One of the cheapest brand new SUVs available with good features for the price and more interior space than other Chinese competitors at this price point.
$3000 saving off regular prices.
$495 for metallic Black, Red, Blue or Grey paint.
Haval Jolion: Premium from $23,990, Lux from $26,990 Driveaway @ GWM
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For anyone interested got the Jolion Ultra hybrid model with premium paint and all accessories for 37k driveaway
i watched a comparison review of the 2 year old model vs this. Seems like it was already good for the money, they even improved and fixed the issues the reviewer had on the older model. sounds like a company that moves fast and listens. 7 year warranty, right around when i switch carswent in for the Luxury Petrol. but the hybrid upgrade was worth it. The ultra upgrade for 6k was not. for 3k cheaper it was
bigger screen, heads up display, nicer plastics, sportier styling, sunroof, wireless charging and electric seats for the passenger.
basically if ur on a budget the luxury midrange is extreme value for money and does everything already.i know people harp on about japanese brands etc (ive owned half a dozen of them)
but this car is serious value for money. i dont buy cars worrying about depreciation, i buy them based on upfront cost and comfort
paid cash, no nonsense with the sales guy and he returned the favour. gifted it to mum. i saved thousands compared to other brands that give you less. Everyone walked away a winner
enjoy your camrys
Anyone knows what's the real figure?
Claimed fuel consumption is 8.1L/100km
Wow that is the same fuel consumption as my 1058kg mx5
Shouldn't you have phrased that as "wow my Mx5 has the same fuel consumption as this" ?
my mileage (the 2022 Ultra Hybrid version) is about 17km/L (or 5.88L/100km), doing mostly highway driving
I use it to drive to work, so it's a "fiddle about with random backstreets, then on the WestGate" for about 20mins each-way
figure is "average over 18 months"listed economy for my version is 5.1L/100km, so YMMV on how accurate that is for you
fiddle about with random backstreets, then on the WestGate" for about 20mins each-way
You must not actually go over the bridge lol
Hops on at Millers Rd and exits at Melbourne/Williamstown Rd.
I get on at PowerSt/KingsWay and then get off at Millers/Williamstown Rd
as it's against the traffic, then it doesn't take that long
I had to choose between Yaris Cross Hybrid and Jolion Hybrid. I chose Yaris. Last run was 738kms (still had 130km left) and full tank took 28L so ended up 26km/lit.
km/L, absolutely bonkers way to measure efficiency.
(you mean 3.8 L/100km)
@coxymla: Why? There’s nothing bonkers about it. He worked it out himself which is great, he knows how much travel he can do per litre and who cares whether it uses the standard formula that you like. So no he doesn’t mean that, he already told you what he means which is 26km/lit.
I thought you meant 26km were LIT! I assumed you were very happy when you drove those 26km.
That's about the same figure I get on my Accord hybrid.
Nice man. Did you pay 65k for your accord hybrid? Seems high for a 'cheap' sedan.
I have a 2021 petrol Jolion that has 90k on the clock and my real world fuel consumption is 7.7L/100km with a throttle controller
@Kremleen I'm thinking to buy this car, so far how is your experience with the car?
Not sure why there is so much discussion on the hybrid version when the special is for the petrol. Getting about 8.8l/100km with city driving. About 7 on the highway.
Not too bad but nothing great.
Wow, my 2014 Ford Mondeo Diesel Wagon only uses 7.5L/100km of urban driving. I thought new cars were better with fuel consumption.
there can be quite a difference in price between dirty diesel and sparkly clean petrol. ahem
People who trash this are probably the same who trash EVs and sook about their depreciation.
but a simple look on marketplace and you'll see 2020/2019 Camry hybrids that were 42K new just 3-4 years ago are now 24K with 120,000 on them… over a massive 40% depreciation in such a small timeframe..
These Haval's are cheap, 7-year warranty and you get about 650KM on a tank… all for 10K less than a yaris with hubcaps lol
yaris with hubcaps lol
Yeah but those hubcaps are premium Japanese engineering I hear
People who complain about depreciation should not buy new cars. Period.
Especially with so many options these days.
Literally 1000s once you leave the door then drops like a rock each year after.
My 13k 2012 car I bought that was 5 years old has only depreciated less than $1 a day since.
Although, unfortunately for the original owner it did depreciate over 50% in 5 years but that's not my problem.
Now who is going to spend 24k on a 4 yo hybrid when you can get a new one for 30k?
Unless it's a landcruiser 😀
Or a Porsche.
@Korban Dallas: nah, Porsches depreciate like crazy. who told you they hold their value lol.
Unless it's something special, and it has to be a 911 like GT3, GT3 RS, S/T etc..
putting this out there just in case some rich mf go and buy a base Macan or Cayenne with sports chrono pack and painted wheels thinking it's going to appreciate
A lot of people have been led into a false sense of entitlement over Covid of cars being "investments" and appreciating assets. Look at all the sooking and whinging over Tesla's recent discounting. The market is slowly reverting to cars being depreciable assets, and some people will be brought into that reality kicking and screaming.
Porche holds value ok. :P
what car you bought?
CU2 ACCORD EURO
The same people complain about Chinese vehicles. This one will be a confusing one for them.
40% over 4 years is pretty good. Havel will have 40% in one year. Enjoy that.
Truth hurts.
Please show me a haval thats depreciated 40% in 1 year
Havel will have 40% in one year.
We're in 2024, almost 2025
That links for a 2022 car, so over 2 years.As it is theres no evidence on carsales of this level of depreciation either.
@Brick Tamland: Lol touché, but this is a special case as they're dropping the price through the floor to capture market share, but hurting the resale value of early buyers.
I get to benefit from the opposite somehow.. I can sell my 2019 Kia Seltos today for almost the exact same price as I bought it. No way is a 2024 Seltos Sport worth $39,000 but I'm not complaining..
Where are the $15,000 Havals with 1 years use?
You would get this for $15k pretty easy
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-gwm-haval-joli…
@Brick Tamland: No dealer will take $5k off a car still under warranty…
The fact that theres so few available second hand in australia is probably s good thing.
Unlike MG…
@Brick Tamland: How about we make a bet? I’ll give you 16K, and you help me buy this car. -Easily get it for 15K, and you can keep the difference, not a bad job, isn't it?
@ZeroEclipse: Ok I will private message my bank details to you. I will start looking into it. May take a while. Don’t call me. I will call you.
@Brick Tamland: No worries, just let me know when you get the price, $16k will be sent to your nominated bank account when I pick up the car
@Brick Tamland: No, you're just unwilling to admit how silly this comment is. Anyone would kick out someone who offers 15K on something priced at 20K.
@Brick Tamland: Alright, I knew I shouldn’t waste my time talking to a fool. Let me summarize: You claimed you could buy a $23,990, one-year-old car for half price. When others told you couldn’t, you posted a link showing it priced at $20,000 (in case you missed math class, half of $23,990 is $11,995), then claimed you could negotiate it down to $15,000 (still above $11,995, and an offer that would get you kicked out of any dealership). I really hate wasting time on An Uneducated fool without even an elementary education—let’s leave it at that.
People buying in the low end of the spectrum aren't worried about trading up after a year. The only reason they'd want an upgrade is because it's run out of caped price seevicing
Wasn't that should be 50% ? Half-val…
2019 Toyota Camry Ascent Auto - https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2019-toyota-camry-as…
New 30,590* + on road costs
Fuel cost per 1000km - $82.00 (fuel cost for 100,000km over 5 years = $8,200)
Private Price Guide - $23,350 - $26,050
Trade in - $19,050 - $21,700
Average Min trade, Max private - $22,550Median depreciation ~$8,040
Cost over 5 years (depreciation + 100,000km fuel) - $16,240
Total outlay (purchase price + 100k fuel) - $38,796
2019 Haval H2 City Auto 2WD - https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2019-haval-h2-city-a…
New 20,990* + on road costs
Fuel cost per 1000km - $176.00 (fuel cost for 100,000km over 5 years = $17,600)
Private Price Guide - $11,100 - $12,750
Trade in - $7,950 - $9,650
Average Min trade, Max private - $10,350Median depreciation ~$10,640
Cost over 5 years (depreciation + 100,000km fuel) - $28,240
Total outlay (purchase price + 100k fuel) - $38,590
- Why buy the Haval when it uses twice as much fuel and costs almost the same after 100,000km of driving?
- After 5 years, you've spent the same amount of money, but have a possession worth $10,000 less.
- The longer you keep the Haval, the more expensive it is compared to the Camry.
- The 7 year warranty is irrelevant. The longer you keep the car, the more it costs you compared to a Camry. As soon as the Haval is 7 years old it's like a phone that doesn't get any security updates and becomes almost worthless.
In your example, the total outlay over 5 years is the same.
If you have a limit of $30K to buy a new car, then the Camry makes sense financially.
If you have a limit of $20K to buy a new car, then the Haval makes sense financiallyIf you had to borrow $10K to stretch for the Camry, then that's going to affect the calculations.
Since you are comparing apples (SUV) with pears (Sedan), you might as well include an orange in your comparison. MG4 $32990 drive away.
If you can charge at 8 cents (either from solar or with an EV tariff), you spend only ~$1200 on "fuel" for 100,000km. Without actually looking into it I assume the service costs (only 2 services in 5 years) are lower too.
That very much outweighs the added depreciation. If there is any added depreciation, which remains to be seen. The car comes with 10 years warranty, and given the ongoing fuel savings, getting one for $15k in 5 years, with still 5 years warranty, would be a steal.
yep this guy gets it
Okay, the closest Toyota to a Haval H2 is something like a Rav4.
Surprisingly it is $100 better value than a camry after depreciation over 5 years and 100k km
If you include servicing costs, the Camry and Rav4 would be even better with their 15k interval compared to the Haval 10k intervalAdded a 2020 MG ZS EV, and 2023 MG MG4 Excite 51 for fun.
Interesting if you bought a 2023 MG4 at 2024 reduced prices you would be $16 better off (deprecation and fuel/electricity) after one year and 20k km, compared to driving a 2019 Rav4 Hybrid for 5 years and 100k km.
2019 Toyota RAV4 GX Auto 2WD - https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2019-toyota-rav4-gx-…
New $35,490* + on road costs
Fuel cost per 1000km - $81.00 (fuel cost for 100,000km over 5 years = $8,100)
Private Price Guide - $24,050 - $27,050
Trade in - $27,900 - $30,850
Average Min trade, Max private - $27,450Median depreciation ~$8,040
Cost over 5 years (depreciation + 100,000km fuel) - $16,140
2020 MG ZS EV Essence Auto MY21 - https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2020-mg-zs-ev-essenc…
New $44,990
Fuel cost per 1000km (18.6kWh/100km = 186kw) - $37.00 (electricity cost for 80,000km over 4 years = $2,960) – assuming ~20c/kw
Trade in $14,050 - $16,250
Private $18,500 - $20,650
Average Min trade, Max private $17,350
Service interval 20,000kmMedian depreciation $27,640.00
Cost over 4 years (depreciation + 80,000km fuel) - $31,340
2023 MG MG4 Excite 51 Auto MY23 - https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2023-mg-mg4-excite-5…
New $37,990 (used listed 2024 price - in 2023 they were $39,990)
Fuel cost per 1000km (18.4kWh/100km = 184kw) - $36.80 (electricity cost for 20,000km over 1 year = $736) – assuming ~20c/kw
Trade in $18,800 - $21,300
Private $23,950 - $26,400
Average Min trade, Max private $22,600
Service interval 40,000kmMedian depreciation $15,390.00
Cost over 1 year (depreciation + 20,000km fuel) - $16,126
@frugalferret: The RAV4 example is a bit unfair, that model specifically saw massive appreciation (and price-hikes for new models) over COVID.
You are extremely unlikely to see such little depreciation over the next 5 years. That might be true for other models too, but regardless this kind of calculation can be misleading.
@nigel deborah: That's why i chose a stock standard Camry for the first comparison. But comparing a H2 to a Camry wasn't fair because Sedan vs SUV.
The whole point is that upfront cheap isn't always long term cheap. If you have the funds, buy best high volume, quality car, that suits your needs that you can afford. It will usually be cheaper in the long run.
Buying a cheap EV because you thing the fuel saving will save money in the long term is often not the case. We are getting closer to EV's being cheaper to own, but we're not there yet.
@frugalferret: I have bought a second hand Leaf 9 years ago and it's been the best purchase I have made, depreciated from 58k to 22k in 2.5 years (prior to purchase), don't even bother with servicing, and charge at home or anywhere there's free charging (solar is handy) . It's saved the price of the car in those 9 years, and it still runs like a Swiss watch, albeit with a range of about 80km (still double the daily average commute if something I heard today is to be believed). Resale doesn't matter because I am keeping it, at least for a few more years, maybe longer if I replace the battery.
There is no petrol car that is going to give you that value. Looking forward to replicating that with my new car
@Jackson: And if the battery dies for the purpose of the car, it has a second life for home storage.
@DoctorArd: And the equation is only going to get better with Chris Bowen's announcement the other day that there will be govt regulated vehicle to grid/home standard, allowing solar banking and taking advantage of time of day electricity trading
@frugalferret: Most recent depreciation calculations are completely warped due to the Covid price anomalies with traditional car makers.
Future prices are very unlikely to follow the same patterns@frugalferret: The place to look for current MG EV prices is under "Value Offers".
MG4 51: $32,990 drive away nation wide.
ZS EV Excite: $8000 factory bonus. Brings it down to $33,800 (ACT) to $35,700 (WA).
Those price drops may be bad for previous buyers, because of course they are reflected in current second hand prices, but if you buy now, you have a very different base price to start your calculation from.
And very few people pay 20 cents for charging. I "pay" 7 cents by not getting the feed in tariff, and many others get 8 cent EV tariff either in the middle of the day or wee hours of the night.
@frugalferret: walked into haval dealer dropped my magnum dong on the table and guy sold me Haval Jolion Ultra Hybrid with paint and accessories included for $37k driveaway
spent 15 mins testing the car 10 min chat with the guy. out the door after deposit paid
1000km range with hybrid purpoted. 800km range real world. twice the range same tank
good enough for mum
if given 10 years warranty, no others could beat
You should redo this calculation for 2024 and compare with a car in the same category. Toyota prices went up significantly and Jolion is slightly more fuel efficient.
2019 will never come back.
You cannot buy a new car in 2019 now.
Today:
Camry $45,000
Jolion $23,990
The calculation should start here.
Not sure if the calculation accounts for 2019 in today's dollars, factor of 1.1755 (from a quick google, could be off)
Camry 2019 $45,000 = in 2024 $52,897
Jolion $23,990 = in 2024 $26,808
if someone is doing 30,000 kms a year, then they are getting value for a hybrid, i do 12,000 kms a year lol.
Someone doing 30,000 kms per year is likely doing a lot of highway driving (unless you Uber). Hybrids are not efficient on highway cycle.
This is not true for Hybrids in Toyota. Hybrid has a better economy in full highway driving.
@Indomietable: Just hired a hybrid Toyota Kluger and drove it to Melbourne from ACT (last weekend).
I can 100% tell you the hybrid DID NOT kick in during hwy use at all (I lie… only the very rare step declines).
Hybrids are great for low speed stop start around town (of which I did prior to departing). On Hwy use (110km/h) they do NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH. I still went through a tank and a half and noticed no difference to a prior rental non-hybrid Kluger I did the trip in earlier in the year.
I was actually quite disappointed on how often the EV function kicked in. Even when you 'force it' onto EV mode only, it'll switch itself over the ICE over 60km/h no matter how gentle you accelerate. I'd never buy a hybrid if I wasn't in stop start peak hour traffic every day.
@UFO: Yeah, Toyota hybrid system is like this. It can sometimes kick in during highway if you are coasting.
@UFO: Did you change the display to show the Hybrid system (engine/battery/electric motors) or were you just measuring off of when it went into EV Mode?
If the latter, thats not how the hybrids really work. They mostly save fuel by supplementing the petrol engine when under load and the start/stop function. The EV Mode is a bit of a gimmick and hardly comes on in the larger hybrids unless youre really babying them.
the hybrid DID NOT kick in during hwy use at all
Not many people know about the engines on Toyota hybrids. They are different than normal engine where they use Atkinson cycle and not the normal Otto cycle.The most efficient band for Atkinson cycle engine is at it high cruising RPMs. The motor and battery system act as auxiliary system to compensate the drawback of this engine.
I still went through a tank and a half and noticed no difference to a prior rental non-hybrid Kluger I did the trip in earlier in the year.
This doesn't tell you anything. How big was the tank?
@Indomietable: The actual tank size is irrelevant, as both the hybrid and non-hybrid versions have the same size.
My comparison between the two was valid because I did virtually the same trip in km in two Klugers.
I have a hybrid (Accord) and my fuel economy doesn't change whether I do highway or city. In fact sometimes it's even slightly better on the highway (maybe 0.1-0.2L)
@Mondorock: Mondo, That makes no scientific sense but this day and age I accept that each person seems to live in their own reality and physics.
with 120,000 on them… over a massive 40% depreciation in such a small timeframe..
It's not timeframe, it's use. 120,000km in 3-4 years is excessive. Of course no-one is paying top dollar for a machine that is clearly well used.
These Haval's are cheap
What is TCO…
all for 10K less than a yaris
Or if TCO is your primary concern, buy a near new Yaris for $18k and sell it 4 years later for $15k. Have you ever heard of anyone buying a second hand Haval? You buy that you are stuck with it for life.
Huh? Camry hybrids were in no way 42k back in 2019/20. 2020 price for Ascent hybrid was $31,790.
I say this as someone who bought an MG vehicle a month ago. You can't compare any car to a Toyota. There is a reason why they are expensive and hard to get. You don't get all the bells and whistles but they're low maintenance and don't give you any headaches for the next 20 years of owning them.
Hopefully my MG will be the same but chances are it won't be. But I took the risk because I wanted an EV and it looked like the best value at the time
@ Mortgagetightass
"over a massive 40% depreciation in such a small timeframe.."
if 10% depreciation per year (including the first year) is massive depreciation, I'd like to know what you're comparing it to…. gold bars?
Literally beat it to me in 22 sec…
Saw the news from CE.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-gwm-haval-jolion-…