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  Jorkus on 01/02/2014 - 19:01

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  Wing Chun!!!!!!!

  Powerful Joe Rogan.

  It's probably good exercise though…

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    jv on 01/02/2014 - 21:31

    Wing Chun is very 80's

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    [Deactivated] on 01/02/2014 - 22:05

    Don't forget Shawn Obasi

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  Russ on 01/02/2014 - 19:18

  Like the OP says, Wing Chun is a very different martial art. Much of what Bruce Lee did was Wing Chun, but he also adopted parts of other styles. It's a very close fighting style, chest-to-chest distance is often 30-60cm.

  Perhaps not the best style to start with if you are looking at martial arts for self-defence. For example, you are so close-in that you can't always see if your opponent pulls a knife out. However a Wing Chun devotee would say that by the time they finished pulling the knife out, you would have disabled them anyway.

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  Russ on 01/02/2014 - 19:22

  OP should have mentioned the free trial lesson: http://www.hwca.com.au/faq/

  Try before you buy!

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  [Deactivated] on 01/02/2014 - 21:45

  How can you gaurentee everything you said and then take a nice sublte cheap shot at other martial arts? I am negging this based on the fact you can't gaurentee anything you said. If you can prove me wrong I'll gladly change my vote.

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    AssociatedHornsby Wing Chun @ hwca.com.au on 01/02/2014 - 22:38

    Thanks for your feedback ddmmh.

    I see no cheap shot at other martial arts. If you would be so kind as to highlight which particular statement offended you, I'll be glad to clarify.

    I would also appreciate it if you could point out which aspect of our 100% money back guarantee is unclear.

    Cheers

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      [Deactivated] on 01/02/2014 - 22:44

      Your last sentence. Although it can be interpreted in other ways so I take back the cheap shot I may have read that incorrectly…sure does look that way though.

      You mentioned you gaurentee results after saying you will feel better and sleep better and lower blood pressure etc. You are insinuating that you can promise all these results correct? If so … How?

      Mod:Invalid negative vote

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        AssociatedHornsby Wing Chun @ hwca.com.au on 01/02/2014 - 23:34

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        A big part of marketing involves dispelling prospects' fears whether they be based in reality or are just misconceptions. We also want to be sure that our marketing engages with our target market. The Wing Chun we teach (Chu Shong Tin lineage) is a very internal style. People who want to work up a sweat and wake up sore after a tough workout will be disappointed with our training. Conversely, many of those who DON'T want that style of training won't give us a chance if we don't spell it out for them. (For the record, I have nothing against hard training, I personally enjoy that via barbell training)

        I would suggest that most beginners considering their first martial art will be a bit worried. Many would be afraid of being bullied, bruised, beaten up. I don't believe ANY genuine martial arts school of any style will do this, but I do think it's sound marketing to assure their prospects that it won't happen.

        We can certainly guarantee results - by providing a full refund if we fail to achieve them. This is how guarantees work. We do X or your money back. No guarantee or warranty is meant to imply literally 100% success - but to accept full responsibility for failure. Ultimately, the purpose of a guarantee is to genuinely remove the buyer's risk from making the purchase.

        Obviously a guarantee in the martial arts industry is less clear than for a product which either works or does not. There are many potential benefits from our training. Some are quantifiable (blood pressure), some are completely subjective (stress). Some students will value some and not others. Not everyone starts from the same place either. Some common sense is required of course: taken literally, our promise to lower blood pressure would make someone with normal blood pressure hypotensive - but I doubt anyone would be upset if we failed to do so.

        Our guarantee concludes with: "do not feel better than you did when you first stepped through our doors, we will refund your entire package investment."

        So at the end of the day, we simply let our students decide if we did a good enough job: they decide whether or not we helped them achieve the results they wanted.

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  Tuba on 01/02/2014 - 22:14

  Do you teach the 'touch of death'? I saw it this one time in a documentary. Although the players in the show all had the yellow skin of jaundice.

  http://s.mcstatic.com/thumb/4539938/13991323/4/flash_player/…

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    Mikinoz on 01/02/2014 - 22:52

    You want Dim Mak, not Wing Chun

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  ilsan0 on 01/02/2014 - 22:57

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  You will only find Keyboard Warriors here Rep.
  Dont waste your time on this lot :)

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    [Deactivated] on 01/02/2014 - 23:08

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    Sure thing tough guy. Keep training that classical mess. The shock you will get when you run into someone who knows MT and Wrestling or BJJ. Have fun getting wrecked.

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      ilsan0 on 01/02/2014 - 23:10

      Haha.. Nice warrior of keyboard.
      If I come across such a person, I might shoot or stab him to save me life.

      till then I will get on my munchies.

      Peace.

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        Tuba on 02/02/2014 - 00:27

        So youre saying you regularly carry? Its like watching 'Housos' argue.

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        [Deactivated] on 02/02/2014 - 00:38

        You sound very stable and not a keyboard warrior at all. I retract my previous statements. You are obviously a tough dude and should be feared due to your vast manliness internet aura.

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        ilsan0 on 02/02/2014 - 07:52

        It was a case in point, but I can understand the message does not get across so easily on the interweb

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        mickeyjuiceman on 02/02/2014 - 08:12

        noirony

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  pookie on 02/02/2014 - 21:24

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  Hi op.

  I noticed you have the sifu jim fung vetab accreditation , as do I.

  I was in the second group to pass that course. Around 1996 I think.

  its always good to see fellow instructors continuing to teach and pass on the many benefits of the wing chun system.

  I recommended it to everyone…

  Do you teach all 3 forms early on in a students training or do you teach sil lum tao first then move on once the student grasps some understanding of the core principles and concepts of the sil lum tao form?

  I use to run my own academy on the south coast… I varied my teaching program somewhat from what I learned and taught in sussex street. Mostly because I also trained with suzzanah ho and a few others and wanted to make wing chun not so secretive as the way I learned.

  also do you consider sparing a critical part of wing chun training?

  And at what stage do you teach wooden dummy form ?

  Sorry for the questions but I like to see how others have moulded their wing chun to suit their individual characteristics and understanding, whilst keeping the principles as the core of the system, as did tsui shun tsin.

  anyway.. cheers

  pookie

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    jv on 02/02/2014 - 21:59

    anyway.. cheers
    pookie

    Is that you Master Po ????

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    AssociatedHornsby Wing Chun @ hwca.com.au on 06/02/2014 - 10:43

    Hi pookie, thanks for your comments. Must admit I was quite surprised to bump into a wing chun senior on this forum!

    You've asked some good questions.

    Both my teaching and training have changed dramatically since my time at the academy. I've moved away from the technique curriculum entirely and teach the 3 forms much sooner than I learned at the academy.

    A typical progression looks something like:

    Siu Nim Tau (of course)
    (Pivoting practice - this is often needed prior to Chum Kiu as it can be too difficult for newer students to learn both pivoting and the more complicated arm movements at the same time.)
    Chum Kiu once they are comfortable with the sequence of the first form and basic pivoting.
    Biu Jee once relatively comfortable with Chum Kiu

    Chum Kiu could start anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. Biu Jee anywhere from maybe 6 months to a couple of years.

    I do of course emphasize that their later forms are only as good as their Siu Nim Tau.

    The main reason I like to start the later forms sooner is the additional movement helps build better awareness, particularly of the spine. The stationary nature of SNT can often lead to students holding that position with tension (esp. spine, legs) without being aware of it. The pivoting of Chum Kiu and the added rotation in Biu Jee helps build better awareness that can translate into a more correctly relaxed SNT

    Other reasons are I like to give them as complete a picture of wing chun as I can as early as possible. They're also simply a lot of fun to do!

    Sparring is certainly a can of worms. Too early, and it's pointless. Their wing chun will break down instantly and if they continue to spar beyond that point, they're not training wing chun. This of course illustrates that sparring does have a use later in training - pressure testing our wing chun and seeing at which point it breaks down. It also depends on what the individual hopes to get out of their training. Personally, I find chi sau with my instructors gives me sufficient pressure to see everything fall apart!

    Cheers

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      pookie on 18/03/2014 - 20:26

      Hi

      Sorry for the late reply… I don't always get to read much on here these days.

      Lol I'm not sure what you mean by 'a wing chun senior' :) but I will infer you meant senior in the system…not in age lol

      Anyway..I would say I am senior in both :)

      Those were the good old days back in the 90s in sussex st. I spent 5 days a week there for 2 years. Then went to suzanna ho in hurstville. And still trained with a few of us graduates at a school in Newtown.

      I also changed the teaching program when I had my academy because I felt that the idea of only teaching SNT for ages was not in the best interest of my students. So I moved the forms forwards.

      I used to get students sparring asap but only to the level of their techniques and slowly but correctly….with a mix of realistic scenarios.

      I was acutely aware of negating any false confidence and of technique failure in exchange for brute strength.

      Once a class I would get students to have a question time and do a roll play. It was fun :)

      after all wing chun can be brutally effective but fun too :)

      If you're ever in wollongong let me know…we can roll together.

      cheers

      Pookie