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I've heard good things about this tablet, this seems like a good price.
Nokia N1 7.9" Android Tablet, $268 Shipped @ eGlobal
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For a tablet of this class this is a fairly good price.
I don't know of any tablets within $50 of this price that can beat it in performance.Basically it is the same as a Teclast x89 (and most other Chinese Pads) with a slightly faster Baytrail processor The Teclast though will allow Windows 10 to Dual Boot.
so you comparing a nokia to a chinese pad?
@anleizhang:
Yep I am. You know Nokia doesnt manufacture anymore? The are basically hiring their name to other OEM's to use (in this case, a Chinese OEM). This is no different than any other Chinese Pad that just paid to stick the Nokia badge onto. This same method may also apply to the upcoming mobile phones as well when they return to market.@bchliu: Has apple ever manufactured? I am sure you know they use Foxconn for manufacturing in China, and this is the same manufacture that making Nokia N1.
@anleizhang:
Foxconn is good, but back in the day, high-end Nokia-made devices were more reliable, better signal, less fragile. Apple won because of their own software, not the outsourced hardware.
(Remember "you're holding it wrong"?)@anleizhang:
Its not just about the manufacture.. did you not read what I said? "They are basically hiring their name to other OEM's to use"? Realistically Nokia (mobility) company does not have a products department, no design, no QA, no testing since all of these teams went over to Microsoft as part of the deal (until next year). They only have the right to sell their name to other people and ensuring a governance process to protect their own name from being stunk via legal and contractual methods. This is not a real Nokia of old. This is totally different from Apple that holds all of those processes and is tightly controlled by the mothership.@manic:
Apple won not because of those reasons. They won because they managed to control the entire supply chain end to end to reap every single cent that can be in the whole from the "design and manufacturing to the hands of the customer" process. The outsourcing is only with the manufacture using cheap slave labour in China (ala suicide factory, Foxconn). They have total design decisions about everything hardware and software (as did the old Nokia in their heyday).
Er … and what is stopping you reinstalling it?
Normally it's missing Google Play Services, which you might not be able to install without root. I've had that problem with a Chinese phone before.
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I dunt think thats true, chinese version usually block google play store.
It's a price drop for this tablet. When it was finally available, it was about $400? I just don't know what the competition is like now, and how this stacks up value wise.
Too much if no GPS
no GPS is a bit weird
It is, but iPad lacks GPS unless you get the 3G model, and is the most popular tablet of all.
Many people just use a tablet at home, and phone when travelling.
The specs on the Nokia are very good.delete
but you never thought ipad mini 2 wifi version has not GPS is also weird?
It has a USB type-C port, which is the latest USB connection that doesn’t care which way round your cable gets plugged in. 2,048 x 1,536 display. Processor has GPU faster than the Snapdragon 801 by around 20%. Downside is that there's no SD slot.
It competes directly against the Xiaomi Mipad 7.9 inch, which has a Tegra K1 SOC and expandable SD memory. It is retailling for $273
http://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/xiaomi-mipad-16gb-ta…For those that care about ooomph should probably lean towards a device with Nvidia Kepler SOCs, which is the same SOC used to run the Nvidia Shield tablet.
Processor has GPU faster than the Snapdragon 801 by around 20%
… in benchmarks although some applications will run slower than on a Snapdragon 801.
And some will not run at all.
Android apps are made for Snapdragon and other chipsets are not as compatible with most of the apps. x86 processor have quite a bit of problems while running android OS.
The OS should be fine, as are most pure-Java apps. It's the apps with native components (often media players, games and browsers) you might have to watch out for.
correct. Sometimes there is no native x86 library and there is usually some kind of translation going on using an emulation feature named Houdini. This has performance overheads usually.
IS that a K1 Denver or standard?
Better off getting Galaxy Tab S 8.4 when it was on sale around $300 or sometime under $300.
Not after i saw the back of a tab s warped due to heat.
http://www.cultofandroid.com/66310/galaxy-tab-s-overheating/
Never saw that again apart from that report. Mine had no problems whatsoever.
I thought Samsung acknowledged the issue (they claimed that it is due to defective covers instead of overheating issues, not sure how much of that is correct, but I've not heard about this happening after the initial reports).
They've said "We ask affected customers to please contact their nearest Samsung Electronics customer service center."
I assume they will do a free replacement?http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-says-overheating-not-b…
Not mine.
I had it happen to my first (launch) one, but the second one, which has been run even hotter, has been fine. I assume they've fixed the issue.
Samsung quality is just awful
There are isolated cases for all products if you really search for them.
Agreed, as an owner. Better speakers and screen, better for media.
…and had a GPS lol
Is it as smooth as iPad? Particularly when you scroll content in a screen, how would you comment it?
Hmm… It's not like jittery or anything. Sometimes I get some small responsiveness issues, like it doesn't scroll down for a second. Then again, I literally have about 20 tabs on Chrome at any time.
Since when was the Tab S under $300?
The only time I could find is a triple coupon stack with Amex…
Not exactly like its coming up at that price regularly.Crap - I missed that.
Only 13 votes on that deal coz not many bothered to vote to above 20 to avoid it being on the front page.
But 122 sold in a day from the ebay page.
@ahok: Not many people like to vote for Dick for what they've usually done with any kind of codes like that, that said remembering deals on Tab S, I doubt this is the case. I cannot believe that I didn't see that deal pop up. Though I think since it ran out, I'd assume that it ran out before people got the chance to vote for it (and I assume the hits were made after it ran out, from people trying to see whether it came back in stock).
Not many people like to vote for Dick for what they've usually done with any kind of codes like that
That's a real pity. This site is about bargains, and that was a bargain.
@eug: I've edited my comment (I do that all the time, sorry :S) so your comment might look strange (without the things that I've added in after an edit). Yeah, I think it was more from how it ran out before many people had a chance to buy it.
7.9 inches
1536 x 2048 pixels
Corning Gorilla Glass 3
Android OS, v5.0
Intel Atom Z3580
PowerVR G6430(Rear Camera)8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels
(Front Camera)5 MPWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot
Metal(aluminum) body(as stated on Nokia website)
This is actually pretty good deal.
I REALLY want this…
… But it's the Chinese version without Google Play :( factory reset, and its gone.
You can manually put it on, sure, but that's not really for casual users, is it? Too advanced for the casual user.
I've heard about Nokia…
Me too. I heard it is Finish
Can you use this tablet to was dishes?
Nokia had an agreement with Microsoft that prohibited them from releasing any mobile phones until Q4 2016, so Nokia is not actually dead… yet. They are allowed to release tablets and this particular one sold like hotcakes on the day it was released in China.
It'd be interesting to see what kind of phones nokia will come up with without Microsoft's direction. There's a high chance we will see a flagship Nokia running Android too.
Nokia + Android, Amen to that!
They are not dead yet, but I thought most of the mobile sector has been sold off to MS.
I thought MS took most of the interesting tech (like PureView camera), and what's left of Nokia is pretty much the network side of things.
This tablet is manufactured by Foxconn (Nokia just designed it), so it's definitely not the Nokia we knew and loved in my opinion.Nokia does not have any manufacturing plants any more, so their future stuff will be made by 3rd parties, so you are correct.
We've been waiting for yonks.
I don't have much hope for them, if they enter in the Android space this late. It's too saturated at the moment, and the smartphone industry is simply filly dominated by Samsung and Apple.
@bargainaus: Strangely enough, I've taken a shine to my Lumia 532, even with it being a low-midrange device. Even though I'm a massive Android fan, WP8.1 is quick, predictable, more straightforward and easy to use than Android. Doesn't have a huge market-share either, so there's no malware. Only gripe is the only decent browser is IE.
I like my windows too, more tha my android phone as a phone. For apps tend to use my ipad or android tablet.
@Oversimplified: Yeah but design is the majority of quality, along with control at the factory. If they can make iPhones that are good enough for the world then they can make decent Nokia's based in their designs
@Jackson: While I do agree with that kind of idea, the problem is, I think Nokia lost most of its patents when MS acquired the mobile phone sector (this one, I am happy to be corrected, I think it did, but I didn't see much written on it). Also, a lot of engineers found their ways into competitors' firms. In other words, I am not certain how much of Nokia is this current Nokia is, if it had lost all the engineers from mobile sector and all that's left are the network side of the Nokia.
I've linked Nokia's press release on N1, but from what I've seen, I am not sure how much N1 is actually designed by Nokia. Nokia hands out 'technological design' whatever that means, and the 'OEM' (as they call the companies, not ODM) company does everything including engineering the product. So I am not really sure whether Nokia is just lending them their name.
Only gripe is the only decent browser is IE.
Did you really just use the words 'decent' and 'IE' in the same sentence?
@lostn: Yeah, unfortunately. I don't like using it at all, and Edge under Phone10 is superior. However, the 10 upgrade runs terribly and as such I downgraded to 8.1.
He keeps saying noKia… It's Nokia!
Question will it run out the same way Aldi tablets have? luck of the draw.
This is a premium tablet, not quite the same level of crap that is sold in a supermarket.
oops forgot to put </sarc> tag…
Not sure how much this would help, but from XDA:
How to root and install Google Play stuff in 15 minutes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-n1/help/nokia-n1-root-…Nice, the N1 wasn't rootable for a while. This is important if you got stuck and had to restore Google Play Services.
Root access allow you to do so much with the device you own :)
I thought this will help with people since while I couldn't find a custom ROM for it, you probably will be able to play around with a lot of the features with xposed modules and other things like Titanium Backup, Greenify, Adblock Plus, Amplify along with other apps.It's a pity that it's not available in other countries yet, since that'd probably allow people to work on custom roms and stuff (which can be better or worse, but having a choice is always a plus imo).
how is this tablet if you want something PURELY for watching anime?
Power off USB powerbanks (xiaomi 10,000mAH), use USB flashdrive (USB OTG cable) or perhaps USB external hdd (USB OTG Y cable).or are there better/cheaper options? Don't mind old generation stuff, just want to watch da animez on a good screen.
Would a tablet with an AMOLED screen make the colours in anime pop better? The Tab S was about the same price when it was on sale, the Tab S2 a bit more. You can probably get a used Tab S for a good price though.
Anime on AMOLED is quite amazing, although it can feel over saturated at times too.
Conveniently, Samsung lets you adjust it down to normal levels if it looks too saturated.
Not bad, but as the other guy mentioned, the Tab S is better for media.
Better screen technology. Colours and very nice, and black are deep black, they are literally off.
Also stereo speakers on the side.
Are you talking about processor or screen?
The mobile only chip I've seen run 1080p 10-bit anime without dropping frames is the S6/Note 5 chip. Everything else struggles with panning scenes and scenes where too much is going on.
So it's a Teclast X89, without a SD card slot, without dualbooting Windows/Android and it costs significantly more.
But this has the branding.
For me I'd rather have a Finnish, Japanese, South Korean or American branded product, than some Chinese brand.
It's literally just the brand though. They leased the name out to Foxconn to make tablets under (or something like that)
But it's not just the brand is it? I was under the impression this is Nokia designed?
Some of the Chinese brands are making some really good stuff, some not so much. The Teclast X89 has been well-received.
I'm sure there may be good cheap stuff… But I am talking about brand value and recognition.
Not sure why I'm getting voted down.
Seriously, do people prefer a NOKIA, or some "Teclast"??
While I think you are off with the branding stuff (OEM normally means that the company just lends out the brand name), it might not be as bad as I thought it would be since Nokia is designing the device (which doesn't always happen with OEM, if you look at how Nokia press release specifically mentioned that they will be doing the industrial design).
That said I think my opinion on this would stay as it was from this:
"The OEM partner is responsible for full business execution, from engineering and sales to customer care, including liabilities and warranty costs, inbound IP and software licensing and contractual agreements with 3rd parties."In short, I don't think you can say that this is a "Nokia" device, other than the Z launcher and the design.
http://company.nokia.com/en/news/press-releases/2014/11/18/n…
Might be more accurate to call it an ODM perhaps? Tablet manufactured by one factory and rebranded for other companies?
@Clear: :P I don't know, even Nokia mentioned it as a "OEM" so I am sticking with OEM (That area is messy). From my understanding, OEM and ODM, the major difference is who comes up with the specification, am I correct? I am not sure whether it would fall under ODM since I am not even sure what Nokia means by "industrial design". I am not sure how much of the tablet is actually Nokia's design and how much of it is by Foxconn's, since Foxconn is pretty much doing everything.
In short, I've just stuck to what Nokia has said.
So this, or the Teclast?
Are you asking for a genuine advice on which one to get or are you asking for the brand value?
If you are asking for the brand value, both hold none whatsoever to me. At least, I wouldn't jump in just for the brand name in this case.
I thought Nokia lost its patents to MS, apparently, they still hold their patents. This might change the story a little. That said, build quality is still something that I'd probably question (QC and other issues that Nokia was free from as they were a manufacturing firm no long applies).Nokia pretty much says this is an OEM device. Foxconn is doing the engineering of the device as well though.
So still no. I wouldn't jump in just because of brand.Lol… No I am asking for your genuine opinion on which one to get.
If brand was a concern, Nokia, hands down against some "Teclast". But the later seems to offer even better value
@inose: Neither, I personally see this Nokia as a former shell of what it used to be (actually worse, since only thing it kept from its mobile sector was the patent). I doubt they've used any fancy technology (having patents and being able to mass produce it is different and Foxconn's doing all the manufacturing and engineering), it's just a tablet with Nokia sticker. It's not manufactured by Nokia and most of the things, "business execution, from engineering and sales to customer care, including liabilities and warranty costs, inbound IP and software licensing and contractual agreements with 3rd parties" are done by Foxconn.
I'd say it'd be similar if Samsung loses all of the mobile sector related workers and assets, kept its patents, and Samsung Heavy Industries rented their name out on a Foxconn device. I wouldn't think of it or take it as a "Samsung Electronics device". The reason I am saying this is that, that's pretty much what happened. i.e. Nokia sold its mobile sector and kept NSN, HERE and few other things along with patents.
Also, you are making a mistake of judging Teclast brand by their lower budget products (they are within a market where the strongest differentiating factor is the price). This tablet is expensive for what it's offering (Intel chip was subsidised, the tablet doesn't offer anything cool), considering the release price was far above the price range of Teclast products (I assume they were targeting the people who would've reacted to the name of Nokia).
To me, Nokia means nothing on this product, I frankly find the name Foxconn more interesting (since they'd at least know about 6 Sigma). I personally think Nokia is dead. They might make a come back, they might do a proper Nokia device with heavy Nokia influences, not just "industrial design" and nothing else. I personally think they are more likely to become a patent troll than anything in the handset market. They'd earn from doing nothing, not many company can avoid using their patents. Not manufacturing phones would mean that the companies will have to pay instead of trying to do a cross-licensing agreement.
Ok… So tldr: you prefer the Teclast as the Nokia isn't the same Nokia we know, and the Nokia is too expensive for what it offers.
Thanks for your input.
I'm just worried about Google support (Google Play) for these products. E.g. if I resetted the Nokia, since it's the Chinese version Google Play would be wiped, as it mentions. FML… Could be the same for the Teclast.
@inose: Nah, I prefer neither of them, I'd probably look at the devices case by case. The brands in this case tell me nothing about the device and the build quality in my opinion.
Thanks.
Your explanation was definitely not the simplified answer I wanted, but thought provoking.
@inose: :P I think what I've been saying is easily simplifiable to "N1 is a OEM product", whcih many people pointed out.
I am looking at a new tablet - cannot decide if I should hold out for the Pixel C or just get me a cheap and nasty Teclast/Cube/CHUWI…decisions!
I'd go for Pixel C if you are planning on keeping it for a long time (possibly better suppport, at least if it is officially released in Australia). Also Pixel C is using Tegra X1 which would probably be one of the best, if not the best, SoC available in terms of performance (and it'd be supported by Google as well, in terms of software).
The pixel c is going to cost a fortune, nowhere near this price.
Price isn't too much of an issue. Want it to last a while..
Expecting to pay around $800
If you want something to last, you don't want to go for cheapies.
Usually cheapies cut corners to make themselves be cheaper than the competition (In their market, less is more, you cut corners like crazy to be competitive).
That said, I am not sure what to say about Nokia N1, I am not too certain how cheap the Nokia and Foxconn went for.Pixel C probably would last you longer, that said, the possible problems I see are:
1. I don't know who is manufacturing it, I'd assume it is Foxconn since those guys seem to be doing everyone's manufacturing jobs. That said, that'd determine the build quality.
2. How cheap Google is going for as well, which would determine build quality and quality control.
3. Services. I am not sure how decent Google is with services. If you are going to hold it for a long time, you'd expect at least visiting the service centre once (i.e. to change the battery, battery life degrades over time).All of which would be revealed when Pixel C gets released and everyone starts talking about it. If Google is trying to make it into a premium line, I'd assume that they'd put more effort into making it built out to be a premium line. Though the point I was trying to make was, it can have shitty build quality, however, I think it'd be highly unlikely.
All depends on budget really. Pixel C will be better supported and has a really powerful chip in it. However, something from Teclast or Cube that features a Cherry Trail processor is only $160 or so. I've got a Teclast X80HD which has served me well.
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*This tablet is chinese version with pre-installed Google Play. Any factory reset will cause deletion of Google Play Store app. so be careful, not worth the time for that. Also Not exactly a fantastic deal since no 4G