OzBargain New Deals for Members and Restrictions for Non Members

Elppa8 on 18/05/2016 - 18:54
Last edited 18/05/2016 - 19:10 by 1 other user

OzBargain is a great community with members going out of their way to post bargains to be shared with the OzBargain Community. I suspect that this community is made up of a lot of non members that take advantage of these bargains with no intent to contribute.

Some of the more popular deals that are "OzBargained" out are no doubt being quickly snapped up by non members. I am well aware that these deal are available to the general public anyway, but they wouldn't be aware of them if not for the OzBargain site.

So I pose the question (and poll) Should new deals be restricted only to members, open to all visitors to the site or non members can only see deals older than 24 hours to give members a chance to get in early for deals posted and intended for them.

Poll Options expired

  • 31
    New Deals can only be viewed by OzBargain Members
  • 162
    New Deals can be viewed by anyone
  • 10
    Non members can only view New Deals older than 24 hours
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  • iridiumstem on 18/05/2016 - 18:56

    If that happens, we'd end up with people signing up just for those new deals.

  • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 18:58
    +3

    Has been asked time and time again, won't happen. Scotty has said a number of times that it will never happen.

    /thread

    • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 19:17
      +1

      Link the comment?

      • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 19:18
        +1

        Not up to me to search. You can feel free if you really need to find proof.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/05/2016 - 19:48

      Maybe I missed those remarks from Scotty…

      • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 19:49

        Well this thread just calls for him to repeat himself then I guess. Again.

  • retiredfeline on 18/05/2016 - 18:58

    Haven't we had this discussion before? For the record I don't support restrictions. Many of the deals actually originate on social media and other sites where they have been seen by all and sundry.

  • Clear on 18/05/2016 - 19:21

    If you look at it from a store rep's point of view it's very bad for business. Clicks are very important and purchases almost always outnumber the votes ;)

    • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 19:32

      The OP is suggesting a time before released to public.

      How about a 2 hour window for members?

      • Clear on 18/05/2016 - 19:33

        How about no.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 19:34

          And your reasoning?

          A 2 hour window isn't going to destroy your clicks.

        • Clear on 18/05/2016 - 19:42

          @GameChanger: Yes it will. 2 hours of members only accessing the post and not the rest of the visitors where most of the purchases come from.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 19:47

          @Clear: Lets make it even shorter 1 hour window.

          Its not going to impact your sales. Period.

        • Clear on 18/05/2016 - 19:48

          @GameChanger: What if a lot more deals come in during that hour and push the post to the 2nd page? Less chance of people seeing the deal and therefor….. less clicks.

        • iridiumstem on 18/05/2016 - 19:49

          @GameChanger: What will that achieve? It'd just increase the no. of inactive members who just hold an account for no other reasons than to access those "1 hr early access". What's the point in that?

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 19:54

          @Oversimplified: Perhaps for certain deals where there is suspicion that stock is limited or the freebies that always get "ozbargained".

          It won't be applicable to rep deals, as they usually want to sell as much as possible and I rarely see they have limited stock.

          Also I'm not in favor of what the OP is offering, just looking at hypothetical.

        • iridiumstem on 18/05/2016 - 20:27

          @GameChanger: no it won't. Only thing it will do is there will be more people logged on doing the same thing. Getting an ozbargain account is easy and free. Why would that stop things getting sold out or anything like that ?

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 20:39
          -1

          @Oversimplified: it wouldn't stop it being sold out. It would instead give members a higher chance of getting the deal.

        • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 20:41

          @GameChanger:

          It would just mean loss of traffic to sites like BS and TBs, and they'd get the click-throughs instead.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 21:12
          -1

          @Spackbace: not necessarily.

        • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 21:12

          @GameChanger:

          Sound reasoning.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 21:36

          @Spackbace: you haven't put forth reasoning to support your opinion either.

        • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 21:37

          @GameChanger:

          I didn't (and don't) need to form an argument, I knew exactly what Scotty would say, which he has now done.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 21:41
          -1

          @Spackbace: are you saying you can read minds? :)

        • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 21:46

          @GameChanger:

          No, I'm saying I can read.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 21:49
          -1

          @Spackbace: nope assume and try to close threads which doesn't suit your agenda.

        • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 21:51

          @GameChanger:

          Give it up. Read what scotty wrote, re-read it if you need to, and then give it up. The boss has spoken, and unless you have some amazing contribution to alter his viewpoint, then how's about just leaving this be?

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 22:01
          -2

          @Spackbace: perhaps you should have read his reply before commentating.

        • IceCreamBandit on 18/05/2016 - 22:07
          +1

          @GameChanger:

          perhaps you should have read his reply before commentating.

          What? Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

          Spackbace was absolutely right here. Scotty's response was exactly as expected as this topic has been brought up time and time again. Perhaps you should read scotty's reply (here and in previous posts on the topic) before talking.

          Having x-hour windows for non-members are pointless. As Scotty has said below, people will either make accounts, or members will just copy and paste the information onto competitor websites/social media/OzBargain forums to bypass any 'window'. It's a pointless exercise no matter how you look at it.

          Unless you have some solid proof that OzBargain won't be negatively impacted by such restrictions or have some magical way of ensuring the restrictions can be enforced, then take Spackbace's advice and just give up. Scotty has responded enough to this topic enough times.

          This is the internet, you can't hide much on it. Once it's up, it's a free-for-all.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 22:16

          @IceCreamBandit: I'm not even for the OP idea.

          It just looks like you want to feel powerful by entering an argument that is none of your concern.

          Perhaps next time address the OP opposed to playing people. And before you reply, if you want to personal attack me again, man up and do it through messages.

        • IceCreamBandit on 18/05/2016 - 22:19

          @GameChanger:

          I'm not even for the OP idea.

          Your comments have not appeared that way. Even if you insist you're just asking hypotheticals. Your questions/scenarios have been responded to with logical, thought out responses, and the best you can come up with is 'not necessarily'.

          Again, it appears as if you're arguing just for the sake of it.

          It just looks like you want to feel powerful by entering an argument that is none of your concern.

          No idea where that came from. I'm against the idea so it is of my concern. I'm a member of this site as much as you are, so if you can comment, so can I.

          Perhaps next time address the OP opposed to playing people.

          I see none of your comments here are actually addressed to the OP. So take your own advice and stop playing people?

          Unless you're talking about the original post itself. I've addressed that in my above comment. This topic has been brought up again and again. I'm not sure why this wasn't reported and removed as a duplicate.

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 22:26
          -1

          @IceCreamBandit: You have entered an argument between me and Spaceback. You seem to only comment to stir people up.

          Perhaps have a read of every comment instead of taking guesses if my comments address OP idea.

          Also you wasted your 5 negs, Im not one bit impacted by it haha

        • IceCreamBandit on 18/05/2016 - 22:27

          @GameChanger:

          You have entered an argument between me and Spaceback. You seem to only comment to stir people up.

          Learn to spell. Nothing wrong with my comments from what I can see. If I'm stirring you up, it's only because you don't have a comeback to anything I've said. That's not on me, that's all you.

          Perhaps have a read of every comment instead of taking guesses if my comments address OP idea.

          Perhaps have a read of my comment instead of taking guesses of whether I've read the comments?

          Also you wasted your 5 negs, Im not one bit impacted by it haha

          Used none in this thread. Haha. Can't believe you're so driven by pixels that light up on your screen that you can just assume who has negged you.

          Let me remind you of a post of yours…

          I have noticed that some people get worked up over such small things, is it a reflection whats going on in their life or some are born that way?

          It appears you're quite worked up over people negging you, then calling people out on it. It just seems that no one is allowed to disagree with you.

          So…is it a reflection of what's going on in your life or are you just born that way?

        • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 22:37
          -1

          @IceCreamBandit: I don't appreciate personal attacks.

          If you wish to partake in such activities you're welcome to send it through private messages, instead of ruining a thread.

          Even though this thread is over, its best you take my advice for the future.

        • IceCreamBandit on 18/05/2016 - 22:43

          @GameChanger:

          I don't appreciate personal attacks

          Here we go again with the accusations of personal attacks…you started an entire forum discussion on that very question. So was that an attack on OzBargain members?

          If you wish to partake in such activities you're welcome to send it through private messages, instead of ruining a thread

          Why do I have to hide my comments on public forum? Are your comments the only ones allowed here? I did not realise this was GCBargain. I'll continue to partake in commenting activities as I see fit.

          its best you take my advice for the future

          Was that a threat? Personal attack!!!!!

  • mskeggs on 18/05/2016 - 19:46
    +3

    Snoozers lose,logged in or not.

  • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 19:58
    +1

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/93643

    Yes we've covered this topic a few times already. The poll has also been done before as m0nkeycheese has pointed out (lots of interesting discussions there as well so do check it out). No — OzBargain will continue to provide services to all with least resistance. At one stage we even allowed anonymous commenting except that didn't go too well when there's no accountability.

    As it has also been pointed out, leechers are going to leech, and many would just create dummy accounts anyway. There is really no point to make people's life more difficult.

    Now — how to encourage people to contribute? That would be a more fruitful discussion I think. We've tried giving out prizes, making the site easier to use, gamification of the system, etc. Feel free to give more suggestions, but probably not in this thread.

    • GameChanger on 18/05/2016 - 20:00
      -1

      The difference in this post, is that the OP is suggesting a window before the deal is made public.

      • spackbace on 18/05/2016 - 20:01

        That was just 1 of the results. Obviously the question has been worded differently over the years (actually since about 2008 from what I can see), yet has never happened.

  • Moderatorscotty on 18/05/2016 - 21:19

    Yes this has been discussed many times — member-only deals (with or without time-lag to allow public access). #1 #2 #3 just from some quick search.

    Regardless of the poll result, this WILL NOT be implemented. See previous discussions for details, but

    • Lurkers will just create accounts so they can continue to see the latest posts.

    • More online user —> less effective caching —> more server load even when majority of users are not doing anything. It's also affecting all the feeds (RSS, Twitter, etc) should we delay them as well? Those consideration really complicates the design.

    • Deals once posted will get shared / scrapped / re-posted somewhere else. Want to see latest deals on OzBargain without an account? Check <competitor's site>! Certainly not something we want.

    • Many deal posters want maximum impact as well, whether it's for their store's gain or for their own reputation. Having deals locked behind logins will most certainly hinder that.

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