Hello all,
Today we noticed that the front glass door in our rented home was broken. it could be because of the air pressure in the hall way due to leaving the backdoor open. We leave the backdoor open for ventilation every night.
Its not a person who did it because we could have seen them doing it from the other window of the house.
who would pay for this, us or the landlord?its an old house and we are living here for the last 7 years.
yet another one who wants us to back them up and give them support to show their landlord 'proof' that they should fix. You rent the property, it's your damage, you fix it.
it's your damage
Is it? They said it wasn't.
So you are linking to another comment where you and another commenter are just refuting the OP's claim that they didn't cause the damage?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16250127/redir
Yes, if the property is newish not when the property is 40 years old.
if this happened in my rental i would just pay for it and forget about it. i wouldnt even bother the rental/landy. the less i interact with them the better for us all.
When you leave external doors open (especially ones with glass) they should be wedged to prevent this very issue.
The maindoor is always closed. The back door is open for ventilation.
Ahhh gotcha. For some reason I read it as both doors open.
If it's been 7 years, and the landlord has been reasonable for everything else, just pay to fix it yourself.
The cost of the glass isn't much but the labour would be high.
take out the sash bead moulding, measure the opening and get a glazier to cut size to suit.
install glass with silicone and then reinstall sash bead moulding.
I had a tenant break a large internal sliding door and it wasn't expensive for them to replace.
How odd, you are a landlord and your opinion is for the tenant to pay. Certainly not biased.
Nope, I'm a reasonable landlord but it's been 7 years since they started living there. Glass rarely crack without impact.
I'm pretty sure my tenant (car) ran over my water meter causing a leak. Water meter is too close to the driveway so I paid for the repair. Plumber also installed a metal stake.
So you admit the water meter is too close to the driveway, and you got the plumber who did the repair to install a booby trap too that is likely to damage someone's car (on account of it being too close to the driveway)? Classy.
@tenpercent: Been there for 50 years.
Older houses had water meters close to the boundary fence and driveways close to the fence.
It’s close to the driveway but if you stick on the pretty wide driveway, you’ll be fine.
I guess you’ll bollard one a booby trap too.
@Bruceflix: LL (probably):
If ya don't lick it you'll be ok. I paid the plasterer who repaired it to paint it with an old can of lead based paint I had in the shed too.
@tenpercent: You missed the bit where he paid for it though. And then increased the rent on the next lease.
My shower wall just exploded. Only a few years old. Happens more than you think
If it's been 7 years, and the landlord has been reasonable for everything else, just pay to fix it yourself.
I shudder to think how much OP paid to that LL over seven years yet you have the temerity to suggest OP covers the cost of a window they didn't break?
been quite windy in Mel these past few days ..
Like never seen before.
When I rented 13 years back our Veranda door got slammed in wind and glasses broke. Raised to the PM citing small child at home has a risk, they replaced within 24 hours. No q asked. Unless the PM is a dick or the LL, should go easy.
We a 5 year old and 1 year old and yes it was bit scary as the glass kept breaking down. This has been replaced already by the tradie sent by the RE (not heard about billing yet)
The glass had some little cracks notified to the landlord by my wife sometime ago in the last 2-3 years.
Last night was the night when it cracked. The tradie believed it got damaged by a hit but we know its not the case.
I thought all door glass has to be tempered glass. How does tempered glass shatter?
Maybe that's your point to make with the PM? "Installed glass not up to standard."
Be prepared for a shock when you get the bill.
If the repairer believed it was damaged by a hit, then that is what they will report back to the RE agent, and they will pass it on to you.
Fight it, or pay it, seems you have a choice.
Tenant: "Front door glass broke but I break it nor do I know how it broke."
Landlord: "…."
Reddit is your friend dear Mr. Landlord.
Looking at the style of door and glass it looks fairly old. LL should be picking this up due to age of the door/glass. Got to expect a door that looks 40+ years is going to have the glass weaken over time. GL OP.
What's your relationship with your landlord? I wonder how much it would actually cost to fix? Maybe I'm too soft on my tenants but for the sake of 300 bucks, I fell id cop it on the chin, a tax deduction anyway, but then again they've never paid me late, and every inspection I can pretty much eat of the floor how clean the place is.
show us a photo of you eating off the floor next time
Stage a break in. Now it's the landlord's responsibility
maybe auspost knocking too hard on your door?
TIL - interesting discussion. High-set house two doors up from me is rented. It's a standard high set with double garages beneath, and a few months ago the tenant reversed into the brick pillar between the two garage doors. So much damage done that the SES had to come out with huge hydraulic jacks and prop up the upper floor. I don't know why but I assumed the landlord would get it fixed via their building insurance, but tonight I've learned that's not the case. Probably explains why it took three months or so to get it fixed.
This would have been covered by insurance and the insurance would have gone after the car insurance. It can be a bit of a process.
That must have been one hell of a fart
Hi renter, was the glass broken before you rented the property?
Memory isn't that great.
Easy diy repair. Measure size, order, remove bead, re-use bead/trim or replace undercoat, paint.
My tenants told me to fix a window once because a bird crashed into it. Is that the landlord responsibility? No picture of dead bird or any imprints on the glass (sometimes you see some dust left behind in a shape of a bird)
If it's an old ass house and have old ass glass which the photo looks like it has as they don't make that type of glass anymore
The landlord should be ok to pay for it since the house is pretty old and it's reasonable that things break
Even if you slammed the door and it glass broke it should be covered because it shouldn't usually break
Few months ago someone posted that their toilet seat broke Landlord vs tenant responsible…. old ass toilet
I don't understand the photos… the first photo shows the glass cracked. How long was it like that? The next photo shows the hole with glass on floor.
Maybe I'm missing something, but if the glass was always cracked that badly, it's only a matter of time before it gives way. Nobody would need to "break it" or slam the door, or air pressure or anything. Glass that's cracked that badly is hanging by a thread and will give way any time.
Put it this way if u own the house I wonder what excuse u will give yourself.
If tenant really think a rental property they don't have any responsibility at all your rent would be triple what u paying today if not more.
It seems like the door was slammed, possibly by the wind, which caused the window to break.
The tenant should be responsible for the cost, unless there was something beyond their control, such as a faulty door catch that allowed it to slam.
Actually you are not liable for the whole amount, only a depreciated / adjusted amount.
For example, if I destroy a 10 year old oven as a tenant, a tribunal would not expect me to cough up the full amount - because you'd in essence be renovating the landlords house via subsidy.
Similar to how ATO depreciation scales work, you just depreciate a door and installation and that's what you'd need to pay in damages.
I'm a landlord, similar sitation happened to my property where the tenant left the front door open and it slammed shut and smashed the window (allegedly). Leaving a door open for ventilation was considered normal and reasonable use of the property, so it was deemed not negligence. If this went to VCAT they would likely side with you.
If it was me, I would personally pay it, however you are not liable for it. The above comment is also correct if you were liable.
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Glass can crack like that from temperature changes or wear and tear, being old, door warping. But also it could be due to you slamming it one too many times (which the agent may try to claim whether it is true or not). In your favour you can see there is no impact strike so you didn't hit it or knock something into it.
Hopefully your wife has some of the times she has mentioned the tiny cracks to the landlord in text or email (or you have a good LL who remembers these conversations) which means they realise it most likely just grew over time and broke naturally so don't try to bill you - especially if you are a good tenant who has been there 7 years.