fastway (sigh) picked it up later that afternoon, and now their status has been stuck at "Picked up by courier" since then. He called Fastway on Monday and they're investigating.
So one neg for SE's slooow dispatch time, and another neg for Fastway's poor service. It has been 10 days (7 working days) and still no sign of the monitor.
I sure hope that doesn't happen often.
This can be the perfect pfsense box.
@dreamerman, do you know if this has Intel NICs? or would buying a buying a pcie dual port intel nic be better for pfsense?
No - they're broadcomm NetXtreme
I have used pfsense on this box, no issue with broadcomm NICs
Thanks for the replies everyone.
@podilamaya, have you ever tried using pfsense on the ML10 v2 as a openvpn client?
Just curious what speeds it can do over a vpn…
I have used pfesnes with openvpn on ML10 as well as gen 8 (I know what you going to do :-) ) no issue pfsense+open vpn on discrete server.
I haven't tested speed properly. I used to get 1Mbps for torrent client
Currently i'm use pfsense as a virtual server. I have few issues with virtual pfsense
1. it doesn't support direct I/O NIC
2. when VPN goes down, watch demon will not bring it up.
ECC ram?
Yes. RAM Upgrade: KTH-PL316ES/4G
How are these for transcoding purposes when using plex?
With the base CPU pretty terrible but you can drop in an E3 1220v3 or 1240 or even 1271 without issue.
not sure why people want this over a NUC.
A NUC would chew less power. Less noise, etc.
You can get a cheap USB HDD box that can accommodate several HDDs for storage.
I love my NUC as a front end, but hanging a bunch of external drives off it is not an elegant solution. For someone who wants to put a file server in the cupboard, a small tower is way better.
NUC's have huge issues with anything other that Win8/Win10 these days. Server only works properly on the vPro SKU.
Anyway, a NUC is designed as a client PC. This is a small business server: onsite warranty, remote management, RAID across up to 6 drives, server OS support, dual NIC.
Because I can put a xeon into this with 16gb of ram and use HPs custom ISO to have ESXi up and running in no time at all.
Is this single core? Any idea on how much power it consumes?
It's Dual Core
The TDP is 53W (so it's almost twice as much as the N54L)
50% more. Also far more powerful (PassMark CPU benchmark is 3272 vs 1395) so theoretically could complete CPU tasks in less than half the time. Of course, that wouldn't be the case in the real world but it's far from certain that this more efficient CPU would use more power overall.
G3240 is pretty powerful for a low power rig: Haswell dual-core 3.1 Ghz.
If you could find a low-profile low-power GPU, this could be pretty good as a basic games machine, probably.
Not sure if it'd beat current consoles, but this GT 730 only needs 60W, and is $105:
http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=15…
User manual with full specs.
Shame no front USB 3.0 ports
External connections are
Rear: 2 x USB 3.0, 2 x Gigabit Lan, 1 x VGA, 1 x power supply
Front: 2 x USB 2.0.
Does anyone know model number for the ram that comes with it ? I already have one and would like to buy a matching 4GB stick to take it to 8GB.
Cheers!!
Without looking at mine at home I can't give you that PN however KTH-PL316ES/4G from Kingston is desgined for these and works fine in both of mine.
Can any owner of one comment on the power draw figures?
What's it like with one or two drives installed when idling? Any chance it draws less than 20w at idle? What about under load?
Some trolls above are sticking with 80W for this server, but they neg my comment and keep trolling because they are in the same business with this deal, just don't listen to trolls.
My home server with an i5-4570, 5x 7200RPM Seagate drives, two SSDs and an LSI SAS HBA idles at under 100w.
An idle power draw of under 80w for the same generation (Haswell) CPU with half the number of cores and only a single drive is definitely possible, according to http://chrisstark.co/2016/03/review-hp-proliant-ml10-v2/ the HP power calculator estimates <50w with no drives.
Why do you need an idle computer, why do you buy it if you don't do anything with a computer?
We need to know (I know already) what power this computer requires during its workload not during idle!
Judging by your comments, it's pretty evident that you're not really clear about what these machines actually are. These are very low power, small form factor servers. They are intended to be used as "always-on" devices performing typical low-intensity server roles like networked storage, media storage, ESX box for non-intensive VMs etc.
They are not intended to be used as consumer grade PCs but should be able to perform basic tasks fairly easily. Moreover, they are not full-blown servers… that no reasonable person would have at home (unless they have superb sound proofing, as well as decent racks/alternatives).
They are servers intended to be used in a small home/office to satisfy the "server needs" while operating at very low power, making very little noise, and costing a tiny fraction of a real server.
@gearhead: My question was: why do we need an idle computer? If we need to find out what is the right power supply, why looking at the idle state?
If you wanted to replay to my question, then you're off topic.
Sure thing, I'll reply to your question.
The idle power draw is extremely important when it comes to a server. Since a server is (in most circumstances) an always-on device, the idle power draw is an important metric. The idea is that the core system should consume minimal power for a number of reasons:
Power bills; e.g. if there are 6 servers running (test web/app servers; exchange or even AD- I've actually seen this in a SOHO environment) 24x7, the costs rack up.
Why do they need to be on all the time, I hear you ask?
Sometimes these microservers are used as very effective network appliances (firewalls/VPN terminators) which absolutely mandate always-on requirements. Other times they may be used for running AD, as I mentioned before. You simply cannot have the only Domain controller offline, because that would screw up authentication/GPOs etc on your domain. A friend of mine uses an N40L as a WSUS server within his home (which has abt ~5-6 Windows computers running Windows 10), again this is pretty useful to push updates at a time of your choosing.
For a file server type role, it is important for the network shares to be available on demand. As a result, this is also typically running 24x7 (in addition to cron/backup jobs running when system is awake during off-peak periods).
Wear and tear on the system components; as I'm sure you're aware, there is a direct correlation between power consumption and the heat dissipation requirements of a system. Prolonged exposure to heat significantly reduces the longevity of a system, which is especially notable when a server-type role needs to be in "always on" operation. While most components have low-power states (e.g. HDDs spin down and park their heads, CPUs move to lower C-states etc), the core rig needs to be cool enough to reduce stress on components that are not in-use.
Very low power idle means the server is cost effective as it reduces power consumption and wear and tear of components… while providing the "always-on" services typically required of a server/network appliance.
Hope that clears it up.
Ever plugged a power meter between your PC and the wall? I have.
I'm sticking with 45w idle with the Pentium chip version. Server 2012R2 Essentials, balanced power mode. 2 wd green HDD, 1 Seagate 7200, 1 Samsung EVO ssd. Its a domain controller, DHCP and DNS server. 45W!
From past experience each HDD will add 6-10w.
Prime95 (inplace large FFT) draws 67w in max power mode… Measured at the wall.
Seems somebody has fallen prey to PSU manufacturers. Funny thing many PSUs are most efficient close to their max rated power. So if I put a 100W PSU in this baby it would draw less power from the wall.
Prime 95 (inplace large FFT) + HD Tune on 1X SSD and 3XHDDs = 72-76w
My server will never again see a load like this.
An old i7 860 with 16GB ram drew 110w idle. This is half that.
My 6 core i7 3930 (one of the most power hungry CPUs), GTX770 and 32GB RAM, 2X7200rpm hdds and 2X250gb ssds draws about 450w with furmark and prime…
My Nuc draws under 10w.
So stop the baloney already, and go test for your self.
You think you know the power use during its average workload in my environment? - I measured it. 48w.
Just built one of these up to replace an ageing N40L.
Wasn't as easy as the previous one.
Put a kensington 8gb stick in to make 12gb. Got 2 4tb WD Reds on connection 3 and 4 in RAID 1.
SSD on connection 1.
It is louder than the n40l but not significantly unless under load.
Some configuration is tricky due to HP locking down the service pack. I managed to get windows 10 on once finding relevant drivers for several things.
Not sure on power draw figures.
Server noob here. Why do I need this in non business, non game playing scenario? I have a zotac mini pc that I use as entertainment box.
In a non business scenario this computer has no sense like someone suggested to use it as hardware firewall, then you could just use an old computer or buy one at the market for $50 and it'll do the job.
just use an old computer or buy one at the market for $50 and it'll do the job.
But how much power will it consume???
If we follow the logic of some trolls here who insist that on this computer 80W power is enough then on a old computer even 30W is plenty of power.
Are you happy now mister troll or are you looking for more fun?
It's a file server, you know, for file serving duties and other duties a server can do (NAS). Neither of those features are taxing of the CPU or ram unless you get into transcoding/Virtual OS's or similar. So no it doesn't need hardware like a home desktop. That's ridiculous you think 8Gb is needed (for everyone) and everyone is a troll whom disagrees with you, because it seems you don't understand yourself.
Back in the day low powered cpu's and 1Gb ram was plenty and still is….we're just getting access to better hardware now.
Thanks for hijacking my question. As no one has answer for what I asked so I guess I dont need it.
Oh petal, if you'd notice I replied to dealhunt, you OTOH simply don't need a server, have a happy day!
Got a number of these at home, few things to note.
1 - iLO key is not included. iLo remote access will not function once the server has posted.
2 - iLo is intergrated into the network controller meaning that LAG/Teaming can be difficult to configure.
3 - RAID is a pain to setup. I've written a guide here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/600009-hp-ml10v2-b120i-…
Just buy a cheap iLO key on eBay and you can skip all the burning ISO's to USB. I'll agree tho that the RAID setup is a little clunky.
The Ilo works but only for 30 seconds after post. At which point you can reconnect, annoying but a headless unit like this generally you would remote in using something else like ssh or rdp.
It's more if you're trying to use iLo to configure the system to enable RDP it can become a pain.
don't be cheap get an ilo advanced key of ebay 15 bucks you can ilo all night.
Does anybody know how much more power this would use compared to the HP N40L? Are the USB 3.0 ports only at the back?
I wanted to upgrade mine as it's now a few years but assume I just won't be able to drop in my two existing hard drives (x1 for OS and x1 for data) without configuring this with all the necessary drivers first? I'm running Windows Home Server 2011 and don't want to particularly do a fresh install or install a new OS.
Suspected that was the case. Thanks for confirming.
hi guys, totally beginner on NAS server, i am a photographer,
1) do you think this unit is too much for a photographer to use for file storage?
2) what would be the advantage for a photographer to own this one?
3) is it hard to setup if i buy this with the lack of server and networking skill? other than the hard drive, do i need to buy other hardware to have this up and running?
4) i assume i can use a free OS such as Free NAS to run this unit?
can someone kindly share some light, please. thank you
1)It's a good option, QNAP/Synology may be easier tou se.
2)Freedom to expand - up to 6 drives, 32GB RAM, E3 1281 CPU.
3) It can be a bit of a pain depending on what you do: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/600009-hp-ml10v2-b120i-…
4) Haven't tried but I see no reason why not.
1) do you think this unit is too much for a photographer to use for file storage?
YES, total overkill.
2) what would be the advantage for a photographer to own this one?
You get to learn a new skill - configuring and administering a server.
3) is it hard to setup if i buy this with the lack of server and networking skill?
Yes. And making it secure needs networking skills. And configuring backups, and anti-virus, and….
4) i assume i can use a free OS such as Free NAS to run this unit?
Yes, however there is usually lots of HP-specific hardware inside, and the HP drivers are installers. So, it'll take some fiddling unless your free OS lucks it with the hardware detection.
can someone kindly share some light, please. thank you
You just need a decent NAS, not a server.
Hi, noob here, If I was to bump up the RAM to 32 would this things be okay for video editing?
Also If I wanna run windows on it I guess I gotta buy that too?
$199 seems to be the going price
http://www.warehouse1.com.au/epages/shop.sf/?Locale=en_AU&Ob…