Amazon have the 4TB external back.
Order Summary:
Items: $129.99 USD
Shipping & handling: $13.51 USD
Total: $143.50 USD
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thats right - each US dollar is about 1.062AUD on XE.com right now.
So - 129.99USD plus 10USD equals less than 150 AUD.
Anything else maths wise?
not $10 shipping
Exchange rates? I get AU$148.70, but 28Degrees might be less…
not less than $150
I tried it before checking out
Items: AUD 143.11
Shipping & handling: AUD 14.87
Total before tax: AUD 157.98
Estimated tax to be collected: AUD 0.00
Order total: AUD 157.98
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Items: USD 129.99
Shipping & handling: USD 13.51
Total before tax: USD 143.50
Estimated tax to be collected: USD 0.00
Order total: USD 143.50
My trigger point is $150 aud. I'll buy with my 28 degrees card in USD and hope for the best. :)
Curses! According to the MasterCard exchange rate for today linked off the 28 degrees site, I just paid AUD$152 and a bit. :(
Oh well. Still pretty good.
USD 143.50 * 1.06 = AUD 152. Or did I go the wrong way?
3 x Seagate Expansion 4TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (STBV4000100) $129.99
Item Subtotal: $389.97
Shipping & Handling: $30.55
Total Before Tax: $420.52
Order Total: $420.52
420.00 USD = 446.361491 AUD
1.00 USD = 1.062800 AUD (xe.com)
Amazon taking a decent commission on currecy conversion there.
The challenge is filling it before the Seagate drive fails.
My 2tb from last year still seems to be fine.
Wed Jul 2 06:01:12 EST 2014
pool: zdata
state: ONLINE
scan: scrub repaired 0 in 24h41m with 0 errors on Wed Jul 2 00:42:48 2014
config:
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
zdata ONLINE 0 0 0
ata-Hitachi_HDS5C4040ALE630_PL2331LAG7ML0J ONLINE 0 0 0
ata-ST2000DM001-1CH164_Z1E11Q9J ONLINE 0 0 0
ata-WDC_WD10EADS-00L5B1_WD-WCAU47823260 ONLINE 0 0 0
errors: No known data errors
capacity operations bandwidth
pool alloc free read write read write
zdata 5.32T 1.03T 59 10 7.19M 247K
ata-Hitachi_HDS5C4040ALE630_PL2331LAG7ML0J 3.08T 555G 33 3 4.07M 99.3K
ata-ST2000DM001-1CH164_Z1E11Q9J 1.43T 393G 16 3 1.99M 87.8K
ata-WDC_WD10EADS-00L5B1_WD-WCAU47823260 826G 102G 9 3 1.13M 59.9K
upvote for using zfs.
Upvote for recognising zfs :)
Yeah… The 3TB Seagate is rubbish. These 4TB are apparently doing a lot better but I'll give it a big miss anyway.
Waiting for a deal on the Hitachi Coolspin 4TB drives, that is my preference with WD second (yes I know who owns who)
yep my 3tb seagate external just died after 1.5 years. 3tb is alot of data to loose!
It's still under warranty….
But have you tried getting the drive out and using it as an internal?
You won't get your data back but you COULD get a functional internal out of it but it does invalidate your warranty though. There was a suggestion that you could get a driver to access the data from the internal????
I had 2 identical 3Tb XHDDs. When one died I cracked both open and swapped the drives AND recovered the data from the dead drive which suggested that the interface died but the drive was okay. :)
Hitachi 4TB Coolspin for $149 US. Not bad. - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=hitachi+4tb&N=0&Ini…
Mine (3T) died after a year. First started to through a data errors (CRC) and after a month stopped connecting to PC. It was my backup drive… :(
The most original post of the friggin' century goes to PainToad ladies and gentleman.
If it was a deal for the 3TB his post would be fairly accurate :)
These 4TB actually look like a good deal
I have two from early last year that are still ticking just fine with about ~6,000 power on hours a piece.
I think the Seagate hysteria is not valid when applied to the ST4000M000s (only the ST1000-3000s); performance-wise they can push 180MB/s sustained transfer speeds and 5.16ms response times. Very respectable for 5,900RPM drives (same performance as last generation's 7200RPMs and even trades blows with current-gen WD and Hitachi 7200RPMs in some workloads).
This price is a historical low and you'd be a silly son of a b*tch to pay close to a hundred more for a WD 4TB.
Could be accurate with any size Seagate drive.
I have read about some troubles the the 3TB, not so much the 4TB.
Can this be used as an internal in a NAS without problem?
I sure hope so. My 2tb Seagate and 4tb western digital were both pulled out of their external casings and put in my server. I'm planning to do the same with this one.
I'm running eight of these drives at the moment in raid-6 configuration and they're doing all right.
Any idea on the drive speed?
not less than $150
I tried it before checking out
Items: AUD 143.11
Shipping & handling: AUD 14.87
Total before tax: AUD 157.98
Estimated tax to be collected: AUD 0.00
Order total: AUD 157.98
Switch currency
AUD USD
(Change card currency)
Applicable Exchange Rate
1 USD = 1.1009236068 AUD
(includes all Amazon fees and charges)
Items: AUD 143.11
Shipping & handling: AUD 14.87
Total before tax: AUD 157.98
Estimated tax to be collected: AUD 0.00
Order total: AUD 157.98
Pretty good deal!
If I were to buy two and remove them from the cases to put them in my PC. What's the best way to RAID them for redundancy? Does win 7 come with RAID software built in? Is that the most reliable way?
Windows 7 Home allows JBOD and RAID 1 while Professional and Ultimate add RAID 0 mirroring.
For redundancy you will need RAID 1 (mirroring).
Windows Server operating systems from 2000 on have JBOD, 0, 1, plus support for RAID 5 distributed parity.
You've copied some of that from an incorrect article.
RAID 0 is not mirroring - it's striping.
Home Premium can't do RAID 1.
Argh - came back to PC and someone swapped active windows - trying to revoke sorry OP
It's cheap but please check the reviews before you buy.
5 stars - 1500
1 star - 300
That's 1/6
I found that Seagate Expansion (particularly in this square shape) is not reliable.
I started having a problem with connection since the first month and it die in a year.
People who have a problem are much more likely to leave a review.
I've had mine for a year and it's filled to the brim of 4TB.
ONLY issue I've had is that it gets slightly warm mostly cause of position and passive cooling, and that I recently had 'bad sectors' which I had to run chkdsk. Though bad sectors could also have been my fault.
i have the 3tb but i transferred it to an Orico external enclosure 2 days ago, MAC OS (not journaled) using it almost 24/7 in wdtv, it's been over a year now with the stock enclosure and no issues. inside, it's a barracuda drive.
With the new enclosure i reckon this would last longer.
thinking of buying another one to backup my 3tb
Not sure whay you currently use. Personally, I hedge my bets with a 2nd brand & model.
i'm reluctant to get HDDs shipped domestically due to damage risk from poor handling. In the past i've had 2 HDDs sent from victoria to WA and be DOA and so had to wait for RMAs and the hassle of the process taking longer.
i wouldn't bother buying a HDD from OS and potentially run the same risk again just to save a few $$$.
I dropped into the local officeworks one day earlier this year and they had a 4TB WD My book marked down to $180 - i bought it on the spot
It's a big saving.
The HDDs will take >300G of abuse while Off.
Everything is 'shipped', regardless of where you buy it from. Your house or your local store… makes little difference.
Reading many reviews, over a LONG time, DOA is way too common these days - Regardless of courier or region.
totally agree with you, damage risk from poor handling is the same everywhere
You do realise dddp that retail stores don't manufacture the drives out the back and they have them shipped to the store often in third party packing just like when you get them delivered?
Have you seen officeworks staff stocking the shelves? They don't care about the merchandise and with officeworks the product can be handled hundreds of times, dropped, shaken and rattled before you buy it, also officeworks allow returns so it could be a returned drive from someone who had it sitting in the back of a ute for a week. I'd rather a drive that was shipped from a manufacturer to a distributor to a retailer and to me without being handled by an unknown number of people.
Damage during shipping is incredibly unlikely especially when shipped from the factory.
yep, realize all that. Still wouldn't buy from OS though. Too many more handling steps along the way.
If you're happy to buy HDDs from OS, that's fine. I only buy sealed packages from OW unless the item is something that's not damageable. If you get a DOA from a store like OW, it's very likely you can exchange on the spot or a refund - minimal drama
Quick tip. When I removed the hard drive from the enclosure it resulted in breaking the plastic clips in the case. So don't expect to be able to re-use the enclosure if you're taking the hard disk out. I also tried using an older drive in the enclosure but it wasn't getting enough power to spin up.
Some of the online guides show you how to avoid this by using a credit card or similar to hold the tabs back.
Lol yeh that's what I tried. Still snapped :<. I mean it could probably be put on again and still hold, but it did involve snapping a lot of the plastic tabs.
when i removed mine, i tried putting an old wd green caviar which i thought was broken already, to my surprise, it worked flawlessly again. even my orico enclosure wouldn't get it to spin. weird.
Has anyone here put data on one then cracked it and installed it as internal?
My experience is you can't access the data without reformatting :( Then you lose ALL the data (as expected) :(
The hardware/firmware in the enclosure hides the actual structure from the OS (I used Windows 8.1).
It comes with the first partition RAW and 2 unassigned partitions. I cracked 4 of them in total.
The last one I tried reformatting in the enclosure before cracking and had all sorts of problems with it as an internal. I had to do a lot of work like putting it back in the enclosure and deleting the partition and tried a few things before it was recognised and reformatted correctly to the correct size as an internal.
I asked for support from Seagate but didn't get a response :( Obviously they don't encourage "cracking" :(
Read this post. You need to install a device driver from Seagate if you want a use a +2TB drive internally on a PC without a UEFI and a non-GPT formatted disk.
I'm using two of these: one internally and one externally.
What about a new PC WITH UEFI and a GPT formatted disc?
As I said, I had to copy the data off the XHDD to an internal HDD then "crack" the drive and install internally, reformat the drive, copy the next XHDD onto it, "crack" the next XHDD loop etc.
Seagate didn't respond to my request for support so that was the routine I adopted.
Started with an internal HDD (lots) (and 6 XHDDs), copied a XHDD to it, "cracked" the XHDD, installed as internal, formatted it and copied next XHDD to it, four times :) Still have 2 XHDDs.
I didn't buy the XHDDs for the purpose. I have had 6 XHDDs for a while. Just bought a new desktop that took a lot more internals so "cracked" the externals and installed them internally.
I ended up with 12 internals and 2 externals
Method in my madness :D
had to reformat mine to work on a 3.5 enclosure. After formatting MAC OS Ext not journaled, all good.
Wait why does everyone bag seagate externals. Do they break down or corrupt that fast? Or are they built less generously than their internal hdd counterparts?
I want a high capacity drive but as it'll be a backup for photos it obviously cant afford to fail.
What's a decent brand for 1 preferably 2 TB external usb powered drives? (Cause this ones a desktop right? )
The 3TB externals had some issues previously with failure rate. Seems the jury is still out on the 4TB. I have two 4TB stripped out and in a HP N40l as a NAS for over a year with no issues.
For USB - Toshiba 2TB have a bad rep (apparently) though I have one and it's fine (so far). People say many good things about the Hitatchi (I have a 1TB).
ALL DRIVES WILL FAIL at some time in the future. This is why we have back ups.
2TB also had massive problems, Google click of death. Their issues have continued for too long that I wouldn't trust them again.
By 2TB being bad do you mean the seagate 2.5" portable hdds? Or the toshiba 2TBs that bigspike was referring to?
Hmmm or are all the seagate portables ok, just the desktop ones that are abit shady? (considering the 2TB portal HDD deal at: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/154501#comment-2144835)
To everyone who's writing here about drives failing and the like.
I've been using hard drives for a long time and I've gone through many, many hard drives. My first hard drive was a 400MB Western Digital Caviar from like 1990, so I've gone through heaps in that time period.
The essential fact we need to understand is that all hard drives will fail. No matter whether you buy consumer drives, e.g. this one or a WD Green, NAS grade drives or even enterprise grade drives, hard drives will all eventually fail.
So do yourself a favour and do backups. A good question to ask yourself is "will I care if I lose this data", if it's a yes, you should back it up, if it's a no, but it's an inconvenience, e.g. with movies, then don't bother wasting the space if you don't have the money.
If you're judging the security of your data by the likelihood of drive failure, you're doing it wrong. If you keep good quality backups, you should not care about whether your drives are likely to fail or not because you won't lose your data.
So then it becomes an argument of cost, which I can understand.
Of course drives fail. But they shouldn't start failing with the first month of ownership like Seagates were (are?) prone to.
So where are these reports that these Seagates fail in the first month of ownership?
So where are these reports
Likely answer? Up his rectum.
Folks here don't like rationality Paul; they want to have a convenient scapegoat to whine about when the sh*t hits the fan and they loose all of their data because they aren't aware that hard drives are disposable products with finite lifespans, and $150 dollars never has and never will buy you guarantees of product longevity.
@Amar89: You're about the only reasonable one here, to be honest.
To everyone else though, look, those sorts of anecdotes are not reliable. Just because a lot of people say they have a problem with Seagate drives doesn't mean Seagate drives are bad.
Let me give you an example.There are 1,000 reports of bad Seagate drives and 100 reports of bad Toshiba drives. Seagate must be bad! Right? No. Seagate is a very popular brand which probably sells much more than any other brand, so of course they'll have more reports of failures.
I'm not going to judge a brand which produces millions of hard drives by the experiences of a couple of people. I have had Seagate drives fail. I have also had WD and Samsung drives fail. I hold no beef against either WD or Seagate.
Until I see actual sample data, e.g. RMA rates, for these hard drives and can calculate statistics on average return rates…etc. I'm not going to avoid Seagate.
I'll end it with this though. I studied statistics (econometrics) at university and nothing provided here is anywhere near the even scant evidence that Seagate has a higher failure rate.
How about a sample of nearly 13,000 drives?
http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-…
Seagate suck, relatively. But they're priced better, and still "good enough", so I'm happy to risk something as banal as a media collection to them.
i've taken a few drives out of enclosures like this, never had any issues with any of them
and as is always best practise, keep more than one backup of important stuff and don't keep them all in the same place
Perfect thank you!
My drive arrived today.
I purchased via Citibank Plus in $US
Cost US $143.50
Cost AU $154.12
just let me check that math.
129.99 + 10 = 139.99
which is less than $150.
thanks