How to Tackle Bullying at High School?

My son started year 7 this year and he is being bullied at high school.

Recently one of year 7 boys slapped him for being part of friend group and then threatened him again to leave the group otherwise he will face the consequences. This group apparently contains 5 boys and my son stated that this was his friend group from primary school and this bully joined the group just in year 7.

My son was speech delayed and still have difficulties expressing himself so I think he is being picked up. His confidence is shattered and losing self-esteem. We notified the school but they didn’t do anything as yet (been over one week). We have told our son to not to revert to physical response.

I would be good to know from this community re: how they tackle bullying of their kids in school and how to prepare kids.

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  • +86

    I was bullied all through highschool and after many years of that suffering I started going to a martial arts (karate) class. I suggest you get your kid to one asap, go with him for the first few lessons. It will boost his self confidence through the roof and he will not get bullied. If he is concerned about getting hurt doing martial arts, he wont, the people who do it do not bully people, especially new people. He will make a lot of friends there as well. All the best, do it now. :)

    • +1

      Martial arts vs boxing - which one is recommended?

      • +60

        Which ever one he is interested in more.

      • +2

        Either/either. I preferred karate because it was a bit more holistic as in you use arms and legs. Boxing will give more upper speed and strength. Either will be enough to give him strength and confidence. Most places offer a lesson two for free at the start so take him around the traps and what he like the most. There are also different styles of martial arts so you wont be hard up for options.

      • +35

        Muay Thai - cannot recommend enough

        • +5

          Honestly, the arsenal in Muay Thai is super useful in street fights. Highly recommended.

          • +1

            @Munki: How often do you get in street fights?
            I've only gotten in street fights on consoles.

        • Totally agree. Highly recommend.

      • +23

        I would look into BJJ. Really good community, and they teach body control which is actually quite transferable into other sports

        • +17

          BJJ and Judo are great against untrained people for de-escalating without anybody getting (seriously) hurt

        • -4

          Yeah and/or kickboxing. BJJ has a massive training commitment so pick a school that's easy to get to. Don't fight all his battles for him he sounds like he needs to toughen up. If you're scared and emotional it will not help.

          • +3

            @Donmega123: I agree with the whole being wary of training commitment, but not the whole battle fighting/toughen up. Some kids are a bit more sensitive, if he's coming to his parents about it, then it's probably serious enough that they need to provide some support.

            Kids at that age don't come to their parents as the first thing they do, but instead usually as one of the final things. One of their last resorts.

          • +1

            @Donmega123: Geewiz, what a careless & uninformed comment. This whole 'toughen up' mentality needs to stop. Every kid is different, whether in physical size, mental and emotional maturity. As parent/caregivers, we need to encourage a healthy environment, not one where the perceived 'strongest' will survive. Maybe this was how you were brought up and you could be speaking from your own personal experience? It ain't a one size fit all approach chief (please do not punch me, as I am probably not as tough as you.. I haven't been hitting the gym of late)

            • -3

              @moo: I'm not stupid or uninformed, that was a silly thing to say.

            • @moo: Calls people chief and unironically advocates for a love and peace environment where weak people are coddled.

              We can treat our weak and genuinely disabled people well, but let's not incentive being that way. Those with capacity for strength and independence have a duty to society to realise that capacity, otherwise it will continue to fall further into decline.

          • @Donmega123: People who say "toughen up" in these situations are the people who say "lighten up" when stupid kids make fun of other people for their own entertainment.

            • @keejoonc: Within average experience this is good advice. No point getting hysterical and running to the principal or police every time a child is upset. It's terrible modelling for the child.

        • BJJ is overrated and expensive.

          Hundreds of dollars on Gi’s, rashies, belts, etc.

          Minmax ground at an mma class,

          • @shadyscab: It's amazing when big strong men who aren't afraid of being hit use it, I wonder if it will remain once more of the Russian martial arts become more popular.

            • +1

              @Donmega123: It’s a lot more accessible than many combat sports so probably.

              The yuppies love it, I met a polish kid overseas, travelling solo, who was making around $2k GBP per month coaching in London…17 years old, brown belt.

              I’ve seen a few sambo schools pop up and fade out, same as Krav Maga, I just don’t think you can beat a good old school Muay Thai gym for striking.

              The lack of grading and bullshit is a big plus.

              • @shadyscab: Yeah I don't know about Krav Maga, that's another one with amazing press, but I'm sure anyone decent at anything could (profanity) me up.

      • -5

        Definitely not karate, it's all bullshit that doesn't work. Boxing, MMA, Muay Thai, BJJ - the best one of those options is what they enjoy and will stick with. I have done BJJ for 10+ years now and would highly recommend it. The community is fantastic, doubly so if he can find kids his age there that go to his school.

        • it's all bullshit that doesn't work

          Lyoto Machida sends his regards

          • @RealUltimatePapo: I agree that it isnt bullshit… but posting 1 youtube link isn't really gonna win an argument. On youtube you can find countless examples of other techniques beating the crap out of karate enthusiasts… just sayin…

            • @siresteelhell: I feel like at that point it's more about the skill of the athlete than the art itself

              Regardless, there are numerous high-level MMA fighters with a karate background. Machida is my favourite, but Wonderboy and GSP also fly the karate flag high

      • +20

        Hey!
        Long time martial artist here. Done a bit of everything, Karate/taekwondo when young (teenager) boxing during late teens and mid twenties. Transitioned over to BJJ for my ground game and Muay Thai + boxing for my stand up remainder of twenties and early thirties. Never professional or anything, just enthusiast. Now i'm in my fourties with a family and haven't trained in years.

        That being said, if you're getting your son into martial arts for it to be a confidence builder and an activity, then Karate is fine (it's just not super efficient at actually dealing with physical altercations until you get quite good at it). If you're looking for it to be 'effective' as self defence then i'd definitely recommend either Judo/wrestling/BJJ for a good "less violent" way for him to resolve problems/not get picked on, and i'd recommenced probably kick boxing or muay thai for striking. Boxing is great, but in my experience boxing gyms can be hit or miss in terms of their attitudes towards self defence. learning to use elbows, knees, legs etc can be helpful in the long run.

        Happy to answer and questions you have if i'm able to and they fall within my understanding!

        Most importantly find somewhere he feels comfortable, has fun and actually wants to go back. If he doesn't gel with one particular gym don't be afraid to shop around.

        A good family orientated MMA gym should cover just about everything you need and luckily there are heaps to choose from these days.

        • +6

          Hahaha everyone trying to turn the kid into an absolute weapon you forgot the ballet lessons so he's light on his feet.

          • +1

            @Donmega123: As a teen, Bruce Lee was a dance championship winner.

      • +5

        Boxing, teach your son to stand firm and practice to throw only 3 punches combo for a hundred thousand times. Sadly, hitting back is the only way to deterent the bullies, make them remember.

      • +1

        Jui Jitsu because it doesn't involve hits to the head.

        • Hahaha just throttling the life out of people instead

          • @Donmega123: Sure, id much rather that than the impacts to the head that we dont really understand the full impact of on a developing brain.

      • +3

        Do boxing or mma. Martial arts is for the movies.

      • +1

        Boxing or Muay Thai.
        Karate is a dance.

      • Boxing involves deliberately taking hits to the head - not a good idea. Where league and other sports have a risk of CTE, boxing and MMA basically guarantees it.

        Karate or taekwondo aren't all that effective in terms of fighting people, but that's not actually the point. Those sports avoid blows to the head, and don't fight to knockout like boxing or TKD - much better overall. The community, common activity, and an intense focus on self discipline and self respect is the point of those.

        • -1

          Not to be a hater but maybe it's better for kids to study dancing over these softer marital arts at least then they'll be killing it in the clubs. Or do scouts if they want to be outside.

          • @Donmega123: It's not about being softer - it's about being disciplined. Nothing wrong with scouts or dancing, but they are different things and focus on different things. We don't live in a society where you have to fight on the street, and it's silly to approach activities for kids like they're going to have to do that. All the boxing, MMA, BJJ or whatever in the world won't save you from a group, or a knife, or a single coward punch, so at the end of the day they're all as useless as each other in that respect. Worse, since the CTE you get from boxing or w/e makes it more likely for you to get into a situation where you get hurt, cause your brain isn't able to think your way out of it or avoid it in the first place.

            • @Parentheses: I'm sorry I don't follow. Surely training in fighting makes fighting safer? They really need to have a division of the UFC where it is one trained fighter versus ten drunks armed with stools and pool cues.

              • @Donmega123: Training in fighting makes a situation where you are forced into a ring with somebody to fight them safer, yes. However, that only occurs as part of the sport, it's not part of real life at all. In real life the better option is almost always to not fight at all, and having a fully functional brain is critical for making that happen.

                I socialise, I drink, I witness the odd fight - but at no point have I had to participate in one. There's pretty much never a need for it. Meanwhile I know people who seem completely incapable of avoiding fights, and end up bleeding and injured even when they win.

        • Boxing is literally set up as a sport that you can't win a match in if you take hits. As my coach has said to me from day one, every session until today, over a decade later: "Don't get hit."

          I've only ever had a little bit of wrist and elbow pain if I'd do 8+ bag rounds. I have copped one concussion in probably over a thousand hours of sparring and a few sanctioned matches including a state title, and it was entirely my fault for being arrogant.

          If your experience with boxing has varied from this, you probably weren't boxing, or watching boxing. Rocky isn't an accurate depiction of the sport.

          • @Assburg:

            you can't win a match in if you take hits

            Half the people in nearly all boxing matches lose.

            The CTE in contact sports isn't about getting an acute concussion though. It's the effect of many minor impacts over a long period of time. Each individual impact doesn't look like an injury at all, but added up over a long time it causes significant brain issues.

            This is not something where your own individual perceptions are at all relevant - the research on brain issues in boxers is crystal clear. The sport damages your brain.

            • @Parentheses: Yes, if you're doing it a professional level for more than 5 years, you're likely to experience some cognitive degeneration.

              Such a phenomena isn't observed in the amateur boxing world.

              And let's not forget, even with some risks involved, it offsets significantly your risk of being subject to a single, major TBI when someone decides to throw hands with you.

      • Boxing is great for lifelong permanent brain damage.

    • so the bullying stopped because you defended yourself or stopped because they saw you had skills or bullying didn't stop even you took classes?

      curious to know what happened

      • +2

        IIRC the bullying continued until the bullies left school after year 10. I didn't start training until a year or two after that mostly because I figured I'd get bullied at karate as well, which didn't happen. Came in handy dealing with bullies later on though.

        • Came in handy dealing with bullies later on though.

          could you tell me more? was this still school?

          • @Poor Ass: No, just jerks out in public, once they could see I wasn't a soft target they backed off. Never got into a fight ironically enough but was prepared to if I had to.

            • @EightImmortals: trouble finds you

              • @Poor Ass: It did back then. :)

                • @EightImmortals: Are you a ranga?

                  • @Jackson:

                    Are you a ranga?

                    That's racist. Imagine if you switched the r word with the n word.

                    • @tenpercent: The N word was something that people were called as they were enslaved, I don't think any ranga's were enslaved. It was also always delivered in a way that was derogatory, I don't think ranga on it's own is derogatory is it? I know some rangas and they refer to themselves and others at times as rangas

                      • @Jackson:

                        I don't think any ranga's were enslaved

                        You're mistaken.

                        I know some rangas and they refer to themselves and others at times as rangas

                        I know some people who might be called n's by certain people and they refer to themselves and others at times as n's.

                        • @tenpercent: I haven't heard of this ranga slavery, I had to look it up. Since the term ranga is relatively new, and that red heads were sometimes enslaved in Roman times, I don't think you can make that connection

                          second statement is no longer relevant since the first statement doesn't hold

                          • @Jackson: The British routinely enslaved the Scots and Irish. The Moors routinely enslaved all sorts of Europeans including those with red hair.

                            Not that slavery has anything to do with making it racist or not.

                          • @Jackson: We're all red on the inside.

    • +16

      I was bullied in high school too and ended up having low confidence which then translated to uni and career. I suggest get your son into martial arts. I joined it recently and feel like I can stand up for myself and kinda wish I did that in school, then the bullies would have backed off.

      Tbh even if it becomes confrontational and the bully decides to shove your son, your son will have the easy skills to do things that will make the bully look quite silly without hurting him.

      I have been doing Muay Thai for the past 2.5 years, fair to say I am very confident now, the community is great and there are so many high school kids that started there for the simple fact that I should be able to defend myself against a bully.

      Defs do it!

      • +3

        Bro hunt your bullies down now!

      • Martial arts or gym and bulking 100%

    • What if the bully also does martial arts?

      • +10

        It's unlikely because training requires discipline, respect, and self-control - all of which bullies lack.

        Martial arts environments humble people, discourage aggression, and require consistent effort, which bullies avoid.

        Bullies rely on power imbalances rather than skill, making martial arts training an unlikely fit.

        Could happen though, just very unlikely.

        • +2

          Lies! that's not what Karate Kid taught me!

        • Some bullies kind of enforce normal behaviour, they aren't all garden variety psychopaths. We had plenty of relatively pleasant bullies in high school and only one or two that were really horrible people.

      • +11

        The bully will most likely join a dojo like Kobra Kai and your kid will have to face him in an epic tournament. Unfortunately he'll lose the contest but they'll go through a rollercoaster of up and downs until ultimately they all become friends and join forces to defeat an even more sinister enemy.

        • +1 reference

    • +4

      Any martial art will boost his confidence, but BJJ is especially effective for dealing with bullies.

      Teaches how to escape all the common holds like headlocks and pins - exactly the kind of moves bullies tend to use.

    • +1

      Makes me wonder where that bully who had his ankles broken after being body slammed is nowadays

      • You know that's a good point, where are all these massive knee blowouts? Maybe kids are just going for the chokes.

      • rat boy? i always laugh in the interview with is trashy looking dad and they ask him if he felt sorry for what he did, and he said no, and the dad had to correct him

    • Go with him for more than the first few lessons. I'm betting he would love to doing the activity with you. It would also show him how committed you are to the effort. You might gain something extra from it too.

      • Why not just keep training also, in a few years he will be in the adults class with you. What a great thing to share with your son.

  • +52

    Pick up the phone and call the principal. Extremely slack from them.

      • +52

        Schools need to be providing a safe environment for kids. That they haven't contacted the parents is very slack after a physical assault.

        • -7

          And what happens to the kid when the bullies corner him outside of school?

          • +22

            @EightImmortals: then it becomes a police matter for assault. If a kid is really willing to do that they need to be introduced to the police and consequences.

            • +3

              @gromit: The police aren't going to pin a kid for assualt.

              And OPs kid will just get picked on even more.

              • +16

                @BarginBrah: while he might not get charged they absolutely will bring him in or speak with parents about it. If he is just the normal bully this will be a massive scare as most bullies are cowards. If he is more than that then nothing is going to stop him anyway.

              • -6

                @BarginBrah: Yep, some people just don't get it. As long as there is some big brother authority type to go crying to they are happy and don;t give a toss for the long-term well being of the kid in the OP.

              • -1

                @BarginBrah: Absolutely and would you really want the police to get involved anyway, at the end of the day boys will be boys and everyone makes tons of mistakes.

            • -3

              @gromit: Oh 'consequences', the bullies might get a severe talking to, and if the judge is having a particularly bad day they might even get a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile the victim still has to live in fear every day and still has no self-respect.

              • +2

                @EightImmortals: yeah I suppose he could instead hit the bully, hope the bully is not tougher than him so he doesn't get the shit kicked out of him or that he doesn't seriously injure the bully resulting in his expulsion or other issues (almost had that when I was a kid for putting Bully in hospital when my punch hit him in the temple).

                Teach him to defend himself, telling him to physically attack the bully unless no other choice is how you make his problems even worse. A bully that is not afraid of dealing with the police is also one you don't want to escalate the conflict with.

                • -3

                  @gromit: I was talking about self-defense, what was going on in your imagination?

              • @EightImmortals: You do realise we have a massive system that escalates society response to people who do wrong on a proportional basis.

                I was bullied as a child, because I was small (5'2, then grew an extra foot in 1-2years in years 11/12). Then I left school, became an adult and no one bullied me. I certainly don't live in fear every day and I certainly have self respect.

          • +3

            @EightImmortals: So you think someone commuting physical assault should get away with it, zero repercussions? And we wonder why so many little assholes grow up to assault people.

            My son did martial arts and was won some full contact comps, just because he can physically stand up for himself doesn't mean that someone who assaulted him shouldn't face consequences for that. It's not acceptable to physically assault people, it's literally the go-to for the low IQ.

            One of our friends kids had a kid that from a year above that would pick on him. He took it for a while, then one day when he got shoved, he belted the bully. Got suspended for his trouble.

            • -1

              @brendanm: "My son did martial arts and was won some full contact comps.."

              Wait wut?

              So after all your indignant outrage at me it turns you did the exact same thing I was advocating the OP do for their kid?

              "He took it for a while, then one day when he got shoved, he belted the bully. Got suspended for his trouble."

              OK, and?

              He got 'suspended', oh say it isn't so! So he stood up for himself and got a few days off school as a reward, well done to your kid. I hope you backed him up and told him you were proud of him for sticking up for himself.

              Also, did the bully continue after that or did he learn his lesson and pull his head in?

              • +2

                @EightImmortals: Did you not read this?

                It's not acceptable to physically assault people, it's literally the go-to for the low IQ.

                That's the thing you should be teaching your kid.

                a coward dies a thousand deaths

                I don't think you really understood the full quote: "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once." If you let your kid try to be batman and fist fight every loser he meets, he will end up experiencing the final death when he gets glassed or knifed by some psycho who takes it too far.

                Sounds like you watched a bit too much Mr. Inbetween, champ.

                • @Charmoffensive: So comprehension isn't your strong suit?

                  "It's not acceptable to physically assault people, it's literally the go-to for the low IQ.

                  That's the thing you should be teaching your kid."

                  And can you point out where I ever claimed that you should, except in self defense?

                  "I don't think you really understood the full quote: "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once."

                  "If you let your kid try to be batman and fist fight every loser he meets, he will end up experiencing the final death when he gets glassed or knifed by some psycho who takes it too far."

                  So instead of being able to protect himself are you saying he should just suffer being bullied, 'dying a thousand times' with all that entails and end up possibly getting knifed or glassed by some psycho anyway? In the meantime the possibilities of that happening are very low, on the other hand, the benefits of learning self-defence will last a lifetime. I have no idea what goes through people's heads some days.

                  • -2

                    @EightImmortals: Who's getting glassed or knifed in school? We're not in Democrat controllled states in the USA.

                  • @EightImmortals: The quote means that living in constant fear as a coward is no way for a man to live. As a society we should respect strength, not be frightened of it. Kindness and gentleness only mean anything coming from someone who is strong, it's the default position of the weak.

              • @EightImmortals: You didn't read that very well.

                If someone hit my son, I would still have been having them punished, even though he could defend himself physically. Doesn't mean people should get away with assault.

                I specifically said that was a friends kid who was suspended. The other kid got no punishment, but he now has a permanent mark on his record, sounds great 🙄

                • -2

                  @brendanm: "If someone hit my son, I would still have been having them punished, even though he could defend himself physically. Doesn't mean people should get away with assault."

                  Fair enough, but there is a world of difference between your son who did training and 'could' defend himself if he chose to and OP's son who does not. If your trained son chose to dob the bullies in instead of dealing with it himself then he would also be in a position to be able to deal with any repercussions from the billies. That is a totally different ballgame to what the OP was asking about.

                  "The other kid got no punishment, but he now has a permanent mark on his record."

                  Oh no! Not his permanent record. lols.

                  • +1

                    @EightImmortals: I never disagreed with you regarding doing some form of training. I disagreed with "snitches get stitches". Violent people need to be held accountable for their actions.

                    Oh no! Not his permanent record. lols

                    Can be an issue if trying to get into certain schools.

                    • -1

                      @brendanm: "I disagreed with "snitches get stitches". Violent people need to be held accountable for their actions."

                      Of course they do, I was just pointing out the real world consequences of those actions in the context outlined in the OP. :)

                      • @EightImmortals: If no one ever does anything, we end up in the position we are in now, where these little shits think they are untouchable.

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