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Sony Alpha 7C II Full-Frame Hybrid Camera Silver (OOS), Black $2297 Delivered (+ $200 Sony Cashback) @ Sony eBay

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Record low prices for the Sony a7C II Silver/Black.

Stack Sony's discount code with the general eBay voucher.

After Sony's $200 cash back, net price is $2092 .

No bonus battery like Sony's own web site but the net price is significantly cheaper, no eBay Plus needed, and no need to wait/risk CR/SB's cash back.

Pay with SB Super Swap gift card swapped to eBay GC like the 4% cash back deal to save more. Up to $1500 in GC can be paid in one transaction. Which is around $60 extra saving.

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  • +2

    Good time to be a Sony shooter

    • +2

      Very tempting to dip my toe back into the Sony system again at these prices LOL…

  • Wow

  • +1

    Cheapest I've seen for the Sony 300mm 2.8 too with the code @ $7923.70

  • Got this last week at JB for $2539 but had 10% off giftcards so still a bit cheaper

  • oh no. just ordered it from Sony website $2539 +8% cash back last Friday :(

    • This is on par with the other deal when you take into account bonus battery https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/878502
      This one is ideal if you want the lowest immediate price not waiting 2-3 months for cash back.

  • Teds has this with a kit lens for $2434 after cash back: https://www.teds.com.au/sony-a7c-ii-28-60mm-kit-black

    Not sure if the lens is worthwhile but I saw this in store when browsing today

    • +3

      Not a good lens, probably can grab this $100-200 in market place. Just buy the body and buy a Tamron lens (28-200 highly recommended), you should be gold.

      • I'm not really into editing and leaning towards a X100 VI tbh, probably not very future proof.. Still in two minds

        • +2

          Me neither. I always shoot JPEG as well. Full frame photos are distinctively different (details, Bokeh, low light etc), I would never go back to APSC (used to be a canon + Fuji shooter). As much as I love Fuji film colour profiles, I love image quality of Sony much more. Never looked back since..

          • @npnp:

            I always shoot JPEG as well. Full frame photos are distinctively different (details, Bokeh, low light etc),

            full-frame look is mostly a myth. i wouldn't say they're distinctively different and I shoot APS-C and full frame side by side.

            and i presume you're talking about subject separation rather than bokeh quality (since sensor size do not really play a role in latter). we had this discussion before, it depends on the depth of field. on APS-C, we're talking about 1-stop of difference which is negligible, even more so on the tele-end. You could manipulate the depth of field by getting slightly closer to your subject, which gives you shallower depth of field.

            this is precisely the reason I got myself a Sigma 45mm F2.8 DG DN for full frame, knowing that a) i get more subject separation than a 35mm F1.7 at a specified distance b) at the expense of a bit more compression but I am ok with it.

            • @dukeGR4: I shoot the APS-C and medium format side by side and for the most part they mix well without too much difference. the APS-C stuff is great when you're shooting under ISO 400. in lower light situations is where you see a bit of difference - but bad light is bad light 😄

              • @hyperfuzz:

                you're shooting under ISO 400

                nah it's not that bad on modern cameras. my ancient X-Pro 2 i could push it up to 3200 without any issues? but i don't pixel peep

                • @dukeGR4: haha, not talking about pixel peeping as much as just ~ vibes ~… I'm not super technical about it but more colour fidelity, dynamic range and general look of the images, I reckon. you can push them higher but they just hang together a bit better when shooting closer to base ISO.

                  • @hyperfuzz:

                    haha, not talking about pixel peeping as much as just ~ vibes ~… I'm not super technical about it but more colour fidelity, dynamic range and general look of the images, I reckon.

                    Leica is right up your alley then. they vibe hard lol SOOC.

                    • -3

                      @dukeGR4: it's nice to know that condescending photographer chat isn't limited to the FB groups and forums then 😄 I make a living from photography but wtf would I know

                      • +1

                        @hyperfuzz:

                        it's nice to know that condescending photographer chat isn't limited to the FB groups and forums then 😄 I make a living from photography but wtf would I know

                        i wasn't being condescending? I absolutely do not appreciate the accusation….

                        Leica look is actually a thing, i love their color and rendering. the reds and blues they tend to pop more. may not be the most accurate but they have the best JPEG file without any "film sim" or "presets".

        • X100vi for street and city trips and compact carry
          Sony for the proper stuff like scenery safaris and big trips

          • @EnergicAU:

            X100vi for street and city trips and compact carry

            still too big tbh, Ricoh GR for the win. perfect for hiking actually

            • @dukeGR4: Simple example:

              Fujinon 16 mm F1.4
              Samyang 24 mm F1.8

              Objective focal length is same (full frame equivalent of 16 mm is 24 mm). Aperture, Samyang is in fact better (full frame equivalent of Fuji is 2.1). Lot of people tend to forget these facts.

              Bottom line is, despite being both cheaper and lighter than Fuji lens, Samyang above would produce arguably better photos (better subject seperation, better in low light etc). Now, paired with A7c line of camera, it'll be much lighter as well.

              Similar comparison:

              Fuji 50 mm F1.0
              Sony 85 mm F1.4

              Fuji (being one of highly regarded lenses) is both heavier and more expensive than Sony lens. Yet, Sony full frame lens will outperform it (in theory anyways - rendering is a subjective matter).

              • @npnp:

                Objective focal length is same (full frame equivalent of 16 mm is 24 mm). Aperture, Samyang is in fact better (full frame equivalent of Fuji is 2.1). Lot of people tend to forget these facts.

                you know F1.8 and F2.1 difference is literally negligible right at 24mm at most distances for subject separation? plus who uses 24mm for subject separation anyway haha. literally move a few cm and it could overcome the difference. Fujinon 16mm is somewhat macro capable and has a 15mm MFD, whereas the Samyang only has 19mm MFD (same as my Fuji 23mm LM WR). at MFD, 16mm probably has more bokeh than the samyang.

                Bottom line is, despite being both cheaper and lighter than Fuji lens, Samyang above would produce arguably better photos

                How can it produce better photos just because it is slightly faster irl.

                even if you ignore the god tier rendering the 16mm F1.4 is known for - how about the better low light performance (F1.4 lets in half a stop of light over F1.8, literally a difference between ISO 3200 on Fuji vs ISO 4500 on full frame), full metal build, nano coating, fully weather sealed, is OEM, has a clutch focus mechanism, closer MFD.

                Fuji (being one of highly regarded lenses) is both heavier and more expensive than Sony lens. Yet, Sony full frame lens will outperform it (in theory anyways - rendering is a subjective matter).

                F1.0 vs F1.4 is one full stop of light. We are talking about a difference of ISO 3200 on Fuji vs ISO 6400 on full frame.

                look i feel like you care about paper specs more than the art and craft itself. composition (and experience) are both more important than specs. There are plenty of photographers that shoot with Fuji-X professionally. You could even make gigantic prints off their bodies.

                re F1.0 50mm i'm not too sure about it, i have the F1.2R and it's got pretty bad AF. loads of CA and only usable at F2.0 and above. probably good for B&W tho. i heard F1.0 is almost the same, almost like a specialty thing for special projects.

                • @dukeGR4: Simple physics:
                  APSC F1.0 vs APSC F1.4 is full stop of light.
                  BUT,
                  APSC F1.0 vs Full Frame F1.4 is completely different story. In fact Full Frame F1.4 is getting slightly more light than APSC F1.0.

                  Having said that,
                  Yes, I do agree Fuji is an excellent camera system, I personally love the colours myself and I do know a lot of professional photographers are using the system as their main system. I just wanted to point out technically speaking (not rendering or colours or any of those subjective matters) Full frame is superior in many ways. Whether you really make use of that is a different matter altogether.

                  • @npnp:

                    Simple physics:

                    F1.0 is F1.0, F1.4 is F1.4 when it comes to exposure, regardless of medium. I think it's important not to conflate light per unit area (exposure) with light gathering capability. the latter, according to my understanding affects DR and noise and is indeed affected by sensor size. the former is not however.

                    at f1.4, both lenses will have the same exposure setting.

                    • @dukeGR4: Full-frame sensors are 1.2/1.4 stops better in signal to noise ratio than Nikon, Fuji/Canon crop sensors. That means that a crop-sensor camera at ISO 100 is like a full-frame at ISO 200/250 respectively.

                      If you're into math then the formula is: LOG( SQRT( FF-Area / Crop-Area ) ) / LOG( SQRT( 2 ) )

                      That’s the sensor only (only part of the equation). To finish equating the shooting conditions you need to multiply the F-number of the crop camera by the crop factor (i.e 1.5 which I explained above). So f/2 on the crop camera is like f/3 on a full-frame. The shutter speed remains the same.

                      See below example;

                      Full Frame: 75 mm, ISO 200, f/1.8, 1/60s

                      In order to mimic the same photo above in terms of focal length, light, exposure, noise, bokeh/ subject separation & dynamic range you must use below (or equivalent) set up in a crop sensor;

                      Crop sensor: 50 mm, ISO 100, f/1.2, 1/60s

                      As you can imagine a full frame 75 mm F1.8 lens would be lighter and cheaper compared to crop sensor 50 mm F1.2 lens. That's why I don't understand when people say 'crop sensor cameras are lighter and cheaper', they are not certainly comparing apples to apple. The above example is scientifically 'apple to apple' comparison.

                      During the short time I had both A7iii and Fuji XT camera systems, I did side by side comparisons so I know this from first-hand experience, the effect of F number in two lenses is definitely not the same. When using same F number, I needed to bump up the ISO of the Fuji system significantly higher in order to get the same look/ image quality of Full frame photo (obviously with a lot of noise in the process as a result) - or decrease the shutter speed significantly to let lens collect light longer. The main reason I sold Fuji at the end, I just couldn't deal with the camera in low light anymore, whenever I took it out for a trip or something, day light photos will turn out fantastic but night time I always wished I had sony full frame.

                      • @npnp:

                        Full-frame sensors are 1.2/1.4 stops better in signal to noise ratio than Nikon, Fuji/Canon crop sensors.

                        If you're into math then the formula is: LOG( SQRT( FF-Area / Crop-Area ) ) / LOG( SQRT( 2 ) )

                        You are talking about light gathering capability, that has more to do with DR and noise as i have mentioned. this is independent to exposure settings just so we're clear.

                        During the short time I had both A7iii and Fuji XT camera systems, I did side by side comparisons so I know this from first-hand experience, the effect of F number in two lenses is definitely not the same.

                        a. I am curious to know which lens did you use for Fuji XT and A7iii? you can't slap two random lenses and set them at F1.4 lol, they scene would require different exposure.

                        b. the only acceptable test is sth like : if you mount the XF 23mm f/1.4 R or XF 23mm f/1.4 LM WR and a 35mm F1.4 GM on the Sony. that way the scene is consistent.

                        In order to mimic the same photo above in terms of focal length, light, exposure, noise, bokeh/ subject separation & dynamic range you must use below (or equivalent) set up in a crop sensor;

                        i see your point but that is just the theory - to begin with, why do you want your APSC to mimic full frame haha i would say, anything above 30mm you don't need anything faster than f1.4 on APSC due to shallow depth of field. my 33mm @ f1.4 (F2 equivalent) i'd say most of the time the bokeh's too much and will destroy the background for portraits. i personally prefer a bit more context, more of an environmental shooter.

                        the point of these discussion is not APSC vs Full Frame. We started this conversation because you mentioned that 24mm F1.8 could give you loads of Bokeh, which I explained that OOF area is subject to mathematical theory of depth of field which you could manipulate and easily overcome with for those worried about OOF area difference. Changing to a different focal length will yield more bokeh as well, that is another option.

                        like i said in the past, the photographer and technique matter more. take the night time anecdote you mentioned, is shooting handheld the only way to take night photos? or could we use a tripod? how about a flash? or at a pinch - could we lean into the camera's IBIS and see if we could get lucky with lower ISO?

  • +3

    Finally pulled the trigger (A7iii user for last 5-6 years). Hopefully it'll be a decent upgrade.

    • +1

      My missus has one. It's a decent upgrade, nothing too mindblowing imo. Better AF but need decent lens (I was getting a lot more in focus shots with my a7iii+FE200600 vs her a7cii+Tamron 50-400 and she didn't have the centre focus properly set up), better menu system, less custom buttons, slight adjustment period for viewfinder and different flippy screen.

      • +1

        I'm actually pretty content with menu system in A7iii (have been using the thing for half a decade and know every setting back to front). Main upgrades I'm after are,

        1) Extra mega pixels (handy for cropping)
        2) Auto framing in video
        3) Extra IBIS (2-3 stops better than A7iii)
        4) Active image stabilisation (night & day difference)
        5) Better AF especially for third party lenses (with Tamron 28-200, success rate for me is about 8/10 for a sharp photo with A7iii. Apparently with A7cii it's almost 10/10)

        Biggest downgrades (for me) are,
        1) View finder
        2) Shutter sound (this may sound stupid but I love Sony A7iii shutter sound which is very satisfying)

        Let's see how that goes. Hopefully positives are good enough to ignore negatives.. lol

        • +1

          I forgot about a few of those! I still found the shutter sound very good. It also has a mode to close the shutter when off so it prevents some dust when changing lenses.

    • +1

      a TLDR for this camera is, if you want a work horse, do not get this : no dual card, big deal break for any jobs. no stick, bad screen, bad evf, 1 less custom button, small grip, 1.6 crop in video 4k60, micro HDMI(WTF sony, my nex5 10 year old camera has mini HDMI at least).

      i bought this camera just so i dont need to feel like i have to use it like a work horse, like a job, like i have to get value out of it everytime i use it. but now i get to decide what to do, it feels like a personal , travel easy going camera, the vibe completely changed compared to when i was using my A7iv. i paired it with a manual lens (simera 35f1.4) and i love it, because the above, i feel like i enjoy shooting more, where as before with my a7iv, i feel like i am doing jobs. i know it is probably just me, but i am surprised how it ends up worked out for me in a very unexpected way, almost like the way sony designed it to do.

  • order total AU $2,292.05 what am i doing wrong?? how do i get price down to $2092???

    • Cashback promotion mate.

    • thats after sonys cashback. follow the link and apply.

      • so do i buy the camera for 2292.05 from ebay and then go to the sony website and try get cashback? i never done this process before

        • +1

          yup

          • @FrugalSquid: thanks.. whats normal price on one of these cameras?

            • +3
            • +1

              @JURBA: more like 2500$, its been like that price in many asian country for a decent while now and finally we caught up.

    • +2

      How do you get it to $2,292.05?

      I see it AU $2,412.05 in the checkout - no option to stack discounts, apart from the discount code below…

      Discount SONYIMAGE5
      Applied: AU $126.95

      • Same for me

        • Type it in manually

          • @prodnus: Just tried, still SAVEBF doesn't stack

            • @AlxL: Works on my acc bit still tossing up to buy or not.

              • @prodnus: The code worked from different account - thanks

  • This is a great price, but if you are a bokeh fanatic like I am, just be careful that you can only shoot with electronic shutter or EFCS (Electronic Front-Curtain Shutter) only, you cannot shoot in full mechanical shutter mode (because there is no physical first curtain shutter) which can affect the appearance of your bokeh balls with faster shutter speeds.

    • +3

      While this is true, it's really niche area. I love Bokeh, just looking back my Bokeh fanatic photos I couldn't find a single photo I've taken above 1/2000S shutter speed.. Most of Bokeh photos are with low light /night light scenarios in which that high shutter speeds aren't going to work anyways. Unless you are a day time Bokeh shooter with 50 mm F1.2 lens as the go to lens (which is not vast majority of us), I won't worry about this particular scenario..

      • Yeah every situation is different, I had used Sony APSC before with EFCS, and always shot with 85mm wide open at 1.4 for portraits, and noticed cut off balls often with daytime/sunset time portraits, anything over 1/1000 I noticed, but maybe it's different/better with FF, not sure!

        • You won't see this difference in Bokeh balls unless it's 1/4000S or something crazy like that. Even then, you need to pixel peep to see it (there is an article about this phenomenon and the guy had to try hard and zoom in to Bokeh balls to articulate a meaningful difference). Casual shooter, even at (unlikely) very high shutter speeds, won't notice these differences.

    • +1

      My understanding was the opposite, that EFCS at very wide aperture and high shutter speed led to potentially distorted images (as per Sony manual). Can you provide a source?

        • As shown in this detailed video, if there is any issue, it's absolutely minimal.

          • @npnp: That's what I thought - the guy above is saying that the issue occurs with the mechanical shutter, but it actually occurs with the electronic shutter. Either way, it seems like a storm in a tea cup

  • Still unsure if I want to go X-T50 or A7CII. Good price though, but lenses are bulky.

    • +1

      This camera and Tamron 20-40 mm is what you want.. It's an extremely sharp (and light) lens, you can crop and still get nice photos equivalent to 80 mm. I doubt you can have a similar setup (in terms of sharpness vs lightness combination) let alone obvious full-frame benefits.

      • What's considered a good price for the tamron lens? Digidirect has them for 900 now.

    • +1

      Out of curiosity what's the light lenses that you were going to use on XT50? I might be able to provide you with an equivalent in Sony system just as light. I used to be a Fuji shooter and the difference in image quality between APSC vs full frame is huge, though I have to agree I kind of miss Fuji colours. But full frame benefits (especially low light, dynamic range, bokeh etc) are so overwhelmingly good in Sony, I just can't justify having Fuji even as my secondary camera as it's so limiting in many ways.

    • +1

      Get both.

      It’s uh.. good for the economy.

  • is this a good camera to use as for livestreaming on twitch for example?

    • +1

      If you look up 'A7cii AI-based auto framing', you will get this camera for that feature alone.

      • thanks for the tip ^^D i'll look it up now

    • you mean as webcam or IRL vlog camera? sadly, it is not good for either. video has 1.6crop for 4k60 althought you probably wont want 4k for either anyway.
      bad for webcam coz it is micro HDMI port, very very tiny, if you dont move your camera probably it is ok, thats how i am using it when i am at home. IRL vlog, i think the EV series is better suited for that.

  • +1

    Thanks OP!

  • I bought this for $2.5k last week :(((

  • what do you guys all use this camera for if you bought it? video? photography mainly?

    • +1

      Photography in my case (95% of time) but it's a very capable video camera as well and I am hoping to use it more for that (currently I rarely use A7iii for videos as it's terrible for handheld videos, apparently A7cii active stabilisation is pretty good)

    • +5

      eat dust

      • +1

        Seriously, I did nothing with my A7s.

        • 4 month in , i only took like 200 photos max lol

      • +1

        Not wrong. I paid about this price for an a6500 like 7.5 years ago. Love that camera
        , but it's mainly been used when travelling and other niche things so as you can imagine since the start of Covid Ive probably used it just a handful of times.

        I love photography, particularly landscape photography, but life just gets too busy to get it out and make some plans or if I do take it with me somewhere it becomes a hassle.

    • +1

      Nice little bump in dopamine

    • +1

      let me take a selfie

  • Is it cheaper to buy this on Sony’s eBay store or to use the 10% new customer discount on the official Sony website?

    • Same same but different but I bought the A6700 and called up Sony and they told me that the new customer discount doesnt apply to digital imaging products, price matched with JB tho in the recent A6700 post

  • All those experienced people out here, which camera and lens will be best for portrait photography indoor and outdoor?

    • +1

      either an 85mm for tighter portraits or 50mm for wider/environmental portraits. 50mm is a good general starting point for shooting people. add a 35mm later and you've got two good options for portrait. f1.4 is a good option, f1.2 is overkill unless you really want to smash out those backgrounds. any decent camera will work for portraits.

      • negligible difference between f1.2 and f1.4, only half a stop. could easily be overcome by moving just a little bit closer to the subject or ask your subject to come forward a little bit. Could probably save you thousands just knowing this concept.

    • +1

      If you are a beginner, you probably won't like 85 mm focal length. If you are not a beginner, you probably won't ask the question you did. My recommendation is 55 mm F1.8, one of Sony's most popular (& oldish) lenses. It's cheap (probably around $400-500 in used market) and Bokeh & colora are super nice for the price you pay. If your indoor is a tight area (i.e. small room) you probably will struggle with this focal length however (Sony 35 mm F1.8 or even wider Samyang 24 mm F1.8 would suit in that case but they are not really portrait lenses as such). F1.2/1.4 are really nice but you will be looking at couple of thousand dollars budget. Unless you're a pro who's absolutely nitpicky about Bokeh/subject seperation/image quality/rendering you probably won't need those expensive lenses IMHO.

    • +1

      for portrait photography, I second 85mm. I recently got the 85mm F1.4 DG DN for L-Mount, extremely happy with the bokeh. the FOV is really easy to compose with, a lot less clutter.

      i also recommend getting a 35mm - very versatile and good for environmental shots, they're also really good with portraits too - more context to work with and tells a story.

      35/85 is a really good combo btw, they really complement each other and offer two very unique shooting styles. 28/50 is too standard, 35/50 is too "close" to each other. 40mm is perfect for one lens set up, but they tend to be slow. idk if Sigma would ever redesign the 40mm DG DN.

  • Good price! But do I really need another camera just to have it collect dust? No.

    • yeah but you deserve it mate - did you consider that?

  • +1

    Is it a general limit of 1500AUD for paying with GC?

    • +2

      Yep.

    • +1

      From ebay t&c:
      No more than a total of AU $1,500 in Gift Cards may be redeemed per transaction, no more than a total of AU $2,000 in Gift Cards may be redeemed per day, and no more than a total of AU $5,000 in Gift Cards may be redeemed per calendar month. Further, you may only redeem a maximum of eight Gift Cards in any single transaction (and fewer if you are redeeming Gift Cards in combination with other redemption codes, such as coupons or vouchers).

  • +1

    Great price considering it's only been out for a bit over a year and it will be a while before a successor comes out. Been using the A7C for a while and love it. I probably didn't need to upgrade to the A7CII but it was too hard to say no at this price.

    • I just hate your comment….!!!!!! you are making me pull the trigger :P

      • hahaha. The OzBargain effect. Honestly the A7C was fine for me so I feel a bit guilty upgrading but there are a couple of things that I look forward to with the A7CII. Now I just need eBay to do another fee free promotion so I can sell my A7C without giving away 14%

        • I have been using the A6000 for a decade, I think it is time to upgrade to full frame (7C II), instead of the A6700

          • @boomramada: I had (and still have the A6000) and the A7C was a big upgrade. The A6700 sounds like a great camera too. I went FF so I could buy the 20-70mm as it eliminates my need for multiple lenses and the annoyance of swapping. But either way with the newer Sony cameras the battery life is way better than on the old A6000 and the autofocus is night and day difference. Plus the image quality I get these days is much improved - It's great to shoot something like ISO6400 and have a good image where as on the A6000 it would be terrible.

  • Damn, I jumped too early and ordered from the sony store already, not as good as a deal as this one :(
    What sony like with returns?

  • Ha anyone succeeded in buying the shopback GC's?

    The ID check keeps timing out/erroring before it even prompts me for a code, saying I need to call the bank but the bank says theres nothing at all showing up or restricted according to the bank.

    • Bought one GC today with no issue.

      • (profanity). Feels so bad to miss out on free 60 bucks

  • Silver is now OOS on eBay, but you can still back order them at the Sony store web site via the other deal. It is still good once you factor in the bonus battery and CR's 8% cash back.

  • Bought since Sunday, status still awaiting shipment. Anyone have experience bought from sony ebay store? how long you normally got your item? and is warranty process easy with Sony if anything wrong with the camera? do we need to send back or at local service centre ?

  • +1

    According to the terms of the cashback the purchase must not have been made under other discount. Are you sure that you'll get the cashback on this purchase?

    1. To be eligible to claim, individuals must purchase either outright or with retailer finance, an Eligible Product (as defined in clause 6) from a participating Sony Australia authorised dealer during the Purchase Period and the purchase must not have been made under any other offer or discount provided by a participating Sony Australia authorised dealer ("Qualifying Purchase").
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