Samsung's Gaslighting Game: How They Almost Cost Me $2000

Tldr: Bought a phone and tried to return it, but Samsung claimed they never receive it. Months of back-and-forth and a very frustrating process. A cautionary tale and an unlikely hero.

UPDATE: Samsung finally issued the refund! SADLY, I have another matter related to a Samsung fridge which they'd promised in writing to refund and then reneged on. I called them yesterday to give them an opportunity to make it right, they said they'd call back in 10min and of course never did. So I've raised a case with Fair Trading. Let me know if you're interested in hearing about this saga and I'll write another post

Reaches for popcornšŸæ. Last year, I bought the Samsung Galaxy s24 Ultra. A couple of days later, I found a deal where I could save about $400 on the same phone by applying an eVoucher. I contacted Samsung and asked if I they could apply the voucher to the phone that I'd bought. They said no, understandably.

Given that I haven't received the phone yet, I asked if I could request a refund under their 14 day change of mind policy and buy another phone using the eVoucher and they said that's fine, but that I couldn't commence the refund process until I receive the phone from them which again is understandable.

I contacted them as soon as I received the phone and initiated the returns process. To be eligible for the 14 day change of mind policy, the phone must be unopened. They asked me to take photos of the boxes showing them unopened after which they sent me an Australia post return shipping label.

I took the phone to the post office and took a photo of the tracking receipt as well as the package on their weighscale (showing the weight).

Two weeks later, I got an email saying partial return initiated, and it was for the case to which I thought was odd but figured they'd fix it. Then they refunded me the $4.57 for the case, but there was no mention of the phone.

I inquired and they said what about the phone, they said no worries we'll fix it. Over the coming weeks and months I'd follow up with them and they said that they're looking into it and that some would get back to me. At no point, did they say they hadn't received the phone?

After 6 months of back and forth, I went on holidays and forgot about it. 6 months later, I remembered and decided to follow up yet again. I was told they'll look into it. I told them but I've been told this story before and it hasn't happened. They assured me that it would be escalated.

Enter the escalation manager. I told him what happened and that I've been chasing this for months and I haven't been getting any responses. He asked why'd it take so long and I said that Ive already communicated the issue so as far as I'm concerned, the ball is in your court and you should refund me

He asked for proof that I actually sent the phone, because they'd only received a case. I sent him a photo of the tracking receipt and the package on the Aust Post weighscale.
He came back and said that proof is insufficient . I asked what constitutes proof as he refused to answer. I told him that I'd followedthe process outlined by their returns policy so what more do you want. In fact, I've gone above and beyond by sending the tracking receipt and weighscale photo.

I offered to try to get the CCTV footage but he just responded that I'm welcome to do so but that it won't change his decision. What a $#!7@r$! I said there's no point me continuing the conversation if you're decision is final, regardless of any evidence that I present.

He was essentially calling me a liar, refusing me the refund even after I followed their process to a tea.

I said that at this point, I will consider the phone as stolen because I returned it to you, and you claim you never received it.

I further said that the moment it leaves my possession, it becomes Samsung's responsibility. They paid for the return shipping, not me. They dictated the return method and process by providing a prepaid return shipping label, so the moment I handed over to Australia post, as far as I'm concerned that becomes your responsibility. He wouldn't hear it or budge in his stance.

I asked him to assist in confirming the IMEI #, the insurance details (if any) of the return and also to provide any proof where I deviated from their returns process. He replied with the IMEI, said there's no insurance and ignored my third point.

I told him I'd report the phone as stolen and complete a police report.

I completed a police report and then contacted my telco to report the phone as stolen. They advised they can't do anything with a new phone because the phone has to have been used on their network to report it. I contacted the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Authority (AMTA) and this is where things started to move.

AMTA said there business rules don't allow them to take stolen reports from the public but that they could take a report from Samsung. If Samsung verify that I own the phone and that they havenā€™t received it back, AMTA could take action.

Not even 24hrs later, AMTA said that Samsung advised them not to action because THEY FOUND THE PHONE and will be in contact with me shortly.

I was happy and annoyed. Why is it they only found it when I involved AMTA?

I received a call from the Escalations manager who said we've located the phone and "Sorry for any inconvenience caused". Such a clinical and uncaring response. I wish he just said sorry we stuffed you around, my bad!

Throughout this ordeal, he was very unhelpful and seemingly very uncaring. He would selectivity answer my questions but avoiding anything that would indicate a failure in their process and offered no solutions to help.

He couldn't answer my question about what proof would be sufficient for me to get a refund. He couldn't even show where Id deviated from their returns policy.

This raises questions about what proof is required beyond a tracking # and liability; who's actually responsible.

I would have loved some sort of explanation, some sort of humanity would have been really appreciated, but there was no empathy shown or any attempt to see it from my perspective.

He offered me $100 eftpos card for the inconvenience. I said more impotence that that, I hope you learn from this so that it doesn't happen again.

Bottom line, you said you didn't have the phone when you actually did; by which you were effectively calling me a liar.

I theorised that the phone, was either stolen by Aust Post the receiving person at Samsung or the most likely scenario, they received it but due to the partial return being raised against the case instead of the phone and case, it wasnt received correctly.

By reporting the phone as stolen, some poor sod would have found their brand new phone they bought from Samsung would have stopped working, thus inconveniencing yet another party. I'm so glad it didn't come to that.

Special mention to the hero of the story…AMTA. They responded quickly and it only took a couple of emails for them to resolve my issue with Samsung.

I wanted to share this story as a cautionary tale of returning something to Samsung so that you don't go through what I did. Perhaps return it in person or record the whole boxing process whilst at the post office with witness statements

Otherwise you could be out of pocket $2000 because of Samsung's error.

Should I have taken a different approach? Who do you think should be responsible for the phone once returned at Post Office? Welcome your thoughts and comments :)

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  • 51
    Australia Post responsible for phone till Samsung confirm receipt
  • 27
    Samsung responsible for phone once returned at Post Office
  • 9
    Consumer responsible for phone till Samsung confirm receipt
  • 8
    It's complicated

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Comments

  • +16

    The article narrates the frustrating experience of a user who attempted to return a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra phone after buying it for a better deal. Initially, Samsung agreed to process a refund under their change of mind policy, provided the phone remained unopened. After sending the phone back with proper documentation, the user faced months of follow-up with Samsung, who claimed they only received a case and not the phone. Despite the user providing tracking and photographic evidence of the return, Samsung's escalation manager refused to accept it as sufficient proof.

    Frustrated, the user eventually filed a police report, leading to the involvement of the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Authority (AMTA). Remarkably, AMTA was able to prompt Samsung to locate the phone soon after. The user expressed disappointment at the lack of empathy and accountability from Samsung throughout the ordeal, highlighting the importance of proper return processes. The article serves as a cautionary tale for others considering returning products to Samsung, suggesting thorough documentation and potentially in-person returns to avoid similar issues.

    • +4

      A userā€™s attempt to return a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra faced delays when Samsung claimed only the case was received, despite proof of return. After months of follow-ups and a police report, the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Authority helped locate the phone. The user warns others to document returns carefully and consider in-person options due to Samsungā€™s poor accountability.

      • +1

        Too short. Expanding from just the above paragraph:

        When tamerg decided to return his brand-new Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, he expected the process to be quick and straightforward. He carefully packed the phone in its original box, placed it within a padded shipping case, and dropped it off at his local post office. The return label, tracking number, and a few snapshots were his insurance for a hassle-free return. He trusted that the process would go smoothly. Little did he know it would lead to a months-long saga.

        After waiting two weeks with no confirmation, tamerg checked the tracking details, which showed that the package had been received by Samsungā€™s return department. However, he was shocked to get an email shortly after saying that Samsung had only received an empty phone case. They claimed the phone itself was missing. Certain that heā€™d shipped the phone in its entirety, tamerg contacted Samsungā€™s support line. He presented proof of postage, photographs of the boxed-up phone, and screenshots of the tracking information. Unfortunately, every attempt to escalate the issue seemed to meet a bureaucratic brick wall. Samsungā€™s representatives assured him they were ā€œlooking into it,ā€ but weeks turned into months with no updates.

        As frustration mounted, tamerg filed a police report for the missing phone, hoping this would pressure Samsung into action. He posted on online forums and found that other users had faced similar challenges with returns. It became clear to him that Samsungā€™s return process lacked accountability and that his case might only be resolved with outside help. Finally, he reached out to the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Authority (AMTA). Within days, the AMTA managed to trace the device, which had apparently been misprocessed at Samsungā€™s warehouse.

        Relieved to have the ordeal behind him, tamerg finally received his refund. Now, he urges others to take extreme care when returning high-value items, suggesting they document every step and, if possible, choose an in-person return option. ā€œSamsung made it so difficult to be heard,ā€ he cautions. ā€œIf you can, go directly to the storeā€”you'll thank yourself later.ā€

        tl;dr: Samsung delayed refund, claimed empty case received; user warns document returns.

        • Even better! šŸ˜Ž

    • +1

      Thanks @Hybroid! I did start with a TLDR (summary) but your AI summary is a nice touch. If someone can generate the mandatory MS Paint image, I'll be impressed šŸ˜€

    • Thank fuc we have ai

  • It starts with the TLDR šŸ™‚

    • +5

      And it is literally the worst and shittiest TL;DR that was ever devisedā€¦ it was the click bait version of a TL;DRā€¦

      ā€œUser sends back unopened Samsung phone and Samsung deny it arrived, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that it was sent. Eventually escalated to a police report and intervention by ATMA who helped secure the phone and a refundā€ā€¦

      THAT is a what a TL;DR looks like. Yours had NONE of the outcome and users are still forced to read your 18 page manifesto to see if you got a resolution and who helped and howā€¦

      • +2

        I agree that's a much better TL;DR. It's my first topic so thanks for the feedback šŸ™

        • Not even 24hrs later, AMTA said that Samsung advised them not to action because THEY FOUND THE PHONE and will be in contact with me shortly.

          I said more impotence that that, I hope you learn from this so that it doesn't happen again.

          tldr such a good post OP these two lines will stay in my mind for many months into the future thank you.

  • +6

    6 months!!

    I wouldn't have waited that long before following up a $5 refund.

    • I usually am that guy but they wore me down with all the bck and forth bs

  • +2

    …..and that was how I met your mother.

    • Does thay make me Barney? šŸ¤”

  • -5

    All this to save $400. FFS

    • +14

      Did you forget what website you're on?

    • For $400 and a return label, i'd do it. Might even try and get some gift cards and a cashback involved somehow for extra fun.

    • +2

      People here will sell their family for a $1 cashback offer.

    • +1

      In the the land of 1% cashbacks and OzRRP deals, saving $400 through a simple process should have been par for the course.

  • +2

    I wouldn't have taken the phone upon delivery. Don't sign for it then you never received it. Eventually it gets returned to the sender.

    • Great idea! Only problem is the delivery status has to change to delivered in order to initiate their returns process.

      • +1

        In theory you wouldn't need a returns process because you would be refunded automatically when it's returned to sender.

        • Yep, any deliver you have to sign for, you'll get a full refund automatically if you refuse delivery.

          It's often much better than a manual return, as you won't typically be charged restocking fees either (at places that do that).

  • +1

    Should have done the JB Hifi deal

    • What was that one about?

  • +6

    mate, if I were you I just put a chargeback request and Samsung will very quickly jump on board, even faster than AMTA and you don't have to spend elbow grease writing a long essay.

    • Another good idea, thanks for thr tip šŸ‘

    • Is there a time limit on raising charge back requests?

      • +1

        I think it's around 45 days from the transaction date but according to CBAs Disputing a transaction process a dispute cannot be raised for refunds

        • Based on that exclusion list I recommend you to ditch cba and go with someone else. I had a dispute with Netflix Nigeria taking my money and cancelling my subscription midway and nab had no issue returning me the money. Cba according to the above wouldn't.

  • +17

    Typical Samsung service

    • Personal experience?

  • +4

    Typical Samsung - would recommend avoiding buying from the directly.

    I've had issues with both purchases from their store. The store has been extremely slow for me when i've attempted to use it.

    • First purchase signed me out and didn't apply loyalty bonuses due to my login ending . Business didn't care despite providing an email stating that i'd logged in. No matter - not a big deal
    • Second purchase showed the correct total until after purchase where the price suddenly changed. I cancelled the order but Samsung would not respond to requests for a new voucher.

    Samsung looks to be #1 most complained about business to NSW fair trading again this year -

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/departments-and-agencies/fair-tradingā€¦

    • +1

      Their members area is great fun as well.

      After my issue, I tried various channels to get another voucher. Despite promises from live chat, reps on social media, members forums, no one ever got back to me.

      One stand out story was a customer who was sent out a soundbar that another customer had returned with a letter from the original customer.

      And of course, Samsung trying to avoid a repair on a TV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWlACuhqNg

    • Wow, I didnā€™t know that. That was going yo be my next step to complain to Fair Trading and submit my 'essay' but when they decided to refund, I thought Id update it and share with the OzB community.

  • +9

    Samsung are literally the worst, we had to take them to ACAT over a faulty fridge as they just refused to provide a replacement. They ignored all correspondence from ACAT so they found in our favour, then they also ignored the ACAT finding and didn't pay up until the absolute 11th hour. Completely hopeless and unhelpful, just absolutely useless all around. Morale there must be abysmal.

    • +3

      Wow this is quite timely as a have a second matter with Samsung which is exactly this exact scenario! If they don't get back to me by the end of the week, ill post a second story here.

      Watch this space!

    • Fridge, dishwashers and Aircon avoid Samsung. First hand experience from family members.

      Folding phones, tablets, big displays OK!

    • …and you will probably go and buy their crap again in the near future, and once more be screwed over.

      Some people never learn, Samsung fans are very $#@&$#@

      • my new fridge most definitely is not Samsung

  • Thanks for letting us know.

    • You're welcome. Until next time.

      • Samsung are literally the worst, we had to take them to ACAT over a faulty fridge
        Next time may be sooner than I'd like as I have a similar scenario that @larndis posted.

    • You're most welcome šŸ™‚

  • +1

    Why is it they only found it when I involved AMTA?

    Poor innocent.
    Corporations are not our friends. They will only do what's required by law, and usually only if their hand is forced. You must know your rights and assert them aggressively. You actually made several errors here which allowed an easy steamrolling in the first few months? LOL okay.

    AMTA was okay, the TIO would have been better. I'd have engaged them much sooner too.

    • -1

      <throwaway comment>
      A lot of people believe Mr Musk is their friend

      • Nah you're good. I was projecting my own experience re TIO. Scratch that for OP's case.
        The consumer affairs in their state would also be a decent kick for the S (shoutout @trollbender) bully.

      • A lot of people believe Mr Musk is their friend

        Care to elaborate? I must be missing somethingšŸ¤£

    • Agree, I should have lodged a formal complaint in the first couple of months. Didn't think of contacting TIO, thanks for the tipšŸ™

    • I suspect because the IMEI is known so as long as it is connected to the network in Australia they will be able to trace it. Whoever hiding the phone is aware of such function.

  • Caveat emptor when it comes to Samsung products and processes

    • Agreed! and CYA (cover your @r$e)

  • Standard procedures for Samsung. Their customer service mission is to inconvenience the customer as much as possible, until the customer gives up.

    It's even worse with faulty products.

    Samsung are up there with Panasonic, competing for delivering the worst possible after sales experience for their mainstream customers.

  • far out, I can't read that much

  • Stick to iPhone next time. Iā€™m still using my iPhone 12.

  • I had a similar bad experience a couple of years ago buying a phone direct from Samsung's website. I bought a phone for my mum for Christmas but she already bought a new one, so as soon as I received it, I initiated the return. Firstly I found it really difficult to find the instructions on how to return it to Samsung (and customer service kept sending me around in circles) but once I eventually figured it out and send it back as per their instructions, I didn't hear a word from them. I followed up with them multiple times over 2 months ish and they kept claiming they hadn't received the phone yet. I eventually just launched a dispute with PayPal and got my money back immediately.

  • Similar story but with a bezel for The Frame TV. Initiated return process (having actually rejected delivery because they sent me a 43" bezel for my 65" TV) but about 3 months later nothing. I gave up on Samsung and initiated a refund via Paypal. In that same week i got a refund credit notice from Samsung which i automatically thought was the end of the story. 15 months later, i get contacted by Commercial Credit Services (the mob that Samsung uses to chase debt) accusing me of owing them money… the amount they refunded me. After more back and forth with CCS and Samsung (who at one point put in writing that nothing was owed), i find that they had apparently refunded me twice. I say apparently because i had closed my bank account over 12 months ago and had no idea if it was correct. To make them go away, i paid them the amount they were chasing. Yes, thats how much they annoyed me that i would pay them to F off.

  • +1

    My Samsung robot vacuum is a piece of shit. My Samsung ssd had an issue that caused it to perform slowly and their firmware update didnā€™t fix it. My Samsung fridge has leaked twice and warped the floor.
    Theyā€™re not getting another cent from me. Utter garbage.

    • I've noticed a lot of Samsung TV's on Gumtree freebies as well over the years because of screen issues like black lines.

  • After many moon cycles on this planet, i have come to learn that most customer service agents really, really hate their jobs and just dont give a shit. Your escalation manager gets an ego trip by denying your claim, even though it does nothing financially or otherwise for them to just approve it.

  • You should've asked for at least $2000 in compensation/damages from Samsung via AMTA for the unnecessary trouble and the escalation manager lying through his teeth PLUS the interest you would've earned had they processed the refund on time. At least I would've..

  • -1

    "He offered me $100 eftpos card for the inconvenience. I said more impotence that that, I hope you learn from this so that it doesn't happen again."

    So did you not take the $100Āæ

    • I accepted it but they have yet to send it to me. I just followed up asking when I can expect to receive it :(

      • -1

        Im guessing another 6 months until you contact ACCC.

  • Classic Samsung Australia - Gotta keep that #1 spot on fair trade complaints. I would have just charged it back.

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