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A must have for all interested in Scientology. You don't have to be religious to enjoy this fine book. Hope this helps someone!

For thousands of years Man has searched, pondered and speculated about the true "meaning of life." But, in Scientology, that search has culminated — for the secret has now been discovered. Based on precision Axioms (self-evident truths), these are the answers — answers you’ve been looking for, answers that work. Here, then, is the Basic Book on the Theory and Practice of Scientology, with discoveries embracing every aspect of life.

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  • Ravensbane on 22/09/2015 - 07:29
    +17

    You don't have to be religious but maybe just gullible or an idiot or really interested in the workings of cults.

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 15:52

      Actually - most atheists and skeptics in particular find them fascinating and are well versed in the philosophies of many cults, how they work, what they believe, how they entrap people, etc. Many of us have read the major holy books of the major religions, most have at least taken an interest in their larger belief tenets.
      It is essential information in fighting the misinformation they put out,in debunking their lies, showing their inconsistencies and infighting for rationality.
      It is also interesting just to see what other human beings believe, anthropology is interesting in and of itself. Cults in particular are a really interesting insight into human psychology and sociology, groupthink, manipulation, figureheads, idolatry etc.

      Would also sound like a bit of an idiot it someone try to debunk something and their argument was something like:
      *Its a load of horse doo
      **Why?
      *Because its just crud?
      **What do you know about it?
      *Its junk!
      **How do you know? have you actually studied it at all?
      *no because its stupid!

      • INFIDEL on 22/09/2015 - 18:08

        What is your basis for your claim that the majority of atheists "find them fascinating and are well versed in the philosophies of many cults…"?

        That comes as news to me. Your link to a reputable study?

        Just because you, & others you know are interested, that does not mean most atheists are like you.

        It sounds like the usual justification by groups, bigots, religions & cults for why they believe what they do. It's the reason people group together with like believers, so their beliefs aren't seen as strange or challenged. It's why cults break the old bonds to family & friends, to maintain the groups beliefs.

        As an atheist, I feel no need to debunk others beliefs. (But I do find people's beliefs fascinating & travel to religious & other festivals around the world. I'm an outlier among the atheists I meet.)

        • INFIDEL on 22/09/2015 - 20:40

          @tantryl:
          Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.

          Interesting, though a telephone survey of a small number of people from USA may not be representative, let alone be representative of most atheists (not just some in USA) as claimed above.

          Also the confound may be level of study, rather than just atheism leading to knowledge of answers to '32 religious knowledge questions'.
          The same people may perform at a higher level in other types of questions, like politics or general knowledge. Could account for this by embedding religious questions within broader set of questions. Doesn't look as if that was done in this study.

          And answering 32 basic questions about major religious beliefs, does not show atheists are necessarily 'fascinating and are well versed in the philosophies of many cults, how they work, what they believe' of belief based systems.
          It may say more about the insular nature of some religions, that discourage knowledge & understanding of other belief systems.

          If you believe your group is the chosen one, or has the answers, there is no need to look any further. This usually leads to defensiveness.
          Uncertainty usually breeds questioning, openness & exploration. I'm very curious ;-)

        • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 21:11

          @Infidel:
          you keep saying you disagree, then agreeing and making arguments for my point.

        • INFIDEL on 22/09/2015 - 21:15
          +1

          @mycosys:
          ;-)
          I never said I disagree. But what you claim is not my experience with other atheists.

          I was asking what basis you had for your claims about most atheists.

          Although some atheists will read holy books and be fascinated by belief based systems, I doubt they account for most. Possibly like a lot of people, they just aren't that interested to spend so much time & effort on something they don't believe in.

          I also find it a fascinating area. But I only speak for myself. I am not your usual atheist :-)

          *I was brought up with Christian theological discussions, have assisted a cult-busting group with insights gained as a former senior member of a cult (I never took the group think of a cult seriously), and trained with Hindu monks in the Himalayas & Budhists elsewhere. I used to interview scientists, writers, and others, & designed research for universities. I have walked in both camps, now happily an atheist - as a product of many experiences.

  • try2bhelpful on 22/09/2015 - 07:41
    +1

    I'll get back to you on this one when I stop laughing.

  • barryquinn on 22/09/2015 - 07:42
    +4

    Not a bargain. Of no interest to anyone who is sane.

    • thushan on 22/09/2015 - 12:56

      Scientology now, insanity later.

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 15:54
      -1

      really?no interest to sociologists, psychiatrists, skeptics, anthropologists, researchers (and people who wanna know why certain celebs went so nutty)….?

  • hectic3 on 22/09/2015 - 07:44

    Thank you, but no thank you. I'd rather read N Gregory Mankiw.

    http://www.amazon.com/N.-Gregory-Mankiw/e/B001H6Q104

  • shroomish on 22/09/2015 - 07:46
    +5

    Its perfectly fine science fiction, im sure nobody takes it seriously. Now im off to my jedi class to practice force push.

    • Forfiet on 22/09/2015 - 08:11
      +2

      "Now im off to my jedi class to practice force push" So is that a new name for birthing classes??

  • syousef on 22/09/2015 - 07:46
    +8

    For pity sake. Get this crap off my ozbargain feed. Getting hooked on a cult is no bargain.

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:16
      -1

      its funny - there are categories all of us dont have any interest in, most of us just scroll past - what makes this so different?

      • syousef on 22/09/2015 - 20:25

        Those other things don't brainwash you. They don't prey on the weak and vulnerable. Or if they do they get the same reaction.

        • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 21:12
          -1

          thats actually a pretty huge philosophical statement and one many would disagree with.

        • syousef on 22/09/2015 - 21:43

          @mycosys:

          You're trolling sir.

        • mycosys on 02/10/2015 - 18:21

          @syousef:

          no 'sir' i am objecting to obvious and colossally hypocritical bigotry

          And your claim of the other things not brainwashing you was ridiculous in a society where we are brainwashed to consumerism

        • syousef on 05/10/2015 - 20:30

          @mycosys:

          Bigotry my foot. Fairy stories meant to fleece people isn't religion. Science fiction writer starting a "religion" is a colossal joke.

  • FistOfMonkey on 22/09/2015 - 07:46
    +8

    Regardless of philosophical content, it's not a bargain. It's been as low as USD $9: http://camelcamelcamel.com/Scientology-The-Fundamentals-Thou…

    • Forfiet on 22/09/2015 - 08:05

      So is that RELIGIOUS bigots or religious bigots…. after all making assumptions is a form of prejudice…. besides I'm sure the Atheists and the religious can be both equally uninterested :)

      • Jack D Price on 22/09/2015 - 08:56
        +4

        I am a cult bigot, and proud

    • Ravensbane on 22/09/2015 - 09:32
      +2

      It's only a religion for a tax dodge.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/09/2015 - 09:54
        -1

        Eh, it's pretty much always been a religion. There were some shenanigans surrounding them obtaining that legal status but they should have it. It's structured as and acts like a religion. It has philosophies and moral tenants. It has arcane revealed knowledge. It has those that claim special access to knowledge.

        The only major difference is in the way they gather tithes… and there's plenty of unscrupulous tithe gathering in other religions. Doesn't stop them being religions.

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 15:58
      -1

      nothing new - there always have been. Apparently even knowing about a religion (apart from theirs) will turn you into a raving cult addict (instead of arm you against its tactics as knowledge typically would)

  • effgee on 22/09/2015 - 08:31
    +4

    A real bargain would be if they only took half of all your wealth after you get sucked into their cult

  • Jack D Price on 22/09/2015 - 08:33
    +2

    Sky Fairies. Completely sane belief for adults. (profanity)

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:00
      -1

      definitely - i think you would find most of the people complaining have one, this is just the wrong one/s.

  • paulj13 on 22/09/2015 - 08:55
    +3

    The main issue is that what Scientology has done is take old, tried and tested management/coping skills and package them up as their own. Then poor sucker who are desperately looking for something to help them stumble across it and think they found something unique. Case in point http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-you-get-tricked-into-b…

    • [Deactivated] on 22/09/2015 - 09:56
      +2

      Yeah, the reason Scientology demonises psychiatry and psychology is because it is essentially armchair psychology. If their followers read too much about those things they'll realise Scientology is like the manipulative version of it.

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:03
      -1

      to be fair using the skin conductivity meter of a polygraph to hone into the persons deepest fears and hurts and activate on them to addict them you your BS is pretty uniquely evil and kind of genius.

  • jbmatson on 22/09/2015 - 09:10
    +1

    This is the most opposite of a bargain that I can possibly think of. Scientology will try to con as much money as they can out of you.

  • blablabla23 on 22/09/2015 - 09:12
    +1

    DISCOUNTED?? If you think i'm going to give mother (or was it father?) hubbard ONE CENT LESS than what they're entitled to, you're sorely mistaken!

    SCIENZ FOR LIFEZZZ!!

  • [Deactivated] on 22/09/2015 - 09:59

    Factoring in shipping and the lousy exchange rate, much cheaper from other suppliers. Negged due to "Not cheapest deal available" and "Defective product".

    Amazon are still cool, though. No major issues with them.

    • Chef-Johnson on 22/09/2015 - 10:06
      -2

      link to cheaper?

      • [Deactivated] on 22/09/2015 - 10:19

        AU$23.02 including shipping.

  • belongsinforums on 22/09/2015 - 10:48
    -5

    Interesting how past Islamic or christian product deals have received many more positive votes. Granted, I recognise that this book is cheaper elsewhere

    • Ravensbane on 22/09/2015 - 10:51
      +1

      Personally do not think much of religion in general but at least Islam and Christianity were not written by a charlatan and very average sci-fi writer.

      • brentsbits on 22/09/2015 - 11:35
        +3

        Except how do we know they weren't? At least Scientology's back story is amusing for it's absurdity

        • Jack D Price on 22/09/2015 - 11:43
          +2

          Ravensbane doesn't know how wrong he is. They just didn't call it "sci-fi" in the year 400

  • brentsbits on 22/09/2015 - 11:34

    All hail or overlord Xenu and our clam ancestors!

    • thushan on 22/09/2015 - 13:00
      +2

      Where did Xenu come from?

      "Hubbard wrote that Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy 75 million years ago, which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as "Teegeeack". The planets were overpopulated, containing an average population of 178 billion."

      Pfft, more like Uranus!

  • djones145 on 22/09/2015 - 12:31
    +2

    http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=16954213296&clickid=zJOXhaWF8T4z2shQ%3AMwEo3OWUkXUDWyA%3A3LoyA0&cm_mmc=aff--ir--60145-_-77798&ref=imprad60145&afn_sr=impact

    can I get my neg revoked reversed mods

    https://booko.com.au/products/search?q=Scientology%3A+The+Fu…

    abe books 17 bucks

  • rompastompa on 22/09/2015 - 13:10

    This'll go great with my collection of other fictional books, like the bible, quran etc. ;)

    • djones145 on 22/09/2015 - 13:14

      this fits in the children's section!

    • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:13

      like most skeptics?

  • INFIDEL on 22/09/2015 - 13:27

    I raised the matter of belief based deals with the mods after this more extreme "deal".

    Is the criteria for listing a deal only it is discounted?

    What is the appropriate use of the Neg in this case, where the deal content (teachings) is what is being disputed? Unless a cheaper price exists, the product or merchant has a bad reputation, there is little other grounds for valid negs.

    Is the reason for posting the deal really to share the discount or the ideology?? It raises some challenging questions.

    Excerpt from my discussion with MODs… (lawyers take note - not questioning Scientology here, discussion was about unstated groups with extreme views.)

    Should Fundamentalists Be Allowed to Use OzBargain to Promote Their Beliefs?
    This is a complex matter that I think should be given thoughtful consideration by the MODs.
    Belief based deals seem to present a problem on OzBargain.
    When a deal sells material promoting their groups beliefs, AND attacks the beliefs of others, it will cause a storm. That is especially so when posted by a fundamentalist group.
    But should this type of deal be allowed to be listed, as happened on Sunday?
    (I am not questioning belief or faith based deals which do not attack another's beliefs.)
    The issue also involves the appropriate use, & guidelines for, Reports & Negs, and the possible use of OzBargain to promote & recruit converts to fundamentalist beliefs of any persuasion…

    Basically the response was that OzBargainers are a robust & sceptical community, but we'll keep vigilant.

    I think the response here bears out the MOD's belief in us.

  • Rayve on 22/09/2015 - 13:35
    +1

    I always am amused by how many negatives these fringe religious texts but how Christian books get up votes. I wonder by what criteria Christians decide what is 'true' and do they apply the same 'logic' to their own beliefs?

    • [Deactivated] on 22/09/2015 - 13:47
      +1

      Free religious stuff tends to get upvotes.

      Most paid religious stuff gets downvotes.

      • Jack D Price on 22/09/2015 - 16:07
        +2

        to be fair, I downvote religious stuff whenever I get a chance….

        • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:14

          does knowledge somehow threaten or harm you? doesnt understanding it help you fight it?

        • Jack D Price on 22/09/2015 - 16:40
          +2

          @mycosys:

          Religious 'knowledge' is not knowledge.
          Maybe try reading some scientific literature some time, because, you know, evidence.

        • mycosys on 22/09/2015 - 16:45
          +1

          @Neo:
          Of course it is knowledge ffs - it is knowing what someone believes. It is the evidence of where they are provably wrong, it is also evidence of the development of legends,the way people thing, and information on manipulation tactics etc.

          Maybe try actually reading and understanding before you act on something eh :)

      • belongsinforums on 02/10/2015 - 19:25

        Look at any Koorong 'deal'

        • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2015 - 21:10

          Eh, they carry some non-religious stuff and all their deals are for x% off. Their other deals are for ereaders which are non-religious.

          It's not pushing a specific religious product for a price, I think that's what people object to.

  • belongsinforums on 22/09/2015 - 16:46

    Cheaper elsewhere, so I've marked as expired. Thank you for your comments

  • divergent on 02/10/2015 - 19:16

    This is my experience with Scientology, and my heart-felt conclusion…

    Scientology is NOT a religion. They just say they are to gain tax breaks from the government, to ensure they are protected from government interference or lawsuit, and to entice people who are prone to believing in things that cannot be proven. And Xenu is a marketing ploy, a story to entice the easily led, a neither denied nor undenied rumour that draws illogical or mystically-inclined people into the business. And, yes, above all else, it is a business, and they make a lot of money, although not as much as the Vatican.

    Scientology promotes a system of education, one that relies on the educated not being aware that they are being educated. A person (the more easily led the better) are subject to techniques to wipe their mind of aberrations, wrong thoughts, and incorrect conclusions, to basically free them of worldly thinking. Yes, they talk about the Thetan, which is a highly spiritual concept, but it is far from a religious icon. It is much more like the Buddhist concept of being free of form to become formless, as in being 'one with the universe'.

    Those that follow their path, are usually completely desperate for help in their lives. If they aren't, at the first sign of them backing away, they are excommunicated. This is because they know you can't teach a clever person (someone who is proud of their wrong thinking) how to forsake their cleverness. If a person rises up and brings their own personal beliefs into the business, they become a risk to the other people being helped, and an obstacle that can never be overcome (as they are mentally returning to the world and will probably not leave quietly). So excommunication is swift and total.

    The ideal candidate for the organisation is someone who is willing to give up all hope of functioning in the world and who will bow down to all teaching. They will most definitely be taken for everything they've got, but it is seen as part of their rehabilitation. Working in the business is seen as a better solution then being in the world. The promise is that once they reach OT (Operating Thetan, sometimes called Out There), they will be a fully-functioning human being (a completely free Thetan, within a human vessel) and the world will basically shape to their will. Well, that is the plan, whether or not it actually happens has yet to be seen. After all, has anyone seen L Ron Hubbard lately?

    Tom Cruise is a famous Scientologist, but lets face it his career was well on its way before his wife introduced him to Scientology. They took him on board as a great example of Scientology, but his freedom came from his life, rather than from the techniques of Scientology. No doubt he sees that they have benefited him though, otherwise he wouldn't continue in it. I suspect he makes a lot of money from it, so that probably helps.

    I went in many many years ago with the hope that they would free me of whatever was making my life miserable. My mind was too strong though, being highly analytical didn't help, so everything they offered just didn't work. My mind was too much in control, and as soon as they realised, they pushed the money angle and I almost gave it all to them, but in the end, I judged them badly and they closed the door on me.

    Had I been weak-minded, I would have succumb to their influence and become a sheep for training, and I probably would have risen high, since I'm just as highly spiritual as I am analytical (love for others and mental chastisement fight great battles within me on a regular basis). Who knows. I certainly don't regret being rejected though. I have become very happy without them.

    Having said all that, I believe that they do actually help people, even if their promises are just as lofty as any religious person who believes in The Second Coming. You will only hear negative feedback though from those in the world, as those in the business are separated from the rest of us and will not be seen 'throwing their pearls to swine'. Either that or I have the whole thing wrong, and I'm still just as lost in wrong thinking as everyone else, lol.

    • belongsinforums on 02/10/2015 - 19:24

      Insightful. Didn't know it was actually a thing in Australia!

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